DMV licensed 800,000 undocumented immigrants under 2-year-old law

>>95515
Are you shaking with anger and outrage that illegal immigrants can be licensed drivers?

>>95520
>Are you shaking with anger and outrage that illegal immigrants can be licensed drivers?

I'm shaking with anger and outrage that illegal immigrants are still allowed in this country.

Since we aren't deporting them and they clearly don't care about breaking the law and will drive anyway, I see the logic in issuing driver's licenses. But does anyone know how we prevent an illegal with a licence from voting? I know in mn all I need is an id with my address to do same day registration, and with the California motor voter law I think they can do the same. So how is the fraud that liberals so vehemently deny being prevented? I've tried to do some research but have not been able to find anything, other than president Obama promising that voter rolls will never be used to find and deport illegals.

>>95524
All whites are illegal immigrants to the US tbqh...most latinos are native to the americas and all the americas belong to them

>>95528
>I want free stuff, here are the mental gymnastics of why I should get free stuff.

>>95529
what free stuff? whites plundered, raped and looted and got all the free stuff...immigrants work there asses off for a pittance.

>>95530
>>Many of those who received driver’s licenses under the law now fear they’ll become deportation targets if federal immigration authorities can access their DMV information, despite assurances from state officials that it won’t happen.

lmao no, it will happen.

I guess this is why someone shouldn't assume any foreign government ever has their well being in mind. What did they think, that a country who'd import them as a slave labor force to suppress the wages of their own citizens cares about them or their families?

Newsflash: you were never supposed to prosper here. You got exploited and now that you've become such visible issue, you're disposable. Welcome to the real America, you shouldn't have been here in the first place.

>>95527

In order to encourage more people to vote, they try to make the process as user-side light as possible, shifting much of the work to the system. You address, name, and ID are the only things needed of you, bu they are in turn used to confirm your social security number and proof of citizenship as well as state residence. If there's a problem with the information provided, then it rejects that registration (though I don't know much about the details myself, so I don't know how fast it processes it in the even of a same-day registration).

>president Obama promising that voter rolls will never be used to find and deport illegals.

Because logically illegal aliens will never be on thee voter rolls, and if one was somehow able to get on the voter rolls then they would be indistinguishable from the others.

>>95532
Really? Because I thought one of the arguments against voter id laws is that some old folks don't have a ssn and therefore can't be easily issued an id. If it was verified the way you say these actually undocumented people ( as opposed to unauthorized immigrants, who are undocumented because they don't belong here) would already be purged from the voter rolls.

>>95520

Why would I? This just makes it easier to hunt them down later on.

>>95536

The voter ID for voting and voter registration issues are separate, and most complaints are about the ID for voting and not registration itself (non of the voter ID laws change the registration process).

I haven't heard about old people SSN problem specifically, most the arguments I have heard against voter ID is that the requirements for non-driver ID are unusually strict (which applies more to old people and urban voters since they are less likely to have active driver ID) like requiring three different forms of identification. Also in some states, which non-driver IDs that were allowed for use were (and still are) very specific to target certain voter groups and prevent them from voting (this was the Carolina law that was recently struck down, "targeted African Americans with surgical precision").

>>95530
You are naive and stupid and this is why and how whites took those resources from you. Should China give back most of it's land back to India because those lands were Indian hundreds of years ago? Idiot.

>>95546
You are a complete retard. China and india are separated by himalayan mountains. Like most whites you are probably on welfare, fat and lazy. Thats why immigrants are being brought in to the US because whites are too stupid and lazy to do any real work

>>95561
>he doesn't even know about the Sino-Indian war

Wetback education

>>95564
retard cracker...chinese raped and plundered tibet & the whole civilized world is against that..Sino indo war was a trivial border clash and those lands could easily be returned in a future settlement...your fat, welfare, NEET ass cant comprehend that tho.. lol

>>95564
lol
http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/
>Europeans almost all descend from farmers who slowly moved northeast from what is now Turkey. They subsumed the hunter-gatherers whom they encountered, but pockets of the old hunters still remain. The Saami people—formerly known as the Lapps—live in Scandinavia and speak a language close to Finnish. Finns and Saamis ''used to say they had a common history, one that goes back to Romantic myths of coming from the Urals,'' says University of Munich researcher Svante Paabo. Genetically, the Saami are indeed distinct from the mass of Europeans. ''But the Finns look like everyone else in Europe,'' says Paabo. ''The Finns borrowed their language from the Saami, probably when they came as farmers. Then they pushed away the Saami by taking more and more land.'' The Basques also seem to be an outpost of the earlier hunters; their DNA carries different motifs than that of the surrounding Europeans.
Every family is full of illegal immigrants if you go far back enough.

Can you have insurance as an illegal immigrant? Do insurance companies ask for legal residence? Should they?

>>95573
It depends on which state. California, where OP's news takes place, is one of the states that requires all vehicles to be insured before driving on the road no matter who owns them, including illegal immigrants.

