What was Honda thinking to make a economy Vtec?

>>13849094
Vtec was made for economy not power you fucking child

>>13849094
I read it was sales. But that doesn't make any sense. Why would they WANT to intentionally sell cars?

>>13849094
D15b3-stage vtec. Valve closes at low rpms for good economy. Valves fully open at high rpms, and one in between for mid range.


What do you mean? Do you not understand what vtec is?

>>13849113
*D15b 3-stage vtec

>>13849099
sounds wrong to me. i hope you didn't fall for that bullshit

>>13849096
this.

>>13849094
>VTEC was always a solution to help economy and nothing else
>fucking dick sucker tard cunt fag ball muncher

>>13849096
/thread

>>13849096
How stupid are you, vtec was invented to replace the turbo on the race track

>Honda

>>13849096
Most baited post ever posted on /o/

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>>13849096
dont make me have an aspergers crisis on you faggot

>>13852503
>invented to replace the turbo
lmao hahahahahaahahaah Hondafags everyone!

>>13852697
>>13852503
I don't even know whose trolling anymore, but my 210whp all motor car runs high 12s on a 23" slick and gets 24-27mpg

>>13852697
>falling for bait

you are fucking stupid

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>>13852697
Except it was. I'm not even a Hondafag and I know this.
Vtec became available on Honda cars in the late 1980's. Back then, almost ALL of their competition used SOHC 8 valve turbo 4 engines. The only real exception was Oldsmobile's Quad 4 engine that gave the Vtec Honda's a run for their money.

>>13852711
>and gets 24-27mpg
There are engines that produce more HP at your "24MPG" range that get better MPG.
T; your k20a2/z3 exhibits lower thermal efficiency than a Geo Metro

>210whp all motor car
Oh wow that's so impressive. Tell me, what is your BSFC at the peak of your (K20?) volumetric efficiency range?
T; jack of two trades, master of none.

>>13852713
Hondafags, everyone.

>>13852763
>being this fucking stupid

stupid faggots, everyone

>>13852758
>Back then, almost ALL of their competition used SOHC 8 valve turbo 4 engines. T
Yeah, I dont think you know what you're talking about. You realise that DOHC 4v/cyl wasn't a 90's invention, right?

>>13852780
>oh no this guy is ready to rip vtec a new one
>it was trolling all along friend hahaha no need to be serious hahaha just a joke friend relax
Hondafags everyone

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>>13852763
> a geo metro makes more power than a k series

>>13852795
>that produce more HP at your "24MPG" range
Someone's butthurt is interfering with reading comprehension!!

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>>13852794
>make a dumb post
>some autistic stupid faggot gets mad at it

stupid faggots, everyone

>>13852782
I understand that, but N/A DOHC 4V competition was slim back then. Just about everything that competed with the Vtec Hondas was a turbocharged SOHC 2V engine. They lost that advantage in the 1990's. Nowadays Vtec isn't as big a deal as it was back then. Everyone has VVT, DOHC 4V engines with turbo's now and Honda has been sitting in their own little world resting on laurels they no longer had that they now have to play catch up.

>>13852803
>there are 4 cylinder N/A engines that make more HP than a k20a and get 24 mpg

please post them

I want to see how retarded you are

>>13852763
Who gives a shit. I bought it for the sum of its parts. Being N/A and making decent power/weight while getting good MPG is a side-benefit.

I'm sure a Turbo engine can make more power more efficiently. Fantastic. A Turbo Honda is useless if you want to turn though (new CTR is the exception, not the rule) and all motor cars just sing at high rpms. A VTEC Honda sounds like a brass instrument at full bore, more trombone or trumpet. The response is great, and theyre dead nuts reliable (does it have oil? OK you're clear for flight).

If I wanted to build a car that can't turn I would've gone with a DSM or a 4th Gen FBody.

