The bench racers have won. Almost nobody cares about driving

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>responsive NA engines are going extinct and being replaced by turbo engines

good

N/A is shit


hopefully we will have a future rid of "muh feels" faggots buying overpriced turds because of the german badge

>muh feelz
>muh soul

>>13949501
>muh laptimes I'll never come close to

>>13949512
sorry you're a shitty driver

>>13949477

Twin scroll turbos have made the N/a responsiveness a nonissue due to how low the turbos spool up now.

There is nothing fucking invigorating about driving a manual. Most Europeans know this because they're too poor to own an automatic.

The invigoration always, and will always come from acceleration and g-forces. Rollercoasters are high-adrenaline thrill rides and you literally just sit in a seat and the machine does everything for you.

Why? Because of acceleration and g-forces. The experience of going quickly and having your body pulled to the side as you navigate a corner. That's what sets your brain off.

If you get off on a perfectly executed downshit you're an autistic retard or a baby boomer dipshit pining for days when you could eat bacon and be offended by punk rock.

Fuck off and die.

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>>13949556
amerifat who cant drive manual detected

with ankles this fat, we understand you cannot engage and disengage a clutch

>>13949477
I drove a Turbo NA miata on a sprint track 2 days ago.
Shit was fantastic, wasn't a huge turbo but it meant it was still revvy and happy but with a huge power boost in the mid range.
It was still really linear as well.

The only factor in which that car was worse than an N/A version is that it uses more fuel.

Forced induction doesn't make a peppy responsive engine less responsive or peppy, it just gives it a power boost at certain rev ranges which by comparison makes the times when its off boost and behaving like it did when it was N/A seem super shit and slow.

Go drive some cars you fucktard because you know nothing.

>>13949477
Come to america all your fast cars have manuals

>>13949501
>>13949487
>>13949522
>>13949556
Bait
>>13949573
This, OP probably means poorly calibrated electronic throttles.

>>13949556
Doing a smooth as fuck heel toe down shift is invigorating as fuck.
The feeling of manually rowing through gears is invigorating as fuck.

Holding your foot down and letting the car do it is not invigorating, nor is pulling a paddle.

>>13949534
you are proving his point.

How many people on /o/ have actually driven a DCT car, 4?

>>13949487
This.

A car doesn't become less responsive with a turbo, it just adds a bigger punch once the turbo spools, that's all.

Fuck NA
outdated
Forced induction is the future.

>>13949477
>tfw bought the last model year before abs/tcs/asm was made standard
>and got manual

Gud feels t b h f a m.

Not like it matters op your poorfag ass couldn't afford a new car anyway, not can all the other le supreme enthusiasts. Market dictates the product fool and you aren't in the market
Enjoy your 2k na miatas

N/A for life
>turbofags

If your engine isn't a v8 and above or a rotary, it has to be turbo or its shit

V8 v10s v12 and rotsry are only acceptable na engines
Oh and motorcycle engines of any kind

This is undeniable fact

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>>13949556
>thinking driving a manual shitbox is the same as driving a manual sports car

what's wrong with you?

>>13951006
high powered n/a inline 6s are god tier

>>13951027
Inline six is pure shit tier

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>>13949477
>he takes the opinions on /o/ seriously

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>>13951066
>those anons who would rather invest their imaginary money when you ask them what car they'd buy for a million

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>>13949477

>manual transmissions are going extinct

lol america

>>13951034
check out S54B32HP, 360hp, 370nm out of a lightweight n/a six cylinder. Literally the best i6 ever made

shut the fuck up n00b

>>13951066

STOP
SHITTING
ON
FWD

>>13951144
I just wish you guys would stop calling my EJ1 shit

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>>13951144

Thankfully I'm here to hopefully save the car scene in the future once I swap in a k20a into my civic and supercharge it.

>>13951027
Yeah, no.

>>13951327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdS6Pfwqh7M

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>>13951017
>thinking driving an automatic shitbox is the same as driving an automatic sports car

what's wrong with you?

