TOYOYAMA, Aichi Prefecture--The first passenger jet manufactured

>>13816732
Fucking japs getting ready to attack again.

>>13817098
This was my thought

>>13816732
I'm amazed the Japanese haven't had much to do with aviation in recent decades. I mean I expect the 'Murricans. But the other manufacturers are French, Canadian (Bombardier) and Brazilian (Embreaer). And a few more.

And then the Russians. But no civilized airline would use their planes.

>>13817145
afaik Mitsubishi only built planes for domestic consumption.

>>13817155
I could see the Chinese and SE Asia market loving them if they produced commercial jets. Private jets too, the Chinese millionaires would love em.

>>13816732
>200kph
are they gonna sudoku?

>>13817168
China just rolled out a commercial jet the other day

>>13817145
because murrica didn't allow nips to make planes.

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>>13816732
Looks a lot like the plane I fly (Embraer 175) and like a CRJ. Good for them!

Pic related my office.

>>13817179
I figured if I googled, China would have something in the works. Let's see how quality control is.

>>13817184
They couldn't manuafacture commercial and private airplanes? I know they were forbidden from building lots of military related stuff for a long time after we dropped da bombs.

It's been awhile since high school history classes.

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>first
The HondaJet has been out for years.

>>13817199
Btw I'm mad jelly. I wanted to be a pilot for the longest time. Probably could've gotten my private license back in the day if I asked my Grandma to pay for the lessons. I missed out.

Were you ever in the Air Force? It seems like that is the only practical way to get enough hours to be a commercial pilot. At 18, I wasn't ready for the Air Force.

>>13817145
>I'm amazed the Japanese haven't had much to do with aviation in recent decades
you are talking about the country that makes their own F-1 6's brah.

>>13817229
I forgot about that little thing. Competing with that little Cessna (Mustang?). That pic is one of the first few built though, like testing ones. Are they even for sale to the public?

>>13817199
How expensive was it to get your commercial pilots licence and what's your current pay? Studying to become ATC but I love to fly.

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>>13817229
>mfw jet swapping an EK hatch

>>13817237
They just manufacture US designed F-16s? They gotta be able to design something new and awesome.

That HondaJet >>13817229 is supposed to have a bunch of revolutionary stuff for turbofan powered aircraft.

>>13817223
Mitsubishi has been making small commercial aircraft since the 70s but that's small scale.
They usually just focus on military.

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>>13817258
>a bunch of revolutionary stuff
Like?

I strongly doubt this

>>13817258
>>13817237
Mitsubishi has the F-1, and they're working on a next gen fighter

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>>13817199
One more question:

Do you ever Roushpost while the plane is on autopilot?

I mean you fly the ERJ so it isn't really long flights. But an 8hr 777 flight, what else do you do to entertain yourself?

>>>/n/

>>13817272
Nothing crazy. But I remember reading an article on it. Just supposed to be really quiet and efficient. Everything from the engines to the wings had lots of engineering done to make them better than similar planes.

But I'm sure most new planes always have a couple small innovations. The HondaJet just seemed like they thought of everything.

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>>13817306
Ayy we love planes over here. Plus OP's original point was Mitsubishi is dying in the auto industry but starting to make airplanes again.

>>13817145
>I'm amazed the Japanese haven't had much to do with aviation in recent decade

Well, all their designs can only land once.

>>13817145

Bombardier is dead, they're up for ANOTHER bailout but the Canadian taxpayers aren't having any of it anymore.

>>13817362
Just the aviation part or what?

Is BRP with Sea Doo and all that stuff still going well? Canadian news doesn't make it way down here in South Florida.

>>13817229
>private jets are the same thing guize

Idiot.

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>>13817236
You can always get your private license, it's not that expensive.

I didn't go to the airforce, Delta tends to grab all of the airforce pilots. I did the commercial pilot course and got a job as an instructor, got at least 1500 hours and American hired me.

I honestly love my job, I really don't have to work any day of the week.

>>13817249
It depends on the school you go to. I had to pay 90K, its a bit expensive, and you don't start with an amazing pay, just 35K as a base pay. But they pay you more for OT, so you are actually making 40-42K in the same year.

My current pay is 57K, not bad really and the company gave me 20K to pay my loans.

ATC is a great job, would recommend you in doing it, do it before you turn 30.

>>13817294
No internet connection in the cockpit so I can't shitpost in /o/, not that I want my captain to know that I go to 4chan after all the shit they say about us.

I mostly talk with the flight attendants, passengers. The range of the plane can take you easily from NYC to Mexico City.

I do 2/3 hour flights mostly. Its fun.

Pic related my car

>>13818251
You're living the dream.. I'm 20, halfway through college and in the military. So I should get to apply before turning 30. Did you ever fly to BHM, MIA or ATL?

>>13817199
Instrument rated pilot here, was going to jump into Express jet or the Chair Force but went the Fomula Mazda route instead.

Couple question about the brake systems on regionals, post shutdown and the walk around, how hot does the area around the engine cowling and brakes does it get?
Have you ever been delayed for overheated brakes?
What's the cool off time required?

I know and felt most of the smaller ac use the brakes far more then the bigger boys do.

Thanks bud and keep the sunny side up.

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anyone else here a pilot?

>>13818251
Skywestfag, hello there.

Flew first class with you niggers from ATL to Toronto and then back. Was glorious. What are your routes, and were flights on October 17 and 24th?

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>>13818437
I've gone to MIA, but I'm DCA based but I commute to NYC, which is not much of a pain really. You can jump seat in pretty much any Aircraft.

