Manual transmission general

>>13921131
depends on the engine

>>13921131
Depends per car. If you had a dyno, id say run it to redline and see where your power drops off. From there, look at your gearing to see when to shift where it will put you right before peak HP when you change gears. That's when you should shift.

>>13921131
i dont know what engine braking is

>>13921131
typically when power goes down the shitter. Look up dyno sheets for your car.

How dare someone think differently on something

>>13921155
how dare I exercise my free will to judge someone mostly subjectively wrong?

tell me why automatic is better in any way except being lazy
>>13921149
>>13921147
>>13921142
thanks, ill go look it up, though best time to shift would be standard
>>13921147
do you drive a manual?

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>>13921155

Fuck other people and their opinions. Agreeing is for faggots.

>>13921131

Current auto driver, had a manual for years. I miss driving it, my car is boring as fuq now. BUT, I do appreciate the comfiness and ease of driving an automatic, especially when it IS just boring daily traffic. Ideally, you have a big comfy auto thing for commuting, and something fun/manual for weekends.

Engine braking should be done when your current gear starts to get laggy and dull.

Example: you're in 4th gear and start slowing down. Revs drop to 2000RPM and the gas pedal feels dull and less responsive. The gear is too high for the speed you're traveling. Push in the clutch pedal, move shifter to 4th gear, blip throttle, let clutch pedal out smoothly but briskly.

You'll have to experiment to find out exactly how much throttle to blip, and this will vary depending on what your RPM is at when you decide to down shift. Essentially, though, your revs will jump up and the car will rely on natural compression of the engine to slow itself. Some people say this is wasting fuel and puts stress on the transmission/clutch.

Sure, shifting more will wear your tranny and clutch, and brake parts are definitely cheaper, but learning to engine brake/downshift properly is part of driving stick. It keeps you in the appropriate gear for the speed you're traveling at. You can't be lazy when you drive stick, it can fuck you and other people up. The car should be functioning at its best at all times, and being in the correct gear is a huge part of this.

The only real exception to this is if you're driving something like a Mitsubishi Mirage, in which case the car is so gutless and shitty it won't matter what gear you're in. You would also be a massive faggot and deserve to die horribly if you are driving a Mirage.

>>13921182
thought* not though

>>13921131
Stop and go traffic is annoying, period. Anti-manualfags are just further incensed by the fact that manual doesn't let them text while driving

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>>13921182
>>13921131
>this autism

>>13921182
i do drive a manual
what the hell is engine braking

>>13921255
When the engine naturally reduces its RPM and you're in gear, the engine's desire to slow down will "brake" the car.

>>13921255

We're talking about cars, not bicycles. You can't engine brake with a bicycle.

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>>13921266

Unless VTEC has kicked in, then the engine won't brake it will rocket you into the stratosphere.

>>13921131
> autistic about people driving auto
> asks when to shift when driving fast in manuel

Bait?

>>13921266
how do you know when this happens?
when does it happen?
>>13921267
cute

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>>13921270
When VTEC kicks in you're fucked

>>13921201
So you depress the clutch, shift into neutral and back into fourth immediately, then blip the throttle and reengage the clutch? Why not just keep it in gear?

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>>13921284
If you're not giving throttle and you're above your idle rev, then your car is engine braking. If engine braking didn't exist, you would be cruising forever.

I'm assuming you're actually unsure of this so I'm answering normally. If you're rusing, then I hope I help whoever else actually doesn't know this.

>>13921301
And of course, you must be in gear (clutch not depressed either)

>>13921284
>>13921284
>>>13921266
>how do you know when this happens?
>when does it happen?
>>>13921267
>cute
>>13921284

Take your foot off the accelerator whilst still in gear, you are engine breaking.

Most commonly though it's when you would disengage clutch, blip throttle to rev match and down shift, when you reengage the clutch you keep you foot off the accelerator and allow the engine to slow you down. There are a few advantages but mainly so you're in the proper gear to rinse it when you are leaving the corner.

>>13921294

That's surely a typo, 4th down to third

>>13921277
Bait

>>13921131
Automatic is fine. Stop and go is annoying in manual. Engine braking takes skill in a manual.

