bmw best

no doubt about it

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>>13824513
'no'

an m6 will rip that in pieces

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Definitely.

>>13824527
thats a very beautiful bmw bike, respect

>>13824513
They suck they aren't reliable

>>13824552
that is very incorrect, please respect BMW

/ / / M POWER

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>willingly paying money for bmw when their superior brother exists

>>13824513
>slow
>unreliable
>overpriced
>insane service costs
>shit fuel economy
>fake engine sounds played into speaker because the engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner

No thanks

>>13824598
slow? unreliable? shit fuel economy? please, re-document yourself

>>13824598
and the part with engine playing into speaker i think you are misleading bmw with renault ))

mercedes benz>bmw>pile of shit>peugot=renault

>>13824630
you are right apart from BMW>mercedes, etc

>>13824598
You're describing a ford bruh

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This tbqh senpai

>>13824707
>overpriced
>ford

I love my e46 - its going to the shop tomorrow to replace the timing chain. It rapes my wallet since i am still at university - but i love it.

>>13824728
Well i don't think Ford and BMW are even targeting the same costumers.
>BMW is targeting people that like beautiful cars and are willing to spend money on it.
>Ford is targeting anyone else.

>>13824728
You're right. It's all cheaply made shit.
Except the GT, GT350 etc etc....
Over priced poorly made cars

>>13824718
You are right my man haha

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even their bikes are shit

the only good thing bmw has ever made is the v10 in the m5

u guys are just haters and trolls, BMW RULE THE WORLD !!! / / / M POWER !!!

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>>13824752
As if you would know.

>>13824755
Just like ford.
Over priced hopped up version of a shitty car.

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Why are you even trying to compare Ford and BMW.
>Not even close to being the same league

>>13824759
I hope you enjoy that beautiful BMW motorbike. Please, dont listen to these mean comments

>>13824779
New 3 series? Looks very nice for the price bracket

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>>13824759
>tfw had a crf250
>sold it bought a cbr600 in 2010
>best fun i've had
>sold it because moved to another country

>>13824779
YOU ARE VERY RIGHT SIR

>>13824759
I have an 2006 Honda Hornet - and i am personally in favor of japanese crotch rockets.
However i sat on a HP4 a while ago and the build quality BMW manages to provide is astonishing. And i am not comparing it to my econo-bike - a friend has a gsxr 1000 from 2010.
You can't even compare the gsxr to the HP4.

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>>13824513

>lolfuelpumpfailure
>lolturbochargerfailure
>lolsmgfailure
>lolpronetofires
>lolbadelectronics
>lolouthandledbygrandpascadillac
>loltrophywifegotocar
>lolworstownerstereotypeinautomotiveworld
>lolnooildipstick
>lolfakeenginenoises
>lolpigfat
>lolservicecosts
>lol15,000mileoilchangesbecausenazijewsdontwanttopayforoilwhileunderwarranty


Best? Maaybe 25 years ago... but now? Not even close.

>>13824783
It's probably an X5 or some other overpriced pointless piece of shit.

The only recent car I want is the M2

>>13824793
kek

>>13824784
Consumer Reports outed themselves with the Tesla. First they say it's so reliable it broke their measuring standards. 6 mos later they say it's unreliable and that they could not recommend it.

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>>13824783
Its the BMW X5 interior.
Care to compare to the marketing pictures from Ford? This is what they manage to put out AFTER optimizing the picture on the computer.
>I chose the new Ford Explorer to compete with the before posted X5 interior.

>>13824798
Check Fords competitor - the Explorer.
>>13824816

>>13824809
>thinking only consumer reports rates BMW bikes as unreliable

>>13824798
Well the interior does look nice, and I think the X5 is fairly decent
>>13824816
They don't sell them here but isn't the explorer supposed to be really cheap?

