crossovers

sounds fine to me

>crossovers expected to be the majority of new cars in the 2020s
Says who?

>>13824690
>making shitty threads

That poor doggy

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Crossovers are the most modern and progressive cars.
Get with the fu*ing times. I mean, it's 2015.

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>half of the cars i see on roads today are crossovers
>most are ugly eyesores

Please can good looking station wagons make a comeback, im sick of crossovers

>>13824690

Oh god that dog, reminds me of my blackout drunk throwing up passed out in someone's lawn highschool days.

>>13824749
Wagons are not as safe as crossovers. Not even close.
Would you also please think of all those pedestrians you might hurt with your prehistoric, potentially dangerous vehicle?

>>13824719
Retarded owners left chocolate lying around.

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>>13824749
Yes please

>>13824812

Lmao is that a refrigerator on wheels haha what's wrong with you, it's not 1970 anymore lol

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>>13824690
>turbo inline 4s replace 6 and even 8 cylinder egines,


>Hyundai coming out w/ AWD twin turbo V6 and RWD V8 Genesis Coupes
>mfw

>>13824764

Im sorry you have feel all high and mighty in big safe crossover. Who cares about pedestrians, car design went to shit the second we started thinking of them

How many times must we reinvent the station wagon, just making it shittier each time? Suck it up and buy a minivan if you want the height, people.

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>>13824857
That's some hurtful bait, friend.

>>13824749
this desu

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>>13824862

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SO PROGRESSIVE

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SO MODERN

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>>13824954

Unfortunately with the good news, Hyundai also greenlit this turd for 2017.

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>>13824996
still excusable as long as they're ripening to a based company.

>>13825049
They are ripening indeed. Aren't they making a rotary version of their genesis coupe?

>>13824996
I hope it sells well and inspires another automaker to make something like it.

I recently got into a job with a contractor and I have no need for a large pickup, nor the fuel economy of said pickup. I was looking at Avalanche's and Ridgeline's but they ironically have the same fuel economy and it's miserable.

I wish Pontiac had stayed around long enough to bring over a Ute. I'd love something like that.

>>13825079
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/08/colorado-company-making-american-utes/

>>13824690
>crossovers expected to be the majority of new cars in the 2020s

You say that as if Molly Sue buying a crossover for the family is a bad thing.

You must think Molly Sue needs a 5.3L 4x4 Suburban or a 5.4L 4x4 Expedition.

>>13824996
As long as it's RWD / AWD I'm okay with this

>>13825096
She needs a minivan.

>>13825106
It is RWD and could possibly end up having AWD as an option

>>13825079

>Ridgeline.

Who the fuck buys this thing, honestly?

I test drove one a long time ago out of pure curiosity. I got in there and it has the most ass-ugly 'rugged' interior I've seen in a truck. Seriously, it looks like a late 90s F-150. This was a '11 model.

It gets shit MPG, it has shit performance, shit for size. WHO BUYS THESE THINGS?

>>13825123
Good. Good.

RWD for massive skidz in the winter.
Hopefully you can disable the traction control and stability control with the push of a button. I hate when manufacturers make that shit impossible to disable.

>>13825130
I know a guy that owns two of them.

>I don't know why

>>13825117
Minivans have the stigma of being uncool.

Crossovers are hip.

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>this is the most practical vehicle I have ever owned
>I drive ~100km a day in shit weather 6 months of the year
>on busted country roads with hills and valleys
>animals darting onto road daily

Why the fuck wouldn't I want something like an SUV? And why is everything a "crossover" now? Who gives a shit if it shares parts with a car.

>>13825216
>actually buying a SUV because you actually need a car that does all this instead of buying it and driving it in the city because it's hip

You're part of a minority.

>>13825242

Owning an SUV is hip? I thought it was gay to be honest. But I don't give a shit what people think of me, I'm a badass rebel like that. It's why I drive a RAV4.