For max acceleration, depends on your torque curve.

>>13921266
>>13921147
>>13921255

a basic way to put is that you downshift to slow the car down

i have a question
How important is downshifting?
if im in 4th and approaching a stop cant i just brake or coast in neutral instead of downshifting?
not trolling just learning stick and im interested

>>13922160
You're gonna want to at least row through the lower gears. I recommend learning to engine brake though. Don't engine brake with first, just brake all the way to a stop in second and then clutch in and shift to first.

>>13922160

knowing how to down shift is a useful skill. It will make you a better driver all together.

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>tried driving manual
>had RA attack and nearly crashed the car
Yeah, driving manual is pretty difficult.

>tfw stalled the car today and at least 3 people saw

End me /o/.

>>13922197
>>13922214
okay thanks guys, im gonna practice more i just want to be able to downshift without jerking the car

>>13922197
>brake all the way to a stop in second
Won't that stall it though?

>>13922288
Yeah it will, no idea what that kid is talking about. Youd have to clutch in before the car stops and when it starts slowing too much not to stall.

>>13922197
no matter how much I practice I can never enginebrake/downshift from 2 to 1 without a lurch

>>13921131
>got myself a 2015 gti
9/10 cutie co-worker wants me to teach her manual

I want to spend time with her, but I don't want her to ruin my car...she is very simple minded desu

>>13922288
yup. ideally you wanna shift to 1 when you're just about to stop
>>13922411
inb4 she money shifts

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Every yuro grandmas drive a fucking manual
Why can't 'murifats do it too?

>>13922411
Do what I do and offer to teach them if they have their own car. You don't want a woman to have driving your car become an expectation if you actually want it to stay in half decent condition, money shifts and fried clutches aside

>>13921147
when the throttle is closed, the engine will stop burning fuel, and the energy it takes to spin the engine will come from the wheels, reducing the output speed.

>>13922437
We drive manual for fun, you do it because you're too poor for an automatic

>>13921201
> Some people say this is wasting fuel
any car made since the 80s or 90s won't burn fuel when the throttle is closed
> puts stress on the transmission
only if you do it wrong
> puts stress on the clutch.
maybe a little, but not much if you're good

>>13922409

Same here. Even with a perfect rev match, it doesn't matter. It would seem you simply cannot avoid a little bit of lurch.


So rev matching/heel-toeing is way fucking harder in my truck than in the Kia I was borrowing. Not only is the throttle more responsive and backed by a much stronger engine making it so I either over-rev or under-rev (when trying to not over-rev), but it's unforgiving. If I were off by 200RPMs in the Kia, it would downshift without feeling it. But in my truck, it seems like anything off by more than 100RPMs, at most, and it's felt. Also, the pedals are closer and it's hard to heel-toe because of this. Though it might also be because I need new brakes, so I have to press the pedal down a lot more, making the movement to the gas pedal awkward.

>>13922477
says the country of cheap rattling plastic cars

>>13921131
>when is the best time to shift if you're trying to get max acceleration

10-25-35-50, assuming a 5-speed and going up through the gears from a standstill. Power bands on I4 shitboxes are usually 2.5-3.5K RPM.
Most of the time, though, you'll just want to eco-shift. 5-10-20-35 and try to cruise at 40 in 5th.

>>13921131
>thinks he's. a special snowflake for driving standard
>admits that he is shit at driving standard

kill yourself

>>13922535
t. Butthurt autotragic "driver"

>>13922492
>>13922409
I've done it a few times, but you have to be going slow and blip the throttle more than you expect.

>>13922509
>cheap rattling plastic cars
That are faster :^)

>>13922581

If you say you've done it, then I'll take your word. I have only tried a few handful of times, so I don't have much experience. I so rarely need to downshift into first, so I never bother practicing. I'll try it out more though. But first I gotta focus on getting down rev matching into other gears on this truck. Frustrating, since I was so perfectly smooth in that Kia. Then again, I drove that for almost 7 months and I've had my truck 3 weeks.