>>13824837
>thinking web bloggers aren't using consumer reports...just like you

>>13824793
I own a BMW e90 325i its at 70.000 miles now and all i had to do is change the oil roughly every 20.000 miles and take it to the service twice.
I live in Germany though - from what i read on /o/ i get the feeling that americans either fuck up on maintenance or have really bad mechanics.
All BMWs my family owned - especially the 7 i rode in - had no major issues. I don't know anyone that had major issues with theirs. This seems to be an american problem.

>>13824854
YOU ARE RIGHT SIR, BMW RULE THE WORLD ! ! !

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>>13824823
No thanks, I'm not dumb enough to compare a premium brand with a regular one. I guess BMW fanboys are grasping for straws
>>13824816

>>13824851
>motorcycle magazines are web bloggers
>being this much in denial

>>13824870
I AM NOT A BMW FANBOY ! / / / M POWER RULE THE WORLD !!!

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>>13824513
bmw a shit

>>13824873
>never owning a BMW
>staying at a Holiday Inn Express

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>>13824870
Are you trying to compare that interior to the one i posted? Are you serious?

>>13824885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jqll4qQ0w JUST WATCH DIS

BMW's are unreliable. Accept that fact. Paying more for luxury technology doesn't make said technology work well.

Lexus LS400 vs BMW 5 or 7 Series. I bet ill find a more higher mileage lexus than any bmw of that era hopes to reach.

BMWs look so boring. I don't get why people think they look good. There's just nothing interesting to them.

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>>13824870
This is how it looks in reality.
You can say whatever you want - this shit looks dead cheap.

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>>13824879

>>13824914
if bmwS are boring, then what car do u call unboring?

>>13824909
Implying anyone driving a BMW 7 series drives their car for 300.000 miles. Accept it - people just don't give a shit. Its not like the BMW breaks down every other mile. When i have a problem i take it to the shop - pay the price - and enjoy the ride.

>>13824885
I don't like modern Lincolns, but unlike X5's interior, I don't see anything wrong with that
>b-but what
Ho about you start. Oh wait, all you can do is post memes.

>>13824917
Mate, that's a Navigator, not an MKX. And even then, if everything there wasn't so bloody gigantic, I'd still take that over the mess of lines and display sticking out like a sore thumb X5's interior is. It looks like someone took two BMW interiors and slapped them together.

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>>13824928
>illest
>fart can
>stretched tires
stancefags shouldn't be able to afford M1s, this is why we can't have nice things

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Their bikes are like fucking space ships but I love them so much

>>13824947
I mostly agree but it becomes a problem when you get stranded somewhere.

>>13824956
As i stated before you can say whatever you want - i prefer the BMW interior by a long shot.
I guess most people agree with me - or how do you explain the wild success Lincoln has with their cars?

>>13824989
I AGREE WITH YOU, BMW THE BEST

>>13824986
That happened to me once - in a Ford Mondeo rental.
I live in Germany though - its pretty much impossible to strand anywhere here.

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>>13824956
>MKX
Are you trying to make fun of Lincoln? I actually like the older town cars - but presenting an MKX when trying to argue for this brand is embarassing us dude.

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>>13824989
>As i stated before you can say whatever you want - i prefer the BMW interior by a long shot.

I understand -that-.

>how do you explain the wild success Lincoln has with their cars?

Well, their exterior design is probably throwing off most people, their marketing sucks, they haven't came up with anything new for ages, most people think "old people car" when someone mentions Lincoln... interior isn't the only thing that sells cars, is it?

>>13825019
I'm not trying to argue for the brand.

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you have 10 seconds to post a car that can beat the HP4

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>>13824989
Third party here, I like both the MKX and X5 interior, but I prefer jag comfy

And yea the XJ might not sell as much as an s-class but the interior is still comfier, just look at that
>>13825005
Its still an inconvenience no matter where you live m8, I posted before about my 335i transmission but my post got deleted for some reason, both times I had to wait 1 hour, on my way to work

>>13824732
how in the sam hell did a timing chain go out on your m52b25/m52b30? how many miles on the engine?

>>13825034
Yeah that sucks - i have never bought an automatic so i guess a huge chunk of possible problems is cut out.

