Licenses

none cause I'm an illegal, kek

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>>13819098

Then just claim that you are being oppressed by the government because in your country you were the personal driver for the dictator ruling your homecountry

Or are you perhaps not a refugee?

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>>13819094

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>>13819136

When you get those type of licenses are you allowed to drive other types of vehicles with it? Like; are you allowed to drive a 250cc motorcycle although never having gotten any education or training on one?

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>>13819094
What is B1? And I'm suprised there is a snowmobile on there.

Anybody in here have a license for boats? Most boats are just a regular drivers license in the US I think, but I'm curious about bigh yachts and stuff.

Regular EU B-class which includes mopeds and tractors and apparently also quads, but I don't think snowmobiles.

>>13819111
Government officials aren't the brightest but I'm not sure they'll buy that Canada is a dictatorship.

>>13819152
>Most boats are just a regular drivers license in the US I think
That doesn't even make sense. I think here in Germany there are seperate licenses for interior bodies of water and seas, and you need one when your boat exceeds a certain amount of power or a certain length.

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>>13819150
Hazmat and a motorcycle are basically the two things I can't drive. Any motorcycles over 50cc require another test and endorsement.

I'm still trying to figure out if I can take the motorcycle test with my Scoot. I will just go test just to have it so I can impulse buy a real bike.

I need to get Hazmat one of these days too. I just have to get the background check done and then take a written test which are normally easy enough.

>>13819150
You need a motorcycle endorsement, though I don't know if you can put one of those on a CDL.

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>>13819152

Four-wheel motorcycle, aka unlimited ATV's and similar vehicles. Very rarely used, as you can drive those with a normal B (car) license, or they are registered as tractors (can not go above 40kph or something) and can be driven with either a tractor license or a normal car license

And snowmobile-license... bleh
Used to be included with pretty much anything, but now you have to take it seperately,which is a trouble for us in the Red Cross as we use snowmobiles a lot in what we do, and now many of the younger members don't have it. I was lucky enough to get it for free through my workplace

>>13819170
Smaller boats don't require much. I used to have jet skis and all you needed was a regular DL for a car to ride them. And even smaller recreational boats you can drive with a normal DL. I think it's only when you get into really big yachts and stuff that you need a boat specific license.

>>13819185
But it still doesn't make sense to let people drive boats with a driver's license. Either you say they're easy enough for anyone to operate, or you ask for a boating license. But restricting boats to a drivers licenses just doesn't make any sense.

It's like saying "small helicopters can be operated with a hunting license but you need a helicopter license for the bigger ones".

Just a regular CA driver's license for the road. Don't remember what it costs.

I used to have SCCA and NASA competition licenses, but I haven't raced in a few years so they've lapsed. Expensive as shit to get, racing school (Skip Barber @ Laguna Seca in '08) was about $5k and I hear it's more like $8k now.

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>>13819185
>>13819206
I actually googled it a bit. Pic related. It is a 3-hr course that you can take online for $30.

I owned the jet skis when I lived in IL. You only need to take a similar boating safety course if you are age 12-17 and want to operate a boat without a DL.

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>>13819152
>What is B1?
Quadricicles and tricicles.
ATVs fall in that category
And microcars such as pic

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>>13819152

I'll need a boat license if I want to operate a boat that is over 8 meters/24 feet and/or has 25 horsepower or more

Been considering getting one, but currently I don't think I need one as I'm putting around in our 5 meter long turd with its struggling 6hp Mercury

>>13819152
>What is B1?
>>13819238
Also B1 can be had at 16 while B is usually at 18.

>>13819094
>>13819238
So A2 implies you can operate A1 and AE, right? B and B1, C and C1 the same?

Also is licensing similar/same in all EU countries? Or does it vary?

In the US, license laws vary by state but are very similar.