>>13922581
>blip the throttle more than you expect
I feel like im going to have to fucking redline the thing just to rev match from 2 to 1 at any speed above 7 mph

it just aint worth it except for the challenge

>>13922603
>>13922606

Yeah, I only do it very rarely when traffic is barely moving, and even then it's almost never needed. It's more of a challenge than anything practical.

>drive 370z
>still can't upshifts smoothly
>can revmatch downshift perfectly (no I don't use SRM)

I don't get this.

>>13922620
Upshift*

Also is there a reason it takes an hour for the revs to drop when I press the clutch in?

>>13922620
that's because you're granny shifting, not double clutching like you should

>>13922606
>it just aint worth it except for the challenge

I know what you mean. In the rare instances in which I would need to go from 2nd to 1st, it seems easier to just go out of gear and then slip into first. Still won't be fully smooth, but smoother.

But I will keep trying. I want to be able to smoothly do every aspect of manual driving I will need to.

>>13922613

But that's part of the fun with a manual. You can challenge yourself to do those little, tricky things. And if I were riding passenger in a manual and the driver smoothly revmatched into 1st, I'd be damn impressed.

>>13922620

3 weeks in, I am just starting to get smooth upshifts on, more or less, the majority of shifts. The bite point is so fucking high on the pedal, and my seat position makes a huge difference. I think I finally got the seat right, and am starting to build the muscle memory for the clutch. I just need to be more disciplined with holding for a sec before I let it out.

How long have you had the 370?

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>>13922628

>>13922623

It seems to vary by car. I have limited experience (2 vehicles) with manuals, but the Kia would have a delay of a solid 2-3 full seconds before the revs drop and my Taco drops in a second, at most. There may be nothing wrong with your car.

>>13922492
I've managed the 2nd to 1st rev match a few times at high revs. Other gears you can just sort of be somewhat accurate with the blip and it'll work, but man if you fuck up that 2nd to 1st blip, you're going to put your head into the steering wheel

It is possible though, and I'm going to master it one day goddamit

>>13922636
Had the 370z for a little less than a year. I've driven other manual cars where up upshifting smoothly was a complete nonissue, though

Something I've been wondering. Is it normal to find difficulty in upshifting at low speeds? Especially if you won't be accelerating after the shift?

>>13922652

>you're going to put your head into the steering wheel

Yepp. The feeling of a failed 2nd to 1st rev match is awful.

You'll get it, anon. As will I. One day!

>>13922655

Oh then I really can't say. It's possible there's an issue, but I don't imagine so. Try moving your seat to accommodate the bite point (high bite point, seat a click or two back, and vice-versa) . It makes a world of difference in my truck.

>>13921131
Usually at the fuel cutoff (which is sometimes a little bit past redline). In many engines you’ll be getting less power at 7,000 rpm in 2nd than you’ll get at 5,000 rpm in 3rd (assuming that’s what rpm you’ll be at when you upshift)… but the gearing multiplier usually makes it worth using as much of the lower gear as possible. Gear ratios are easy to find online; even Edmunds.com has them, at least for the Mazda3.

>>13921255
When you let off the gas, your car will slow down. It will slow down more than it would in an automatic – if you’ve never driven an auto, then it’ll feel completely normal to you and you wouldn’t know that it was a thing. It slows down even more if you’re at high rpm, which is why downshifting helps. You definitely want to do it when driving downhill because keeping your foot lightly on the brakes will cause them to overheat and fade. Under other circumstances you should use the brake more. Lighting up the brake lights helps prevent rear-endings, and engine wear is more expensive than brake wear (not that it’s a big deal either way).

>>13922094
>Automatic is fine. Stop and go is annoying in manual
Manual sucks when traffic surges between 1 mph and 10 mph, because 1st gear sucks. Automatics suck in stop and go when there’s a lot of ‘stop’. In a manual you barely need to be touching the brake pedal to stay stationary. In an automatic, your right foot gets a workout.

>>13922160
Braking then going into neutral is fine when you’re stopping. When you’re slowing down before a turn, or slowing down without fully stopping for any other reason, you want to downshift.