>>13824947
>pay the price
Exactly not reliable. Repairing it for thousands of dollars is not reliability.

Lexus just need regular maintenance. Not a $2000 Vanos repair.

Remember when E46 M3's and 3 series rear subframes would rip out of the chassi

MUCH RELIABLE, SUPER SAFE

to those complaining about unreliability.
you generally get super attached to your bmw and learn all about it. when something goes wrong you're happy to fix it since its so fucking fun to drive and comfortable and classy the rest of the time.

...this only applies to the e38/e39/e46 and older though, e90/e60 and up lost some of that charm

>>13825041
Its the N42B20 - as i said i am a university student. Its also a touring - since i need the room to carry stuff between my flat and my parents place.

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>>13825034
How long until Jaguar makes a mid-size crossover? Or do they have Land Rover for that?

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>>13825033

>>13825034
i'm actually a huge fan of the XJ interior as well as exterior, it's a damn classy car, believe one of the higher trims has like a 550hp supercharged v8 to boot.

one big issue is that DIY repair documentation basically doesnt exist, and indie shops that know how to work on jags are not common and charge a premium because of that. not to mention expensive as fuck parts

>>13825060
Yea it was auto, the e46 was manual though and when the axle went I had to wait 3 hours for a mate to come pick me up because AA didn't really exist back then in my country

Nowadays most new cars come with packages to come and pick you up when something inevitably breaks which is why I wouldn't even consider picking a non brand new german car

Company Passat engine blew and I got help in a matter of minutes, but it still sucked ;_;

>>13825066
Yeah how about you buy a Golf 2 1.8 liter? It will literally never break. Or even better a Lada Niva - those things are supposed to rust. You can leave them rusting for decades and they still drive.
As i said above - reliability is one argument against BMW - i see many arguments for the brand and their cars hence i buy them.

>>13825067
>you're happy to fix it
Sold you on a nice fucking lie. Be happy paying insane parts prices. Can't afford OEM because OEM is made of gold.

>>13825076
Soon, I had hoped they'd steer clear of the SUV market because land rover but apparently not
>>13825086
I'm waiting for the new generation and I'm going to pick one up brand new as my new car, doubt it will be the V8 though and just like a german car I wouldn't dare drive one out of warranty

>>13825084
Not even close mate. The ZX10 can keep up until the first corner needs to be taken. The HP4 is a street legal racing bike - no chance for the ZX10.

>>13825104
you might be thinking of OE parts prices, the stuff stamped with the bmw logo that you buy at the parts counter of your dealership

OEM is the part sold directly from the manufacturer, before bmw stamps it and adds a 50% premium

OEM prices aren't bad at all, and its usually fine to get junkyard parts which are far cheaper.

>>13825110
>ZX10


that isnt a zx10

>>13825110
Especially the HR2. Too much power - not well balanced.

>>13825099
Plenty of fun cars that don't break. Need special mechanic certification to work on them. Parts expensive. Mechanical design is convoluted (80's 5 series you have to take the head off to change the rocker arm).

your reasoning is "its a good car because I like it"

>>13825105
>I wouldn't dare drive one out of warranty
oh yeah, i keep forgetting those exist.
a 4 year 50k warranty on an xj would probably be around 4 grand or so for a true bumper to bumper warranty. just factor that into your budget and it'd be a real nice ownership

>>13825122
>not well balances

sounds like you are pulling that out your ass

>>13825120
Ofc it is. Its the ZX10 chassis. Just because they don't call it ZX10 to make you believe you are buying an all brand new bike.

>>13825137
No - i am pulling that out of youtube reviews. I guess we both rely on outside sources since none of us owns the HR2.

Does anyone here care that those "hated" german brands invest the premium you pay into developing new techs that get copied by GM afterwards?
You would still drive fucking leaf spring suspensions if it wasn't for foreign brands actually investing in progress.