>>13818544

On regionals? Well it's mostly different with the type of aircraft. The 145 do have brake issues and so does the CRJs, they have a special config and makes them nose heavy.

Usually you do the after flight checks once the GPU is connected. In my experience it doesn't get that hot, you have to use also common sense, you know which parts are going to be hot and which ones wont. Rampers even know that.

I've never been delayed due to overheated brakes, this aircraft loves to go dildos with the EICAS, we've had maintenance issues because of that, we are gonna have a software update soon. Basically the plane loves to go BMW.

Most of the time you get a fault code and you fully reset the plane and most of the time the codes clear. 80% of the time when the fault code is persistent, theres nothing physically wrong with the plane.

We can do quickturns without any issues. We get to the gate, do a quick check and go.

The EMB 170-175 is a baby 737 technically, the only issue that I have with it is the lack of power when it's fully loaded.

Overall it's a good plane.

>>13819576

My routes are quite simple. DCA-JFK-DCA-PIT-MIA-DCA for now.

But again, with regionals you can be anywhere. Sometimes is ORD-IND-JFK-IND overnight there.

You mean which flights between those dates?

>>13818251
>GTO MR
Nigga why?

>>13819976
Any problems with that senpai?

>>13820155
It's not a GTO MR, so why badge it as such?

>>13819957
Yes, I flew ATL-MCO-YYZ on an MD-80 then CRJ 700, then YYZ-JFK-ATL with the E175.

was wondering if you my air chauffeur.

Also, as far as the 175 being a baby 737, don't you dare! But damn man, it was my first time flying on the RJ's and damn its fun. Im more of a 757/73NG type of guy.

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>>13820167
>what is an MR bumper bought from a guy on 3si.

It's not that I will remove the badge, I don't want to fug the paint F4M.

>>13820174
Well I like to think that is a baby 737-600, not performance wise.

Lol you should fly in a Fokker 50 or a Dornier 328, or even an ATR or Dash 8.

I love CRJs, my favorite airplane is definitely the 767 and 737. I'm not a fan of Airbus, the Airbus A330 gives me a massive boner and they have an amazing fly by wire system. But it has a fucking joystick, it feels unnatural to me. Hell even the Embraers yoke is weird for me, but I got used to it.

>>13820256
>what is an MR bumper bought from a guy on 3si.
Bruh you got lied to.

>>13820278
Bought it for $50... So I really don't mind m8.

>>13820256
RJ as in regional jets. Im from the Caribbean.I grew up on Dash 8s, ATRs, DHC 6 and the smaller commuter planes that cruised below FL090.

The 757-200 is my favorite aircraft(with winglets ofc) and the 737-600... Man that thing probably can give the 752 a run for its money.. Dat rocket like takeoff doe

>>13817388
Not the original anon. Quebec just threw $1billion at the CSeries program and Quebec wants the new Liberal government to match it.

>>13817229
>passenger jet
>private jet
>being a shitty troll
>2015

Shigidy digidy don't.

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>>13821422
The 757-200 is a beauty, we are retiring them in American. I love the iconic purr the engine does (the RR engine).

I also love Bombardiers, funny enough they don't cause that much trouble compared to the 145s, though the problems that they get tend to be a bit more serious.

I had a captain that flew the CRJs and he loved them. He said the 175 makes you lazy. I haven't flown other Aircrafts because I'm just certified for the 170 series.

It's fun to do visual approaches, but hell im biased so my opinion doesn't really count.

Hopefully if one of you goys go via DCA to JFK, I'll be your F/O, although sometimes I take the Captains seat.

>>13824495
lol, it is indeed a beauty. What does he mean the 175 makes you lazy tho? And dont the 170-195 have the same type rating?? Similar to that of the 757 and 767.?

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Boeing is still god tier
23,000 737 MAX orders so far and climbing.
many orders are from japan KEK

>>13824495

the retired 757's will be probably sold to other/privates

they will be around for a long time, like the 707 (fuck travolta)

>>13825489
737 GOAT. Long live that beautiful aircraft.

>>13825547

Can't wait, I have 1 quarter of A&P school left, hopefully get picked up by Alaska Air, all they have are 737's, mechanics dream onyl have to worry about bunch of different aircraft, especially shitbus.

> if it aint boeing, im not going

>>13825562

dont have to*

>>13821768
Oh yeah Trudaeu government is a huge french clusterfuck vive le quebec!

>>13817272

Is that China? Where?

>>13817272

That's just a really beautiful town. I wish my city were like that.

I'd be very curious to see what a Japanese jet would be like.

Bombardier's Canadair jets are horrible unless they're brand new, the Embraer RJs are generally really nice.

Not sure these will ever be popular in the states.

The rumor is that Bombardier is having a lot of trouble with their next gen jet while Embraer is primed...competition would be good.

(Frequent flier who has to go on RJs all the time but not an engineer).

>>13817199
The 175 is a good aircraft as a passenger, probably one of my faves. I used to go all the time from PHL -> IAH and back on US Airways and it was optimal for comfort in coach.

Not so much for overhead space.

>>13819576
>skywest
Pilots are usually p good but flight attendant quality is highly variable.

>>13825840
i was treated like a king by the staff. Based first/business class. muh AAdvantage.

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>>13826391
in addition
>tfw accidentally posted that image instead of this

>>13826352
First on a regional jet tends to be decent regardless of carrier, although I will say skywest attendants are often shit to Y pax on shorter routes.

>>13826793
Lol. I got 3 meals on a 2hr flight.

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**SPOILER ALERT**

In case you were wondering, the Boeing 797 is going to look like this patent they filed a couple years back. The mid-mounted wing allows ground clearance for two enormous high-bypass engines (bigger even than GE90's, currently the worlds largest turbofans), because a bottom-mounted wing wouldn't otherwise allow that. Consequently, some rows on the bottom deck will not have windows.

