Manual or automatic? http://strawpoll.me/5710787

No both option?
http://strawpoll.me/5710808

Both have their uses, and we've advanced automatic transmissions to the point where they work really well. I noticed a lot of the negative stigma people have against automatics were problems seen in early automatic transmissions.

Performance and general reliability wise, manual is better in many situations. I hope to see CVT technology be advanced enough to where it performs admirably... but for now they're fairly underwhelming and unreliable.

>>13633953
>advanced automatic transmissions to the point where they work really well
They shifts very well, but their reliability is even worse now. Most modern autotragics won't live past 100k without issues

>>13634141
That's complete bullshit.

>>13633785
Manual.

>b-b-but muh modern automatics are faster
Don't care. It's a subjective judgement and I enjoy driving more when I have a manual transmission.

>>13634141
Yeah that's complete bullshit apart from CVTs maybe.

>>13634162
I can vouch at least for ZF transmissions

explain why muh feels isn't a valid argument, autofags.

>>13633785

automated manual > manual > automatic >>>>>>> CVT

DSG or Toyota's CVT only :)

Manual transmissions are for fun driving
Automatic transmissions are for boring driving
Not all people enjoy driving, those people drive automatics.
Others really enjoy driving, they drive manuals.

>>13634250
TCU controlled Zf transmissions have always been shit though.

The 4speed in my E23 only lasted 130k miles.

Never had problems with getrags manuals though.

in what context?
manual for racing, speed and quick turns.
automatic for cruising and relaxed driving.

>>13634383
it has been 0 days since anon posted this pic

>>13634392
>implying those traits aren't applicable for both

>>13634661
With the exception of new autos especially automated manual, Most affordable automatics you can't control power output, and they bog down in turns making them slower out of the corners.

Manuals in higher torque cars can cruise easily while lower torque cars its not as easy.

>>13634939
>you can't control power output
Yea, you can. It's called a throttle.

Are you really this stupid?

>>13634945
Are you really that stupid?

When you go into a corner you're off the throttle and most autos don't down shift enough to where when you're back on the throttle there's no torque to launch out of corner, or the transmission take precious seconds to shift to the right gear.

In a manual you should already be in the right gear, with right amount of torque.

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>>13633785
>implying autofag opinion matters

>>13634961
No transmission takes second tobshift anything. Every even slightly sporty automatic allows nominative shifting nowadays, so you could easily been in the correct gear for the duration of a turn. Stop insulting people over dinosaur technology. It's not 1968 anymore, automatics are better

>>13635010
>Every even slightly sporty automatic allows nominative shifting nowadays,

>>13634939
>With the exception of new autos especially automated manual,

I just said that dumbass.

Regardless the vast majority of autos out there cannot do what you just described though, they do take seconds to find the right gear after having to shift through one or two other gears to find it.

Hell most older autos coast and do not even engine brake when you're off the throttle, and wont shift UNTIL you throttle back up.

Mean while an adept driver, driving a manual would be in right gear immediately and can launch out of the turn.

>DD a manual for bout 11 months now
>love it
>occasionally have to drive an automatic truck
>sucks, never in the gear I want it to be in, takes too long to shift up/wont shift down

Yea, nah, I'll stick with the stick

Manuel is more fun

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>>13634141
>Most modern autotragics won't live past 100k without issues

>>13634961
>When you go into a corner you're off the throttle and most autos don't down shift enough to where when you're back on the throttle there's no torque to launch out of corner, or the transmission take precious seconds to shift to the right gear.
Shift manually, stupid.

>>13635233
>Shift manually, stupid.

Then why would you be driving an auto then?

>>13635244
Because it can shift for me all the other times?

>>13635214
Have you ever driven any european car m8?

>>13635254
So you'll automatically remember to shift back down to the right gear coming up to the next turn?

>>13635289
Also you'll need to remember not to shift down too soon, since you don't have a clutch, and your transmission may not even allow it, since autos try to keep the car from even getting close to redline...