>>13852805
>hur dur VTEC replaces turbo,
>*gets replies"
>hahaha i was being autistic haha trolled you whole time
Hondafags everyone

>>13852812
>4V competition was slim back then.
Was it? Are you thinking of any particular series that 4v/cyl was rare in in the late 80s?

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what if honda made an engine that had vtec kicking in all the time?

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>>13852817
>autistic faggot tought I was serious
>gets mad people point out his autism

autistic faggots, everyone

>>13852826
congrats

you just have an engine with a single profile camshaft, like 96% or mor of the engines out there

>>13852816
You know, that's fine it's your car your preference. Just when I read your post I got flashbacks of tacky Honda ricers that put stickers of their best MPG and ET on their rear bumper above their exhaust, like they thought VTEC was some kind of magic voodoo that had no downside and only upsides. Like who does that? LOL

My hatch makes considerably more torque throughout the rev range, and pulls like fuck up top to 8k, and I can squeeze a fantastic 35mpg with my 0.680 5th gear (5 speed) and all without switching between 2 cam profiles or even cam phasing. But if I ever put stickers of that on my bumper, I want someone to shoot me.

>>13852826
lol that's called 'any given race engine'

>>13852816
>A Turbo Honda is useless if you want to turn though

0/10

>>13849094
You fucking moron, vtec is specifically for economy and low end drivability.
Fucking dumbass.

>>13852874
It's true though anon. It turns into one big game of heat management and replacing broken shit from speeding up a car to 120+ mph then slowing it back down over and over again. Cooling issues until the inevitable head gasket pops, brake fade and melted pads/rotors from trying to slow down a car from 140mph at the end of a straight instead of 100mph (and suspension joints/wheel bearings having the grease in them melt out from the brake heat and cornering/gforce loads) bolts and clamps rattling themselves apart, oil temps getting too hot, etc. And on top you have to run way wider stickier tires (225/45/15? Nah, try 255/40/16 or wider) that cost more money.

The car turns from a willing dance partner to a wild uncontrollable horse capable of chasing down Z06s if you can keep it running.

>>13852913
>feeding the worst trolls i've ever seen

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>>13852913
a b18c will easily hold 300 whp with a turbo and fuel, a k20a will hold 400 whp

>>13852826
They actually make cams like this, called VTEC Killers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paKGg0aElTA

>>13852938
Awesome.

Now take your 400whp engine and put it on a race track. Run it for 20-30 minutes at a time open lapping non stop. I'll wait until you inevitably pop a head gasket, bend a rod from detonation (you'll quickly find out 20 mins of abuse isn't the same as a quick pull or 1/4 pass) or at least turn it into tire smoke and boiled over brake fluid.

Unless you're willing to drop used Z06 money on a 1994 Honda Civic its not happening.

>>13852930
I've got nothing better to do.

>>13852845
Yeah it's 2015 no one does that 2002 shit anymore

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loooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllll

>>13849096
VTEC was originally designed to be able to retain a wild cam lobe with low RPM drive-ability.

See >>13852949 as an example of how a Honda idles in the high lobe cam. VTEC-E was designed for fuel economy.

>>13853065
>>13852961 here, troll pic aside I'd take the Camaro any day. Hondas are a joke. Their only advantage is that they're cheap, simple, and light. A Type R isn't cheap to buy.

>tfw you want a mini-van for various reasons
>tfw you want a Honda Odyssey, but for 15K they all have tons of miles and possible transmission issues
>tfw you may have to get a '12+ Dodge Grand Caravan since newer, less miles, and cheaper, but it ain't Honda

Fuck, my problem sucks. I just wanna be able to lay down in a vehicle and step into it with my tall ass self.

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>>13853506

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>>13853489
>a type R civic is 5k
>not cheap

kek GM kuks

>>13852961
>you have to spend 75k on a civic to be able to lap a circuit for 40 minutes

strong delusions

>>13853667
>a type R civic is 5k

Citation needed.

>>13853506
Don't get a Caravan, my mom has a '14 and its a pice of shit

>>13852711
My 500 wheel c6 can run 10.70s and still get 30 mpg highway.

