What does /o/ think of Porsche? Tbh Porsches are for manbitches

>dat shape
>dat perfect exterior design
>porsche still hasn't given in to the "HURR IM SO FUCKIN CONSTIPATED vehicle design

whats not to like, friends?

>>13864879
I can speak for myself when I say I like them

>>13864879
It's the only supercar brand that hasn't sold its soul. Lamborghini and Ferrari are constantly changing to look new and flashy, often missing. With every new Porshe 911, you can expect the same thing: a RR sports coupe with an unmistakable, traditional, and downright beautiful style. For that I respect them.

Love em'

Only people that hate them are jealous poorfags as far as I can tell.

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>>13864879
>Cayman
I rather get a Dodge if I want to be looking like a faggot.

>>13864898
I meant Prius. Shit.
Also, if I was rich I would buy a stinking Mercedes High Class or something that isn't a waste of my shekels.

>>13864879

Porsche rules.

Cool concepts but shitty engines and overpriced.

i like them but live in the socialist state of australia which taxes them to fuck

>>13864879
You're a manbitch

>>13864902
Toyota & Nissan is for chinkies who haven't gone to school.
>Becasuse they're poor to afford a decent Honda, BMW, Porshe,etc..

>>13864891
>Porsche
>hasn't sold it's soul
>what is the Cayenne
>what is the Macan
>what is VAG

I like 911's and Porsche for the most part, but c'mon. At least Ferrari hasn't made a CUV yet.

>>13864896
I´m a poorfag and i love porsche. a lot.

Porsches are beautiful machines for the discriminating enthusiast.

A Cayman S PDK is probably my next car.

I only ever see fat balding board room types driving them

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>>13864879
Favorite manufacturer by far. They've made RR work despite the naysayers and just keep on building sexy, fast sports cars that stand out from the rest of the Germans.

>>13864960
Porsche's sports cars can still be had in hardcore mode though, which can't be said for Lambos and Ferraris. Sure, Porsche also makes rolling Jewelry for women and Arabs, but that's all Lamborghini and Ferrari make with the exception of a few special editions.

>>13864898
>looking like a faggot
I forgot that the point of buying a car is to prove you can afford the most expensive model from that particular manufacturer. Caymans have fantastic performance (inb4 Murrican drag-strip performance) and a few aftermarket parts can set them up to spank a base 911. It's not like you're going to even touch the flat-out capabilities of a Cayman S on a public road anyway.

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>>13864879
You sound like a faggot.

Porsches are based as fuck.

Also, their unmistakable flat-6 sound is marvelous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-NMJ-LjtPo

they make perfect cars, but I'm into less than perfect

>>13864978
This is true of any expensive car, though. Range Rovers and G-Wagens are great offroaders, but only rich housewives drive them. Lamborghinis are legitimately fast, but the only people who buy them are Arabs who use them as noisemakers, etc.

At least with Porsche the used ones fall into an affordable range for the middle class and the track-oriented models are produced in worthwhile volume.

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>>13865027
they are going to ditch the flat 6 soon
>>13864891
they are stuck making everything look like a 911 as if the 914 and 928 don't exist

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They're okay

>>13865117
>stuck making everything look like a 911

That's an interesting point. Even the Boxster looked a little different when it first came out, but the newest Boxsters as well as the Caymans look like 911's so much. From a distance, if I see the front of a Cayman, it still takes me a second to figure out it isn't a 911. Even the SUVs and the Panamera look like a 911 from the front. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it restricts the designers a bit.

I wonder what the Cayman would have looked like if they didn't stick to that design so hard.

They're good. I have a Boxster GTS.

>tfw got the last model with manual and a naturally aspirated flat 6
>engine sounds incredible
>the new model will be turbo 6 (like the new 911) or worse still a turbo 4
>will sound like shit

>>13865204
It's because no one wants to spend Porsche money for something that doesn't immediately look like a Porsche to other plebs. 99% of the people who buy them do it for the status.

>>13865117
Do you remember what happened the last time they tried to deviate from the 911 formula with the 996?

>>13865243
This monstrosity
>>13865181

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>>13865243
>996
they messed up the head lights a little
>>13865208
>or worse still a turbo 4
i've been hearing mummers about only the gt models keeping the H6

>>13865204
Have to agree with this, the caymans shape kind of defeats the point of the mid-engine.

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>>13865413
>>13865323
>>13865243
Why does everybody hate the 996 so much? Is it mainly just the headlights?