>>13635214
>sister's lincoln LS
>transmission completely dies at 120,000 miles
>dad's caravan
>transmission completely dies at 200,000km
>friend's beetle
>transmission loses reverse at 115,000 miles
>dad's silverado
>has gone through 2 transmissions by 230,000km
>mom's C10
>transmission starts going out at 107,000 miles

Can you guess the similarities? All auto

>>13633785
automatics are for people who live in areas full of other retards where 10 miles takes 2 1/2 hours (LA), or where retard DOTs put stop lights at the top of hills and nobody knows that you shouldnt stop 2 feet behind a car on a hill

>>13635289
What are you even asking?

>>13635304
>2004 silverado 4l60 trans
>215,000 miles no problems

Do you even maintenance?

>>13635315
>not being able to do a hill start without rolling back

Maybe you should git gud. I've been driving manuél for less than a year and I don't even roll back on a hill

>>13635344
>4l60 trans
>modern
okay

>>13635344
Yes, we do even maintenance. We also use the truck for working, hauling stuff well below the towing capacity. GM transmissions just suck

>>13635376
You ever owned a Honda/Acura, huh? HAVE YOU FAGGOT? DONT TALK TO ME ABOUT SUCK

>>13635370
>trans from 1992
>not modern
okay, you'd be right in 2 years

>>13635304
>Aisin Warner 30-40LE
>130,000 miles on the original fluid, still going strong after I changed it
I could've probably taken it to 200k with the original fluid if I didn't want it to last longer.

I prefer automatic because it's more advanced.

>>13635401
>>13635370
the modern era is 1860 to 1920

>>13634141
>Most modern autotragics won't live past 100k without issues
I won't say it's without issues, since it grinds like a ghetto bitch on the dance floor, but my '98 Ram 1500 with 286k miles still has the original transmission and still drives.

For driving, I prefer manual. For personal reasons, because I like my arm directly interacting with the powertrain; and for practical reasons, because I like being able to control what gear I'm in and the torque I'm putting to the ground. For practical purposes, any type of transmission which allows me to control which gear I'm in is all I want.

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>>13635370
>be you
>be 17
>not have the slightest clue about anything but dont even know it

Ok den..

>>13635412
Mah man

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>>13635376
the Th400 disagrees

>>13635304
>My Toyota Corolla
>transmission still going strong after 300k+ miles

git gud faggit stop buying shit cars

>>13636399
My friend had a brand new Toyota Yaris back in 2009. Transmission gone bad after 30k miles. I guess it's a always a roulette

>>13635304
Stop buying garbage you fool

>>13635376
Power glide? 4l80e? >>13636369 ?
Come on. This is bait.

>>13636477
>implying I buy garbage
Manuél only
>>13636479
Whichever one came in the 99 Silverado 1500 4x4

>>13636507
It's a 4L60E.

>>13636507
4l80e also came in those silverados

>>13636524
Only with the 1500HD with the 6.0.

I just don't see the benefits of automatic. Have nothing against it though. I just grew up in Germany where automatic was not common at all - so i don't even think about shifting anymore.

>>13636479
the 80e is a th400 with an OD
the powerglide is awesome, but has to be built up.
while a Th400 can take 600lbft stock and will mock your attempts to break it.

>>13633785
Ayy, fam. Where's the Sequential?

>>13636530
Or the 6.5 turbo diesel

DSG pls

I feel like I became better aware of my surroundings and more focused on the road when I started driving manual. Automatics make me lazy and prone to spacing out.

manual.


unless im in a city autotrag.

>>13636599
Wasn't put in the GMT800.

>>13636651
The 4l80e was in the GMT400, lol

>>13635289
>being this stupid

How would you not hear yourself at 5k rpms or even glance at the speedo?

>>13636431
I guess their quality went down the shitter. My Corolla is a 2003.
Might be planned obsolescence or maybe it's because it's a Yaris

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>>13636943
>implying autofags would know revs they're at by sound.

>>13636887
And your point is?

>>13636961
The original point of discussion is this anon, >>13636507
Which is a gmt400

>>13636988
1999 is GMT800, bub.

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>>13637009
Huh. Weird.

>>13637015
Silverado didn't exist as a model for the GMT400. Jesus dude, argue harder.

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>>13637036
Wh-what? Is this bait?

>>13637049
It's a trim level, stop arguing now.

>>13637036
>>13637062
>if I keep telling him to stop, maybe it'll make me seem less wrong!

>>13637062
In fact, technically we both could be right, since the 400 was continued, while the new style was being made. BUT in any case, your claim that Silverado didn't exist before the gmt800 is incorrect. While my original claim of the 4l80e being in these trucks is true. So.