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>>13819238

Ours is even more specifiec with cars like those

If they are restricted to not go over 45kph then you can drive one of those when you're 18 with a standard AM moped license... and if you can find one of those rare Amica Quattros or similar that have both nothing larger than a 49cc engine and weigh below 150kg you can drive it at 16 with the same license¨

Buddy of mine owned one of these when he was 16. We felt that it was a bit too slow, so we took the 600cc engine from a Ski-Doo MXZ and put it in... goddamn I miss that buggy

>>13819265
Similar, but not the same. For example Germany has a special license class B96 which after a one day course without an exam raises your tow combination weight limit on the regular license from 3500 kg to 4250 kg.

>>13819302

We have the same one here in Norway, although nobody I've ever known has taken it... not really a point, you might aswell go for the full BE while you're at it

>>13819275
I'm suprised you need the ATV license and stuff like that too.

In the US, everything like that is covered by a regular Drivers License if it has 4 wheels. Motorcycles over 50cc are the only exceptions.

For a lot of stuff like ATVs, boats, snowmobiles, states will offer safety courses for people under 18/16 who want to operate one without a DL.

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>>13819302
>B96

That is a hip-hop and pop radio station in Chicago from back in the day.

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>>13819265
>Also is licensing similar/same in all EU countries? Or does it vary?
The Category codes are the same but the cats vary. Also legislation changes from country to country.
e.g here you can only drive a >=125cc bike with a B license at 25, before 25 you can only drive a >=50cc.
We have no snowmobile license here, but we don't have enough snow for that to be a concern.

>>13819310

With a regular drivers license (B) you can, at the time of this writing, drive;
>passenger cars registered on white and green plates with a total allowed weight of 3.5 tonnes and 9 seats in total. Ontop of that 3.5 tonnes you can tow a 750kg trailer, or you can tow a trailer up to the size of the total weight of the car. Aka if you have a 1.5 tonne car with a maximum allowed weight of 2.5 tonnes and a tow rating of 1.5 tonnes you are allowed to tow 1 tonne on a normal license
>49cc mopeds with a speed up to 45kph

>tfw your EU license has no expiration date written on it but law makers have decided that older licenses need to be renewed by 2033 either way

>>13819338
I was surprised to find out that I can legally drive agricultural tractors towing trailers up to 40 tons total on my regular license as long as theyre slow enough.

>>13819338

I think I may be wrong (these laws are NOT made to be easily understood) about the tow-rating above 3.5 tonnes. With a B96 you can do that, but on a normal B license you can never go over a total maximum weight of car + trailer of 3.5 tonnes, even tho the car itself can be something like a Nissan Patrol, where you can load the car itself up to weight 3.5 tonnes and still be allowed to tow 3.5 tonnes. For that stuff you'd need a minimum of BE, which allows you to tow the full tow rating of normal passenger cars, which is never over 3.5 tonnes

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>>13819359

Same here; I can drive tractors going 50kph with a total combined weight of tractor + trailer up to 25 tonnes, with absolutely no qualification other than taking my BE-license

So basically I am allowed to drive this thing right here while having a full large trailer of gravel behind it, with no proof of me having ever driven a tractor

>>13819323
So your B (car) license covers <50cc bikes for people under 25, and then 25+ you can ride a bike up to 125cc without a motorcycle license? Interesting...

Just seems like a high age to let you ride a slightly more powerful bike.

Is the age for DL's 18 in most of Europe? What's the deal with restricted or permit driving before you get your full license?

In the US (Illinois) I could get my permit at 15 years old. All it required was a written test. And then I was allowed to drive with somebody with a DL over 21 in the car (could've been 18). Then when I turned 16, I took the road test and got my car license. I also took a Drivers Ed course.

If you are 18+, you don't have to take a Drivers Ed course. I believe you just have to pass the written and road test. You might have to hold your permit for 3 months first though even 18+.

>>13819361
Towing on B is easily explained. Your combined maximum weight rating mustnt exceed 3500kg, your trailer weight rating mustnt exceed the empty weight of the tow vehicle, and trailers over 750kg weight rating must have brakes.