>>13828572
Why would they need to make something this big? Isn't the a380 a failure when it comes to practical real world use?

>>13828581

Orders have been dropping because it's a bitch to maintain. Still has an impressive safety record though. 8 year without even a minor accident.

>>13817229
No, it hasn't. Source: I fucking live in Greensboro where the plant is still struggling with FAA certification. Job 1 on those planes has yet to be delivered, mostly because when Honda was trying to get the plane certified they tried to tell the FAA how shit was going to work and they got bitch slapped back a solid 5 years. They also want to have their own repair facilities, none of which so far are FAR 121 certified. Never mind that the planes all use proprietary avionics and subsystems because lel nobody should be certified to work on them or buy anything to fix them but genuine Honda parts.

tl:dr 2.5 million for a 4 person jet that cannot be serviced anywhere except Honda facilities and cannot cross either ocean and isn't an FAA certified aircraft.

>>13829143
wuuuut

that's crazy. I remember seeing them in flying magazine so many years ago, must have been 8 or 9 years.

>>13829143
>Never mind that the planes all use proprietary avionics and subsystems because lel nobody should be certified to work on them or buy anything to fix them but genuine Honda parts.

This is why Citations dominate the private jet market. They can be worked by anyone aside from the Cessna service centers and parts are abundant, they are basically the Toyota of aviation.

>proprietary avionics
They seriously fucked up with that, anyone would have gone full glass garmin G1000 or even Honeywell and they would have had it made. But designing your own avionics sounds retarded and extremely expensive.

>>13829143
They just won't learn.

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>>13825268
Well the 175 is a very advanced aircraft, you pretty much monitor the aircraft rather than fly it, that's why we get continuous problems with the EICAS and ACARS. I know they are the same, but I just got the 170 certificate, the FAA seems to think the 190 is a different aircraft...

>>13825531
That's true! But we still have some MD83 flying which is nice, love those planes, they are a bitch to fly but nice nonetheless:

>>13826793
GoJet is shit tier honestly, the other day they went the wrong way in JFK causing a massive air traffic congestion, I would expect that from an international carrier, but Gojet (Delta) is not That good sadly.

Also

>tfw I can park in front of the terminal thanks to the GM of JFK.

>>13831788
>they are a bitch to fly
wut

>>13831788
Perhaps it's just like the airbus aircraft. They akk have the same FBW systems but are considered different types due to size and newer technological factors. thats interesting.

>>13831817
Muh non retrofit cockpits. Most pilots nowadays are used to glass cockpits. But thats just the visual part buddy,:). On older aircraft such as the md-80 the ailerons and elevators use cables and not hydraulics which cause an "input lag".. Just think how bad you can under steer/over steer without proper linkages.

>>13831960
>Muh non retrofit cockpits. Most pilots nowadays are used to glass cockpits. But thats just the visual part buddy,:). On older aircraft such as the md-80 the ailerons and elevators use cables and not hydraulics which cause an "input lag".. Just think how bad you can under steer/over steer without proper linkages.
Only the tabs are linked on MD80 control surfaces though, that's what's odd about them, not the fact that they're cable driven.

>>13832034

what the fuck?That'd be whats "hard" about flying em if you asked me. Whats the real problem then? Im not ignorant and would like to learn something new.

>>13825489
>23,000 737 MAX orders
what?
Isn't it more like 3000?
Still impressive, mind you.

>>13832993
A young pilot, used to modern fly-by-wire may find the feel of an aircraft with conventional control surfaces odd, the opposite is also true. I don't know what he finds odd about cable control surfaces, but he also flies bigger planes than I fly. I suspect what makes the MD80 "a bitch to fly" is the fact that only the tabs are actuated and the control surfaces are floating, not the fact that cables are involved.

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>>13831960
The 175 also compensates trim and rudder failures automatically, it's something interesting, the aircraft takes care of such situations. Of course the aircraft can handle ILS CATII approaches, but they have to be approved in the flt plan release.

When there's winshear you have to take control of the aircraft completely, no matter how good the aircraft is you cannot risk the life of the passengers in those situations.

Despite most modern aircrafts make life easier for us, we still have to be able to do everything manually. Also landings with engine failure, landing gear less landings (those are fun).

Besides you also get trained to save as many lifes as possible even if it means your death, I really don't mind, I would do everything for the safety of my passengers.

>>13831960
Also the shape of the MD80 believe it or not makes a bit laggy to maneuver and apparently that's inherited from the DC series aircrafts, it does have the directional advantages of the rear mounted engines, take for example the 727, that plane is a beauty to maneuver and had short takeoff distances.

I flew on one a long time ago, noisy but sexy.

>>13833068
Well I'm just pretty much passing on what former pilots had to say about it, and it makes sense when I think about it. But again, I love muhh 175 so I'm biased as fuck. But I do want to fly a 737, the fact of the matter is, I love my job and what I do and everything.

>>13833710
>>13818251
Pil/o/tanon why a N/A 3000GT? You can afford better cars M8, what about a VR4?

>>13833710
All the old airline pilots I know enjoyed flying the "Mad Dog." I've never flown anything bigger than an EP-3. I currently fly a Citation X, which is a great jet.

>>13833710
Did they ever patch the TCAS inoperative warning to be more than small white text on the Embraers? I remember there was shitstorm over a mid-air collision in brazil and inoperative TCAS being a large contributing factor.

>>13831788
I wonder why the 170/175 are considered same class and 190 isn't, isn't 190 a stretch version of the 175?

