>What kind of car do you want, son? >A Honda.

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If he isn't into stance and wants a nice car to drive, an S2000 would be an amazing car, although they're a bit more expensive than a first car should be.

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Good thing he doesn't want a BMW, or I would've had to disinherit him and throw him out of the house.

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If you hate any car, you are a hater of cars.
/o/ is an auto enthusiast board, not for people who dislike it.
Get out.

>>14035058
>hater
stancefag detected

Also I think we can hate vehicles we all agree are shit.

>>14035064
Like Hondas

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>>14035064

I am not a stance fag. I just like all cars.
And people who dislike something continuously, like hondas or whatever.
Are haters. It's a designation for someone that hates.

Accurate word usage.

>>14035073
Are you 13 or something?

You're taking this too personally for someone who isn't a tripfag.

>>14035029
Sure thing lad, lets set you up with a nice EK hatch or maybe a Prelude, but if you stance it I'll part it out when you're at college

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>>14035083

Are you a fag or something?
Just because you think your toys are better doesn't mean they are.
All cars are equal.

How much effort do you think someone has to put into a post anyway?

>>14035041
At least BMWs are decent cars.

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>>14035068
Nah, their cars have all generally been pretty nice for their respective intended purpose. I'm talking like the new Toyota Mirai.
>>14035073
Even this abomination?

>>14035109
Shitpost guy put your trip back on

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>>14035115
I'm sorry, but you've got it wrong.
People who shitpost are the ones who pick sides and blatantly fanboy. Like alphonse.
Shitpostguy is one of them too.

I however actually like cars.
Unlike you, shit stain.

>>14035114
Yes, even that generic abomination.
More equal than the races of humanity.

>>14035058
>/o/ is an auto enthusiast board

It's an lap time enthusiast board at best, the /v/ of automobiles at worst.

>>14035117
I also like cars, I would go as far as love.

But some brands are largely terrible, and many cars are blatantly awful. Part of being an enthusiast is being able to know the shit from the good

Liking all cars is a very simple way to look at it, and shows a lack of understanding in the extreme

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>>14035125

Yeah, no.
You can dislike cars for yourself.
I'll never own a FWD or an Acura again, but those cars just work for some people. And that's great.

I think those earlier year crown victorias are fucking disgusting, but they're the pride and joy for some other people? Yeah, that's shit is cool.
Stop hating. Fuckface.

>>14035129
This.
I'm assuming people think I'm a die hard Honda fag. Not really, just worked on my own, and like the engineering.
I'd much prefer to drive my older european cars, to bad everything besides the styling is garbage.

>LUCAS
>SULAC
>TNASA
>SATAN


Now gib me a porsche or opel

>>14035129
You type like a 16 year old that's just taken too much weed after a philosophy class

Some people are ludicrously incapable when it comes to cars, that doesn't make those cars any better. Allowing people to live in their delusions is just intellectually dishonest

But keep on hating those better informed than you, you hater :)

>>14035139
lol 420 blaze it! am i rite?

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>>14035139
>You type like a 16 year old
> :)

>>14035058
>hate crossovers
>huurrrr u haet all cras faget
No, you fuck. An enthusiast is not some blind sycophant of something. Enthusiasts are most hardcore-passionate about their hobby and also the pickiest.

Hi back to your stance, cunt.

>>14035143
Great way to avoid the argument hater XD

>>14035139
>taken too much weed

M8 you don't take weed

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>>14035148

One can only hope for a crossover laptime and horsepower war.

>>14035156
>Smoking isn't taking
>Eating brownies isn't taking

>>14035157
Those are wagons. Awesome wagons, but wagons.

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>>14035148

Crossovers are in the lower bracket for cars.
But they're still better than no car.

Africans are in the lower bracket of humanity.
But they're not better than no africans.

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>>14035165

A Subaru Forester is a crossover.
The outback is the brand's wagon.

>>14035166
>Crossovers are in the lower bracket for cars.
>But they're still better than no car.
Better than no car =/= good you retard
>Africans are in the lower bracket of humanity.
>But they're not better than no africans
That's jsut wrong, if the niggers just disappeared overnight EVERYTHING would be better. Crime drops by 70%, international hunger and poverty drops by 50% and I don't need to hear rap everywhere anymore

>>14035168
Nope, Foresters are wagons and always have been. The Subaru crossover was (is?) that POS Tribeca

>>14035162
Technically correct but totally unidiomatic. Just makes you sound like 16 year old that doesn't know a thing about drugs

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>>14035172
Reading comprehension.