>>13819373
This is how americans must feel about RVs and toy haulers. 26000 lbs after driving your moms Escort around the block.

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>your trailer weight rating mustnt exceed the empty weight of the tow vehicle

Huh, didn't know that one... noted

>goddamnit dad
That trailer is the main part of why I took BE; its full of musical equipment, and I helped out my father and his band with rigging and downrigging, plus driving the equipment, and with a weight of 2.5 tonnes there was no way I'd be allowed to drive it without that license

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>>13819338
Damn your 50cc mopeds are limited to that low of a speed? Mine goes way faster as seen here: >>13819171

Also with regards to the 9 seats, in the US most places you can drive a small bus with up to 14 or 18 passengers, can't remember which, with a regular DL. This is assuming it is under 26,000lbs and doesn't have air brakes. For larger busses, a Class B CDL is required with a passenger endorsement and possibly an air brakes endorsement if needed.

I just found that out when my sister told me she sometimes has to drive a bus (like pic related) for work but with just a regular DL.

>>13819376
In Germany you can make your moped license and a limited tractor license at age 16 (there are trials for mopeds at age 15 running in some states right now). You can make your regular car license at age 17 but you'll need an adult (18+) passenger with a valid car license with you until you're 18 yourself. To my knowledge everything else is 18+.

>>13819406
>Huh, didn't know that one... noted
I think it depends, when you have a BE towing license the trailer can also be heavier as long as the tow vehicle is rated for it, but on the regular license that's the limit. Car weighing 1300 kg empty means the full trailer mustn't weigh more than that, so for a one and a half ton trailer you need a car that's one and a half tons empty and then you possibly need to downrate its load capacity to 500 kilos.

And to complicate it further, the tongue weight is subtracted from the trailer weight because it counts towards the already included load capacity of the tow vehicle.

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>>13819394
That is kinda retarded what they will let people get away with as long as it is for "Personal Use".

I was trying to read into it a little bit, and it seemed like federal law requires you to have a CDL for any vehicle over 26,000lbs. If it is a straight vehicle like an RV, just a B, but combination (RV with a trailer or big pickup truck and trailer) is should be a Class A. But people always refute it and tell me that as long as it isn't for commercial use, it is fine.

Funny story: in my CDL course, it was frequently mentioned that the most dangerous vehicles on the road are rental box trucks and moving trucks because people have no idea how to drive them. You can rent a 26' truck and load it up to 30,000lbs+ and get away with it without a CDL.

>>13819413
It depends on the moped. In Germany the limit for new mopeds is 45 kph, older mopeds will go 50 kph, and East German moped have an inherited top speed of 60 kph (though no one really cares and will just remove their limiter and tune their ride because mopeds need no inspections, only the police can catch you on it).

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>>13819413

Here you'll need a D1 to drive with anything more than 9 seats total, and that shit is expensive

And yeah, mopeds - 45kph or nothing
It used to work just fine for the government when mopeds were so naturally weak that you'd struggle to reach 50kph, but now with the modern Motorhispania, Derbis, Yamahas and whatnot you just knock out a coin-sized weld in your exhaust, drill the CDI and change your main jet up 3-4 sizes and it'll do 80kph with no issue

My first moped, a 1987 Suzuki ZR50SK had a topspeed of 40kph when I got it due to wear and heavy weight. A few months later it was weirdly enough doing 90kph, with "minor" modifications like a 50mm Malossi cylinder, 21mm Dellorto carburetor, Hebo airfilter and heavier gearing

>>13819376
>So your B (car) license covers <50cc bikes for people under 25, and then 25+ you can ride a bike up to 125cc without a motorcycle license? Interesting...
Yes, but a lot of EU countries let you ride up to 125cc with B1 as soon as you take it or at 21. I have a friend that rents scooters to tourists and it's quite sad that under 25s can only rent the 50cc.
But it wasn't always like this, before 2000 you could drive bikes with any car license. They changed it because bikes are better for city traffic and city pollution from the jams was increasing.
But bike rules change from country to country
>Just seems like a high age to let you ride a slightly more powerful bike.
Exactly. You can take an A1 at 16 and the A at 24, if you get the A before 25 you are limited to 25kW. So to ride for example the 1000cc bikes you need 25.