Either way I'm glad the ERJs are growing in popularity, particularly the 175 with express carriers of the US big players (and in certain cases, on the mainline). I rode so much of the CRJ200 (a.k.a. "The Devil's chariot") in 2013 that I almost lost my sanity. What a miserable piece of revenge on the world by French canada.

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>>13834024
>Why a non-turbo
Because I actually like the car how it feels, how fun it is to drive, the looks... I love to dump some money on it. Besides it had like 9 past owners, so I actually feel that the car got gang raped, so I'm actually very attached to it, I feel that it has suffered much so it needs some love. There's no reason why it shouldn't be a good candidate as a DD and I know that there are faster/rwd/awd cars available, but I really got attached to it.

>FWD is good in snow
>Its reliable
>It is sexy as fug
>thanks to suspension tune the car corners nicely
>the car has good acceleration
>I always wanted a non-turbo one as a DD
>I'm autistic

>why not a VR4

Well first of all it's a bit expensive for the gen that I want (2nd or 3rd). Besides I'm actually thinking in bringing a Z15A MR to the states via canada. Just swap the vins from a car with similar color and that's it.

So yeah MR or no deal.

>>13834097
Well it got the "mad-dog" name for a reason there m8 besides it's a fairly reliable airplane, we still have those damn planes flying!

Hey yeah, hows the Citation X?

>>13834128
They did, but again we are getting another update soon! They will eliminate a shit ton of the problems the damn EICAS have. It likes to think sometimes that you are still flying so it pops up TO config inop. The only solution is to turn the whole plane off and wait 5-10 mins before restarting the APU and systems.

- you are right, they are... But it's just the FAA. You can't fly the 190 without taking a training (usually by the company) that teaches you the differences.

I'm not "certified" to fly the 190 because I have not taken said course (we don't have 190 at the moment) although with the merger we are getting 190s from US Airways.

The 145s have a very beautiful character, but the jumpseats are uncomfortable as fuck. Your seat is at the back of the F/Os seat fucking cramped, pretty much like me trying to fit in the back seats of my car.

>>13816732
You are such a fucking weeb

>>13834330
>They will eliminate a shit ton of the problems the damn EICAS have. It likes to think sometimes that you are still flying so it pops up TO config inop
Oh, I haven't been in the cockpit before, but I have waited in my seat on IAH -> PHL flights on USAir for them to reboot the damn plane multiple times. They didn't tell us it was the EICAS, just that it was a "problem with the flight computers". APU off, everything off, no airflow or lights for a couple minutes until they start to power everything back up.

(Incidentally, when this happens, half the time the flight gets cancelled :( )

I don't mind the 145 that much (the 1-2 config with the a seat is awesome once in a while for a 1-2 hr flight - aisle/window!) but I'd rather get on a 175 with it's roomy overhead bins.

The new United Express 175s have fucking terrible power outlets in the first class cabin though, they hate pretty much anything that gets plugged into them (not tight enough).

Just flew American for the first time in three years (mainline only). Coming from United, kind of underwhelmed by the service level. Both flights were on newer 737s with the sky interior, but the FAs kept fucking with the lighting, and no IFE per passenger? Shared overhead monitors showing NBC commercials nonstop? No same day change for AAdvantage Gold? The plane was nice but everything else with the service level was kind of meh... Not a gripe against you. I've done American Eagle and the service quality is usually better than mainline.

I actually miss US Airways, as someone that used to live in Philly. Of course, part of that is I figured out a bug in their implementation of first class upgrades in SHARES that allowed me to get nearly 100% successful first class upgrades (skipping the line as I was only gold behind all Platinum & Chariman's Preferred elites)... ah, RIP that trick now that everything has been moved into American/SABRE.

>>13834330
The X is my favorite jet to fly so far. It flies more like some of the jets I flew in the Navy than a bizjet, the rate of climb is great and it's pretty maneuverable. I don't miss flying larger aircraft since my transition to bizjets, though the EP-3 is a real workhorse and it is a real pleasure to fly.

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>>13834441
>reboot the damn plane multiple times, that's why we say Embraer stands for.

Every Mechanical Breakdown Requires An Electrical Reset

Which its true!!

Once you call maintenance they tell you to re-boot the aircraft, which is more fucked you have an inop APU (some GPUs take years to turn the plane back on) which will further delay the departure process due to starting the engine at the gate which requires another piece of equipment (it's noisy as fuck).

>mainline American
Yes it tends to be rather crappy, Jetblue gots us in terms of IFE, I just hope that changes.

The problem between mainline and eagle is that our ground crew and staff has got to work twice as hard and deal with several cancellations due to ATC (they love to cancel our flights). To be honest with you guys most people tend to think that Eagle is crappy, but the thing is that we work harder. A single part-time agent in Eagle has got to work sometimes 15 flights in their shift, whereas a mainline agent works 3 flights.

They are bigger planes, they board more people and blah blah blah.

But it's hard for our agents to work on many flights at the same time (Mind you, they have to leave on time). I truly feel respect for those agents, specially my people at JFK. Passengers complain about Eagle being bad, but in reality they work really really hard, they sometimes board 5 flights at the same time with 3 computers at one gate.

How the fuck they do it? I dont know. Really, I'd like to see mainline people do that for a day.

Besides with the new uniforms they really insulted our flight attendants.

this are the mainline flight attendants new wings.

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>>13835755
And the Eagle flight attendant wings.

I can imagine people telling them when they will earn their full wings.

I wouldn't mind if mainline had the same concept, CX does have just 1 wing type of design. But thats just an insult.