>>13825282

It's a bit of a carry over from the 90s. SUVs were THE soccer mom cars to have prior to the recession. Did you not see how many Expeditions/Tahoes/Trail Blazers were on the road about 10 years ago?

>>13825282
>I'm a badass rebel like that. It's why I drive a RAV4.
Shill confirmed

All the sweet wagons are disappearing and coming out more crossover like, I think it's due to crossovers not having as bad epa stuff

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>>13825282
>I'm a badass rebel like that.
welp, you just negated all of your credibility

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>>13825079
>I was looking at Avalanche's and Ridgeline's but they ironically have the same fuel economy and it's miserable.
Fucking Ridgelines. I have no clue who in their right mind buys something that gets all the shit mileage of a conventional half-ton truck with none of the utility that comes with half-ton truck. At least the Avalanche sits on a real half-ton truck chassis and can actually tow a decent amount of weight.

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>>13825347
>>13825300

It was a joke you friendless faggots.

>>13825293

Yeah I guess. I live in an area that's mostly BIG TRUCKS because MUH COUNTRY LYFE, but I do see fewer Expeditions/Tahoes/etc. around.

>>13825187
>Crossovers are hip.
>They have been the defacto soccer mom mobile since the gas crunch hit
In all honesty, crossovers are a thing because in the USA defining something as an "SUV" puts a vehicle into a vehicle class that has less stringent fuel economy and pollution standards than the "car" class has. It's kind of like how USA doesn't get true small pickup trucks anymore because of the CAFE regs.

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>>13825351

When the Ridgeline debuted it got better mileage with its V6 that the competitors did with their V8s. Honda just didn't bother updating this throughout its life, so by the time Ecoshit was introduced they were well behind the curve.

And who buys a Ridgeline? People who want the utility of a truck, without the headaches. They get a reliable vehicle (no, Ford, GM, and Chrysler do not make reliable vehicles, no matter how many times you say they do). They get a box, a big enough cabin to hold 5 people, higher seating position, AWD, and moderate towing.

It's basically an SUV with a box, not a truck. That was Honda's mistake, trying to market it as a competitor to V8 BoF constructed trucks.

I have never met someone with a Ridgeline who didn't like it. The only people who hate them are people who don't own one, and rightly so. Why would you buy a vehicle you don't like? And why would anyone buy a vehicle thinking it can tow 8500lbs, when Honda clearly tells you it can't?

It does what its meant to do, and it does it well. And a 2006 Ridgeline still has far better road manners than a 2015 domestic truck. Lots of people like that.

The level of butthurt that constantly flows from you anti-Ridgeline shills is amazing. It's like

>hey, stop liking what i don't like
>but i like it
>NO STOP ITS TERRIBLE I HATE IT STOP IT RRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13824690
>yfw crossovers are actually good, capable, and practical cars.

>>13824996
>this turd
>implying any manuafacturer actually selling a small truck could be a bad thing.

The market NEEDS a small truck again.

>>13825395
Hey, bro.

The ridgeline is shit. Deal with it.

It's a minivan with a bed.

It's for soccer dads who have lost every last trace of their masculinity to try and recoup some by having a pallatable "truck" they can justify to their soccer mom wives.

It's not a real truck and cannot accomplish what a real truck can. It's a Honda that looks like a truck for people who don't actually need trucks.

It's shit.

>>13825079
Uhhh, Colorado/canyon??

>>13824764
This is bait right?

>>13825399
What can they do that a wagon can't?

>>13825525
>Colorado/canyon??
>Mid size truck that's actually the size of a full size truck and costs almost as much as a full size.

Same story with the Frontier and Tacoma.

There is no small truck on the market anymore.

I.E. ranger, S10, 1g Tacoma, Toyota Pickup, 1g Frontier, Nissan Hardbody, etc.

>>13825187
You're a mom, fucking deal with it.