>Is the age for DL's 18 in most of Europe? What's the deal with restricted or permit driving before you get your full license?
For regular cars there is no restricted license. You can only get B license at 18.
You can only get B1 after 16. Here you get the B1 for free with the B. Other countries like OP just state that you can drive a B1 with a B license. It's practically the same.

>>13819433
Nevermind the part about downrating the load capacity. To give a clearer example 1450 kg empty car + 600 kg load capacity + 1500 kg total weight rated trailer - 50 kg tongue weight = 3500 kg. It's a really complicated equation and it's best to just figure out what trailer works for your car and then stick with it. If you tow commercially you probably have a higher tier license anyway.

>>13819323
Also I once had a friend show me one of these with ALL the categories.

>>13819433

I've never heard of that empty weight vs full trailer thing, so I'm not sure if we actually have that here (I hope we don't, as it means that the Patrol I used for most of the towing might have been illegal as the trailer itself weighed about 2.4 tonnes full, and the Patrol weighed 2.2 tonnes empty or something)

>>13819459
I think you can have them all covered with a semi truck license, a bus license which will be cheap if you already have a semi truck license, and a motorcycle license. Everything else will be included in either of these.

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>>13819440
How much would it cost you for the CE license?

In the US, the course for a Class A CDL (full semi-truck with air brakes and everything) normally costs $2000-$4000. It is a 160hr course. 32hrs of driving, 10hrs of "observation" and the remaining 118hrs "classroom" where you mostly learn about safety and pre-trip stuff.

The 32hrs driving really aren't enough to get totally comfortable driving a big truck though. You get practice when your job trains you.

>select all images with commercial trucks

It still horrifies me that Americans aren't barred from driving manual if they took their licence test on an auto.

>>13819098
Just cry racism, it's what these illegals are doing

https://youtu.be/vEShqRuLRi4

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>>13819489

... do you really want to know that?

You should be ready to pay atleast $9500, maybe even more
Minimum amount of hours will be 114 I believe

>>13819514
think about it, if you don't know how to drive a stick shift you aren't going to be going very far when you get in one

the grand majority of people will never even consider it anyway, something like ~15% of cars sold have a manual transmission and I would bet if you took out sports cars that % would drop hard

>>13819543
THATS THE GERMAN PRICE
Here in Portugal it costs about 1200€. That's 600€ for the C plus 500€ for the E and some taxes in between.

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>>13819630

And fuck every single portugese, spanish, polish, russian, czech, italian and other truck drivers from any country that come to Norway during the winter months and have no fucking clue what winter driving is, and having absolutely no experience or equipment for the conditions

LOOK AT THIS LITHUANIAN FUCK
Only ONE of his wheels had chains on it, and when the tow truck was going to pull him to safety as he was completely stuck on the road and unable to get further this happened, as the lithuanian truck driver failed to steer properly and slid to the side

They are such a huge safety risk and we are just seeing more and more of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRDp8ZNX1Zc

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>>13819694

and to add; the lithuanian driver was not able to get out in time and went rolling down the hill with his truck. He was thrown out of his truck and unfortunately survived, and is now free to spread his genes further

>>13819514
For my Class A license in IL, I was required to take it in a manual truck (10spd).

Here in Florida, they will let you take it in an automatic truck. Certain states, if you test in an automatic truck, you have restrictions on driving manual trucks. But for the FL Class A, you can test in an Auto and still legally drive a manual (or at least try). Tons of our drivers can't into manuél.