"The Subaru Forester is a compact crossover manufactured since 1997 by Subaru. Available in Japan from 1997, the Forester shares its platform with the Impreza. It was introduced in 1997 as a compact crossover wagon. It has been crowned Motor Trend's 2009 and 2014 SUV of the Year and The Car Connection's Best Car To Buy 2014"

>>14035175
>Citation needed

>>14035178

http://www.thecarconnection.com/overview/subaru_forester_2014

http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/forester/

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1092339_2014-subaru-forester-suv-crossover-or-wagon-we-try-to-define

>>14035184
>Post 90s wagons
>BUT THEY RESUED THE NAME FOR THE CROSSOVER IN 2014

>>14035150
Go BTFO retard

>>14035188

"It's clearly a crossover. It was a crossover when it was introduced in 1998, and it remains that way 16 years later."

>>14035189
>go blow the fuck out retard

I had curry last night, maybe later :P

>>14035193
That's a fantastic way of pushing an opinion with no supporting evidence

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>>14035196
my stancenanation wagon FWD drive high compression engine Vtech swap will RIP your so called nice speedcar apart

>>14035200

It's the last line in the 3rd source I provided.

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/these-3-hot-subaru-crossovers-are-setting-us-fire

Here's another.
I'm pretty much just having fun with you now. Like taking some kid's toys away or lying to him for no reason.
Except this time I'm right. And you're retarded.

>>14035206
Dude like chill :L You're gonna have like an anurism or sumthin :/

>>14035213
>This guys opinion is the same as mine so it's clearly a fact

>>14035206
>juke
>wagon

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>>14035200

"The Subaru Forester followed closely in the RAV4's tracks, debuting in 1997 as a 1998 model year car with the slogan "SUV tough, car easy.""

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-models/crossover-cars/first-crossover-vehicle.htm

That's literally the tag line subaru used.
Are you dense?

>>14035224
A Juke is a wagon in the save way that a Forester is a crossover : It's advertised that way

>>14035225
>Literally the tagline subaru used

Because car makers can't say random shit to sell cars to morons

>>14035168
Those ones in particular are absolutely wagons, look at them next to a sedan. Yes they have a different face than most sedans, but they're really carlike, basically just a slightly lifted outback. Crossovers are blobs. The new Forester and Outback are crossovers, the second-gens and first-gens are wagons.

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>>14035233
>googled it
>mfw nissan actually does call it a wagon
god fucking help us

Remember when everything wasn't a crossover?

>>14035122
would the Z06 do better with modified gearing?

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>>14035233

>having arguments about what a car is or isn't
>not leaving it up to the car's actual maker to decide
>third party raters are putting it in the crossover and SUV brackets
>"It's still not a crossover"

Look, it can still be a crossover. And you can still like it.
It's not wrong to do so.

>>14035243
The Z06 would do better with another comparison that isn't on the longest track in the world, on the same day, with the same drivers.
>>14035244
A car maker could sell a car like a miata and claim it's an SUV, does that make it an SUV?

>>14035242
I miss when people would call wagons wagons. I miss wagons in general actually, they're practical as fuck without needing to be ugly as sin and can still share most of it's parts with the sedan

>>14035244
The Forester is as much a crossover as a great dane painted to look like a cow - There's a vague visual relation but it's clearly something different if you look at it for more than 5 seconds

The first generation Forester is literally a wagon with a slight suspension lift, the newer ones are crossovers

>>14035251

But do third party people say it's an SUV?
No.

This bait thread has been ruined.

>>14035264

The discussion now is better than what the OP ever wanted.

>>14035244
Third parties will sometimes call autos with paddles manuals. Doesn't mean they're right. The Forester is quite literally the same car as the Impreza and Outback with different panels and interior and a slight suspension lift. It's just blockier. It has wagon dimensions. Crossovers are skyscraper high blobs.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about my car, you little fuqBOAII? I’ll have you know I graduated top Mechanic of my class of Mechanics, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret repairs on toyota hilluxes, and I have over 300 confirmed engine swaps.
I am receiving welfare in over 50 states and I’m the top DRIVER in the entire USA of america. You are nothing to me but just another pathetic loser. I will reck you the fuck out with drift precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my mum and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your "racecar". You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can race you to death in over seven ways, and that’s just with my N/A miata.
Not only am I extensively trained in Cornering and drifting, and I have access to a v16 dual-Quad turboed fiero with a bodykit I will use it to its full extent to reck your car off the race life, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.
But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re getting paid the price, you goddamn faggot. I will shit fury all over your car and cut your brake lines.
ILL RIP YOU OUT THE FUCKING RACE FAGGOT!!!!
YOU HEAR MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>14035269
Only a delusional retard would believe that.

