Are fram oil filters that bad? Are the nicer ones ok to use?

usually its best to stick with a name brand like wix or puralator.
fram a shit, but i only buy k&n because of the nut.
i would still use them if they were bad

>>14069984
Friend swears by them but I found a shaving from the threads inside an orange can when I was in high school. Never touched a fram product since.

>>14069984
Yes, they're trash

Don't listen to the memes. Fram is the most advanced and best engineered engine oil filter on the market today in most of the USA.

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>>14069984

FRAM is shit.

>>14070069
Also note, the filters that are missing that stamped metal piece at the top actually have a spring inside. Don't know why the guy who took this picture left out the coil springs from the Napa (Wix) filters

>>14070069
>no MANN filter

Pathetic

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>>14070087
if my car has this kind i should just get the cheapest one right?

>>14070108
No, moron

>>14070112
why theres no drainback shit to worry about
its just media

you need to elaborate

Wix / Mobil 1 / K&N master race

Fram is complete shit

>not ordering oem oil filters and crush washers

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my oil filter for my ka24e is in a tough spot that i can't visually see or get a wrench into easily and i like the ez-grip to hand tighten it, saves me the trouble of having to plasti-dip it. it's not the best filter, but it's not the worst.

why do i keep seeing million pound exotics and race cars with these shits fitted?

>>14070408
they rack up so little miles that it doesnt matter

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>>14069984

FRAM filters look like something MacGyver made in a pinch.

Fram is the shittiest filter you can buy.

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>>14070142
And definitely don't get a Fram Ultra cartridge filter either


t; shitty cartridge filters come apart at the seams

>>14070142
Why? You're an idiot. You're going to fuck up no matter what anyone says.

>tfw boomers buy fram filters almost exclusively

The subaru oem ones are like $4 each. I just stick with that.

I use whatever is cheap.

It literally doesn't matter. Never once has an oil filter "failed" in the history of oil filters.

>inb4 some eveidenceless anecdote or internet spook story

for my car mahle filter is $6 fram is $15.. guess which one I use?

>>14070820
Define fail.

>>14070833
cause an actual problem with a car

>>14070840
Obviously you aren't going to see the effects of poor filtration immediately.

fram orange cans arent the greatest, but theyre not complete shit either. the silver ones are good. the gold ultra cans are one of the best filters available. just don't get ultra cartridges.

source-i change a fuck ton of oil.

>>14070845
you arent going to see it ever because its not going to do anything. nothing is going to happen to your filter in 5k-10k miles.

>>14070853
>you arent going to see it ever
Maybe if you don't own cars past 100,000 miles.

>>14069984
Fram is complete shit.

>Tfw I just ordered a half case of Toyota OEM filters (5) and they sent me a full case (10).

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>>14070875
>tfw I bought a K&N filter and it had two filters in the box

>>14070896
Someone doesn't like you

>>14070897
Guess you don't like K&N.

>>14070820
Dodge released a service bulletin warning against FRAM oil filters because they determined one of them detonated and blocked all the oil ports and seized a pretty much new Cummins diesel.

Then they later said FRAM made some changes. Pretty rare for a corporation to acknowledge their product is harmful.

>>14070937
that report is from 2000 and it didn't single out fram.
wix was also mentioned and wix is loved here.

I use Fram because I'm poor as shit

>>14070968
Did you just google that? You shouldn't read anecdotes on forums.

>doesn't single out fram
>w-wix is mentioned t-too!!

>>14070971
FRAM has always been more expensive than WIX and oreilly/napa store brands (which are just relabeled WIX) for every vehicle I've owned

I use Bosch

>>14070853
It's your engine that suffers you dipstick.

>>14071008
No, I read the official dodge bulletin..
Did you expect me to take your word for it?

Doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be one of the unluckiest people alive to have a Fram filter ruin your engine.

Makes no difference to me, Fram is overpriced. I buy sub $10 filters.

>>14071105
You keep moving your goalposts and also you sound like a huge autistic try getting some pussy

>>14069984
Purolator purone my friend

>>14071008
Fram is like $3 a filter, every other filter is 10+

>>14069984
>not using oem filter

Stick with Wix or Puralator. Mann if you have a European car.

Oil is the bullshit thing to watch out for. There is only 3 refineries that make all the car oil in the USA. All these oil brands are literally buying from these 3 refineries, sticking their label on it and reselling it to you. Yes, that also applies to your previous Royal Purple, Amsoil and other "top tier" brands.

>>14071262
I haven't moved my goal posts at all.
You're just being a retard.