>>13819694
That tow truck driver just casually jumping out of the truck was lulzy.

>>13819729
Very weird though.. I'm Latvian, which is right next to Lithuania, and we DO tend to have some actual winters, I am a bit perplexed by his incompetence.

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>>13820040

DA PIOTR, RUBBER IS RUBBER
I GO VERY FAST, ONLY VODKA AND COFFEE, NO SLEEP

VERY GOOD TRUCK, IT TAKE SEVENTEEN MORE TON THAN PAPER IN GLOVEBOX SAY

>>13820055
Good point, the eastern european mentality of cutting corners wherever possible might be to blame.

However,Poitr might not be the most representatice name(our russian minority is, well... a minority), Lithuanians really seem to have a lot of names ending with -as.

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>>13820106

We'll name him Piotras

Most eastern-european drivers have large faults or break the rules when driving here. They'll avoid the required resting-time by having several cards to put into the machine, they'll drive trucks with cracked frames, too large loads, too long, too wide and so on

Quite close to where I live a truck + trailer was stopped last winter on tires that had been fakely branded M+S to pass an inspection - but you can't really fool people who deal with this stuff on a daily basis, and

>GOD BE DAMN PIOTRAS, HOW DO MAN SEE OUR TIRE NOT GOOD?

>>13819694
>And fuck every single portugese, spanish, polish, russian, czech, italian and other truck drivers from any country that come to Norway during the winter months and have no fucking clue what winter driving is, and having absolutely no experience or equipment for the conditions
desu it's a bit hard to train someone to drive on snow in countries where it barely snows

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Good thing I live in Freedomland and can buy a turbo hayabusa after getting my permit

>yuropoors btfo

>>13820146
Oh fuck do I know this feel, Russian drivers are a fucking plight in Finland. They
>Drive in the middle of the road
No matter what kind of weather or what condition is the road in or how much traffic there is, they are going to be hugging/crossing the lane divider.
>Tailgate
Not that "I'm going to pass you first opportunity I get", but the "I'm gonna make you uncomfortable by hanging on your ass the whole trip" kind of tailgating.
>Truck drivers speed
They drive so fast, if they crash with a normal car, that normal car is going to fly off the road far into the woods.
>Make the most retarded decisions in general

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>>13820226

Then why the fuck are they allowed to drive in those conditions, or why do they even try?

>>13820262
Yes, but you will also be shot on your way to work, so...

>>13820362
>Then why the fuck are they allowed to drive in those conditions, or why do they even try?
That is the real question.

>>13820374
>why do they even try?

That is why I think paying truckers by the mile is a bad idea. I don't know what Yurop is like, but if they were paid hourly I feel like the roads would be safer. As a truck driver, you have to know when to slow down or stop. But when this impacts your paycheck, it is a harder decision.

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>>13820374

Then again, danes are allowed to drive in Norway & Sweden during the winter, so I guess perhaps that needs to be checked aswell

I have met danes who told me that they have taken the boat to Norway from Copenhagen and then driven with chains on all four of their tires for four hours to get to my hometown for their skiing holiday

People in general are frightening around my hometown during the winter... imagine thousands of thousands of danes, swedes, norwegians, germans and to a lesser extent russians, italians, englishmen and other types of scum coming along to a rough norwegian winter in their X5's, ML's, Cayennes and whatnot, having replaced common sense with thoughts of 4WD supremacy and going way above the speedlimit with no experience and on tires of dubious origins

>>13820409

"The quicker the better" I suppose the deal is... the sooner you can finish up this job; the sooner you can take on another trailer and another job

>>13819694

And THAT is why I'm not lazy and pick anything up when I pull them up hills. Fuck trusting dipshits who can't even climb a hill properly to keep my truck from fucking off too.

>>13820362
better to die free than a kek

>>13820773
this man gets it.

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>>13820773

Hehe, I can support that