New form of steel

>>14028916
OH MY GOD DID WE INVENT ALUMINIUM AGAIN?

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>>14028944
>aluminium

>>14028950
You got a problem qith my spelling, uneducated colonial farm labourer?

>>14028955
>qith

Uneducated peasant.

>>14028916
Sounds like gm is the main resarcher in this. This could be a wonderful thing.

>>14028944
aluminum has different, not as nice properties, but at the moment it works well as a lighter alternative...

if this takes off though, it's like "better" steel, just all around better at being steel, and make aluminum mostly obsolete aside from within engines

>>14028955
Yeah, I do you dirty buck-toothed cockney faggot

>>14028944
Except that aluminium is more expensive than steel, and this will be better than aluminium and cheaper than steel.

>1500lb ND
maybe then it wont be slow as balls

unfortunately the bodyshell of a car is only about a quarter of the car's weight. an NA miat chassis weighs like 600 lbs. you could pare it down to 450 with this 'new' technology, bringing the NA's weight from 2150 to 2000. not really dramatic.

I could see this being good for commuter cars, but sports cars are already lighter thanks to aluminum and composites. If it was so revolutionary you would have seen it implemented in race cars by now...

>>14029032
>10%
>while being cheaper
>not really dramatic

>>14028916

>RUST
>U
>S
>T

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>>14028916
This really, really shouldn't be called new. Been around for many years. It is really interesting though. It isn't a specific alloy, its a process of rapidly heating a given steel through induction then quenching it to make the grain structure incredibly strong. They're just taking different grades of steel and putting it through this process to improve it.

I'm not sure if they have any way of producing large billets or forgings this way though, so engine blocks won't be seeing the love as far as I know. You could make the vehicles frame 1/3 lighter, or keep it equal weight and make it significantly stronger also. I'm inclined to prefer the latter. It'd be a big boon for crash test ratings at least.

They're also using various grades of this stuff for ballistic panels in some DARPA project.

>>14029050
It might actually be in use with some manufacturers, or an equivalent process under a different trade name. Not everyone just announces their trade secrets.

>>14029066
Valid point. And also nice BAJA, I'm on formula myself

>>14029058
>while being cheaper
standard gizmag/popsci/ifls/gizmodo claim, just like the super batteries and algae-grown fuel. believe it when you see it listed from a steel supplier.

to be fair, the entire 'skyactiv' concept is centered around these incremental changes that make small improvements here and there to maximize economy without having to fundamentally redesign the vehicle

>2015
>not using compacted graphite iron

>>14028916
>Imagine an ND that's 35% lighter
>100% steel ND Miata
It would be noisy af in there senpai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFML7lPH904


vid related

>>14029079
>any year
>making body/chassis elements out of compacted graphite iron
obviously you're not an engineer

>>14029137
Heh, for... Touche

>>14028950
ALOOMINEEUM

>>14029076
>to be fair, the entire 'skyactiv' concept is centered around these incremental changes that make small improvements here and there to maximize economy without having to fundamentally redesign the vehicle

And they're doing pretty fucking good at it too.

>>14028916
>>also a good deal cheaper to make, something like 1/2 the cost
that alone would ensure that it gets used instead of traditional steel.
i doubt it's that much but cost is always the biggest driver towards implementaion.
this shit has been out for 5 yraes now why isn't it standard?

>>14029261
They just got their first US patent on the process in 2013, and they still don't fully understand what exactly is happening to the local chemistry of every alloy when its flash processed. They're processing steels and then seeing how it performs, though a handful are extremely well understood now.

>>14029279
>not just accepting it works, releasing it anyway and figuring out how later on
fucking nerds

>>14029363
The company is already selling their heating and quenching system, so if a manufacturer had the money they could be making their own flash steel right now, and thats assuming they're not already doing so. Volvo in particular is famous for their metallurgic wizardry, and they could possibly employ a similar process themselves but keep it a trade secret.

The underlying principle is that they're heating the steel extremely hot, then cooling it near instantly to prevent all the carbide from dissolving uniformly. Its been known for a few decades that doing this to increase the bainite concentration in a steel makes it stronger, this guy behind Flash Bainite basically created a stupid simple and cheap way to accomplish it.

>>14029403
I'm guessing someone will be doing it then if the cost savings are as big as claimed.
Will Mr Flash get rich off this?

>>14029452
>Will Mr Flash get rich off this?
He already owned a 17,000 sq ft machine shop so I'm assuming he already was rich.

