Fwd isn't a downside.

>>13940769
If you have your balls already cut off and no longer wearing the pants in the family.

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I'd generally say it is unless you're rally or ice racing in a 2wd class. It's just always nice to have the option to steer with the throttle. A good chassis is generally more important than the drivetrain, though.

>>13940778
OK kid

>if you live in the snow and cant afford AWD/4WD
>if you dont live in the snow and cant afford RWD

Are there any others?

>>13940792
But you can steer with throttle

>>13940857
*understeer with the throttle

>>13940862
Go back to jalopnik mam why do you have to be this way

>>13940868
You do not "steer with the throttle" in a FWD. "Steering with the throttle" generally refers to controlling how far the ass end of the car is hanging out when loose. It's a useful technique for tight corners, if you need to rotate more you blip the throttle a bit to break the rear end loose. It's not great for time but it will get you around the corner.

Applying too much throttle while cornering in a FWD will lead to the front end losing traction and you will actually be rotating less, so what you want to do instead is trailbrake a bit to load the front end and get more steering grip and/or loosen the rear end enough to make it come around a bit.

>>13940885
Exactly

everyone that isnt ignorant knows this

shame most of /o/ is disgustingly so

>>13940891
So then why did you say you could?

>>13940868
sounds like you're gonna cry kid, fuck off back to /hg/ and have your fwd circlejerk

>>13940901
You can

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>>13940907
But you just said "exactly" when I explained why you can't. Did you even read that post?

>>13940919
You explained the exact process of how to do it
Call it what you want
FR is a gross drive train

>>13940927
I told you what steering with the throttle was and how it worked in RWD. I also explained why it wasn't possible with FWD, because mashing the gas only hurts cornering performance for a FWD car.

>>13940937
.....?

>>13940948
Read >>13940885 again, more carefully. I'm not talking about pressing the accelerator while cornering, "steering with the throttle" is its own term.

>>13940957
Dude I've never seen anyone pretend they're right and argue semantics so much
Just leave the thread

>>13940967
Is this just a bad troll or what? I'm being completely honest with you here.

>>13940974
....

>>13940842
>If you don't understand understeer and and want to insist you can overcome a handling achillles heel with heavy suspension mods

>>13941150
And yet their are fwds faster than corvettes and Porsche's on the track

Stay stupid bud

>>13941166
Not sure if you're retarded and serious or being a le ebin master troll.

>>13941166
And they're heavily modified, never said it wasn't competitive I said it is a disadvantage

>>13941187
The new type R got 7:50 on the burgerking faggot

>>13940769
it's like you do pumps all day.
your belly and legs are still fat.

>>13941166
But are those FWD's built during the same era of those cars you compared them to.

Its not hard to beat something thats several decades old.

>>13941193
That's very impressive, sure, but that's more a sign of technology progressing on a whole. The new Civic has kind of lost the magic of what made the old ones so good, considering the new Porsches and whatnot are faster still.

>>13941198
God damn the delusion is real, 1-6 years old is a decade according to retards

Can't wait for the ctr to hit state side so it just wrecks your shit

>itt people who feel demasculated that fwd is fast or in some cases faster than rwd cars

It's fuckin salty in here

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>this whole thread

>>13941193
doesn't make your EG civic any less slow
>>13941218
>fwd keks needing to compare apples to oranges to make their econobox sound fast

Pound for pound, if you had 3 cars with the same exact dimensions and power, one FWD, one RWD, one AWD, the AWD will be the fastest, the FWD will be the slowest, and the RWD will be the funnest

FF is love, FF is life
Light, agile, and plenty of storage
Traction for those rainy days and snow days

Feels good knowing that my civic is both a god machine on the touge with enough space to pack my whole life up and travel the countryside in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHpSrgHflVI

Get Rekt you RWD fags, explain this.

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>>13941218
Well it's a proven fact that Rwd is faster going up a hill. The only place front wheel drive is any good is in the McDonald's parking lot with some of their food trays under the back wheels.
No ones ever felt demasculated by fwd......trans axles are fuck'n ghey fwd guys just refuse to believe it and rwd guys think it's funny.

>>13941234
>the AWD will be the fastest* off the line
FTFY

>>13941234
Depends on the power level, below a certain point the RWD will benefit more from less drivetrain loss, also depends on how the chassis is set up.
>>13941237
We already told you. Those 90s Hondas are amazing little machines.
>>13940792

>>13941234
The AWD will understeer and suffer drive loss.