>>13835769
>>13835755
Haha, that is fucked up.
>dur hur ur not a reel flight attendant here's ur half wings
Typical too-big company, treats employees like garbage and doesn't give a crap about them.

Consolidation of companies is the worst thing to happen to America in its history. Everyone is getting screwed because so many industries are totally dominated by gigantic companies. The bigger the company, the less any one employee means, and the less they care about making customers happy. Even being a pilot is nowhere near as good as it used to be, the old timers getting out of the industry look at young guys like you and I and just shake their heads knowingly. Luckily I avoided the airlines and while corporate and private flight has its drawbacks, I enjoy my job a lot more than I think I'd enjoy flying for an airline.

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>>13828572

>mfw those engines could suck in a goddamn SUV if one gets too close

>>13816732
>>13817199
>and like a CRJ
exactly
like a crj with the engines under the wing instead of the back

>>13835802
Damn right

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>>13835802
Well that's true, my grandfather used to be a pilot for Iberia and KLM, he flew the DC8 and the 747-100 and -200.

It definitely isn't what it used to be, but my dream has always been to be an airline pilot, so frankly I'm happy where I'm at, I will eventually go to mainline.

>tfw the first class in the 747 was god tier.

>>13838000
It was my dream too, but I couldn't afford flight school so I joined the navy, cheated on the color blindness test, made it through flight school with ease and here I am.

>>13838000
I would love to fly airplanes but I feel like it would be a huge snore to fly commercial air liners

Kamikazis when?

>>13835755
>>13835769
That's basically a huge fuck you to the American Eagle Flight attendants. The star for the purser makes sense, but the half wing on Eagle flights and full wing on mainline? That's basically broadcasting that you aren't perceived as equals.

Express flights are often harder especially with overheads. CRJ200/EMB 135/140/145 don't fit most bags and require valet check, CRJ700 still doesn't fit most bags, EMB 170/175/190 only fits many regulation size sideways. This adds to the frustration of the boarding process (and time to deplane one set of passengers and board the next). And flights on Eagle are often used for spoke -> hub service, meaning that if anything gets fucked on the flight time, pretty much everyone gets impacted on connections.

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>tfw this will be flying in four years

Aerial pussy wagon

>>13838759
Doubt.jpg

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>>13838759
Pls nigga

>>13838759
Kek

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>>13838023
You actually need to feel motivated to do it. For example I was talking the other day to a 777 pilot that started with eagle, he said he gets paid 13K to do New York - Los Angeles - Hong Kong - Los Angeles - New York, mind you the airline pays the hotel and transportation, even the food.

Even when I do 2 hour flights I dont really get bored, for some reason My sense of being alert stays on during the whole flight. Maybe it's because I truly feel responsible for the lives of my passengers. My point being you have to really feel a passion to do it.

>>13838607
I agree with you, even with other regional carriers, I feel respect for them... All the time passengers yelling at them how much of a shitty airline they are (regardles of company) because the flights get cancelled due to ATC or weather.

Us regional carriers are a vital operation for the mainline carriers. Not everyone lives in NYC or MIA, DFW, LAX... It's our duty to take them from their hometowns to the rest of the world.

>>13838759

I really doubt it, unless Boeing, Airbus or any other aircraft manufacturer makes one, it might not be a new trend. The industry is basically focused in those 2 giants... Hell, a 737 takes off somewhere in the world every 3 seconds.

I do wish we had another Concorde moment... It's almost impossible, but one can dream.

All you flyboys here, I have a couple questions if you don't mind answering:
1) Have you ever feared for your life/the lives of your passengers while you were in the air? Why?
2) What can a liberal artsfag do in the commercial airline business? Any decent careers?

>>13842595
Is it not more because the planes are pretty much flown by computers and you do not get to do any cool shit in them..?

Why do people like aircraft? Is there just something I'm missing? My brother and dad love airplanes both old and new and I work at an airport and everyone there is always naming the kinds and getting exited when certain rare ones come land at our strip.

I think the tech is cool and watching them take off is neat but I just can't get into them.

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>>13842810
>Have you ever feared for your life/the lives of your passengers while you were in the air? Why?

Actually you are wary that you are riding something that in case it crashes, the survival chances are minimal.

The 175 once popped up a rudder failure alert in the ACARS, we were descending towards MIA. Nothing big happened, the rudder was working perfectly, the fucking ACARS loves to fuck with us.

But I can't deny sometimes I think that it might be my last day alive. But even if it sounds cheesy or retarded, I would give my life to save as many passengers as I can if the shit hits the fan.

2) What can a liberal artsfag do in the commercial airline business? Any decent careers?

You can go all the way to General Manager of a station. My mother studied physics and computer science, then studied business and had other degrees/masters (she likes to study). She is the GM of AA at JFK and Alaska Airlines in EWR. Very good pay.

You can start easily as a simple Agent, work your way as a lead, then duty manager, then manager and finally GM.

You have to really be competent and commited to your job, the airline industry doesn't give a shit about holidays or weekends, so if your main concerns are holidays and weekends, this is not your field. My mother had to oversee the whole US air and American Airlines merge at the day in which they were going to become one, she stayed from 3AM to next day 7AM. She could've just stayed home and wait for phone calls, but that's why she is there, because she actually gives a shit about the operation and enjoys her job, mind you she didn't study anything aviation related.

>>13842819
>Is it not more because the planes are pretty much flown by computers and you do not get to do any cool shit in them..?

Well computers/engines can fail and thats why we are there, we can also do everything manually, we are trained for that.

Pic related

>>13843271
Different strokes for different folks anon, some people love ships some love trains the mentally handicapped love bicycles. Nothing wrong with not liking something if you just can't get into it.