>>13922636
one some of the lower HP engines or on ones with dirty intakes you just shift to 1st when close to the idle speed of 2nd because 2nd would just stall out

>>13921131

>Also when is the best time to shift if you're trying to get max acceleration

I think the obvious answer is red line, but it'll depend on how well your engine breathes. If you've got an old 'merican V8 then there's really no point is going past 3K. I usually shift at 2-3 grand when I'm just doing my usual merging onto the interstate. 5-6K if I'm running it like a dog and having a little fun.

>>13922674

Makes sense. The Kia was considerably less powerful and it seemed shifting into first was a bit more forgiving.

>>13922411
>but I don't want her to ruin my car
It'll be fine.>>13922667
>Is it normal to find difficulty in upshifting at low speeds?
It’s a matter of timing. You need to coordinate two separate things:
1. When you upshift at a constant speed, your revs will drop by a certain number. For this example let’s say 3,000 to 2,000.
2. When your clutch is disengaged (foot on clutch pedal), your revs will drop at a certain rate. Say, 500 rpm per second.

For a smooth shift using these numbers, make sure the process takes exactly two seconds.

>>13922709
>he never heard of a money shift

>>13922606
Don't go into 1 when moving ever

>>13922288
>>13922319
Ok, almost all the way to a stop, clutch in just before stall.
>>13922268
Remember to blip the throttle, that will make it smoother.

>>13922727

Why?

I mean rolling in 2nd is real easy with muh torks, but sometimes I'll blip into first in my driveway

>>13922709

I see what you're saying, but it just seems like good upshifting advice. Maybe I'm just not yet disciplined enough with my upshifts to do so smoothly at low speeds. Though I'll think a bit on what you said. It's logical.

>>13922765
It can be hard - I can't get 4->5 right in my Miata, ever.

>>13922781

first to second in my Camaro with the TR6060 will jerk the shit out of you if it's not perfect

I usually shift at low speeds that helps alot with first to second unless I'm at WOT which I bang gears at that point so it doesn't matter. The rest of the gears are fine tho

>>13922781

I can't say I have difficulty into 5th. Of course, being an overdrive gear, it's easier to not notice a bad shift.
But also, while I'm still not where I want to be yet (only 3 weeks with this truck, so I guess it makes sense), I am getting fairly consistent with normal shifting. Just not low speed shifting that requires very little or no acceleration afterwards.

Also, how is a Miata? What gen do you have? I was damn temped to get an NA when I still had money. I may very well get one as a second car one day.

>>13922793

>unless I'm WOT

Would you say it's typical for people to find it harder to shift smoothly when revving like a madmad? Aside from really low speed shifts, high speed shifts are difficult. But I am thinking that's just me not delaying to let it bite because I have FAST on the mind.

>>13922810
if you leave the clutch in too long when upshifting at high RPM's or speed it becomes jerky because the car/bike will slow down quickly

>>13922755
Driveway is an exception I guess.

>>13922810

Gotta watch your RPM's till you're use to it

You're likely just letting your clutch out too long and letting your RPM's drop too low where it jerks. I've honestly gotten a whole lot better over the last year at high RPM shifting, but it'll take practice. Yes it's normal for you to jerk the car when revving high if you're not use to the shift points.

>>13922826

This may be a big part of it. The revs seem to drop pretty fast in this truck, and the clutch is disengaged when at not even 25% pedal in (or so, I haven't "measured" it) so I will be out of gear for longer when I don't make sure I press it in less than logical.

>>13922846

I'm sure I will get used to it after I've had it for a few months. And since this is my first vehicle that's actually got some power, it can be fun to get the RPMs up there. But I'm not used to a redline of only 5500. Fucking trucks, amrite?

>>13921131
Shift points also vary on whats done to your car.
My car says redline is 6800. My car on the dyno holds its peak from 6800 to 7500. I shift around 7500 now with the work Ive done.

>>13922867

What car do you have? LS1 f-body?

>>13922899

Nah, an '04 Tacoma with the V6.

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>>13922810
>Also, how is a Miata?
Pretty awesome as long as you avoid drag races. Okay, they’re also very loud (top up or down), rough-riding, poor on storage space and cupholder placement, and unless you get an ND, the mileage sucks. I get 21-22 mpg despite only having 142 hp.