I saw a 996 Turbo driving the other day, and it reminded me that I like how they look. Something about those early-mid 2000s curves and spoiler. Plus the Turbos seem to have a nice fat ass on them.

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Yeah, a Porsche/Beetle which looks the same for 1000 years is exactly what you conservative shitheads want. Suprise suprise. Btw their interior is boring as shit.

>>13865117
They aren't. An engineer confirmed that there will be no flat four 911s. All 911s will have 6 cylinders.

>>13865436
>shitty headlights
>first watercooled 911
>911 for poorfags
>generally a piece of shit

that's why

>>13865914
people put vinyl masks on the headlamps to make them round

>>13865931
Yeah the 996 was just a 'fuck you' for the die-hard porsche scene so basically everyone who bought one was a wannabe for them.

>>13865914
This is a post that everyone should pay attention to.
>subjective
>subjective
>subjective
>unfounded
Cool story bro.

>>13865976
>he owns a 996

top laff

>>13865976
>people aren't allowed to hate subjective things

having autism must be hard :(

>>13865945
probably the nicest to drive of all though but shit build quality

>>13866000
>implying
Cool story bro.
>>13866009
>ignoring the completely unfounded point
Super excellent cool story bro.

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>>13865914
>911 for poorfags
Is that just because these days it is the cheapest used 911 since it pissed off the purists?

>>13865976
I agree with this. Totally subjective for most of the stuff.
>First water-cooled engine
It was bound to happen eventually. Now that they have been water-cooled for years, people aren't so butthurt
>no round headlights
I don't think they look that terrible. Like I mentioned in my other post, I kinda like the whole curvy aspect of the 996's. Especially with the goofy spoiler.

It's probably just my age. Born in 1989, so the 996 was the newest and greatest 911 during the years that I was getting into cars. These days, the cocaine era 930's are my favorite. They are such wild looking little cars, it is awesome. They still had that "Beetle on steroids, HGH, methamphetamine, and kryptonite" look to them.

>>13866024
take you memes elsewhere, 996fag. Are you the one that acted like a millionaire because he bought a shitty used auto 996? Oh fuck, all 996 owners are like that.

>>13866029
>Is that just because these days it is the cheapest used 911 since it pissed off the purists?
Yes. Who do you think buys old sports cars and keeps the prices high?

>>13866031
>memes
I'm not the one implying implications.
>acting out a meme
>claiming others are meme masters
top lel, projectionist.

>>13866039
cool story bro

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>>13866034
Do you think the early 996's will ever be sought after for the same reason they are disliked right now? Because of the fact that it was an all new car and engine compared to the same design that was used for decades before it?

Whenever there is a thread saying "Post cars that will significantly increase in value in the next 10 years" a few people always seem to mention the 996.

I'm just curious about the future of the car and the value. It is a 911, so after enough time, a clean and original 996 will definitely pull some money. But in 30 years, I wonder what will be worth more money and more collectable- a late 993 or early 996, assuming similar trims and rarity.

my mom DD's a '14 c4 cab. for 135k you can get faster cars, but you wont find one that feels better built or handles so well.

>>13866143
The only 996 that will increase in value are the expensive models (they already do just look at GT2/3 or turbo S). Normal ones never will and I'm pretty sure it's always the same guys that post them in these threads.

Why do porsches always burn after crashing? The guy from F&F and jackass guy both burned in porsches.

>>13865914
>first water cooled 911
That was the 993 Turbo and those things go are overpriced as fuck

>>13865945
If Porsche kept catering to autists they would have gone bankrupt

>>13866190
probably because all the exhaust is so near the oil.

>>13864891
>Lamborghini
>constantly changing tolook flashy
That's the whole fucking point of Lamborghini you fucking spastic. Stop posting until you can cars.

>>13866407
The whole point of Lamborghini was to one up Ferrari

>>13866413
And that was achieved, by being flashy

>>13866190
Jackass guy? You mean the 550 crash?

>>13866421
Or you know, fast and not shit

GT4 is overall the best sportscar below 100k

>>13866432
Gearing is too tall

>>13866186
The 993's will probably be mostly the same way until both car models are getting much older and more rare.

My whole point is in the year 2040, what will cost more- a 1998 993 Turbo or a 2001 996 Turbo? I don't know what the production number are, but assuming they're similar, which one will be worth more?