Hondas still suck.

>>14035029

I see picking a sensible and modest brand is a good sign. He's not asking for some ridiculous overpriced euro-trash.

>>14035279
9/10 bretty dut dagumi

>>14035281
>A criclejerk about HURNDA SUK IS better than a discussion about the over/misuse of the crossover classification

>>14035286
A shitty CR-V is a crossover.

An elegant Subaru Baja isn't.

>>14035281
Hondas are fucking awesome commuter cars and they made fucking awesome (albeit expensive) sports cars for a while, what the fuck are you on about?

>>14035294
I would agree, A Baja is much closer to Ute than anything else

>>14035301
Toyota is better than Honda.

Glorious Toyotas - Hondas can go suck a dick.

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>>14035312

Okay then.

>>14035312
Before anybody else starts defending Honda...

How many RWD trucks does Honda have?

How about Toyota?

Check-fucking-mate

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>Tfw can't stand most /o/ posters because I actually like cars and don't think fanboyism helps our dying hobby
;_;

I don't want to fight...

>>14035320
Very well...

Which car has the fewest automatic transmission issues: Toyota Camry or Honda Accord?

>>14035332
>Automatic trasmission

>>14035320

Whats a cvck? Sorry, my English is not very good?

>>14035327
Fanboyism isn't good, but blindly supporting everything because it has 4 wheels isn't good either, and I would argue the latter leads to eventual death faster due to the blurring of lines and such

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Isis approved.

>>14035334
It doesn't matter, I could go on about which brand has more RWD sports cars and Toyota will still win.

Face it, Honda is nothing but premium bullshit compared to Toyota.

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>>14035114
What the fuck happened to that front end, I mean 2015 toyotas were hideous but good god.

Also pic related

> Toyotas/Lexus in 2016

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>>14035188
>the Forester was introduced at the Tokyo Motor Show November 1995 as the Streega concept, and made available for sale February 1997 in Japan, and to the US market in 1998. The Forester was one of the first emerging crossover SUVs. It was built in the style of a car, but had a taller stance, higher h-point seating, and an all-wheel drive drive train. Subaru advertising employed the slogan "SUV tough, Car Easy".

>>14035350
I can't comment personally, I've only ever driven German cars. Well one Saab, but that's still pretty close.

>>14035360

Don't bother, he won't get it through his thick skull.
He'll just say citation needed, move the goal post, or claim that opinion is worthless.
He literally got to the point saying the car maker will say whatever just to sell the car.
It's not a PT Cruiser/Truck fiasco. It's a fucking lifted wagon/suv crossover.

>>14035335
kek

>>14035367
>It's not a PT Cruiser/Truck fiasco.
It's literally the same thing, fucking with regulations and advertising to sell more cars

>>14035357
So you're wanting to bring Lexus into this?

The LFA is better than the NSX and S2000 combined.

>>14035372

Yes, but the PT Cruiser doesn't look like a truck.
A Forester can, and apparently does. Look like an SUV, Wagon, or Crossover to many onlookers.

>>14035376
>A Forester can, and apparently does. Look like an SUV, Wagon, or Crossover to many onlookers.

It's a wagon with slightly high suspension. It's no more a crossover than a rallystyle impreza is

>>14035381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cJSvjBlWjw
watch this advert and tell me it's not a crossover

>>14035388
How many here have Supras?

>>14035394

>Crocodile dundee

Fucking upsidedownies.

>>14035041
Your son would be better off without you then

>>14035394
>Full time AWD
Same as a legacy
>Better cornering than a RX300
So does basically everything not 12 feet tall
>Best in class
Class not mentioned, I think it's legally a light truck ala PT Cruiser
>High crash rating
So are volvos, but they're clearly not crossovers either
>Car easy, SUV tough
So like an old volvo?

>>14035408
Regardless, Supras are more popular than NSXs.