>vtac

>>13853506
you get an SUV then
or this
>>13853655
I-I-I actually like those...

>>13853728
>big engine makes more power

more news at 11!

>>13849094

Is that a 5th spark plug on that engine

>>13853770
Wat?

>>13853770
You've been rubbing it in my nose since I got here! Your family is better than my family, your beer comes from farther away than my beer, you and your son like each other, your wife's butt, is higher than my wife's butt! You make me sick!

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>>13853785

>>13853824

tbqh i think that's the VTEC cylinder, it activates when VTEC kicks in

>>13853824
That's the oxygen sensor m8.

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>>13853838
no seriously what is it

>>13853770
The O2 sensor?

>>13853722
>>13853732
>>13853655

The Flex? Very nice. I'll look into it.

Keep in mind, an SUV is nice, but I'm 6'4. I want a flat floor to lay down on, and a lot of SUV's don't have flat floors or removable seats. I'll check this Flex out though.

Meanwhile, tell me what y'all know about the Odyssey and Grand Caravan. Any info helps.

>>13853838
>>13853864
>>13853853
>falling for the ol' 5th spark plug bit

>>13853728
>highway

My number is combined with 70% city in a $5000 car

>>13853687
>used vs new
>U S E D Z06
>$20-25k for a C5, $30-35k for a C6 Z06

Race cars aren't cheap, and neither are Turbo Civic time attack cars that won't blow up like a nuke. The Z06 might be a little more money but you're saving time, effort, and youll be able to resell it for not much less than what you paid.

>>13853696
Seconded. As a person who actually has seen EK9 CTRs for sale in America they go for $9000-14000, usually imported through Flordia. Same price as a legal DC2 ITR.

And the best part about the Camaro is that you can take it to the movies without having a gang of Puerto Rican descend on your sweet Type RRRRRRR and its parts end up on a bunch of rotted out shitboxes while you're still watching the ending of Furious 8 or whatever by yourself.

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>>13853877
>flat floor

I think you'll like the Flex, especially if you drive the TT model.

>>13853922

Unreliable piece of shit. Friends of mine won one of these things through a hospital lottery, fucking thing cost them shittons in repairs. I told them to just sell it when they won it and buy something decent, but they wanted to be idiots.

>>13853922
Oh thank you anon. What are Ford's payment plans like? Do they have competitive financing, like say 0.4%APR? What can the Ford offer that I can't get from Toyota or Honda?

>>13853897
>you have to spend 20k on a 5k civic type R to stop it from overheating

ok

>>13853897
>And the best part about the Camaro is that you can take it to the movies without having a gang of Puerto Rican descend on your sweet Type RRRRRRR and its parts end up on a bunch of rotted out shitboxes while you're still watching the ending of Furious 8 or whatever by yourself.

now you have a gang of boomers and brodudes asking if it has stock cams or or new heads

excellent

>>13853933
not usually. ferd credit is usually 3% even with a 700+ score. You should be looking for a credit union.

>>13853931
>costly repairs
>new car
wat

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>>13853931
>friends of mine
doubt.jpg
>hospital lottery
seriously wtf?
>costing them a shit ton in repairs
Warranty?

Anywho, I have more hands on experience than you. So I'll take your bullshit with a grain of salt.

>>13853933
Sometimes they do 0% financing.

>>13853989
Wow thats a deal is there a current promotion for 0%

>>13854006
Is there more than one Ford dealership in your town?

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>>13853989

Friends of mine, yes some of us do have friends you faggot loser. Hospital lottery, as in Princess Margaret/Heart and Stroke/etc. lotteries.

Costly repairs in that they won the vehicle, and did not purchase it. Ford did not honour any warranties, because it didn't COME with any warranties. It had been donated by Ford, not sold to the corporation that runs the lottery. Part of the donation agreement is that there IS NO WARRANTY on the vehicle. They figure you're getting a free vehicle, you can pay for repairs.