And even with that, maybe by 2040, there are more 996's in good condition since it is a newer body style. So what about comparing a 993 Turbo in the year 2040 to a 996 Turbo in 2050? Which will pull more interest and money at auctions?

And it isn't even so much the monetary value, but rather the collectability based on how car enthusiasts view the cars. When the cars are 40-50 years old, which one will be remembered as having the bigger impact on the auto industry, the 993 or 996?

Are you following me? Not necessarily all about value in $$$, but rather if people will value the 993 for being the end of a generation or rather the 996 for being the start of a new generation?

Just something that has me thinking.

>>13866430
Lambos are flash first, fast second

The Huracan is slower than most every other car it's competing with, but it's styled after a fucking fighter jet

The Aventador (not including the SV) attacks a road like a hammer, whereas the Ferrari's are like surgical blades. The Aventador thus isn't really as fast, but it's loud, brutish, and looks fucking crazy, which are all very flashy.

The SV is an outlier that is Lamborghini proving they can make feats of engineering that aren't all flash.

>>13866440
3 times as many 996s were sold as 993s, and wannabe kiddies will keep the same mentality as old fucks who call themselves purists

>>13866445
You know the Aventador gets some crazy fast lap times, right? Like 3rd place on the Top Gear test track
Face it dude, Lambos are legitimately fast now.

>Ferraris are like surgical blades
You sound like a marketer.

>>13866445
AventadorSV > anything currently made by Ferrari

>>13864879
The last great car company. They haven't fallen for bullshit fad styling, and still try to make driver's cars. They are falling though, the cayenne and fugly crossover I forgot the name of are evidence of that.

I have one.

...and i have a bumper sticker on it!

"My other car is a Porsche"

>>13866454
I was just making an analogy. I fucking hate Enzo "You don't really own this car" ferrari's machines and I fucking love Lambos.
>>13866462
Preach it.

>>13866424
Dunn died in his 911 GT3

>>13866190
They don't. Crashes that make the news are often quite dramatic. High speeds mean fuel and hot engine parts spill everywhere.

>>13865436
kek woman driver

reminder that 911's are a fashion accessory.

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>>13866620
The 4.0RS in this pic was driven by some MILF all dressed up in her tight black business skirt and stuff.

I wanted to ask her to marry me.

>>13866392
>993 Turbo
"no"

>>13866446
>>13866440

The numbers are about 2500 vs 8000 in terms of 993 tt vs 996 tt. Pricing wise it's about 150k vs 45k.

They look like Beatles with body kits

They sound like a minivan or V6 truck, excluding the Carrera and a few very highly tuned models. Porsche's don't sound bad but I'd sure as hell never pay six figures for something that sounds that dull no matter how good it performs.

They make any driver look like a massive douchebag, it's even worse when you inevitably oversteer into a tree and Dunn/Walker yourself.

>>13864891
>This is what Porschefags really believe

holy shit

>>13864879
Pre-water cooled Porsches are god tier, now they're bloated pseudo-luxury cars for rich pussies to drive (or rather be driven in by the car itself)

>>13864971
Do yourself a favor and get a manual, PDK is for fuccbois who don't know how to drive and just wanna show off.

Porsche confirmed for having the worst commercials. They literally have no class whatsoever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGbTmuR1Yog

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>>13866704
I figured there were definitely more 996 Turbos compared to 993 Turbos. So in that respect, I'm sure the 993 Turbo will always be worth more $$.

But the questions still exists, in 30-40 more years, will the 993 be praised for being the last of an era while people shit on the 996? Or will the 996 ever be respected as a big step for the model and bringing on a whole new 911?

Is there a 996 GT2 that had similar production numbers to the 993 Turbo? Will they ever be close in value or no?

I would love to drive an air-cooled 993, and them drive a 996 directly afterward to really see what the difference is. Then maybe I will understand what the big deal is. I'm starting to understand why a more simple air-cooled 911 could be a blast on the track. But then again, /o/ hates power windows and I enjoy my one-touch.

>>13866794

I've driven both and own a 996tt. The 996 turbo is a lot faster and has a better chassis. The 993tt is very loud with poor sound proofing, which I suppose some people are more into. I went with the 996 for the speed/cost/comfort

>>13866620
I bet Sabine Schmidt can drive circles around you in her 997 GT3

>>13866680
The 993 Turbo used water cooled heads

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It's the only VAG brand that I respect and like.

>>13864882
/thread

>>13867024
how hard is it to post some source for you stupid claims you shithead?