>GUYS DONT BUY FRAM UR ENGINE WILL EXPLODE XDDD
fuck off idiot

>>14072489
[[[[[citation needed]]]]]

>>14070142
cheap oil filters lead to poor oil flow and increased wear on your engine, if you plan on keeping it longer than a few years, spend the little extra and get a good one.

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>>14070005
The nut on top is an absolute godsend. Don't know how I got by before. They also seem pretty good based off reviews and tear downs.

A tuning shop I go to can make the craziest builds, nothing on the car or engine would barely be OEM, except for the oil filter, because it's the best goddamn oil filter in the world

>>14072782
bmw builds the nut into their filter housing :^)

guess thats just german engineering for you :^)

i use them because cheap and grippy. check my oil every once in a while and watch the pressure like a hawk. never had a problem.

>>14072801
>steal a companies idea and sell for 2300% markup
german engineering :^)

The cars in at local junkyard are all using fram filters.

>>14075051
they all also have windows

I use mobil 1 on my Ls400 and Bosch on my shitbox civic. Fuck fram btw.

>>14070069
Napa gold/wix or mobil 1 are the only filters I ever use.

>>14070461
fram catridges suck ass, they never fit properly when i tried to use them, i just went back to the oem supplier

>>14070069
>tfw just did an oil change an hour ago
>put on an stp filter

Fugg.

I use Bosch on my Nissans since the OEM filters used to be made in china, and now in mexico (I dont trust them)

And I use a Motorcraft filter on my Crown Vic.

>>14076397
Where they are made doesn't matter. Who is doing the designing and QC does.

>>14076405
Even with strict design, chinese products always have a ton more problems than those made in countries where there is safety regs, workers unions/rights and humane treatement. There is a reason Nissan switched over the oil filter manufacture from china to mexico, they were having too many gasket failures and other problems

China dosent give 2 fucks about making a quality product they just mass produce to make an extra penny everywhere they dont care about quality, materials, tolerances etc

>>14076439
>Even with strict design, chinese products always have a ton more problems
Only if you're really expecting the Chinese to police their own quality. Don't think for a second that a company in a developed nation won't chew out their contractors if they aren't delivering products that are up to snuff. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't all filters good as long as they are OEM rated?

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>>14075860

Who oversized filter option here?

ACDelco a shit.

>>14076591
lol ok, let's take Gerber USA who used to make their knives in the US, or SOG who also made them in the US. They both moved manufacture to China/Taiwan. Months after this happens and these knives keep being bought they see a huge quantity of knives coming in for defects and damage thats not supposed to happen

>blades that bend under little stress
>blades chipping/snapping
>locking mechanisms failing, disengaging while being used
>handle materials wearing out faster than usual

Lets take another example

Dakota jeans and workpants in Canada, used to make them 100% in Canada, recently moved to Bangladesh

>start tearing at seams in work conditions
>fraying fabric
>buttons/rivets popping off

Or how about the millions of toys that get recalled yearly for containing Lead and other potentially harmful chemicals

All this shit didnt happen before it was outsourced to cheap labour countries. You get what you pay for, you might end up with a cheaper product but it will never compare to a product made in the US/Canada, Japan, Europe etc. Why the fuck do you think car manufacturers haven't started making cars in china? Because there would be so many defects and safety risks/ catastrophic failures that it would litterally bankrupt them. Look at cars made in mexico nowadays, the quality is far below that of Germany, Japan, US/Canada.

China produces the shittiest products on earth. Prove me wrong.

>>14076727
AC Delco brand is made by various large filter makers

>>14076763
>OMG IT'S A CONSPIRACY TO MAKE MORE PROFITS
tin foil detected

>>14076784
Outsourcing is a real thing.

>>14076784
>conspiracy

where did I even mention that

its just cheaper to manufacture and then cheaper retail price and cheaper is more competitive, most normies dont care about quality just price

how is that even remotley tinfoil

are you unironically retarded?

>>14070241
> fram
>not the worst.
Lol

>>14076791
>ITS ALL AN EVIL PLOT TO TAKE AWAY AMERICAN JOBS AND COLLECT MORE PROFITS OEH NOEZ WHERES MY TIN HAT

>>14076806
lol

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>>14076806

>I've run out of arguements, quick, call him a tin foil conspiracist and shitpost!

Nice damage control kek

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>>14076806

get a load of this hothead

>>14076763
Have you ever considered that maybe those were garbage companies that didn't give a shit? That the outsourcing was just a symptom and not the root cause of their poor quality? There are plenty of companies producing high quality goods in China.

