What is your favorite modern muscle car and why? Mine is pic related

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only option tbqh

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Road Runner

>>14051161
Basically agree. CLK63 Black is probably my favorite though, although that's not currently in production so C63 Black would be my next.

There was a SL65 Black Series too, which was pretty sick for burnouts but basically nothing else.

>>14051111
The only modern muscle cars are the charger and challenger. So the challenger. The camaro and mustang are pony cars, and then there's nothing else.

>>14051174
>>14051161
On what goddamn planet is an AMG a muscle car?

>hurr it makes a lot of power
So does a ferrari or a Ford GT, neither of those are muscle cars and nor is any merc.

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5th gens are GOAT

Mustangs are fine, but that pushrod sound speaks to me. Challengers are dogshit in reliability, beautiful to look at though.

>>14051183
Have you driven them? They are basically German cars that mimic American muscle cars. Front engine, huge power, and it is just the feeling and sound of it all.

I've never driven a Ford GT but the engine is in the wrong place, of the Ferraris I've driven (360, 430,458), they are completely different from muscle cars in feel. They are much more precise and well behaved.

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>>14051183
well no shit those arent muscle cars

their mid engine super cars

C63 is front engine V8 with the same basic layout as vintage muscle

AMG has mad muscle cars since the 60s

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pre facelift 1LE camaro

>>14051193
There is no "pushrod" sound, it's just firing order and exhaust.

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civic is GOAT

>>14051199
>>14051197
They are expensive as fuck ans also focus on handling, not muscle cars. How is this even up for debate?

>>14051200

I've yet to see a pre-facelift 1LE

I've seen a few facelift 1LE's. 13's might grab a pretty penny when we become boomers

>>14051212
its a German muscle car man

>C63 AMG $60k
>ZL1 $55K
>Hellcat $60k

suck a dick

>>14051224
Does fucking nobody know what "boomer" means around here? I swear /o/ needs a goddamn dictionary.

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Does snek count?

>>14051234

C63 AMG
>476 HP
>60K
ZL1
>580 HP
>55K
Hellcat
>707 HP
>60K

I like AMG's but they're not muscle. You've got base model Camaro SS's now that will dog a C63 on the strip for 37K

>>14051235
Apparently that guy doesn't.

>>14051224
I have seen a few, and they are pretty bitching.
>when we become boomers
topkek m9

>>14051241
No
>>14051247
Not to mention the zl1 has the handling goodies doesn't it?

>>14051235

Yea it's a generation, baby boomers

I was implying our generation will do the exact same thing to cars we grew up liking.

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>>14051204
kek this

>>14051247
Have you ever driven a C63 AMG Black Series?

>>14051256

Have you?

>>14051247
and?

Mercedes has more luxuries

its like the Buick GSX or Olds 442

its not the absolute fastest but its comfy

>>14051264
Yes, I owned one for 3 months.

>>14051256
Don't give a shit, base model has only 20 more hp than a 2016 base camaro ss for almost twice the price. Not cheap, not muscle.

>>14051268

Why only 3?

>>14051267

Luxuries is what makes it not a muscle car

CTS-V's are fast and comfy. They're not muscle cars.

>>14051286
the only thing more luxurious than a GSX made by GM was a Cadillac

is it not a muscle car?

>>14051272
Meh, you are entitled to your opinion. But, as far as driving like a muscle car, AMG is very much there. Cost is not the only metric. Also the Black Series is more like 100k, regular C63 is closer to 60.

>>14051286
>Why only 3?
I had some other sporty cars I was enjoying, and end of the day it was still a C class. I had the rear seat delete, so really it became a true two seater which made it less useful for me to drive. It also rode really rough, which in hindsight I should have known because all the Black Series run like that. I wanted to put miles on it and the tires would only be good for a stupid low amount of milage. If I took it to the track the tires likely would have only lasted a day, they were just really really soft... so, multiple reasons.

It didn't quite fit in as a good track car, didn't really fit in as a good sporty car to drive to work, and felt like a lot of money to have in a C class.

It's a fun car, but, just didn't fit in my garage at the time. After 3 months I had enjoyed it and since they were so hot (I got mine right away) I was able to sell it for sticker, essentially driving the car for free.

>>14051334
Cost is quite literally part of the definition of a muscle car.

>>14051177
This. By definition, the AMGs cannot be a muscle car because muscle cars have always been the middle class express. That means a new one has to be under 65k (average lower middle class income) and be faster than cars costing twice as much, even if only in a straight line.

>>14051308
LOL. Do you not know about the Lesabre? The Riviera? The GSX is a muscle car because every fancy item was an option dumbass. You could get a same year charger with lux goodies too but the goodies aren't the point. Same as you can have 2 full size Chryslers lets say a Sport Fury and a New Yorker. The New yorker may be the same mechanically and have the same suspension but it was a luxury car. The Plymouth had a fairly lengthy options list for the time. The New Yorker had most options standard.

>>14051197
The thing that made a muscle car a muscle car was the fact that it was just raw balls out mechanics. It was just motor > trans > drive shaft > rear end > tires and that's it, no ABS, no EFI, nothing.