>>13825552
>Typically larger/more spacious than an equivalent wagon. More passenger/cargo room.
>Taller with better visibility.
>Usually have better ground clearance
>Similar gas mileage
>Easier to get in/out of.

Now explain how they are bad other than "I don't like them".

>>13825399
this

crossovers are about perfect

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>>13825592
Perfection.

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>>13825578
>Typically larger/more spacious than an equivalent wagon. More passenger/cargo room.
Wat? If they are equivalent they aren't larger. Have you ever seen A merc E-class Wagon?
>Taller with better visibility
Implying that's a good thing, enjoy your rollover and shit driving.
>Usually have better ground clearance
Yay, like one or two inches?
>Similar gas mileage
NOPE
>Easier to get in/out of
Okay grandpa

>>13825624
>The things that make them practical don't matter to me so they don't matter to anyone

>rollovers
Except they're not body on frame SUV's retard.

You're an idiot. Crossovers are practical every day cars.
Go form your own opinion instead of lifting it from Top Gear fag.

>>13825604
someone post the juke convertible.

epitome of progressiveness.

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>>13825651
I'll raise you one better.

>>13825395
>Ridgeline owner detected

>>13825473

look at this butthurt

it's so pure

>>13825750
I don't think you know what butthurt is.

It seems to me that you're asshurt because you're favorite minivan with a bed got called out for the weak shit that it is.

Let me know when Honda figures out how to make a truck, lel.

>>13825559

This.

But it's based on market demand. Manlets driving Rangers and such were feeling emasculated by all da big twucks bullying them on the road. Half the Rangers I see now have lift kits and big, offset wheels.

>>13825473

Wipped manlets with nodicks don't buy Ridgelines, they buy gigantic road beasts like the 1500 or the F150 or the RAM1500. They have no say at home, their wife keeps their balls in a jar on the mantle, so they get in a giant truck and bully people on the roads. Your post is objectively wrong, because it's a well established fact that the weaker/cukkier someone is, the more ostentatious and beastly their vehicle will be.

>>13825578
So why not just a minivan?

>>13825831
Minivan's are typically larger/longer vehicles.

Some people don't like minivans.

Why would you buy a minivan when a crossover serves a similar purpose and you like it better?

>>13825762

Except that I said this:

>It's basically an SUV with a box, not a truck. That was Honda's mistake, trying to market it as a competitor to V8 BoF constructed trucks.

Honda won't make a real truck for some time, even the new Ridgeline is slated to share a platform with the Honda Pilot, and it will be a V6 with FWD/AWD. I guess they figure the market is already too competitive, and the fact that they'd basically be obligated to start putting a V8 in their consumer vehicles. They are staunchly against this, for some reason.

>>13825668

I don't own a Ridgeline, I have no use for one. Personally, if I were to buy a vehicle of that cost, size, etc. I would just buy a 4Runner TRD. Better vehicle for the money IMO, if you don't need that open box.

You people seem to mistake one's ability for rational, reasoned thought as a weakness or bias. Sorry you're all products of an American education system. Good luck with that crippling debt and nigger trouble.

>>13825856
>>13825831

THERE SHOULD ONLY BE 5 VEHICLES THAT EVERYONE CAN BUY:

-SMALL CAR
-BIG CAR
-SUV
-VAN
-TRUCK

ONE OF EACH, NOTHING ELSE. NO CHOICE, NO SELECTION, NO MINOR DIFFERENCES ALLOWED.

NO.
FUN.
ALLOWED.

>>13825657
Can someone please shop hot wheels packaging around this turd

>>13825877

well this is pretty much the direction the current car market is heading to.

to minimize risk car brands are more and more syncing their car classes so that in the end every brand is more or less just a different flavor of the same thing to a little different price.

cars get the smart(i)phone treatment.

>>13826107

>cars literally have iPhone shit built into them now

Indeed.