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>>13951401
>preferring shitboxes with stickers

>>13949556
And yet the viper is faster than all the autofaggotry

You're a lazy cunt who happens to be a shitty driver

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>>13951458
>american buses

All these people who hate on auto, it's easy as fuck to drive, manual is a good weekend car, but why get a manual car when you can get a motorcycle.

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But a n/a, manual clutch car is the king.

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>>13951492
>Japanese "people"

>>13951518
In New Zealand it is more expensive to own a motorbike than car you shitlord. Rego is $500 alone. I drive a Stingray, and for around town, weekday shit I have a 2015 Subie Forester.

>poor
>k

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>>13949487
>N/A is shit

Stop saying that!

>>13951545
n0

>>13951531

didn't know sheep could drive.

>>13951585
you got me so salty god damn

>all these deleted posts

Are mods finally cracking down on shitposting?

>>13951610
Oops, my bad there implying I didn't like it.

Also, automatic transmissions are the best in literally every way in every situation.

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>>13951635
automatic is for kuks

>>13949556
>rollercoasters are only fun because of numbers
Have you ever ridden a decent wooden coaster? Or are you going to say they're all shit and completely obsolete?

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>>13951606
Obviously not, because your post still exists.

>>13949534
Only way to be truly responsive is to use electric motors on the turbos like f1
Lag and spool time both gone

>>13949580
All of this. It's therapeutic and addicting.

>people shitting on dct.

Lemme guess you also hate sequentials?

>>13949477
>this complaint
>brz gets made for you
>no one likes it for the same complaint regardless of never driving it

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>>13949477
>n/a
>manual
>btfos the number cars
based viper

>>13952082
https://youtu.be/6EMleegZQLw

>2015
>not powering your turbo with a jet turbine

>>13952123
The absolute madman

>>13949556
>found the fag who can't into manual

>>13952105
and yet this will be the last generation for it, sadly.
At least that's how it looks like now. We thought the Viper was done before, maybe a second revival will happen sometime in the future.

>>13951017
driving a manual shitbox is so much better than an automatic shitbox though.

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>>13949556
Awesome bait mate! It was really quite thought out and very articulate. I congratulate you and hope you receive many replies.

>>13953518
Every time I see posts like that I know it's one of two things: a troll or a jealous pleb who has never experienced the joy of shifting a manual gearbox.
>>13953626
So much this. I'll happily drive a shit box with a stick.

>>13949477
So when are all you cage fags going to accept the reality that the only things left on the road with a motor in 20 years will be bikes?

>>13955174
It's happening to us too, you know.
Honda has that new bike with paddle shifters and automatic mode.
Electric bikes are semi viable, faggot hippies are choking our motors with pollution controls instead of going after the real polluters.
Irks me a bit desu

>>13955174
>>13955204
Electric vehicles also have motors you plebs

>>13949534
Throttle lag is not turbo lag. Twin scroll turbos spool faster, still have throttle lag.

Go listen to a 787B rev. That's how a proper N/A engine revs. Now go find me a boosted ANYTHING that has throttle response that is anywhere even fractionally close to that.

>>13955762
You know he meant internal combustion you pedantic fuck.

>implying turbos can't be responsive
>implying turbo lag is even a thing in turbos that aren't fuckhuge that you wont find in consumer vehicles anyways

>>13955804
That's not how lag works. How fast an engine revs up while in gear has to do with how much power it makes and how much load it's under. How fast an engine revs up in neutral had to do with how much power it makes and how much inertia it has. Lag refers to how quickly an engine responds after receiving a throttle input. If you open the throttle and it takes half a second for the engine RPM to increase, that's an unresponsive engine. If it responds in only 2 ms, that's a very responsive engine. You can identify grossly unresponsive engines by driving them, but typically you have to use telemetry to compare throttle position vs change in acceleration (jerk) in neutral.

>>13955806
I noticed some definite turbo lag in my friends 01 GTI and that was a little 1.8 liter engine.