So depending on track conditions no, you're wrong. but thanks for trying.

>>13940792
You steer with the throttle in a RWD car too you absolute mong.

>>13941254
That's what I said.
>OP says FWD isn't a downside
>I say it generally is
>I say I like rear/all because you can really steer with the throttle in them

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>>13940885
tfw trail breaking with an aw11

FWD is fucking gay as fuck. It's like fucking a chick with flat ass no titties. It's just missing something. And also I know all you Honda guys think fwd is gods gift to the toegay, but it really isn't cause it has a cap on how much power it can make before it's worthless. Too much power and it's gonna torque steer like shit and also too much power and your gonna be breaking pussy little transaxles all day.
You can run way more power than you ever could through a FR car way more efficiently without torque steer and without blowing transmissions.
Fwd car oversteer like shit. You don't want to oversteer in a fwd car cause it leads to an accident.
They make fwd cause it's cheaper to make cause there is less parts. No rear axle , no drive shaft, smaller transmission, less engineering costs.
I know none of you Sentra ser & Honda fags wanna believe it but I'm sorry it's the truth.

>>13941259
oh my bad nigga my bad damn

>>13941290
One day you'll have to let go of your logitech steering wheel and hold a real one. Talk to me then.

>>13940769
Fwd was literally only designed to streamline assembly and lower the cost of manufacturing. There is no point in arguing its performance.

Ok fwd fags, if fwd is so great for performance what are some performance benefits fwd has that rwd or awd doesn't?

>>13941307
I have 2 one of 500 ever made Nardi very rare "orido style" steering wheels. I have one in my ae86 coupe and one in my 1982 Toyota 4x4 pickup. I rebuilt the 22re with a lcengineering pro head and it rips. I have a 3000 dollar snap on truck tool bill. I actually work on cars.
I drift race my ae86 Corolla and it has a 20v silver top in it. I shit on Hondas and the faggots who think they know how to drive in the canyons.
Some day I will have collected all 500 of the Nardi orido style steering wheels ever made and they will combine into a giant Japanese robot and tell you to stfu you bench racer faggot fwd devotee failure.

>>13941253
Proof?

>>13941333
>what are some performance benefits fwd has that rwd or awd doesn't?
Directional stability

>>13941333
low drive train loss
compact traverse layout due to gearbox position

but none of that has to do with fwd

>>13941407
that's the nicest way of saying lolcantturn i've ever heard

>>13941333
Braking pressing the nose down will give you more grip instead of upsetting it and can take advantage of trail braking, slightly less dt loss and weight, fewer components.

But, it's not. The performance "advantages" of FWD really only apply to spirited street driving, where these things will help you get out of trouble, like if you get a little too enthusiastic with your cornering speed you can hit the brakes without the car swinging around because of the loss of rear traction. FWD also inherently understeers rather than over, which is much easier to anticipate and recover from.

>>13941394
it's common sense.
for one you have a transfer case, an extra diff, 3 extra rotating masses of steel that all contribute to drive loss. and they understeer for the same reason fwd understeers. one of the biggest challenges of awd is getting it to fucking rotate. countless hours of subaru techs at tuner shops getting them to handle like rwd.

now if the track had gravel, sand, dirt, snow, or water on it you'd have a case.

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>faggot nigger kike makes another retarded "hurr durr FWD thread"
>uses the SAME FUCKING IMAGE
>newfaggots on /o/ still reply

fucking faggots

http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/13933816/#13933816

>>13941418
>lolcantturn
I beleive you meant lolitturnswhereitissupposedto

>>13941432
>muh perfect chassis that works without trade offs
dude you need to get into F1, you could decimate all with that revolutionary FF layout

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>front engine rear wheel drive

what do you need that big driveshaft for anyway, compensating for something lol?

>>13941462
>driveshaft compensating for something.

Yeah you could ask an old Porsche fag why rwd fags need a driveshaft but they are all dead cause Porsche rear engine rwd layout is deadly unpredictable. They don't call me widow makers for nothing, but then you wouldn't know that cause you don't actually own a Porsche or you wouldn't say something so stupid.