>>13843286
If only it was cheaper to fly commercial jets.

aircraft mechanic here

You fuckers wouldn't believe the state of some of the planes flying right now, namely due to corrosion in the primary structures, the floor beams and shear decks under the galleys being hit the hardest since that where all the coffee ends up when the hosties spill everything

>>13847355
I'm actual interested. Frequent flyer fag here.

>>13829143
g-greensboro NC..?

>>13847355
>>13847355
Mooaaaaar. Tell us moarrr

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>>13847355

>yfw spilled coffee causes a multi-hundred fatality crash

>>13843271
It's like people wonder why we find cars attractive or as a hobby, it's perfectly fine if you don't find planes interesting.

I find amazing the fact that such a colossal object can fly in the air and get moved by the wind like a paper.

>>13847355
What type of aircraft?? The material used for the aircrafts floor is actually protected so liquids and shit like that doesn't get to the actual aircraft floor.

I mean even older 727s, 707s are still flying today without breaking in half.

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>>13847355
Actual Aircraft mechanic here, I have never seen coffee spills cause corrosion, even on skins under the cockpit being primed only. Newer aircraft have a coat of paint to help on corrosion protection and cleanup.

Most corrosion inside the cabin is caused by lavatory leaks, urine is very corrosive and I've personally witnessed major structural repair due to this.

Pic me removing a citation X engine.

>>13851740
Exactly, don't you think Boeing or Airbus know about things like that?

Although I've never flown a different commercial aircraft besides a small Embraer 175, I find that coffee or even water in the main cabin or galley could cause corrosion.

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>>13851740
you've worked on every plane in existence?

this was on a 757 that was run by a budget airline and maintained on the cheap

I wasnt saying sources of corrosion are limited to hosties spilling shit

>>13851947
yeah they know those are higher risk areas but under normal scheduled maintenance it should be addressed before it becomes a problem, unfortunately things either get missed, penned off or gashed up in maintenance to save time. Pretty much every aircraft we get in go out late because of ageing inspections on previous repairs being found to be illegal.

>>13851255
it would take a hell of alot more that a few holes in the seat tracks to down a plane, they are tough as fuck.

>>13847706
>>13848373
theres nothing to worry about, I was exaggerating tbqh, the worst offenders are freighters due to more lax rules on scheduled maintenance and those are still perfectly airworthy (usually)

Have a pic of an apprentices screwdriver we turned into a fully jizzable cock made out of filler when we was bored in the summer

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>>13852051
>>13851740
Neither one of you is cheering me up at all right now

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>>13852093
aircraft are the safest means of travel bro, who else would you want to maintain the aircraft you fly on than two autists from /o/ :^)

have a pic of another apprentices speedbrace that I admittedly rushed into the form of a penis, fully functional!

>>13851740
oh and I forgot to ask, whats it like working bizjets, I mostly do engine work but I'll be changing ones more along the lines of RB211's, CF6's and V2500's

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>>13851740
MRO fag here I get paid to actually fix all of the parts you guys time change / are too lazy or stupid to fix. i do miss on aircraft maintenance but structures / components work if fun I never know what ill get.

>>13828572
>some rows on the bottom deck will not have windows.
Are you sure there will even be rows there? I can't really see how they will make such a strong structure that can hold those massive wings and engines just by the wall.

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>>13852051
Never once in my post did I mention I have worked on all airplanes in existence. My experience is based only on private/business jets. I have found coffee spills just by working other unrelated things, very few pilots ever write up coffee spills. I just stated that in my experience I have never seen coffee cause corrosion.

Here have a failed ACM.

>>13852288
You're just a glorified parts cleaner m8. We don't have time to rebuild or deal with dirty parts when the customer is waiting to go to Hawaii.

>>13852438
i was on aircraft for 6 years in the air force I know all about the rush but now I do everything from advanced der structural repairs to overhauling rudders and elevators, to un fucking a co-pilots chair

>>13852159
>whats it like working bizjets
I enjoy it, it's fast paced since I deal with unscheduled maintenance (shit that broke). So lots of trouble shooting and hauling ass to get airplanes out flying again.

I like working for charters cause they don't give a fuck about cost, they just want their plane back ASAP. Private owners can be a real pain, most nickel and dime everything and don't want to take care of their shit. Others (the ones who actually have money) don't care about cost, as long as it's done right, since their families ride the things. Overall a very cool job, every once In a while I get to fly in them and it's nice to see your work go away and fly with no issues.

>>13852390
well you said "actual aircraft mechanic here" as if to discredit what I said in my post, and by extension what I said about coffee being a cause of corrosion

>>13852505
sounds exactly like working on commercial then

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>>13852569
From what I hear commercial tends to be more unstable. Working on private/business jets seems to be more stable, since rich people gotta fly and don't want to fly commercial.

>>13852626
you mean for job stability?

here in the UK obviously being a permie is fine, a few places got shut down recently which sucks.

theres not enough connies on the circuit either for there to be an issue, always contracts going on, though alot are taking the piss.

I saw one advertising for a sheetie position at £11 an hour earlier wtf

there's stuff going in europe too so I wouldnt say it was unstable here really

>>13851740
Glorious Rolls-Royce AE 3007. Those things are so overpowered for the X man... Like GE90 on a 757 type of thrust. Ever flew on one?

>>13852693
>I saw one advertising for a sheetie position at £11

Jesus Christ, a well seasoned sheet metal guy makes average $40/hr here in burgerland.

I have worked on European registered aircraft and god I don't know what do you guys do but it's scary sometimes. You'd think as tight as AESA is you'd have less idiots. I don't mind that everything requires safety wire but some things are plain out not done right.