Which is why I would've sold it, because it's a piece of shit.

Ford shills on this board are really nauseating, it's like eating a dirty diaper every time I come to this board anymore.

>>13853935
A 5k Civic is not making 400-500whp in a car originally meant for 170-180whp, nor is a Civic Type R a $5000 car in America. Maybe in England or New Zealand. And quite frankly you're just delusional if you think a $5000 Honda is going to last making over twice its factory output without at least spending another $10000 on a sleeved and built block with aftermarket rods and pistons, a decent turbo, hours of welding aluminum piping, at least a day dyno tuning it, etc. Just a Hondata runs $400 used minimum. And we haven't touched a single part on the rest of the car. And inevitably something is going to break when you start running the car hard. Cars simply do not last when you force them to make x2-3 factory output. It's a fact of life that /o/ like many novices refuse to believe.

Even in Japan they don't sell cheap because everyone knows you can chop them up and make at least $5000 if not more parting them out and selling them overseas. Just the drivetrain pulls $3000-3500. Type Rs hold value even as parts cars because they're used by amateur rally competitors in Japan as FWD rally cars (ever watch videos on YouTube of Japanese privateer rally racing? Or flipped through option? Tons of Integra/Civics in the 2WD classes).

>>13852814
BMW 3L M54B30
228 hp / 221 ft lbs
25 mpg

>>13853922

Ah, very nice. I looked it up though, and for a 15K budget, I can't get one here in the bay area that doesn't have a crap ton of mileage. I'll try and expand my search, but thanks for highlighting that for me.

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>>13853853
Thsts an o2 sensor that's on top of the catalytic converter. 8th gen r18 civics got two cats and our headers are integrated with the engine for fuel economy

>>13853760
100hp/liter

Isn't that what gets your hondafag dick chubbed up?

Type R's are literally street legal race cars. They'll smoke you any time

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>>13855651
Fastest way 15 seconds of your life

>>13855668
Lmao who the fuck cares about drag racing? Obviously Civics aren't going to be good at that with their 1.6 liter engine. Take it to a track or the touge, you'll get blown the fuck out

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>>13855677
>type R
>1.6
>track
>touge

RU=T8ng

>>13855651
>street legal race cars. They'll smoke you any time

>>13855677
>Lmao who the fuck cares about drag racing?

Perhaps you shouldn't make claims you can't back up, faggot.

>>13855935
>drag racing
>skill

Choose one.
Drag racing is fucking retarted.

>>13855953
>any time
>except this time

You're fucking retarded.

Also.
>drag racing doesn't take skill
Not in your slow as fuck Honda f@m.

>>13853065
>citation for time is Best Motoring 2008 Ep-5
>tfw there's not a single CTR in the whole episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q-9f6kJ7KQ

Is this another false time ruse like the TL vs Cobra?

>>13852938
Tell that to the guys just trying to get stock B-series hondas to survive one day of racing in Lemons.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/lemons-wisdom-vs-conventional-wisdom-17-cars-that-should-dominate-but-dont-camaro-supra-gti%E2%80%94ahoy/

>It doesn’t matter what kind of engine swap you have in mind (we’ve seen every possible combination of B, D, H, and K engine in just every imaginable Civic/Integra), because the rigors of LeMons racing will kill your head gasket. That is, if your red-misty drivers don’t shoot a couple of connecting rods into the radiator first, because Honda engines will spin happily well beyond the factory redline when you need to make… just… this… one… pass.

> The proportion of Civics and Integras that suffer major take-the-engine-apart problems during the course of a LeMons race weekend approaches 75 percent at the more notorious engine-killing courses (e.g. NJMP, Thunderhill). Because of the sheer quantity of these cars, we’ve seen one Civic, one CRX, and one Integra manage to take overall LeMons wins, which means that 20 Alfa Romeos have a better LeMons winning percentage than roughly 500 Hondas.

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>>13856028
>tfw hondafags have been silenced