I have an NB with TEIN coilovers, no power mods. It’s a 6-speed (most are 5), which means I’m at 3800 rpm at 80 mph instead of 4200. It’s also supposedly better for boost than the 5-speed. Other than that, the 5-speed is better because it’s the smoothest, most pleasant transmission in the world. If you ever get a 6-speed NA or NB, be sure to replace the transmission fluid with something like Redline MT-90; it helps a lot, especially before it warms up, but it’s still not as nice as the 5.

I won’t say it handles like a go-kart, because after go-karting my car feels like a Camry. But you can throw it into a corner with wanton abandon. Do it too hard and the rear slides out progressively – it’s forgiving.

The NA is supposed to be even more fun, but I wanted the glass rear window with defroster for my commute (by now, most NAs and NBs are on aftermarket tops anyway).

I've been driving auto for over a decade now and wanna get a manual car but I think I am far to set "in my ways" to switch effectively.

Any advice going from auto to manual?

>>13923190
Just do it and never look back

>>13923190
you just gotta do it. over thinking it will only deter you. once it comes time to upgrade your car, just buy a manual one. have a friend/family member test drive it and drive it home from dealership/craigslist person's house. then go to a parking lot and learn. it'll take 30 mins to get the hang of it, about a week of daily driving to be fully 100% comfy. The hardest part to get used to is the fact you have to have clutch in at all times when you're stopping. but that'll become muscle memory real quick.

>>13923190
It's exactly the same as automatic after you get used to it.
I don't even realize I'm driving a manual 90% of the time.
And it's always more fun when you want to have fun.

>>13921131
You want to be where the car makes the most horsepower as much as possible. For 99% of cars that means shifting just before redline.

But obviously revving that high adds wear.

google image search a graph of the power band for your car, of HP vs RPM. When the HP starts to drop vs your RPM is when you should shift to your next gear, if max acceleration is your goal

>>13923243
This
The majority of driving a manual is merely understanding how a manual transmission operates
The only thing that takes time is getting faster at gear changes and the other fancy stuff.

>>13923190
I know this feel. This weekend I'll be getting my first manual after driving slushboxes my whole life.

I'm still deciding if I want to drive it off the lot or not.

>>13921131
>tfw getting older and have slight pain in left knee when driving car on a cold morning

How do old people not talk about how absolutely terrifying getting old is?

>>13923229
>>13923247
>>13923243
I have the theory part of it down (and i've watched basically every "how to manual" video on youtube), just no real experience actually driving one. My entire family and all of my friends drive auto too so I've never really been exposed to it.

thinking of doing >>13923279 and just driving it off the lot

>>13923386

I've been having left knee pain for a few months now. But I'm only 24. I don't know if it's related to manual driving or something else. Probably something else. I hope so.

>>13923386
I'm pretty young and get bad joint pain but arthritis also effects basically everyone in my family. It's gonna suck when I eventually won't be able to drive.

>>13923386
i know them feels, my wrists and my right shoulder is fuckt

>>13923386
Roll your knees on a foam roll.

>>13923453
I'm 25 and it's been an on/off pain for the past couple of years. I imagine it's early signs of arthritis. At this rate I imagine I will need a full knee replacement before I'm 45. Maybe modern medicine will be pretty fantastic by then.

>>13923472
How will this help? I've had bursitis from crawling on my knees before. Won't this just increase inflammation?

>people who think clutches should be replaced like brakes

>>13923495
You're basically fucked faggot. Well try it out once see what happens. It hurts like hell when you do it but afterwards your knees feels refreshed, at least for me. You should've used knee pads while crawling. Also my knees were hurting since I played basketball x3 a week and it puts a lot of stress. I started rolling my knees every time after I work out, I can play basketball without worrying about my knees. Also, it sounds like you need to wear knee supports for more physical activities involving your knees.

>>13923108

All in all, it sounds as I'd imagined - which is a good thing. I'm sure I will end up getting one some day. The only issue is funds. I just bought a truck and now ma paying off a new phone, as my last one has lost its ability to connect to towers. Plus, I have some plans for the truck.

One day.