>>14076855
>Gerber
>shit when it was made in the US
>you used to be able to cut through car doors and aircraft fuselage without damaging the blade too severely

>Dakota Jeans
>garbage when it was made in Canada
>Was the only brand canadian carpenters/construction workers swore by because they were so durable and lasted so long

>high quality
>china

lol

>>14076855
Have you ever shot a gun anon? Have you noticed the quality difference between a Norinco (Chinese) M14 and an original US made Springfield M14?

>>14076875
Right, so you're a moron who doesn't know anything about manufacturing. It's ok, maybe someone will take the time to hold your hand in the future.

>>14076686
yes. /o/ just has a lot of know it all teenage autists who pick up these little anecdotal culture memes from the internet and some left over from their boomer parents (ie muh chebby, muh ford, muh dodge, muh fram sux, muh wix). i think wix sponsors a vln car probably where most of the /o/utists here picked up the meme.

>>14076902
kek enjoy your inferior chink garbage

>>14076900
>Have you noticed the quality difference between a Norinco (Chinese) M14 and an original US made Springfield M14?
That comparison doesn't go the way you think it goes and also isn't applicable to the conversation.

fram is made in the US. ohio or north carolina or something. why are u guys talking about china.

maybe you mean wix who has a plant in china, but its in shanghai so i dont think it really counts as china

>>14076962
see
>>14076397

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>>14070069
What the fuck am I supposed to be looking at?

Been using the High Mileage ones for my '12 Fiesta for nearly 10 months with Mobil 1, no problems. Even with occasional >100mph. But I'll be switching to a Mobil filter next change. So we'll see how that works out.

>>14077765
The end caps and pleats nigger.

>>14072506
>g-guys oil filters never fail ever not even once e-ever

>shows you an oil filter failure that caused engine failture

>y-you'd have to be really unlucky!
>y-you're r-r-retarded!!!

>>14078257
>His only evidence is 20 years old
>From a dealership most likely avoiding a warranty
>And pertains to only one specific engine
>Admits that fram took responsibility anyway
>>>>20 years ago
Literally grasping for straws: the argument.

>FRAM GONNA WRECK UR ENGINE DUDE XDDD

>>14076763
>thinks american cars are made with quality
>has never owned a Chevrolet Cobalt

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>>14070069
>yfw Super-Tech is a better filter than FRAM.

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OEM lyfe

>>14078234
>no problem
Jesus, how hard is this for people to understand? You can't see or feel if your filter has failed from the outside. Your car won't drive any differently. Not at first, anyways. If you keep using garbage filters though, your engine will fail sooner. Much sooner, depending on the fill interval.

>>14078533
>they are bad i swear!
>you just cant tell or feel it and theres never any evidence!
>take my word for it!
how about no

>>14078299
okay now you've moved from "oil filters have never failed once" to "you'd have to be really unlucky" to "t-that was so long ago!"

good meme. fram took responsibility for an engine failure. what else do you need to know?

>>14072782
You should be able to take your filter off by hand breh, otherwise you're overtightening it and putting more work on yourself that isn't needed.

>>14078299
If an oil filter failed 20 years ago, that means an oil filter hasn't failed once in history?

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>>14078935
Are you sure?

>>14078960
Do you really put on your filter so tight you can't budge it easily by hand? Why?

I sure love my BMW E46 integrated Easy Release™ 36mm oil filter housing. Makes it a real treat to change the surprisingly cheap, but high quality $5 OEM filters in my Ultimate Driving Machine™.

Stay mad poorfags.

>it matters

DUDE BUT ITS CARDBOARD THE OTHER ONES ARE METAL SEE??????

Fram is proof positive that 95% of the people on this board know nothing.

>>14079035
are you still mad that you got blown the fuck out

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Are these any good? I sell them at work and they are pretty expensive

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>>14076900

>yfw the chink receiver is forged and the springfield one is cast.

>>14079021

>Ultimate Leasing Machine

>>14079058
>blown out
>by lifted truck broscience

lel

>>14078978
The 2.2 OHV in my cav leaks around the filter because the last 15 people that beat on this car took it to th emost hamhanded jiffy lube retards

The filter threads are kinda janky so it leaks right onto the exhaust if i don't tighten it twice (once after its heated up with my kevlar sleeve on to not singe my forearm reaching behind the motor)

Probably needs a new oil pan or just a big self tapper because at some point someone crossthreaded the living fuck out of it but the plug doesn't leak even if it doesn't feel too good going in and out.

>>14079074
There's nothing wrong with casting, but Springfield is a garbage company who can't do it right.

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>>14079074
>dat gif
>dat feel

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>>14072489
The base is probably the same but it's the friction modifiers, detergents and whatever other shit they add that separates them.

>>14070241
Get a fucking no slip table cloth holder thing you fag