>>13825131
I'm not sure what you mean, most cars in my country are sold with 5 year and 150k KMs, extended warranties are probably a scam and 5 year is enough for me to make up for the depreciation hit, sell and buy something else, don't really spend money on anything but cars anyway

>>13825138
>its the zx10 chassis
no it isnt

>>13825148
and what review has said the h2r isnt balanced well?

>>13825164
That's some serious apologism, not even american but its a tad silly

And considering I had 2 BMWs that both had major breakage I would rather they had spent that money into making the drivetrain handle the output

>>13825170
HP4 weight - 379 lb.
H2R weight - 525 lb.
MotoGP '15 - 350 lb.

As i said - the H2R is no race bike. Its ludicrously fast on the straight but that's about it.

>>13825165
most waranties are scammy, but trick is finding really really comprehensive ones. they're pricier but they pay for their price difference usually. NEVER buy a warranty from a dealer though, they mark that shit up big time.
I think TotalCare is sort of the bog standard "good" b2b aftermarket warranty

its mostly for trouble free ownership, instead of "oh no something broke whats it gunna cost? how do i diagnose it?" its just "here, shop, fix it"

>>13825211
Some insurance companies probably offer something like that here but most of them will go out of business by the time you get to use the warranty

Like I said buying the car brand new with its initial warranty has been pretty effective for me, BMW dealer refused to change transmission on my e92 335i the second time it went down but I threatened with a lawsuit and they played ball afterwards

Granted you're probably american so the difference in what is here and what is there is so huge I'm just making a reply for the hell of it because I seriously have no fucking idea what you're trying to tell me, like for real

>>13825238
oh, no idea how it works in euroland

>>13825251
Probably the same as in americaland but I'm in eastern yuro

Basically

>go to dealer
>haggle a bit
>give him the money
>he gives you the car or you wait a month until its built
>you get a warranty its been advertised with, no extra charge, included in price

guys please return back to / / / M POWER BMW

>>13825164
The funny thing is Chevrolet invented the MacPherson coil on strut suspension. LOL "copied"

>>13825271
i remember then ///M meant something

>>13825309
Shhhhh germans need validation

Its not like the ''peoples car'', hitlers pride and joy was a stolen czech design because good goy ferdinand was a hack or anything desu desu senpai

>>13825324
too true

>>13824527

Do you wear an orange safety vest?

>>13825348
Don't forget that the sanest german ww2 general chose to drive a skoda because it was a better autobahn cruiser than anything german desu desu

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>>13824793

>tfw N52 stick shift with a warranty and a dipstick and no fake engine noises

feels pretty good, pic unrelated.

>>13825324
Remember when Germans (VW and audi) pioneered putting the timing chain ON THE BACK OF THE MOTOR, and made it last like shit. So advanced. How with japan or usa ever catch up.

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>>13825033

You rang?

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Don't mind me, just changing light bulbs on my pioneering german car.

>>13825402
I think Ferrari actually pioneered that shit.

>>13825165
>extended warranties are probably a scam

I paid $2500 for a four year warranty on my CPO E90, through the dealer. The starting price is like $3200 but they have lots of room to discount.

$200 deductible, I know it's honored by the dealership. It comes with roadside, and if I don't need to use it (lel.) I can choose three refund options.

$1000 cash back
$2000 BMW dealership credit (any dept.)
$2500 towards a new warranty if i trade in the car and get something else.

I had a similar warranty on my mini and it paid for itself and it's nice to have the peace of mind.

>>13825428
I can't here you over the sound of my turbo engine.

>>13825435
Yeah but I don't live in the US and I don't keep cars outside the original warranty anyway (except my work l200 but that's solid gold that never breaks)

>>13825453

I live in Canada, for the record, but yes of course if you don't keep cars out of factory warranty, purchasing warranty coverage for longer than that would be a waste, but if you're keeping the car they're worthwhile. BMW charges $140/h labour, any little problem is going to be at least $700.

>>13825463
I kinda get why you people have a problem with BMW now. $140/h what the actual fuck?
I get my timing chain replaced at the moment with gliding rails included - $600. Why are they fucking you over like that?
In Germany it isnt half as expensive to fix up your (german brand) car.

