SAAB/VOLVO

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I AM MONITORING THIS THREAD

No but I need a good cheap affordable and reliable car, and I hear SAAB'a are good. Especially the 9-3 and 9-5. So please post away either picures or tales about your SAABs. Or Volvo's. I know some old Volvo's look pretty nice. Don't know about how good they are though. Today I saw a nice old red Volvo like this. Looked nice.

>>13820298
I got mine for $400 but it needed extensive brake work (new rotors, pads, a couple of calipers, and a parking brake adjustment). All that has been pretty cheap since I'm doing it on my own but it needs a fair amount of work if it's ever going to be restored to its former glory.

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I love my Saab but I'm always afraid that the next big problem won't be fixable. So far I've had to splice a wire to bypass the neutral safety switch so my car will actually start all the time, then recently I had to tear off the front wheel well so I could remove the theft alarm as a preventative measure. Other than that I love it.

>>13820298
>reliable
their drive train is reliable, everything else is less so
but they're not hard to wrench on, even if they have some strange engineering

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Does the anon that owns this know if that's the stock ride height? I like how it looks like it's got high clearance

>>13820298
>cheap
>reliable
>saab

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>>13820298
Avoid 9-3 model years 2000-2002, 9-5 model years 98-2003 and you should be fine.

>>13820768
Saab parts are becoming increasingly expensive.

>>13820298
Saabs are good, but if you don't know exactly what car to get then it means you will probably be relyi ng on a mechanic which means you will be fucked and a saab probably isn't the car for you.

That being said, saab 9-5 made after 2005 or 9-3 4 2.0T (capital t) from 2005 are o.k.

>>13822931
Not really, a bit harder to find but not impossible. A saab oem t7 dic can still be had for less than 300 if you know where to look

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>>13822931
What? if anything they have become cheaper

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let me just park my wagon.

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I'd do some pretty insane things to own one of these things in mint condition. I'll just have to settle on buying a 9-5 Aero or a 9000 Aero which are quite cheap in where i'm from...

>>13823129
I want them hoses anon

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My baby.

>>13823775
havent seen one in years

>>13823775
I've never seen a hard top version of these but I'm interested

>>13823775
How is the convertible? I've always quite liked the idea of them, but I'd heard they don't handle.

>>13826440
I really like it. It's definitely not fast, but in my opinion it handles really well for a convertible.

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900s

I'm currently on my second C900 and have had an 88 9000 Turbo. AMA.

>>13826629
Interdesting...

I guess any speed issues can be dealt with just by picking the turbo. Or did you already do that?

>>13826730
Nah, B212, 2.1l naturally aspirated.

>>13820253
They sure as hell ain't catchin no thieves in a goddamn 240

>>13826851
It needs more Nordic power

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>>13823129
t5?
pic related

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>>13826851

They were driving the same cars or worse (Opel Ascona/Kadetts, Datsun Cherry's and whatnot)

>>13827053
your brake fluid needs changed.

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>>13823105

those wheels

>>13826851
>not knowing that Volvos can sink into the Earth's mantle at any moment, pulling everything within 500m into hell
Rookie mistake anon

>>13827111


Wut.

Anyhoo.

Changed the oil on my beat to shit $400 240.

It always runs fuckin great for what it is, but those first couple drives after changing oil are always great making those 4 cylinders just sing.

2.5 exhaust on a n/a 240. Hate on :)

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Posting my old babby in a Saab thread

>>13822931
eeuroparts dot com

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I've had it over a week now, I love it.

Needs some minor work still. Window trim is coming off a bit on one window. The locks on the back doors are sticking a bit. And there's some kind of knocking sound coming from the front-right wheel, I think it might be a bearing.

It's all worth it though, such a beautiful car inside and out, and so much fun to drive.

I just bought a 1988 volvo 740 turbo. Anything I should know specific to volvo or the 740?

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>>13828688

>>13820298
dont buy a GM saab

>>13822848
240 owner here

yeah it looks stock to me, they clear a bit higher than your average modern sedan

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>>13828688
I've had an 89 740 turbo for about 3 months, I also owned an '88 240 for several years. (pic related)

Check the idle control system, mine had idled rough and stalled when shifting (auto) and I found out turbo models commonly get this system clogged.