>>13825877
Crossovers are classified as light trucks and you are feeding corporate laziness by buying their way of cheating the system instead of improving fuel efficiency. The crossover trend is also somewhat ruining SUVs, Explorers are fucking car-based now for fuck's sake.

>>13824941
There's a Brabus Smart car, doesn't mean all smart cars are cool

>>13826147
>feeding corporate laziness by buying their way of cheating the system instead of improving fuel efficiency.
More like supporting the skirting of shit, unrealistic statist liberal bullshit laws.

Fuel efficiency will increase when the market demands it. Not because it will give some politicians a boost with their fringe tree-hugging constituents.

>Explorers are fucking car-based now for fuck's sake.
>yfw the latest explorer generations are the best explorers ever made, unibody and all.

>>13826147

Most crossovers are still considered cars here in my province of Ontario. They get blue passenger plates, not the black truck plates.

I don't care about fuel economy. I have no friends or gf, and my only hobby is photography so gas is a minor expense to me. I don't care if I spend 40 bucks a week on fuel.

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>>13825877

Well geez i didnt know i lived in soviet russia

>>13826107
>cars get the iPhone treatment.

Holy fuck if only. Cars would be thin and lightweight. But they would also have only one pedal and be electric with crappy battery life.

>>13826173
>HURR DURR FUCK DA ENVIRONMENT THERE'S LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE THAT POLLUTION CAUSES ANY HARM
>>>1955

>>13825473
>a truck for people who don't actually need trucks
90% of people who buy trucks don't need trucks, so the Ridgeline is theoretically the perfect vehicle for them.

>>13826310
>one pedal
Nah, you hold down a button and say "Siri, take me to a restaurant" and it would take you to a gas station or something.

>>13826324
You have a very naive understanding of how the world works. I'm sorry no one cares about your statist retardation that thinks the government should force people to behave or buy certain ways because you or anyone else thinks they should.

>FUCK DA ENVIRONMENT
Never said that, retard.

>THERE'S LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE THAT POLLUTION CAUSES ANY HARM
Never said that either you fucking idiot.

>>13826325
I wasn't aware that you (or honda) were in charge of dictating what people need or should buy.

People buy trucks because they want a truck. The Ridgeline isn't a real truck, thus people don't buy it.

No one cares whether you approve of how people use their trucks or what you think people should buy or what you think they need.

>>13826342
People buy trucks because they want to feel manly. Almost no one who buys one needs the towing capacity or four wheel drive or anything else a real truck gives you. What they really want is a mommy mobile for dads. So why not a Ridgeline?

>>13826335
>Never said that, retard.
>Never said that either you fucking idiot.

You implied it in your post, don't try to deny it. Fact is that the regulations have helped clear up our air and water, and they've banned the use of chemicals that could (and have) build up in the environment to the detriment of all living things on this planet. Nothing's ever perfect but doing nothing (as was status quo prior the clean air and water act) isn't an option.

>>13826360
>People buy trucks because they want to feel manly.
>hurr internet speculation
>durr people buy things for reasons because I say they do.

You are a child.

>Almost no one who buys one needs the towing capacity or four wheel drive or anything else a real truck gives you.
>What they really want is a mommy mobile for dads.
No one cares what you think people need.

>So why not a Ridgeline?
People want a real truck.
The Ridgeline is a shitty truck.
People don't want to buy a shitty truck.
That's why they don't buy Ridgelines.

>>13826364
>>13826364
>You implied it in your post, don't try to deny it.

I implied that market change is motivated by market pressures. Not by feel-good retards and politics.

>>13826335
We get ONE planet Earth. Once it's too fucked up to support life it's game over, period. I'm sorry that people like you are too selfish to accept that.

>>13826378
>We get ONE planet Earth.
Cool buzz line. Let me know what other ones you pulled off the greenpeace website.