Mexican and South American aircraft are 2x as scary, we find things every now and then that makes the hair on our neck stand up.

>>13842810
>1) Have you ever feared for your life/the lives of your passengers while you were in the air? Why?
No, luckily. You can't think of fear when something goes wrong though, it is there, but you have to focus on the task at hand. I had 2 engine failures in my time in the navy, once in an EP-3, once in an EA-6B. The EP-3 has 4 engines, so no huge drama, the EA-6B does not fly well with an engine out though, so it was hairy

>2) What can a liberal artsfag do in the commercial airline business? Any decent careers?

Can't answer this as I'm not an airline guy.
>>13851740
How do you like working on the X? Haven't heard any complaints about it from mechanics around here.

>>13852718
I fly them. Great little jets.

>>13852718
Yep those engines are bulletproof. Rolls can defenitely into jets, I've seen bird strikes and bird ingestions that pilots never knew about. It's amazing the amount of material you can shave of the fan blades to get rid of bends or nicks.

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>>13852956
>How do you like working on the X? Haven't heard any complaints about it from mechanics around here.

Not bad really, I can basically troubleshoot just about every discrepancy from the cockpit through LRU tests.

Engine changes are a bit of a bitch but still not bad. Boost pumps can be replaced without defueling the airplane which we love.

The only real problem in the X is the rudder, yaw damp actuators are hard to get at and the pitch feel actuators are a bitch to change. Rudder A and B PCUs tend to leak and make a mess of the paint in the tail. Skydrol is very unforgiving to the belly and tail of a X.

Every pilot I've met seem to love the X, can't blame them it's a nice looking and performing plane. The new X+ is really nice, Cessna definitely stepped up their game with the interior.

Are you the same guys who complain about bike threads on /n/?

>>13854643
No

>>13853058
>The new X+ is really nice, Cessna definitely stepped up their game with the interior.
Yeah, I'm hoping I get to fly one of those eventually, but there's no reason for these people to upgrade from their Xs the X+, you can only get so opulent without being outright wasteful.

>>13828572

Emirates would be drooling over this design.

>this thread is still here
O-Oh okay

>>13856302
Kinda surprise as well. At least this board somewhat loves airplanes in general.

>>13834134
>Just swap the vins from a car with similar color and that's it.
If I were you, I'd shut the fuck up about that; you are talking about committing a felony, so I'd not talk about that, even on 4chan. You're not actually anonymous here.

That said, your job is awesome.

>>13852343

Good point. The bottom deck might end up being split into two halves (fore and aft).

>>13821422

LIAT only got the ATR in the last couple of years. It's been Dash 8's for decades.

>>13856581
>>13856302
because if this was /n/ it wouldnt last a day. Partly why i dont make aviation threads.

>>13857814
> What is Air Guadeloupes and Air Martinique
>What is Air Cariabes


You must be very young. What island are you from anyway?

>>13857814
Didnt include American Eagle btw, since I've never flown on theirs. RIP to muh Super ATRs

>>13852343
The wings hold themselves up.

>>13817229

does it have vtec though?

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>>13857933
>caring about non english speaking islands

>>13860589
Yes

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>yfw /n/ has officially invaded /o/

>>13853058
skydrol was very unforgiving to my entire face the other week too

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>>13863351
We run this place now

>>13860799
> Caring about Dominica ;)

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>>13817098
UK fag here! Don't worry they cannot beat Rolls Royce quality.

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>>13824495
>Rolls Royce engines
Lets see the Chinkies beat this.
ROlls Royce engines have god tier reliability, of whree you can find 89 year old Cars still riding like new on British Roads.

>>13864416
Cute GE90 :*

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>>13864434
What did you say, Chinkfag?

>>13864159
Yup

>>13838759
>trijets in 20XX
Sure thing, Princess.

>>13816732
>220 kph
>136.7 mph
>a jet going 136.7 mph
This is an achievement why?

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>>13865876
>during ground trials
It might have a chance of actually leaving the ground in the next year or two!

>>13864416
That is a huge turbofan. I would love to see a 787 up close. Biggest thing I get close to at FLL is a couple 767s and A330s

Another question for you pilot goys, it seems like you hate Airbus and love Boeing. Why is that? And is that a consensus among most pilots, no matter what part of the world the pilots are from?

Another question: are Airbus jets cheaper/ lower quality than Boeing or something? Just seems like the big name US airlines fly mostly Boeing jets these days while the smaller budget airlines are flying Airbus jets.

Juan moar question: What's the consensus on The older MD-8X and even 727? Somebody mentioned they are a bit rough to fly, but the 727 has to have some balls, yeah? Back in the day I used to always be on MD-8X's flying from ORD to Tampa on American.

>>13865905
Not a commercial pilot, I used to fly GA. HWO was pretty based a few years ago.


I'm assuming they like Boeing so much because they have an easier time flying it and because the 737 is the GOAT.


Most economy airlines use Airbus because that's what they can get for cheap. Pretty sure Delta is hogging most of the 717's and MD's ever since they bought Air Tran. I know Frontier primarily uses Airbus aircraft. Cheaper maintenance and buy price would be a guess. Doubt they put orders for new aircraft anyway.

>>13865876
>Abusing SI prefixes and unit symbols
Please re-read the SI Brochure.

>>13865905
Holy shit that's FLL, I used to work the line there. Didn't think I'd see this on /o/.

>>13868363
It's a nice airport.

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>>13863351
We always have

>>13870840
>bread on truck
seems legit

>>13872773
Kek'd.