>>13923190
>>13923450

I don't have as much experience as you (about 6 years) but it was also all with automatics. I decided to learn manual because I figured it'd help me get a Tacoma (and I now have a manual Taco) so I figured fuck it. I "learned" in about 20 minutes. Then I drove to work that night. It was rough, and I am leagues better now, but you can do it. It's worth it.

>>13923487

For me, it's not when bending though. It when I'm walking. But mostly only on concrete. I've been working at a wholesale club for 5 years now, but only recently have I noticed it. I think the floor may be getting to me. Perhaps not buying the cheapest insole might help. I thought maybe from my lifting history, but the only knee issue from that is from when I used to do ATG squats. And that's the side of the right knee. Entirely different issue.
But yeah I also wonder if it's arthritis. I don't believe it runs in my family, but that doesn't mean I can't acquire it.
Luckily, the pain is nonexistent when driving. Thank fuck.

>>13923544

I've never heard of using a foam roller on non-muscles. I've never found rollers useful anyway (maybe I have used them wrong?) but it seems odd that it would help a knee. Not to say you're wrong; you clearly have had it work. It's just surprising to me.

>>13923755
Please for the love of god by a good $120-200 pair of work boots. I really wish I had done this earlier. They make all the difference in the world. no other shoe will soak up the harshness of a concrete floor like a quality work boot.

>>13923802

Well I do wear work boots already. But I but the cheap ass Brahmas from Walmart. Idiotically, I have never been able to bring myself to spend any real money on footwear. I have recently started thinking I should, though. Last month, I at least went and looked at pricier boots. Are they really worth it? I'm sure they will last longer but is the comfort that much greater with stock insoles?

>>13923108
>I get 21-22 mpg despite only having 142 hp
Something's not right there m8. You mention boost, so I'm guessing you have a Mazdaspeed NB. Their stock power is like 180 HP. A naturally aspirated miata should be getting around 28-30 MPG.

>6-speed NA
No NA came with a 6 speed from the factory.

>>13923899
I've never even been tempted to wear those cheap pieces of shit, but I loved my danner workman's so much I'd leave them on when I got home sometimes.

My redwings were nearly as good at about half the price though. You can't really put a price on all day comfort.

>>13923899
If there was one thing drilled into my head from basic it's to take care of your feet. Spend money on a good pair of boots and they'll take care of you

>>13924035
A saying I like is to never skimp out on things that go between you and the ground. Tires, mattresses, shoes, etc.

>>13923906
No, I mentioned boost as something the 6-speed is better at taking than the 5. I don't have any of it. But I don't think I'd get 28-30mpg even if I drove like a sane person. Back when I drove more freeway miles I was still getting only 24-25 mpg.

Didn't realize the NA never got a 6-speed, thanks for catching that.

>>13923964

I've heard this similar thought from plenty of people. I'm just cheap with most things. But I've got to allow myself to learn the difference between what things to buy cheap and which to spend more on for good reasons and have them last longer. Hard to break away from the ways of my low class upbringing.

>>13924049

I quite like this saying. I will keep that in mind.

>>13922160
>>13922197
Currently trying to learn/practice engine braking before coming to a stop but I don't think I'm really getting it.

For instance, a four way stop on my way home from work. I'm approaching at 40 mph in fourth gear, downshift and start to slow down. Normally I would do the same thing into second, then slowly roll through the stop and make my right turn. $150 to the state later, I've been coming to a complete stop.

My problem comes trying to shift into first before I stop, by the time I get into first I'm still going to fast and have to put the clutch in and brake. At that point it's easier to just shift to neutral and brake normally. Is there a way to work my way down through the gears faster, is it just going to take more practice?

>>13924487

When it comes to first, you rarely need to downshift into it. Especially when stopping. Just neutral and stop normally. Then into 1st and proceed. You seem to have it right otherwise. Just make sure you learn to rev match too. Smooth down shifts and is nicer on the trans.

>>13924487
>>13924530

To elaborate, the only times I ever feel that I need to down shift into 1st gear are certain instances of slow traffic.

>>13924530
The miata has been extremely forgiving to drive so far. For the most part all of my down shifts are perfectly smooth, with the exception of going into first which it never really wants to take except from a full stop. I'll just save it for after I've stopped, that seems to make a lot more sense.