>>13941485
>deadly unpredictable

the rear end can only go out, that's pretty damn predictable

>>13941510
It's oversteer is very unpredictable when your going 130+ which can be pretty deadly. Just ask Ryan Dunn.

God dammit there's a lot of office chair racer faggots around /o/ who don't know shit. Just cause you have a Porsche in fucking forza you start pretending you know what your talking about.
Kill yourself faggots

>>13941510
I'm sure you think you're the hottest shit since Ayrton Senna, but you would probably wreck a Porsche once the rear end decides to go.

>>13941531
>>13941530

So the rear wheels lose traction. You let off the gas, let the ass end settle, and steer. If you brake or accelerate you make it worse. It's about how you can fix the problem when it happens, and understand what's going on.

>>13941595
confirmed for bench racer and/or troll

enjoy your bus

>>13941595
Once again someone needs to remind you that you don't own a Porsche and you have neverdriven one let alone even spoken to a Porsche enthusiast. Stfu /o/fag

>>13941608
Have you ever driven a porsche though?

>>13941485
where do you get this idea that driving old rr porsches=instant death?
yes they require respect and take a very long time to master but it's entirely possible to drive one around quite swiftly without crashing

>>13941611
I don't really want to drive a Porsche because I know better and I like predictable safe FR layout if you even know what that is. I race cars in networked into the local racing community. I know old Porsche guys, I know people who have crashed Porsches. The old ones are tying to kill you. That's all you need to know faggot.

>>13941622
You just answered your own question.

>>13941626
are you deliberately trying to come across as a beta kek pussy?

>>13941626
So you couldn't handle it. Alright.

>>13941635
difficult=/=impossible
if everyone was as much of a pussy as you nothing would ever get done

>>13941638
Old porsches are know as widow makers. Cause they have an unpredictable side. I could get a 240sx or old FR Corolla that is very predictable and therefore faster to drive on a windy road where in the Porsche your really just dancing with death. If you can't acknowledge that RR layout is a incredibly shitty way to distribute weight and makes the thing a deadly ride then your just dumb.
Get a turbo one to they are really safe to go fast on windy bumpy roads in.

>>13941656
there are people who would rape the shit out of your 240 on said windy road in an old 911.
they got gud, why can't you?

>>13941641
>>13941638
>>13941636
I would love to see you retards drive off a cliff in your RR Porsche trying to keep up with me in my trusty 86 Corolla with measly 130 hp 20v 4age. You fuck'n desk racers suck sooo much dick.

>>13941672
low quality bait

>>13941666
Maybe so but those people aren't you. Youre not Colin McCrea are you? Didn't thin so you desk racer faggot

>>13941462
why not put the engine the other way round ?
its like like the back seats are ever used anyway

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>>13941672
Calm down, Takumi.

>>13940769
How much work does one need to put into their diet and exercise to get arms like this?

>>13941595
>let off the gas, let the ass end settle
lift off hammer head fishtail

>>13941684
its called porsche cayman

>>13941672
>130hp
>20 valve

So your 20 valve is pretty rubbish then, considering the silvertop which was the lowest output 20 valve made 145hp stock.

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>>13941691
become a curl bro and carry and use dumbbells wherever you go
diet ant hard
just eat just eat small portions of light food as you feel hungry rather than going the whole hog and over eating for no reason

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>>13941695
It does make the gear linkage a little worse
so they must have a way around that

>>13941700
yeah its total shit, Faggot. SEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ri_wD7LX-8

>>13941691
eat boiled beef and vegetables
drink protein shake
and roid

>b-but

stop being a faggot

you will get em in like 6 months

>>13941692
If the rear end is sliding, why is it sliding? Because there is either too little weight or too much force on the rear wheels, due to either braking or accelerating. If you're braking in a turn, it's too late, you brought what happens on yourself for trying something that dumb. So you're probably giving too much throttle, spinning the wheels. Just get the traction back without fucking yourself over and it's all good.

>>13941722
fuck off faggot

>>13941722
What the fuck did posting that video prove?

Any car with a 100hp 4 banger and a welded diff that doesn't weigh eleventy billion tonnes could do that, you cockmongler.

>>13941711
Cheers lad

>>13941723
>and roid
Fuck that shit bruh

natty all the way

>>13941722
>240p video
>posted in 2014

>>13941741
enjoy your no gainz

roids are perfectly safe

>>13941741
>>13941736
At least it's a real race car. Not digital save on your ps4 hard drives. I would rather have this ae86 than a RR Porsche Adolfo hitler kill your self Porsche and I could whoop on you faggot desk racers jocking the Porsches they don't own.