The place I go to is the warehouse for all of the food places in the terminals. It is on the lower level right below the gates. If it is a small delivery like that bread, the dudes will just throw it in the pickup truck so they don't have to deal with security on the whole bread truck. When delivering there, it always takes forever to get in and out since you have to wait for a security escort.

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>>13828572

Even American planes are fat.

>>13852343
i think he meant that there will be a passenger deck below the wingbox

>>13873801
Oh great, fucking cargo class. Because flying doesn't suck enough now.

>>13873810
It's called the packed class. Certain low class ships had this feature hundreds of years ago when transporting cargo from Africa.

>>13872908
Shut your whore mouth.

>>13828572
Impractical design for a large transport aircraft for a number of reasons. There is no 797 on the table; Boeing has delayed the 737 replacement with the fourth-generation model, the 737 MAX. The next size up is the 787, which is current, then the 777, entering its third generation as the -8X and -9X. The 747-8 is also available but hasn't sold well, leaving the future of that model in doubt. Even larger aircraft like the A380 (and in the past the MD-12 and 747-600) haven't done well.

>>13829087
Except the uncontained engine failure on that Qantas flight, lel. Guess that's on Rolls Royce more than Hairbus though.

>>13831788
ATC here (currently KYIP tower, previously KDOV approach and OAKN approach/enroute low, owning SFC-FL290 and 50 miles in every direction was awesome), went jumpseating a few weeks ago on a 175. Nice jet. Fuck your jumpseat though, damn. Felt like I was going to deploy the speedbrakes with my knees. Other legs were a 737-900, which is still tight but not nearly as bad. Also my dad was the left-seater on those, cool experience.

>>13835755
ATC doesn't cancel flights, that's the operator. ATC implements flow programs, which may delay the flight for several hours, but we don't have any authority to actually cancel a flight. We also don't have the authority to close or open runways (or the whole airport), despite the fact that we have operational control of the movement area- that's done at airport management's discretion.

>>13838759
Supersonic business aircraft have been thrown around for years. Believe it only when you see one, and maybe not even then.

>>13865863
Trijet Falcons are still in production, competing with Gulfstreams, Global Expresses, etc. The year is now 2015.

If that guy who wanted to become a controller is still around, feel free to ask me anything. I've seen some shit, yo.

>>13876844
How's it being ATC?

>>13873910
>yfw it actually had a name, and that name was "steerage"

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>>13878330
>YFW I wasn't referring to that

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>>13878525
>yfw the airlines would do this if they could

>>13878672
Wouldn't work since Americans can't climb that high.

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>>13817145
>And then the Russians. But no civilized airline would use their planes.
Ilyushin actually makes pretty solid airlines, as far as I'm aware. A pity they are shadowed by Tupolev abominations.

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>airplane threads on /o/
Love when it happens. Also, press F to pay your respects to the supersonic airliners era.

>>13878701
>F

>>13878313
It's pretty chill. Training sucks no matter how many ratings you have, and like flying it seems to attract assholes, but the work is very enjoyable if you're the problem-solving type.

Working in a tower in the Midwest is pretty damn boring though. I don't miss living in Afghanistan but the work was way more fun.

>>13879176
Mind explaining how you got the job and how difficult passing the requirements was.

>>13879466
I was previously a controller in the US Air Force. That job I got by passing a minimum ASVAB score (70 general in the AF's "MAGE" system was the requirement at the time). I spent two months in basic, six months in technical training which basically amounts to getting rated at an extremely simple facility.

After that I went to Dover AFB as a radar controller. Training there at the time was approximately an 18 month process. I spent another two years there as a rated controller and had finished supervisory training when I was accepted for early release at just over 4 years of a 6 year enlistment.

At that time (summer '14) I applied for and almost immediately got a job with a contractor in Afghanistan, which only accepted experienced controllers. I stayed there and worked radar until I was picked up by the FAA on a hiring bid which required minimum 12 months experience as a rated controller (at the time I had about 36 months by their qualifications).

Because they're the feds, the hiring process sucked, but by the end of this summer I started working at a low-level tower (this being my first tower job) near Detroit.

>>13879962
Fuck. Working to becoming a US army officer was definitely not the correct choice then.. doubt the chair force would accept a trade. Guess ill just take the classes at a local college after getting my bachelor's. What's your pay at this point?

>>13879962
>>13880048


Wait, were you special ops or just attached to a team?

>>13879962
sup kay srs

>>13880066
As a controller my job is to ensure that aircraft get where they're going reasonably quickly without running into other airplanes or mountains or anything. The people who guide airstrikes have various names but most generally are JTACs; they are NOT air traffic controllers and air traffic controllers are not JTACs. Air Force JTACs (combat controllers, or CCTs) are typically attached to Army units. I believe the Marines have their own people for that.

>>13880048
US military controllers are all enlisted personnel, with some DoD civilians and (in the Army only) warrant officers in the mix. You're not wrong to join the Army - my current trainer is ex-Army - but you're wrong thinking being an officer is the path to controlling. My current pay is D3 at a level 5 facility with Detroit area locality, which comes out to $63,000 or so annually. I made nearly $150,000 yearly in Afghanistan, but that's not a career. Higher level facilities and rated controllers earn more money - supposedly guys at New York TRACON are pulling down a quarter million, but the overtime is a large part of that.

>>13880072
You still in China, man?

>>13880757
I'm doing the officer life mostly because I always wanted to, not so much because it'll get me a job. Very jelly of your job.

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>>13872908
>implying
Mind you, not that I'm giving shit to the Beluga, as a fellow Yuropean I do agree it is a great transporter, but boy, is it one fat bastard.

To bad there is no board for planes, trains, and bicycles.

>>13883068
I want a plane board.