>>13637076
A 1999 Silverado 1500 is a GMT800, get over it.

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>>13637102
From a gmt400 website. I'm sure they know more than both you and I

>>13634342
>Manual transmissions are for fun driving
>fun driving
yeah, stalling in every corner and the stupid stop-1st-stop again because pedestrians city driving it's fun.

>>13637215
yeah, i imagine being a physically uncoordinated spastic isn't much fun at all

>>13637131
A GMT400 would be a C/K1500, and the guy would know it. It wouldn't say Silverado anywhere on the truck, unless it had the small Silverado badges from the trim level. He has a Silverado 1500, that's a GMT800. It doesn't have a 4L80E unless it's a 6.0 1500HD. Case is closed.

>>13637229
It doesn't need to say Silverado on the damn truck. Its still a Silverado. Nobody says my 1999 Chevy C 1500. C/K is a designation for 2wd or 4wd.

>>13634961
>In a manual you should already be in the right gear, with right amount of torque.
in a manual, you have to take out your attention from the actual cornering and one hand from the steering wheel to put the correct gear, losing reaction time, in auto you just brake and use momentum to launch again.

The actual problem with autos, are 90's-2000's stupid and slow computerized gearboxes, old hydraulic-only auto trans where far more reliable, predictable and even durable.

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>>13637229

>>13637241
>It doesn't need to say Silverado on the damn truck
Yes, it does.
>Nobody says my 1999 Chevy C 1500
They sure did, maybe left off the C. I can see you're underage and don't know shit.

Take the L, nigga.

>>13637259
>in a manual, you have to take out your attention from the actual cornering and one hand from the steering wheel to put the correct gear, losing reaction time,

>Autofags actually believe this.

>>13637286
No, it certainly doesn't. Holy shit. We can agree to disagree. You've out autismed me.

>>13637259
>all those manualfags causing accidents around the world because shifting gears is hard

>>13637327
>being right is autistic now
Yea, okay buddy. Take the L nigga, bye.

>Started out driving on automatics
>Get a new manual car 6 months ago
>Go from a complete noob stalling at traffic lights right out of the dealership and for the next few months of learning
>Eventually become proficient where I rarely if ever stall out and decreasing the time it takes to shift while making that shift as smooth as possible
>Can now vary my speed at very low speeds in bumper to bumper traffic just using my clutch and some gas without ever stalling out
>Grow to love it more than autos

Feels fucking good man

I was missing out by driving only autos, it makes a big difference. Now I look forward to driving manual when I have to commute. Plus you have more control over the car by being able to launch, overtake easier, not holding down the brake pedal at every intersection, fuel economy vs acceleration, engine braking, and theft prevention if you're in the states.

>>13637389
Yeah i find shifting fun, too. Don't work your clutch to much though or you will need a new one after 70k miles.

>>13637404
Ok. I try to limit using the clutch only when shifting and not to drop it nor ease it for a long time. Also if I need to move a little. At a red light if I'm behind a few cars I'll even sit in neutral because they're some controversy whether depressing the clutch all the way in wears it or not.

>>13637435
I have been driving sticks all my life now and as far as my experience goes the clutch does not suffer from compressing it. Leaving it in neutral is still more comfortable though.

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>>13633785
Is an LS400 Automatically terrible?

>>13637404
Takes an afternoon and $2-700. Literally who cares if it wears out in 70K miles. Most people don't even own used cars for half of that

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>>13636988
>>13637049
>>13637076
>>13637100
>>13637229
>>13637241
>>13637286
>>13637327
>>13637337
>mfw as the original guy

(and no, the truck doesn't say silverado anywhere on it, just 1500)

>>13637215

>Living in a city

You fell for the industrialization meme, my friend.

>>13634141
Unless by issue you mean regular maintenance, you're full of shit, a total idiot, or both.

>>13637215
>stalling in every corner

Git gud. I haven't stalled my manual in like 3 months, and that was only because I had to reverse uphill during a three-point turn and my foot slipped on the clutch.

>>13637215
git gud

>>13635304
My dad's Caravan is at 250000 km and is still going strong. My old 2000 Explorer is almost there and is still going strong. Has your family heard of vehicle maintenance?