The one thing I don't understanding is shifting into neutral, letting the clutch out and then shifting down. I usually just clutch in, rev the engine up to what feels about right, then shift and it's been perfectly smooth so far.

>I am stick master
>When should I shift

Are you serious guy ?

>>13924572

The latter is a normal rev match. It's what most do. The former, I believe, is what is called double clutching. It's too tricky and a waste of time. Unless you have an old, non-synchro trans, you won't need it. Its only modern use is smoothly skipping gears. But even that can be done with rev matching if you need to.

>>13924610
Yeah, I've always heard it called double cutching, they argue about it endlessly on miata forums. Supposedly, it's better on your transmission, can become useful once you get into high performance driving, and semi drivers use it for reasons. I'll worry about that if I ever have a reason to and just keep practicing what I'm doing. Thanks, VINbro.

>>13924636

I'm sure it has its benefits and applications, even in a Mistake. But in my personal experience, it's not needed. A perfect rev matched downshift is so smooth it can't be felt. I take that as a sign from the car that it's taken no damage. And rarely will you need to skip gears, so I haven't bothered to learn it. It was too hard with no practical application to warrant it for me.

>>13924610
Oddly enough, my downshifts are smoother if I double-clutch. I'm probably going too fast if I rev match without the double-clutching.

But you're right, there's little benefit in it. There may be a little - there are lots of stories of people losing synchos, especially 3rd gear synchros in Hondas. But it usually won't make a noticeable difference. If you aren't in the habit already, don't bother.

>>13924670
>I'm probably going too fast if I rev match without the double-clutching.

Indeed possible. I used to have a habit of rev matching and putting it into gear with a way-too-small delay and it'd be rough. You don't need to delay much but just enough to make sure the revving is completed when you put it into gear.

>>13922409
Only use 1st to get going, you should just slow down in second, go to neutral once you're stopped at say a light, and put it in 1st again to get going

>tl;dr only use 1st gear to start moving from a standstill and then never touch it again until you're ready to start moving again from a standstill

>>13924735

>tfw your tl;dr isn't shorter

>>13924763
It is too
Plus it's easier to read with less technical information so tldr

>>13924784

Ah, 6 words shorter. My mistake.

But yes easier to read, I suppose. But more technical info is better for learning.

>>13922755
First gear is very powerful and extremely slow, and also a lot easier to mess up your transmission by downshifting into it if you're not careful. I've even heard some cars don't have syncros for 1st and you can screw stuff up bad

.....Buuut I mean if you're going up a driveway less than 10mph you should be fine so carry on

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>be me right now
>looking on CL to possibly buy an NA miata, mercury capri, MR2, RX-7, or Ford Probe, because I have a boner for pop-up headlights
>all listings are for FUCKING MANUALS

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>the one time I test drove an NA Miata I stalled it 5 times and couldn't get past 1st gear, and was also sweating in thinking I'd mess up the clutch

>>13924796
I guess I coulda just said "summarized" instead

This board, man

>>13924817

Everyone sucks their first time. Do not use it to judge your performance and future with a manual. I assure you, you can learn it.

>>13924825

Lol I'm just messing with you. I don't usually shitpost.

>Live in NC, just bought 1LE in Philly
>Only drove a couple friends manuals in high school
>Driving back to NC, couple stalls, nothing too bad
> About to get to the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel
>Realize I don't have cash
>Take exit to find ATM
>End up driving around downtown Baltimore in the middle of rush hour trying to find ATM while stalling at every light
>1 hour later I get through the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel
>I literally have PTSD now.

>>13921131
Look up your engine, and shift at the max Hp/kW RPM

>>13922954
Ay you finally found a tacoma? I remember you talking about looking for one

>>13922582
not than a GTR. which is also from a land of cheap plastic cars

>>13925070

Yeah, man. Just what I was looking for. Only took 12months of saving...but I finally got it.

>>13921266
Just say that he gotta take his foot off the accelerator

>>13924817
>>all listings are for FUCKING MANUALS

Where you at, senpai?

>>13921131
>>mfw they say stop-and-go traffic is annoying in a manual
honestly it is. I can manage a crawl pretty easily, but if I'm waiting in a queue it sucks.