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sexy cars

>>13867057
Good is your friend

Alternatively check out any parts catalog like Rock Auto for water pumps for 993 Turbos

>>13867082
Google God dammit

>>13867082
>posts some bs excuses instead of links

fuckhead

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Find a flaw

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>>13867085
>>13867057
Here you go you fucking mongoloid

I hate whiny little bitches who have to be spoon fed

>>13867101
How hard is it for you to post a 993 turbo engine ? I want to see one

>>13867112
How hard is it for you to Google one?

>>13867115
I don't have shit to prove desu

>>13867101
to be fair that was the very last year of 993 turbos that included this (1997), the standard 993 was watercooled.

The first really aircooled standard porsche was the 996.

>>13867124
lol i reversed it.

I meant to say the standard 993 was aircooled, while the 996 was the first to be watercooled

>>13867123
Then have fun being wrong

I love Porsche. I only started liking them not for long and after driving one (991 C4) for the first time. I just really love the suble styling, the feeling of tightness and compactness, the interior, that severely underrated sound etc etc. Also it's rather reasonably to aspire to own one one day, and if not for a 911, a 981 Cayman (GT4, ideally) really makes my heart beat faster. Tl;dr: very well made cars, they drive very well, and are totally not boring. Also relatively affordable, and let's not forget masterpieces like the Carrera GT and the 918 Spyder.

>>13867140
I'm not the one who thinks the M64/60 is a water cooled engine tho

I've always liked them them. The upcoming 911 R seems kinda interesting, and the company wasn't an enormous bitch about their hybrid hypercar unlike a certain Italian manufacturer. Shame about the SUV bullshit

>>13866432
981 a shit

>>13867335
Them is some fightin words around here boy

Be careful

>>13867296
water cooled heads you feg

>>13867340
981 and 991 are literally cancer the generation

>>13865436
intermediate shaft bearing failures

>>13864879

I think its overated, unlike op's faggotry which is very real.

I fucking hate the more recent ones design wise

>>13867088
it's not mine

that's the flaw

>>13866029
my father owns a 996. great car.

>>13867348
>head matter

I guess the 936, 956, 962 and 959 were all watercooled

>>13867362
This, it's the rear main seal that falls apart requiring a new engine or some shit. I don't remember exactly but it's the reason why they cost like 20k now.

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>>13867381
>>13867348
Damn all this hate on the newest models...

I think the 991 looks good. Rear end with the new tail lights looks nice. Only thing I think looks goofy is the new LED DRL's. The 4 white LED's around the headlight. They just look strange. And the base model 991 looks a little bit plain from the side, but whatever.

And the 981, when the Cayman first came out I thought it was a cool idea. A more affordable porsche that wasn't an odd looking convertibe like the early Boxsters. But now the new Boxsters look good and the Cayman looks like a mini-911 that doesn't quite fit in. They could so easily make it better than the 911, but it would fuck their whole business plan. They should've made the Cayman look like something besides a 9:10 scale 911. Put the engine in the front, and actually keep it as a somewhat affordable Porsche ffs.

The Cayenne, Macan, and Panamera are all worse than the 981 and 991. And now I'm starting to see more and more Cayennes that are old and not taken care of and it just kills Porsche's image. That Stuttgart badge on a sun-faded SUV with brake dust all over the wheels being drivin by a beaner.

End rant.

>>13867557
>I live in a townhome and own 2 new Porsches!

Worse than BMW owners, I swear.

>>13867564
>People who like cars buy cars

Not even him but contain your poorfag jealousy

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>>13864879

>>13867529
see
>>13867024
bit too late to come the smart cunt

>>13867583
the 993 is still not watercooled

>>13867557

>I am a tremendous flaming faggot

Fixed that for you

>>13867564
>Has a home and two nice Porsches.

Whats wrong with being into cars?

>>13867600
>this much damage control

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>become fascinated by Porsche throughout the last year or so
>gearing up for a 944 as a first car
>considering working towards a 996, a Cayman or a classic 911 as a future DD

What mess am I getting into, /o/?

>>13868054
They're sports cars so they require more maintenance than your average shitbox.
Also they're German so they require a lot tighter maintenance schedules than Japanese or American cars.
And they're Porsches so parts are expensive.

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>>13868074
I can live with that, anon :3

>>13868088
From what I've heard they're probably the most DDable sports cars.
I've been in a first gen Boxster S once and from what I could tell from that short drive the ride was pretty firm but not uncomfortable.