Be religious about oil changes; the turbo shares the engine oil for coolant, and it won't tolerate dirty oil. Also, use premium. While its not absolutely required, it will reduce the possibility of knock, and is worth paying 20% more (too bad the gas milage of these is not very good)

LET YOUR CAR IDLE BEFORE SHUTTING OFF. Very important, I let mine idle for 10-30 seconds every time. Old any old turbo car, the oil is still very hot when you park, and needs to flow for a bit or else it could literally boil in your turbo.

Having owned both, the 740 is the better more luxurious car, but the 240 feels more solid and uniquely Scandinavian.

>>13829490
Thanks for the advice, it idles fine and I have maintenance records from pretty much new. Is it a good idea to invest in a turbo timer?

>>13823105

hnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg >hernia

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Fuck yeah Swedish luxury

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I just replaced the radiator in my 240 and it was probably the most pain free /o/ related thing I've ever done. A couple screws, like three hoses, and not even a gallon of anti freeze. Slid the old fucker out and popped the new one in. 5 minute job

Pic is how I felt

>>13832813
Just did a radiator replacement on a 850 turbo, also deceptively easy despite integrated oil and ATF coolers.

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MY CAR PASSED CA SMOG!!! Commence the hooning!

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>>13833544
>>13833555
Two in a row sweet jesus

>>13833563
>commence the hooning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTk6YBDo-Xo

nebber 2 oyld 2 hoon

>>13833555
>Commence the hooning!

https://youtu.be/_mCQG3qKF1w

>>13833777
not gonna lie, i cut to the crash.
>the incredible heatness of fire

>Commence the hooning!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq9AY6uyaB8

>>13833555
>babbys first hoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JisLsmBz0I4

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>>13833777
>>13833869

Oh this brings back memories; the amount of Volvos that have been trashed around my parts, how many walks through a snowy field to get the tractor to pull out/roll over my buddys 240 I've taken, how many panels we've dented and lights we've broken

>>13833892
>this hoon's for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn06BFdDejo

Who's ready for winter? Swedish drifting tomë

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>>13834011

Part of why I kinda want to live in Sweden, as for someone who likes cars its just so much better than Norway

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>>13834119
>Schengen Area

what's stoppin' you?

>mfw find a local to me xxxtremely ghey hoonfest preserved for all internet time, no pics or vids

http://jalopnik.com/255058/hoon-of-the-day-bmw-%252B-volvo-thrash-in-redwood-country

>>13834119
Except for all the rapes and africans and stuff

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>>13820298
If you're looking for a Volvo, consider at the 92-98 960/S90/V90 series. They had already switched to the newer, more efficient whiteblock motor but they were still using the older 740 chassis (940 is basically a facelift with 960 and S90 a facelift of a facelift).

That means you have a very basic and easy-to-wrench chassis with RWD and a decently powerful IL6 engine (~190-200 HP factory US spec) running to what is basically a Lexus GS300 gearbox (IE bulletproof).
They don't have the hipster/collector appeal of the older 740s and 240s so they aren't marked up, nobody hoons them, neglect can be a problem (particularly PCV and timing belts) but they are nevertheless plenty reliable. I paid 2k for mine (had to put about another 1k in preventative maintenance/oil/tires) but you could get one for a lot less.

Here's an example. 1,350, smogged, full inspection, no peeling clearcoat like mine has although it's a 200k mile car but for that cheap just run it till it dies.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5300168804.html

How's it run?
Well, land yacht. Feels like a crown victoria. Accelerates pretty briskly and smoothly. Corners surprisingly well. Extremely good turn radius. Visibility also surprisingly great. Safety is outstanding. Mileage isn't, expect 20mpg average, with 18 city and 26 on a long roadtrip (I actually count using the trip meter and I have hit the EPA estimates exactly). Overall I think it's the best car Volvo ever made. Decent power without too much complexity. Good comfy layout. I just wish I had the wagon instead.

how would a 94 940 turno wagon be for a daily driver? i could get one for about $600. had amechanic look at it, and it needs a little work, but mechanically, it's fine. 240,000 miles

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I want my 240 to be about as high as this (probably an inch lower or so). I'm planning in replacing all the coils, shocks and struts because they're all original and sagging horribly. I was eyeing some ipd overload coils for the backs but what should I do for the front? Any shocks/struts that have good value?