>>14029032
this isnt just the body shell, this is all structural components made of steel, or even those made of aluminum, with the possible exception of aluminum engine blocks

>>14029492
yeah it's not going to include castings or non ferrous metals
still that's a large part of a vehicle and it makes parts that were of marginal benefit in aluminium more likely to be steel

This is pretty neat. Bainite has been around for a while, but its a little tricky to make and work as far as I know. Only stuff you'd own made of it would be heavy duty steel saw blades, or a retardedly sharp katana if you're a weeaboo.

>>14028916
This isn't a new form of steel. The Youngs modulus will be crap have fun with chassis flex.

>>14029588
that's more of a structural design issue than material

>>14029064
holy shit this. now rust will be a death sentence

>>14029639
what's stopping this being dipped and coated like regular steel is now?

>>14028944
>same strength as steel
No, its not aluminum.

>>14029058
They won't sell it for cheaper regardless of how much it costs to make.

>>14029707
u wot m8?

>>14029679
Nothing. Ignore retards.

>>14029806
Different Anon.

Car companies won't. This is good news for their profit margins, not for you.

What are you going to do about it; build your own new car? Yeah, right.

>>14029852
i think it will drop some. not by much, MAYBE a grand or so, to attract more buyers with HEY LOOK THE CAR IS LIGHTER CHEAPER STRONGER SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT but not nearly by 1/2 or whatever they save. sacrificing a few thousand to make a few hundred thousand is a solid business plan at least in by book.

I hope to god Factory Five gets one of these machines by the time I can afford a GTM.

so why cant you make a block out of steel? especially with this steel?

>>14029944
Im pretty sure its got to do with the tempering process. They heat it up extremely fast via induction and then cool it down just as quick. So it seems like it can only be done with thin sections of steel. Which makes sense, because bainite made the old way was expensive as fuck.

>>14029944
They can't heat and quench the steel fast enough. Thickest material they're working with now is half inch.

>>14029944
it might work with liners

>>14029921
nah they won't make a better car then sell it for less
if everyone is using this material then it won't be a usp

>>14028955
Keep spelling the way your queen tells you to

Also enjoy being stabbed by sandniggers

when will they just start mass producing carbon fiber cars?

The BMW i3 this a carbon fiber frame with thermoplastic body panels on an aluminum chassis.

If the i3's frame gets damages. their are premarked points you can cut the frame. Then epoxy on new carbon fiber frame members.

>>14030170
Lighter vehicles are worse off for crashes. Making them as light as possible isn't what you want.

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Give me a steel that doesn't rust and I'll be excited.

>>14030210
stainless steel.

it tends to be bad for structural work though.

>>14030186
>it's not pigfat it's safety

>>14030210
never heard of stainless?

GUYS GUYS GUYS SHUT THe FUCK UP ABOUT CURB WEIGHT

THIS COULD MEAN PILLARS GET THINNER AGAIN

>>14029615
>implying they're not related

>>14030186
Soccer mom detected.

You don't need that 6000 pound SUV to drive your child safely a 100 meters down the street to play at his friend's house.

>>14030210
stainless steel dumbcunt.

>>14030223
You also don't need a sports car ,you don't need a hellcat Charger,and you don't need a convertible. But they're nice and

>>14030210
If you want to prevent rust its simply a matter of coating the surface.

>>14030216
>>14030213
>>14030225
Pretty much all grades of stainless will rust and corrode from salt exposure.

>>14030223
Not 6,000, around 3,000 to 4,000 for modern sedans and cross overs. You have to compete with every other vehicle on the road, unless you want to drive a coffin like a Smart car, or a Miata.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQUGk12S8U

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>>14030234
>But they're nice and...
He said as he turned back to his boyfriend and started sucking once more.
This fucking faggot cant keep cocks out of his mouth long enough to write a complete thought.

>>14030239
IIHS

opinion discarded.

While their test results might be good. Their motivation is to help for profit insurance companies justify their rates and pay outs. so they are always thinking up new tests so cars can fail and get bad results.

>>14030269
You can't disregard physics you fucking moron.
A heavy vehicle will physically throw a light vehicle backwards. That vehicle getting thrown backwards exposes the occupants to higher G forces. Those high G forces and the sudden change in direction can tear the arteries on your heart clean open and make you bleed out near instantly.

>>14030239
>even turning road safety into an arms race
how very american

>>14030217
This, cant wait for thinner a pillars

>>14029934
That would be awesome.
Their boobaru kit looks neat too.