>>13868097
The 996 is probably more DDable than the average Boxster though? The trunk looks bigger and rear seats are always a plus. Really, I'd get a Boxster over a 944 if it wasn't so impractical, and also probably dangerous for a first driver.

>>13868097
I think what you're referring to is 911s being the only DDable supercars. To the other guy, 944s are unreliable as all hell and will break down fucking constantly, keep another car on standby to drive

>>13868132
>944s are unreliable as all hell and will break down fucking constantly, keep another car on standby to drive
Currently living with parents and they have an average 4-door eurobox at my disposal, so it's all cool.

>>13864882
>what's not to like
Nearly impossible to do engine work yourself? I don't even think you can access the engine bay on a Boxster/Cayman without partially dissambling the car

>>13868256
Pretty sure they have access hatches for (semi-)regular maintenance type stuff.

>>13867556
>>13867362
Literally isn't an issue unless you buy a super low mileage example that has spent most of it's life locked up in a garage.
If the IMS was going to fail, it would have done so by 40k miles

>>13867557
>front engine Cayman
No thanks. I like the idea of an affordable, mid engine flat 6 powered sports coupe

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>>13867600
>is water cooled
>"It isn't water cooled, guys!"

>>13868131
The front trunk is the exact same size. The entire fronts of the cars are almost identical if you're comparing the same generation. The Boxster also has a rear trunk as well as the front trunk that the 911 doesn't have. Rear seats are useless in a 911 unless you use it for storing things and not people.

I daily drove mine and did grocery shopping for a family of 6 with it. It was also my first car that was my own, not dangerous at all.

>>13868256
You can do tons of work on them yourself, they have access panels.
You don't even need to drop the engine to change the spark plugs. And changing the water pump was easy as fuck on mine because of the access panel right behind the seats that lets you get to the front of the engine

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>>13868356
>>13868256
Here's a pic of the access panel behind the seats.
It takes like a minute to undo the back of the convertible top and get to the top of the engine as well.

>>13868356
>changing the water pump from inside the car

That's wild. It's cool Porsche actually made it serviceable so you don't have to pay for 20 hours of shop labor any time you need something routine replaced.

>I'm looking at you BMW!

I drive my dads 997.1 daily and I love it.

>>13868371
That reflects Porsche's attitude for their performance cars, they want to make great cars and not just a profit

>An entry level Porsche is a used Porsche

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>>13865204
>I wonder what the Cayman would have looked like if they didn't stick to that design so hard.

I'd love to see the Cayman and Boxter redesigned so they didn't look like agressive 911's. It's not like Porsche hasn't strayed from their hallmark designs in the past.

>>13868529
I'd really like to see a 944 or 928 successor sometime soon.

>>13868540
>944
968

>928
Panamera

>>13864879
On the one hand they've kind of sold out and have been making crossovers/SUVs for awhile.
On the other hand they seem to be using the revenue they get from their crossover/SUV sales for sportscars/MOTORSPORT, which is cool.
I like them, I like their design philosophy that you should be able to work on your vehicle yourself, and I'm glad that they haven't made the 911 look fucking angry and slapped a huge radiator onto it.

>>13868555
The Panamera has two doors too many though...
Also it looks extremely fat. The facelift fixed it somewhat, but it's still not pretty.

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Since there is already a Porsche thread around, guess there's no point in making a new one to ask this.

Everyone claims that the early 928 is a mechanical hell in terms of reliability, but what about the latter 90s models? Surely a 1995 928 is mechanically superior to a 944, r-right?

>>13868758
Mechanically superior, sure. But it's probably on more reliable because it's newer.
Keep in mind that the design of the car was introduced back in the mid-70s. You're buying a 40 year old German luxury grand tourer

>>13868131
>Boxster
>dangerous

>>13869836
Not just talking about vehicular safety, a lot of my neighborhood is very "multicultural" and a kid with a relatively modern Porscher would be the ideal target. The 944 wouldn't be too much of a hassle, there's one down the road most of the times and no one has tried to jack or vandalize it throughout the last years, but the Boxster is far too pompous to be ignored. Plus, given I'm a college student and most of my classmates drive old Civics and Gulfs, I don't really feel like being the douchebag with the expensive-looking sports car.

>>13870214
Move to a better area

>>13866774
Yeah, I miss old Porsche.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QstV4FFKIdQ