>>13825463
Yeah I only made the mistake of having one german car out of warranty. Although I wouldn't own most premium brands out of warranty except maybe lexus

Always wanted a 4th gen viper while they were still in production but if something went wrong on it nobody here would be able to fix it, not to mention there's probably 1 chrysler dealership in the entire country that sold a 300c sometime in the summer of 2010

If I ever learn how to wrench a second gen wouldn't be too shabby, cheeky pete and all

>>13825487

It's pretty steep. The dealership is really nice, beautiful new showroom, "free" premium coffee and pastries, track days, free car washes for owners, etc. I imagine the service department pays for the bulk of those perks.

It's a nice place to go though, as far as dealerships go. You pay a premium price for a premium service.

>>13825512
Thats the same here in Germany - "Hello Sir - might i offer you a coffee while you wait?" and so on. Shiny showrooms - i don't think there is any difference between Germany and USA when it comes to that. But it seems like parts and labor is much cheaper here.

>>13825532

I imagine we're just expecting to pay more because it's a luxury euro brand and not a domestic brand, so they get to fuck us a little bit. All the parts have to cross the ocean, etc.

>>13825512
What i might need to mention: Since everyone drives BMW/VW/Mercedes you can go to pretty much any shop you want to - you don't have to stick with BMW-shops. The non non-brand shop i go to for service takes 55€/h of labor. It's a BOSH shop - certified mechanics top notch equipment. I guess Germany is just so car crazy that they ruin their own prices through competition.

>>13825445
I'm not sure what you are implying, plenty of turbo american and japanese cars.

>>13825563
He was talking about pioneering - i thought i should mention that mercedes was the first brand to implement a compressor and bmw the first brand to successfully market the turbo in its 2002.

>>13824513
>E46 320Ci I got for £600 is getting really, really smokey
>Stinks of oil smoke all the time
>Smoke pouring out the headlights
>Mechanic can't find an exhaust leak, has no idea where the smoke is coming from
>MOT is next week, pretty sure I'm going to fail on emissions
>Today, 320d touring parked across the road with "for sale, may trade" in the window, no price

I'll try it if I fail next week, it looks really clean but the mileage is probably galactic

>>13825561
>55euro an hour

Jesus tapdacing christ, I get my car serviced for £20/h at an independent BMW specialist

>>13825572
a few decades after a swiss and american pioneered turbocharging of course

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>>13825572
False

>>13825582
Can you check if you have white "foam" in your oil and or oil in your cooling water?

>>13825598
Your mechanic must be dangerously thin on that wage. That is super cheap. How does he pay all the equipment he needs?

>>13825603
Can't right now, it's bucketing down and dark as fuck. I'll see in the morning though. Oil is dark but no foam when I changed it ~2000 miles ago

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>>13825601
exactly

>>13825610
Everything he has he bought when working at a Land Rover dealer in the 80s, went independent in the 90s and now is fully booked 7 days a week working on BMWs and Land Rovers

>>13825601
Do you want to go down that road? Do you remember Mr. Diesel AND Mr. Otto?

>>13825582
Buy seafoam. Seafoam the car, find the exhaust leak.

>>13825612
I was thinking more like 1920s (can't remember exact years) but this is probably more relevant as its auto related

>>13825620
>Alfred Büchi patended turbocharger in 1905

Sorry germany you're not as relevant as you keep thinking, mind I remind you of the time you stole tatra designs and got sued both pre and post war

>>13825602
>inb4 - successfully
They barely worked on a good day.

>>13825622
I can get Redex right now, Sea Foam looks like I'll need to order it from ebay and wait a week or so

Redex it?

>>13825620
Grasping at straws. BMWfags are so fucking delusional.

We have the americans and the Japanese to thank for turbos, not the germans. Saabs and Porsches were near unobtainium.

280zx offered a turbo trim. Then Starion first affordable turbo standard sports car
Then Toyota and Mazda get in on the turbo gangbang. Meanwhile the Grand National is chewing up Ferraris.