>>13955804
Literally anything supercharged

Checkmate atheist

/o/ is full of autistic bench racers that have never been to a track, probably will never go to a track. they never drove till they got their license and decided cars were 'cool'. they didnt grow up with oil and rubber under their fingernails, they didnt grow up watching racing, they didnt grow up racing anything. they will never understand feels, soul, and passion. case in point >>13949501. even though it's bait a good majority of the posters here unironically feel this way.

Don't take anything here seriously.
It's good for talking trash and when you're bored but other than that it's a joke.

>>13955804
see
>>13957138
centrifugal doesn't count tho

>>13957141
Special snowflake /syndrome/

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>>13957141
nailed it

>>13949487
>"muh feels"

Yes so I can drive a 29,000MPH, 11e32nd horsepower hypercar on the street to get groceries and never do more than 80MPH.

Make it fun to drive first, easy to work on second. Numbers are nice but they're not everything.

>>13957141
I'm sorry I didn't grow up as spoiled and privelaged as you but that doesn't invalidate how I feel about cars now

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>>13959237
*correction
actually it does

>>13951505
I've driven manual 99% of my driving life. Driving auto I constantly felt the need to shift myself

>>13949556
Good to know that when you crash and die due to "acceleration AND g forces (lol)" that you'll be taking another torque converter and planetary gear collection with you.

>>13955161
manual trans make shitty car a little more fun

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>>13949477
>we don't have front wheel drives

>implying

>>13949477
B..but the first m3 was turbo'd

>>13960534
>
no it had a naturally aspirated i4 making 215hp

>>13949477
>Megane RS
>Toybaru
>Fiesta ST
>Basically all Mazdas
>Swift Sport
>All those crazy niche things Britain makes out of spare bits of her F1 industry

Stop being such a bloody pessimist.

>>13957141
>loved cars since i could walk and talk

Why am I even here man

>>13949477
I wish the quad turbo 1 cyl SUV shit would just die

>>13949580
you seem easily invigorated ;0

>>13957141
LOL I don't think you realize you impressed nobody and look like a cunt.

>>13960491
pretty ugly and fat.
mercedes b class looks better and looks like a wagon, which is the best form of a car.

>>13960815
>he wants to look nice and impress people on 4chan

>>13960815
And another tick mark I guess, people who do it just to look cool instead of being in the hobby because they just like cars. Outside of stancefags nobody's out there to prove anything to anyone besides themselves.

Na sounds the best, supercharged second, turbo engines lose the intake and exhaust pulse that let you hear all the air going in and out.

>>13949477
The driver's car will always be alive, you're just looking in the wrong place. The driver's car has never been the one with doors and air conditioning. It's always been a niche market for those with just the right combination of autism, disposable income, and balls.

>>13957141
I race. A side effect of this is now I find race cars way more interesting than street cars and can't imagine why the vast majority of /o/ chooses to spend all their hard-earned money on a compromise vehicle. While it's enjoyable to tool around on the streets it's nothing like racing. And while I'll obsess over tiny details that might gain me a tenth in a race car I can't be bothered to give a fuck about street car performance beyond how fun is it to get hectic on cheap tires with.

>>13951087
>not the speed six

>>13962469
>Outside of stancefags nobody's out there to prove anything to anyone besides themselves.
I don't think so. A lot of people are keen to make a thing about how they aren't stancefags and are all about that function.
I think makes them feel less effete.

>>13957595
I'm not tripped or namefagged. I don't get any attention from that post. It's just accurate.
Growing up with racing/engine building/mechanics/etc changes your perspective on everything.

>>13959237
It does though. Maybe not for you specifically, but for the majority of people here it does. We're talking about a good 15 years of influence head start. You can't just make that up in a year of google and wikipedia. It completely changes the way you look at the culture.

To a lot of people a car is just a machine that pumps out benchmarks like comparing graphics cards.
It's so much more than that to a lot of people. It's easy to spot people that don't care you can usually see them bitching about purists or comparing lap times of production cars or bitching about old technology or something else equally irrelevant.

>>13964156
I like you :)