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>driving beloved 850
>sitting in stop and go traffic on evening commute
>smell bad smell
>white smoke coming from under hood
>shit shit shit
>pull over to shoulder and lift hood
>white smoke everywhere
>fire starts at front of engine bay
>watch my car burn down while waiting for the fire department to arrive

Feels pretty bad man.

>>13834997
Buy and hoon for much success

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>>13835496
WHAT. HOW.

>>13835496
RIP your glorious Scandinavian warrior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7V-G3PiRUc
NEVAR 4GET

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>spend 600 on Winter tires
>stealership charges 200 for install and allign
>call me up to tell me my brake pads only have a millimeter left
>even after knocking 200 off the price of 4 rotors, pads, install and flush its still 1200
>no way for me to tell if hes fudging and even if he was he could've still replaced them with worn pads fuck ill never know
>spent 25 grand last year just to spend another 2 grand this year
>still no budget for polestar upgrade
>paid CPO warranty for fucking nothing

please end my suffering /scg/

>buy glorious 9-3 from mid late 2000s
>4 cylinder, fwd, manual, turbo
>basically a fuckbois car without the brand according to my brother
>have fun driving a car that actually gets out of its own way for once and gets halfway decent mileage
>buy liter bike, Saab is no longer fast to me anymore
>don't know how to feel

>>13835772
Love that vid. Glorious Swede just will not die.

>>13836421
Saabarus aren't really Saabs.
Sub engine
Sub frame
Saab badge and front details.
That's about it.

>>13836439
What? They share the unibody, subframe, and drivetrain. That's like 80% of what makes a car a car.

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Any love for the S60?

>>13836439
>>13836452

Yeah, I misread your post, sorry senpai. You could probably turn a late 9-3 into an Impreza if you tried.

>>13836452
It's 99% Subaru, 1% SAAB, that's not a SAAB.
The drive train is not found in the XWD series SAABs so the car is a Sub on everything part from badge and front details as said.

>>13836458
Would be extremely hard since the length, chassi, suspension, drivetrain, gearbox, everything is Subaru, so a GM based 9-3 have very little that could work in that body.
Buuuuuut......
This fella makes 9-3 swaps.
Volvo frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDrqSeWTR-o
Viper frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBdg-mDx1tM

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>>13836439
The rear, interior, and wheels are also unique to the 9-2X, and it has the STi steering rack and Saab-exclusive aluminum rear control arms.

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>>13836455
No. Only love for the S70

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Paid $1400 for my '92. Previous owner neglected it severely, and I've been fixing it up slowly but surely while dairying it and using it for courier work.

So far I've replaced
>Muffler
>Steering rack
>ball joints
>Tie rod ends

Engine started leaking oil, so I opened the flame trap and promptly broke the plastic housing, so I just took all that shit out and threw it in the trash until I get a new one, fuck the environment. Immediately the engine was much more responsive and powerful. The old flame trap hoses were completely clogged with shit. Now I'm hoping the crankcase pressure didn't totally destroy the front seals. No matter what happens to this car it just keeps fucking going. Nothing will kill these magnificent machines.

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>>13836614
Same here man, 97 900s was abused to hell. Oil was non existence, tranny got messed up, muffler sounded like a fat can, electrical system fucked up, and radio was locked out.

Everything got fixed in 4 months and the last thing I got to repair is the interior. The cloth is dangling like meat curtians

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>>13837606
Heres the rust pipes

>>13823543
go buy the kit, its cheap.

>>13827053
its the b2T with forged internals and 2bar of boost.

>>13837609
Doesn't look that bad.
That's normal here... where they salt like there's no tomorrow.

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Dat sonett

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My 1,5 metric ton tank

>>13838320
>tank

I think it's more of a groundplane...

>>13838306
I know a guy who has like 3 of these and he won't fix them and won't sell them. Pisses me off.

>>13838320
Love the chrome trim on the C900. My old 900 had it and I miss it a lot.

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>>13836455
Ofc

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RIP Norwegian auto industry, 1956-1958

Shitty government feared Norwegian-made cars would compete with the horrible eastern bloc cars Norway was importing at the time, so there was no funding for the Troll automobile.