If consider it more modern muscle, but I wouldn't consider it muscle by any means.
>>14051199
Speak English slav

>>14051193
Chebby fags have no place to talk about reliability lmao

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Does cts v count?

>>14051193
I know its a meme but those windows really are too tiny

They look like hotwheels

>>14051543
Caddies are sport luxury cars.

>>14051543
>American
>huge
>massive power from a V8

It definitely counts.

>>14051503
But all the cars listed here so far have electronics like ABS and traction control. It's a 'modern interpretation of the muscle car' thread. At least that's how I read it

>>14051791
>>14051804
AMGs and Cadillacs are not muscle cars.

>>14051826
God damn my reply game is off today. Meant to quote >>14051826
And >>14051804

>>14051830
FUUUCK MY LIFE
>>14051804
>>14051813

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>>14051830
I'll wait

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>>14051843
Okay. Well that is your opinion, so it must be right.

>>14051863
>The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."[2] A large V8 engine is fitted in a 2-door, rear wheel drive, family-style mid-size or full-size car designed for four or more passengers. Sold at an affordable price, muscle cars are intended for street use and occasional drag racing.

Of course there are exceptions like the buick t type and those 4-door impala SSs.

>>14051241
>1.5g cornering

Nope

>>14052157
>expensive
>dedicated sportscar chassis
Also nopes

>>14051199
It's been a while since I saw this meme

so the defintion of muscle is literally pigfat lolcantturn?

>>14052205
Yes, and apparently modern ones are supposed to be the exact same and not at all advanced.

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New gen GTO. Unassuming but with subtle accents to make it look like a muscular Neon. IRS and a fucking fantastic engine/transmission along with an orgasmic exhaust note

If the fuel tank wasn't in the backseat and those same seats could fold down, I'd have one still.

>>14052205
Muscle cars are about horsepower, torque, blue collar workers, superchargers, top speed, big nosie, fuck the police, good 'ol boys, retro looks, and V8's.

>>14052239
>blue collar workers
lmfao.

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>>14052239
so literal shit that gets stumped by a civic around a track?

>>14052468
>around a track
>not across it

Yes, you are correct

>>14052468
why would you want to go on a track with a muscle car. they are for cruising and ripping skids.

>>14052468
>around a go-kart track

FTFY. That Civic would eat shit at Suzuka.

>>14051177
the retro models were classic muscle cars, but the newer models are aiming that sporty look.

>>14052205
The point was cheap straight line speed. They *can* handle, it's just not a requirement.
>>14052491
The newer ones are melted cluster fucks that don't know what they are.

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>>14051111
gt40
Shelby gt500/supersnake
Shelby cobra
Chevrolet Chevelle

>>14052506
>modern
>gt40 and cobra are muscle cars

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Duh.

>>14052132
But that definition also leaves out muscle cars from other countries, such as Australia and South Africa.

Also, I may be wrong, but when they were initially making muscle cars in the mid-60s like the Pontiac GTO, they were considered upscale performance versions of cars like the Catalina, which were already top of the line models. So Muscle Cars were sort of getting their start from luxury models, and all the highly sought-after muscle cars, such as the Shelby Mustang and the Camaro Z/28, were far from being affordable.

What many car critics list as today's true muscle cars, such as the GT350, ZL1 and 392 SRT, are in the $50,000 range, luxury car territory, and as some have pointed out, close to the range the C63 AMG starts at.

>>14051161
>>14051174
>>14051197
>>14051199
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as:
>"American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."

>>14052523
Essentially, Muscle Car = any American GT

>>14052514
It looks more aftermarket than OEM but DAAAAAAAYUUUUM

>>14052517
I think there is an addendum for Australia. Also, the high end as fuck super performance trims blow the AMG the fuck out for still slightly less money.

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04 cobra is goat

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Hellcat. looks+sound+lateral-acceleration.

>>14051826
that is a ZL-1 Camaro dressed in a Cadillac brand tuxedo and nothing more
LSA 6.2L supercharged V-8 580hp/556tq
mag ride and brembos

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>>14051111

>>14052514
Still a pony car. You cannot fit 4 adults comfortably unless you are a manlet.

>>14051826
Why not?
>inb4 some arbitrary price limit

>>14052523
>>14052535
>this American dictionary defines it as...
Cool story

>>14054018
Price is literally part of the definition of muscle car. Muscle cars were also strippers, not luxurious.

>>14054900
America is always right you commie shitstain

>>14054908
>Price is literally part of the definition of muscle car.
Who's definition? Regardless, in that case, you should be able to define the maximum price going by "the definition".
>>14054948
Cool story

>>14054988
Merriam-Webster's. Its around middle class wage. An AMG starting at 60,000 is not a muscle car, a Challenger V8 starting in the mid-30s is.

>>14052523
read as
2 door coupés with the engines out of four door land barges

>>14054988
German cars can't be muscle because they're German

>>14055004
>this Americanised definition
>that has no defining qualities
lol
>>14055026
That the original Muscle Car formula when the term was coined, however the muscle car has long since evolved from the '60s/early '70s ideology.