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>>13941752
>At least it's a real race car
>I would rather have this ae86 than a RR Porsche Adolfo hitler kill your self Porsche

>>13941747
Where's any proof that all you own isn't just a Saturn ls.

>>13941752
kill yourself faggot

>>13941760
Sorry about your econo shit box auto tragic transmission desk racer life of sarrow and failure. Your butt hurt makes sense to me.

>>13941682
>unless you're colin mcrae a 911 will kill you instantly
i know learning a new skill is beyond you but not everyone is so feckless

>>13941780
People who actually know how to drive rr porches will tell you they can be a handful and dangerous unless they are dumb fucks who don't think. I'm sure you have never raced a car before so you don't really know what your talking about. I would rather choose a car that has at least slightly attempted balance the weight evenly throughout the chassis because it's fuck common sense that that will give you a more stable car at high speed turns

>>13941780
It won't kill you instantly unless your one of you desk /o/ racers. A normal person it will kill after you think you got the hang of it and your not expecting it.
Just when you think you are starting to understand the car and you get too cocky is when the RR Porsche likes to strike. And it hates you and wants to kill you more than I do.

>>13941244
RWD has more drivetrain loss than FWD
AWD is only faster off the line
FWD will never be able to put power down properly

>>13941666
Ferrari is like this as well
call it exploitable insatiability
like how some jet fighters cant stay in the air

>>13941818
40/60 mid engined rear wheel drive master race
ff and fr suck

What's with the huge fwd internet defence force all of a sudden, anyway? I swear a week or so ago the attitudes to it here ranged from "sure it's a disadvantage for the most part, but not that big of one; there have been plenty of great fwd cars" to "hurrr fwd always a shit ur gay if u like it"

Now there's suddenly a flood of people trying to argue fwd is as good as, if not better than other drivetrains? The hell happened?

>>13941872
A certain percentage of the people of /o/ have become VW transgendered , think they own a Porsche , or probably just more euro fags over the last week for some reason.

>>13941888
I think it has more to do with murrkan muscletards finally having their balls drop and growing up.

>>13941872
dunno why but compared to 5 years ago /o/ is at least twice as gay

>>13941335
literally lmao at your life

>>13941426
>i have autism and hate car discussiion

>>13941872
because FWD is just as good as other drive trains? I don't understand why you're pretending to be an oldfag

>>13942606
>talking about last week
>pretending to be an oldfag
lel
>FWD is just as good as other drive trains?
lel

>>13942628
except it is
why should i buy some old rwd shitbox when i can buy a sport fwd 90s car that's way faster and better in every way

>>13941407
Please explain your direction stability

>>13941419
So none of those are performance aspects really, just kinda get dumb asses out of trouble. The rwd counterparts of these aren't really an issue for a performance driver and in the end are better for the track

>>13942636
Because you can't buy a 90s fwd sports car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ZzDVL3Agw

>MR
>GOOD

mein seidens
alfeedazayne

>>13941235
>civic
>good at anything
>not a 140 hp econobox
k bro

>>13942880
yeah ok

Effectively, I think, the relationship runs something like this:

All other things being equal, rwd offers various dynamic advantages in terms of balance and weight transfer and so on. However, firstly, those advantages tend to get grossly overstated by rwdfag benchracers. Secondly, the opportunity cost for them is quite high. If your sports car is based on virtually the same mechanicals as one of your economy cars, it gets to take advantage of some pretty vast economies of scale. You can then use the money you save for uprated brakes, engine tuning, crazy modern e-diffs and all kinds of other stuff.

The upshot of all this is that fwd will often provide much better bang for your buck despite its disadvantages in absolute terms.

and /o/ is the most easily trolled board on this site.

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>>13941335
Tippity top KEK
Nice pasta retard, cap'd for future faggots like yourself.

>>13943059
Definitely

>>13941691
Depends whether you're a manlet or not. If you're 5'8 / some shit tier height, your arms will fill out faster than than if you're 6'0+.

Also depends where you're starting at (fatass, skelly, skinnyfat)

It's because of my dick

>>13941768
>all this butthurt

keke mad he has a shitbox