You thought the French were cowards. Get a load of Norway.

>>13836614
I know what that's like anon. Mine was owned by a highschool girl for a few years and I'm finding all sorts of chewed fingernails under the rugs and shit. The suspension is dead, the ball joints and tie rod ends are pretty much made out of fruit roll ups, and the engine bay is coated in a fine layer of oil. Runs like a top though since her dad owned a boat shop.

>>13840174
Nice. My ocd wouldn't gel with 2 different shades on the side windows tho, but that's a great looking car anon.

>>13836614
>dairying it
>milking his Volvo

>>13840273
Volvo knows how to get mistreated and love the abuse

Are Swedish cars reliable?

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>>13840448
>love the abuse

i would describe them as idiot tolerant. Mine had a bunch of vacuum hoses hooked up wrong or missing and it ran good but smoked like shit when i first got it. They always drive decent so it's easy to drive them into the ground.

If it's sad it will misbehave and start smoking; then it will puke (oil or coolant), usually at an inconvenient time; if you don't listen then it will look for ways to die.

So basically all volvos are teenagers.

>>13843280
And saabs are old men who wanted to die years ago

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I love my daily driver.

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>>13843804

>>13843277
mostly yes, not jap tier tho

>>13840448
volvo a slut

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>>13843809

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>>13843819

>>13843819

Trollstigen?

>>13834119
Norwegian here, Norway is one of the most expensive countries to buy a car in the world. (After cuba of course)

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dumping some

>>13820298
I bought a 9-5 Aero recently and the engine light keeps coming on. The codes are poor catalytic converter performance and hot intake air. It's fast as fuck especially 80km/h and upwards but whenever I go at anything but "normal" speed that stupid light comes on.

>>13843909
Nooe. The year we went to Trollstigen my clutch broke down so had to take the Saab that year. This pic is taken at Riksvei 55, see google maps.
https://www.google.se/maps/@61.5495812,7.9011526,3a,75y,169.4h,88.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdcNKO3Busw4qHC3xD8MqWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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>>13844075

Ah, thats where I recognized it from. I was up there a few months ago, cooperating with the businesses and interesents of a larger area to further develop their products; attracting more people, improving the marketing, filling empty beds and whatnot.

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Volvo XC70 checking in here.

>>13836439
Why wouldn't /o/ be going crazy about this thing? Its got all the good qualities of a subaru without the shit interior

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>>13844617
I still looks kinda meh inside though.
I rather have the proper 9-5 interior.

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I think I found out why my left parking brake is all sorts of fucked up. Right cable goes to left wheel for whatever reason

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>>13820230
got this for 120$

works pretty fucking fine

all around 350$ including buying price to get it back on the road and get it approved (france...)

>>13846002
I thought I got a steal at $400, Jesus Christ. Looks nicer too

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fellas, need some help
can someone clarify the suspension on late 940s/v90? the wagons
so they have that weird fibreglass independent leaf thing, if I get the coilovers from kaperneke (sp?) racing then do they just bolt in? what needs to be modded?
is there a normal IRS that can be modded in?
the self-leveling nivomat suspension, was that for the independent leaf thing, the solid axle or some other independent rear?

thanks a ton guys

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>>13846002
>mfw that car would be sold for $3000 where i live

>>13846002
You are a lucky anon. Go hoon and post pics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPbgDMPF38c

>>13844036
rev up your engines and put a gallon of lacquer thinner into about half a tank of gas.

https://youtu.be/5I71er1vxZQ?t=212

>>13844045
>most intelligent car
>some dude hooning the fuck out of it
lol sweden

>>13844859
>no seat bolstering
>window buttons in the wrong place
>all the leds on the radio work
>no night mode
oh god why

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>>13846180

>seat bolstering

That was the thing I hated the most about my mothers Saab... dear god that thing was shit to drive long distances

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>>13840202
>ought the French were cowards. Get a load of Norway.


I know, sad story bro.

Also, Norway beats Sweden all day long with the brass-beast ! :D

>>13846272
Flåklypa FTW.
DON'T watch it dubbed in anything other than original Norwegian language.

I know it seems like a stupid question but anybody went into a saab only dealership? With the recently new commercial that volvo is pumping out, has anybody went into a saab only dealership Inb4 saying chebby dealership

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>>13847732

Ærræ muli' det a?