>>14035408
>supras are pigfat
They're a GT car, not a pure sports car. Think Aston Martin rather than Lotus
>cant turn
They handle just fine
>slower than NSXs
Hahaha no. A MK4 Turbo would destroy an NSX in a sprint, simply because it had a ton more torque and a 6 speed from the get-go

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>>14035415
>A crossover, also known as a crossover utility vehicle (CUV), is a vehicle built on a car platform and combining, in highly variable degrees, features of a sport utility vehicle (SUV) with features from a passenger vehicle, especially those of a station wagon or hatchback.

>>14035432

Not because they're better, but because of the NSX exclusivity.
I've seen 10 supras for every NSX I've seen.
In fact, I've never seen an NSX.

>>14035438

see

>>14035233

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>>14035403
here he again selling an actual wagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqgicbVlJDA

>>14035438
So if a Forester is a Crossover, a Impreza wagon must be as well right? How about a Volvo V70R? Or perhaps a BMW 3 series touring with XDrive?

>AWD
>Hatchback
>Car chassis

>>14035455
What makes the (AWD, Hatchback, Legacy or Impreza based) Outback any more or less of a crossover than the (AWD, hatchback, Impreza based) Forester?

>>14035468

Because it sits higher stock and is bulkier.
Ez.

>>14035476
>higher
>Bulkier

They both have the same clearance, and the Outback actually weighs more

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>>14035457
>features of a sport utility vehicle (SUV) with features from a passenger vehicle

none of those cars have any SUV features except for AWD.
crossovers have, to varying degrees:

>a taller stance

>increased ride height

>higher h-point seating,

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>>14035512
So how about a Fiat Panda then?

>High as fuck
>Available with AWD
>Seats basically glued to the roof

Sounds like a crossover by your description, except oops, it's a city car

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>The DOHC has the same horsepower as the SOHC
Lol?

>>14035540
SOHC has better em pee gees and higher compression than the DOHC

>>14035129
>hating on FF
Kill yourself

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>>14035525
seating position and body height are identical to the panda its just lifted.
the forester has a completely different body shell to the impreza

>>14035571
>the forester has a completely different body shell to the impreza

That's why the Impreza wagon has interchangeable hoods, front fenders, hatches and rear seats right?

>>14035578

That's why your mom has interchangeable bulls.

>>14035586
Oh sik burn bro, you'll need to tell that to the class on monday

>>14035592

Sorry, I'll just bring your mom to the class. The teacher makes me share. And there certainly will be enough.

I've had early Foresters.
It's a wagon.The newer ones are more suv

>>14035598
If you really want to drag a 400lb corpse to class, don't let me stop you

>>14035598
AHHHHH REKT. Extremely underrated post

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>>14035578
i don't understand your argument
the impreza wagon is station wagon not a crossover

>>14035635
>the impreza wagon is station wagon not a crossover

Is it? It has all the same features as the Forester except from a slightly taller cabin

>>14035635
that is not a station wagon anymore

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>>14035640
>slightly taller cabin
thats what makes it a crossover

>>14035651
Nope, it's still a wagon, just a wagon with lots of headroom

>>14035041
>Sure son, we'll buy an E30 that needs work and make it a father son project

>>14035041

Let me guess, you want to buy him a miata?

>No son of mine will be straight

I haven't read the full thread but in 16-20 years all these answers could have different contexts.

>>14036696
No son of mine will be a meathead.

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>>14035041

>Not wanting you son to be a supreme gentleman

>>14035073
This is where you're getting it wrong. To be an enthusiast doesn't mmean you have to like everything. Also, disliking things isn't necessarily bad, as you seem to be implying.

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>>14035073
>i-is that a corner up ahead?

>>14037175

>no true scotsman
#bye

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D-dad?
>Yes son, what is it.
I-I need to tell you something
>Ok, go ahead
It's just that...Dad...I'm a stancefag
>it's gonna be ok son, it's gonna be ok

>>14037891

"My baby boomer senses make me think this IRS isn't gonna work"

>>14035029
The NSX isn't the absolute worst car ever made is it?

>>14035029
As a first car? Why not, the older models cheap to run and hard to kill. Same with the other jap dinosaurs, Toyota carina e, Nissan bluebird etc

They do little in terms of excitement but as a dependable workhorse that a novice mechanic can work on they're brilliant.

>>14037895
>#
Swaggot confirmed