>>14030326
That thing looks pretty damn slick. And its quite a bit cheaper. But I think Ill save a few more years for the GTM.

>>14028955
Yes you massive faggot. That's not the way aluminum is spelled. And no it is not a regional thing. The element is literally Aluminum and your entire country literally does not know how to say it or spell it correctly.

>calls others uneducated peasants
>doesn't know how to say or spell the most common metal on earth correctly.

>>14030389
no m8

>>14029064
>>14029639

Except nitrocarburizing is a thing, it's cheap, and it's extremely easy to do. It renders steel rust proof to several microns and it increases the surface wear resistance of the steel.

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>>14030186
Tell me more mr engineer.

>>14030402
Yes cunt.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Different_endings
>Davy settled on aluminum by the time he published his 1812 book Chemical Philosophy: "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina." But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, in a review of Davy's book, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound."

So basically the discoverer of the element called it aluminum. Then some butthurt british ringo decided to complain (shocker: a brit complaining about pointless shit and being wrong).

tl;dr brits are retarded and cannot even into spelling and pronunciation in their own language.

>>14030431
>complaining about people saying words differently to him
>complaining about people complaining
>complaining about the English language in English

well, i hope you're proud of yourself now anon

>>14030389

*yawn*
ass mad muslim shit

go home

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>>14030239
CHOO CHOO SAFETY COMING THROUGH
>>14030284
Pretty much.

>>14030473
>A ringo from the former empire that is now the land of the muslim calling someone else a muslim.
Irony.

Go put on your burka and pray to mecha fagg.

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>>14030186

>lower amounts of energy make for worse collisions

>>14030507
You're an idiot. read the thread.

Smaller cars get fucking tossed by larger cars, have smaller crush zones and are weaker overall.

>>14030186
>>14030507
Vehicle weight is a prisoner's dilemma scenario. You're better off both cooperating than both defecting, but defecting is always a better choice for you regardless of what the other player chooses.

>>14030523

>smaller

We are talking about weight you retard, a car with a stronger lighter frame but the same amount of crumple zone is not the same as a micro car - read the fucking thread.
Incidentally. head on collisions at speed with larger vehicles are by no means the most common type of road accident.

>>14030170
because carbon fiber is expensive. This costs less than regular steel.

>>14030575
Not to mention you can recycle it and it doesn't need harmful chemicals like the epoxy resins etc.

I think?

>>14029852
except some other car company will take advantage and cut its own profit margins to beat the other companies on value
and the other companies won't want to be left behind, especially if it's a significant cost savings overall

>>14030873
This
Anon can't into capitalism.

>>14030389
>doesn't know how to say or spell the most common metal on earth correctly.
>aluminum

Funny. That isn't how I spell "iron". Dipshit.

>>14032269
No, Al is more common than Fe. Two seconds in Google could tell you that.

>>14032506
not really. aluminum is far more energy intensive to extract and purify. iron just melts out easily. Also it's more common in the universe in general because it's produced a bunch in the final stages of a star's death, and there's a shitload of it produced by type 1A supernovas

nigga we have graphene now

get that barbaric shit outta here

>>14032661
Most common metal in the Earth's crust is aluminum. Unless you start counting the literally un-mineable core, Al is the most abundant metal on Earth.

>>14030523
>>14030186
The standard American is a fucking moron.

Bamp

>>14032747
More info please?

>>14032763
Lighter cars change direction easier in a collision

Even if the occupants aren't crushed they would experience more Gs than if they were in a heavier car.

spoiler: lots of Gs are bad for living

>>14034080
The car can be as light or heavy as you want, but if the standard American is in the vehicle, it's like a bowling ball in a styrofoam container dropped from 10 feet in the air; the 'fat will contain the most inertia.

>>14037199
that's what he said

>>14037154
this is why road deaths are reducing as obesity increases

>>14028950
Yes Aluminium,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium
Only nations keks to the French can't spell it.

Amerilard versions of metal names:
>Uranium ="Uranum"
>Zirconium ="Zerkonum"
>Sodium ="Sodum"

>>14032661
You fucking retard, he's talking about the earth's crust. Not ease of anything.

>>14034017
On what?

>>14029066
You would not want to make an engine block out of it, you goon.

>>14037267
poor bait is factually incorrect
>heres your (you)

>>14038160
>as opposed to factually correct bait

>>14028996
Aluminum is a shit choice for engines, Iron all the way. Aluminum is just lighter.