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>mfw wagons got a stigma and got left behind for SUVs, mfw minivans got a stigma and got left behind for SUVs, mfw SUVs got a stigma and got left behind for crossovers, mfw people think crossovers aren't mommymobiles when they're driving this decade's minivan

>>13826382
>hurr durr buzz line
>Implying it's not true

>>13826419
>derp stating the obvious is somehow meaningful or insightful

We have ONE solar system, faggot.

Went with parents to look at cars yesterday, since their lease is up soon, and don't know about cars. Was going to a Mazda dealership to look around, parents stopped at a Chevy, and are now interested in the Equinox, and are going for a test ride tomorrow.

>>13826370
Hurts to be wrong, eh?

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>>13826432

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>>13826432

Actually, we have billions.

>>13825123
Citation needed
>inb4 it turns out to be FWD or FWD-biased AWD

>>13826522
>we have billions
We don't have what we don't occupy

>>13826492
>I have an opinion so you're wrong.

You are an idiot.

>>13826522
That's like saying you own all the hydrogen in the universe.

>>13826538
You make a good point, but if things really do start to go south here I think space colonization might start seeing more money go its way. We'd really need some sort of FTL drive though to make anything possible.

>>13826578
Or we could pull our collective heads out of our asses and stop driving ourselves to extinction.

>>13826569

>implying I don't


Fucking heretics.

>>13825559
>>13825821
Um no. Those size trucks will never exist again due to CAFE laws. This is common knowledge.

>americans

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>>13824690
I don't understand the butthurt around number of cylinders. I have a 4 cylinder engine with ~250HP, and it drives like a rocketship compared to the V8 1985 380SL @ 218hp I almost bought instead. Much more responsive, much higher torque, better all around. I couldn't care less that they achieved the same with 4 cylinders that they did with 8 30 years ago.

Why is everyone so buttfrustrated about this? Pic related, cure for butthurt.

>>13826411
And now wagons are cool desu

>>13824709
Have you been outside recently?

>>13826754
>more fuel efficient light trucks will not exist anymore due to CAFE laws
>less fuel efficient full size light trucks continue to exist.

wat.

>>13825130
Idiots who think Honda can do no wrong.

>>13827121
Cafe killed trucks like the ranger.

But didn't touch bigger trucks like the F150

Or something like that.

>>13827120
Dammit! Outside strikes again

>>13827121
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/10/how-cafe-killed-compact-trucks-and-station-wagons/

Getting more with less is always a good thing. It's time for the efficiency of the engines to go up. Expect to see solenoid operated valve trains replacing camshafts pretty soon. I saw a prototype made by koniegssegg that used the engine to compress an air tank when it was under negative load (i.e. letting off the throttle). The compressed air inside the tank could be fed back into the engine like a turbo. Really cool stuff coming guys just wait.

>>13827337
>Expect to see solenoid operated valve trains replacing camshafts pretty soon.
I thought BMW already has this on some of their engines

>>13824690
I bought a new Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring in black a little while back.

I guess my only defense is the totally predictable one ... It's somewhere between a small SUV and a car in pretty much every way, so it has some of the advantages of both and blah blah blah ........ you've heard it all before.

I kinda like it, but did I do bad /o/ ?

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>>13828218
Meant to at least attach a marketing photo.

>>13824996
I think it looks pretty neat, and normally I would never consider an suv/pickup.

>>13824996
>this is a small truck in america

>>13828218
At least you bought the good one.

>>13824996
When it's toned down for production, it could actually be really nice.

Need more small trucks. That's not even that small, but it's a start.

>>13825079
> I was looking at Avalanche's and Ridgeline's but they ironically have the same fuel economy and it's miserable.
aye.

Need Ranger sized trucks back. Why the fuck was 3 seats not enough for truckfags with no friends?

>>13825130
250hp.
15 mpg.
kek

>implying normies drive decent cars as it is
let them have their pigfat. 20 years ago it was suvs, 30 brought the minivan, 40 it was station wagons. They'll always find something bad and think its acceptable. Have you ever talked with a normie about cars? Its mindblowing how retarded they are