>>13847763
>Only one word in that sentence is Scandinavian.
Benny, you should put a forth headlight on your Benz.

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>>13847782

Its shaking badly enough as is - if I was going to do anything with the lights now it would be putting a LED-bar on the roof, although that is overkill... just wait until I get my SUV in a few years, that one will put a new meaning to the word "northern lights"

>>13847797
While LEDS would be better in anyway, I kinda like the look of big old headlights.
Maybe they should make LEDs with big ass reflectors. That way we could use the old reflectors and simply change the bulb to a LED plug.

Because my 9-5 license plate lamps are on the trunk so when the car is on and you close it the lamps often break...
A LED version in the same slot would be a good way to prevent dead lamps every month.

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>>13847815

Halogens in that size have better range, and with three of them I cover a damned good, wide area. I also don't have a roofrack or other similar good area to place them in, and also; the lights cost $35 per lamp, so its a cheap, good investment for the time being... and with my sisters reversing skills its a good thing I didn't go for something expensive (pic related)

The future SUV will have 2 x 9" 75w xenonlamps on a bullbar on the front, and either one larger LED-bar for the close-range high beams or two smaller ones for the same purpose

>>13847841
So that's why they are aligned so retarded. :(
Slap two smaller LED ramps in the grill and be done with lights then. :)

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>>13847815
You can get the Hella Luminator LED, which is a fucking NICE high beam lamp in LED, insanely powerful... but the price here for a single lamp is $815, so yeah

>>13847858
Yeah, that's what i meant.
Too bad they exceeded the price I had in mind when I thought nobody had done this before.

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>>13847853

Middle and right one is much closer to eachother due to the distance between the mounting-points being different for god knows what reason... shoddy workmansship, but you can't complain on something that cost $3

>>13847872
Yeah I know about them being different, but the image and the comment above made it look like they are perma damaged and you have to buy new ones.

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>>13847880

The one on the right was completley fucked, so I bought a new one. At the same time I decided to just go "fuck it" and add another while I was at it, which quite honestly was a genius move, as it meant I could angle them in such a way that I now see so much more of the closer area of the forest, which may one day save me from that one "tiny" moose plowing through my windshield

Goddamn I want this car

>>13847732

Norwegian here. What's the point for foreigners of watching the movie in its original language? It's not like they're going to get the charm of the dialect or anything. The characters will sound like drunk Sims to them.

>>13823129
>>13827053
My niggas, no pics yet but gpt my hands on a v50 t5 awd recently, after k sold my 02 v70t5

Also nice pipes cant wait to start moding my wagon

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>>13846105
bumpin for help pls

>>13848761
Kek, it's truly an awful sounding language but subs all the way

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Got the head back on with the new head studs and better gasket
Still have to tune the ECU properly and figure out why the coolant is boiling

>>13848905
>does a head gasket
>can't fix bonnet struts
mate

My dad wants to buy a 9-3 XWD 2.8T wagon... How reliable is it and isn't 6.9s to 100 kind of slow for a 250hp AWD car?

>>13846180
>no seat bolstering
True shame
>window buttons in the wrong place
Indeed.
It's better to have them in the middle so the co-pilot can keep track of the passenger windows so I don't have to since I'm the first pilot, I should have to deal with passengers.
>all the leds on the radio work
My 9-5 from 2003 still works, which is a wonder, but I could always fix it myself if one of the pixels stop working.
>no night mode
This is the real killer.
Shame no other brand implement such features.

>>13846191
Have you tried losing some ass fat?

>>13848761
Because you get the voices that they intended and original voices are 99.9% better than dubs.
And I think they are charming and as a Swede I do know what they say.

>>13849760
0-100 times are not important for SAABs.
My B235R Aero have faster 0-100 times and it's FWD, but it's limited on 1st and 2nd gear.
440nm is only unlocked on 3rd and up.

>>13846010
>>13846117
Exterior is fine, interiors is over. Motor is perfect, the previous owner was cautious... suspension is new, so is the battery and the alternator. I just had to put on 4 tyres, all the belts, all the filters, 4 spark plugs and a oil change.

fo a car of this price I can't complain... it's the 118ch B200 in it, 1983 version.