Porsche is just helping by sending rich fucks to an early grave with their WidowMaker.

>>13825619
Well you get a heck of a deal there. I just stick with my shop because its the only shop i trust the mechanics not to fix working parts. Since there is so much competition they fuck you over every chance they get to make an extra buck.

>>13825663

>wanting turbos
>hit gas
>nothing nothing nothing nothing POWER nothing nothing nothing nothing

>>13825639
That's what pioneering is. Not adding retarded features like timing chains on the back of the motor.

>>13825665
Yeah, guy is a fucking wizard. He's 73 and talking about retiring though. Then I'll have to stomach the mainline garage gouging me at £65 an hour

>Go in to get A/C recharged
>£50 for gas, £65 for labour

>>13825650
yup. it will cause lots of smoke out the exhaust so be under the hood while someone revs. Be there as soon as it starts to smoke.

>>13825683
Alright then, I'll get some redex tonight and I'll grab my mate while the suns still up tomrrow

>tfw Scotland
>tfw sun only from ~8:30 - 17:30 and days still getting shorter

>>13825683
I would bet that its a leak around the engineblock somewhere. You should be able to find - and fix it though. Selling your car before you know whats broken could lose you a lot of money. Is it smoke or could it be steam? The coolant can create a lot of "smoke" too, when it leaks onto hot parts.

>>13825705
Pretty sure it's smoke, stinks of burning oil and I know she burns oil anyway

>>13825705
Mechanic would know the smell though. Burning coolant has its own smell.

>>13825428
isnt that a phaeton?

not even a bmw

>>13825716
>>13825718
Okay then. If i were you i would replace the head gasket if you trust yourself to do it. The gasket costs almost nothing and its not that hard to do by yourself.

>>13825722
On a semi related note, who THE ABSOLUTE FUCK even bought a phaeton? I mean quickest depreciating car of all time and you could pay a bit extra for a nice A8 (which also isn't 20 tons) but its still in production which means someone is stupid enough to buy one

>>13825740
Wouldn't I need new stretch bolts for that?

I've got the tools for a head gasket change though

>>13825749

VW stancefags who won the lottery

>>13825722
we were talking about german pioneering.

Friends all paid 4-7 grand for a used base model 3 series.
Slow, cloth used in interior, maintenance sucks balls.

I bought a v8 lexus with heated leather seats for 2

>>13825749
My uncle bought one - fully loaded with the W12 engine. Its getting a little old now but still an awesome car. He bought it for 30k when it was at 38.000km. Best deal ever.

>>13825774
Base models suck. I won't buy a non six-cylinder BMW anymore after owning my e46 318i. Its a nice motor - but the straight six engines are far more reliable.

BMW owner here, fuck off fanboys

>>13825774
exactly my point. lexus v8 build like a fucking brick house. Its the japanese crown vic of reliability.

>>13825789
>but the straight six engines are far more reliable.

and far more expensive

>>13825755
I would get new ones they are not expensive and while you are at it why not do it right.
The point is you paid 600 for that car - if you can fix it you win big - if you cant you lose small.

>>13825803
Over the lifetime you get that back multiplied because you spend less on fixing it.

>>13825789

I bought a base model N52 328xi. It's great, except the stereo is garbage. I'll upgrade it eventually.

>>13825819
vs Lexus V8 nawwwww

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>>13825774
>maintenance sucks balls

Such as what?

>>13825844
Thats not what i said. I compared the 4cyl to the 6cyl BMWs.
But talking about the Lexus v8 its sure as hell reliable but when anything goes wrong i would go bankrupt in Germany since parts are pretty rare and there are hardly any mechanics that know those cars.
On top of that - the e46 drives like a charm. Its by far the best car i drove from that era (2005). Its responsive and sporty as hell. It was in my opinion my best option - especially because i really love the design.
The 318i with 143ps is ofc no racecar - but its a good deal for me since i average out 8L/100km while driving in the city most of the time.