>>95570
plz no bully...my drugs wore off and now I don't feel as aggressive ;_;7

>>95528
Latinos are Spanish, and are in no way "native to the americas" you fucking ignorant.

>>95600
latinos are native niggers you dumb retarded baboon

>>95609
google latino, youre so so dumb.

>>95527
you cant vote in California without citizenship or residency

>>95611
nobody believes you. illegals vote.

>>95610
dumb spic detected

>>95614
how do they do that without registering to vote?

>>95622
Russian hackers help them, duh!

>>95622
They can register to vote with a drivers license.

Plenty of smart important people have admitted vote fraud exists. People are being sued as we speak. It's bizarre for you to pretend that it's something republicans invented.

>>95629
>They can register to vote with a drivers license.
No they can't. They are rejected by the voter registrar when they check their fake SSN number.
>Plenty of smart important people have admitted vote fraud exists.
Source? The stat I heard is that before 2014 there were less than 40 cases in the last 30 years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

>>95644
>They are rejected by the voter registrar when they check their fake SSN number.
This is voter registration fraud, not voting fraud. There is a big difference everyone seems to skip over.

>>95644
>Source?
I was just kidding. Of course, it's impossible to rig the presidential election in any way.

>>95644
In fact, the so-called 31 credible incidents are actually false flags.

>>95515
Did they have to take tests to get their licenses?

>>95692
[citation needed]

>>95629
All states are required by law to ensure their ID laws disallow non-citizens from gaining a paper-trail necessary for access to services and privileges constitutionally exclusive to citizens, like the ability to vote for candidates in national, state, and local elections.

Even if they could gain access to a driver's license, it wouldn't help them in voter fraud because it would be pointless to use it to prove their identity when their DMV branch can't register them to vote in any county in the first place.

>>95694
it's common sense

how can somebody vote when it's against the rules?

you all are so fucking dumb I'm not replying.

>VOTER FRAUD DOESN'T REAL

Here's how registering to vote works.

>Fill out information
>Claim to be a citizen
>Voter registration achieved

You really think there is some body verifying every voter's citizenship?

-_________-

>>95600
Self hating mestizo rape baby detected.

>>95703
information needed for a driver's license:
>Your current drivers license. ...
>Your full legal name. ...
>Your Social Security number. ...
>Proof of legal presence, identity, and date of birth.
>Proof of residency. ...
>Proof of a name change (if applicable).

you need a valid state issued ID to register to vote. You need an SS number to get a state-issued ID. Each citizen has a unique SS number. So I'm not sure how they could invent one or steal someone else's. It would become immediately obvious if they tried.

>>95704
You're just a stupid person, whatever species you are.

>>95713
illegals can get state ID is various ways.

>>95724
if there is a means to produce a paper trail necessary to get a state-ID, it would be quite simple for anyone to detail that, and the result would be scandalous in the extreme. No state government is insane enough to enable that. Not even CA. Congress would act very quickly to enact legislation to obstruct them or face nationwide backlash of epic proportions.

>>95629
>Plenty of smart important people have admitted vote fraud exists. People are being sued as we speak. It's bizarre for you to pretend that it's something republicans invented.
The voter fraud alleged by Veritas was busing around citizens to vote at different locations, not illegals voting.

>>95713
>It would become immediately obvious if they tried.
It really wouldn't be. All you need in order to vote is to be on a list. It is quite easy to get on the list without a SSN: somebody puts you on the list. The people in charge of those lists are not specialists, they are part-time employees or volunteers who just want to help out. They are not (in general) undercover ICE agents, and based on numerous reports it seems they are not suspicious.

There have been instances where people find absurd numbers of names at one address [1]. There have been instances where one person registers at multiple addresses [2]. There have been instances where people without SSNs call the fucking officials and ask, themselves, for their names to be taken off [3]. There have been instances of dead people voting [4].

The idea that "you need an SSN to vote, SSNs are unique, therefore voter fraud is impossible" is nice, but it's also wrong.

[1] http://ktla.com/2016/11/03/possible-voter-fraud-being-investigated-in-san-pedro-after-83-ballots-are-mysteriously-delivered-to-one-womans-apartment/
[2] http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,8611,7-127-1640_9150-360957--,00.html
[3] http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegal-voters-uncovered-philly-just-tip-iceberg/
[4] http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/cbs4-investigation-finds-dead-voters-casting-ballots-in-colorado/

>>95739
Veritas has alleged quite a lot of voter fraud. See http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120122/NEWS06/701229993 for another.

>>95728
>the result would be scandalous in the extreme

No, it wouldn't be. This is in part because whenever there is a news story about it, people like you say "it must be fake because if it were real, it would be a huge scandal".

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/05/23/cbs2-investigation-uncovers-votes-being-cast-from-grave-year-after-year/

http://iowapublicradio.org/post/des-moines-woman-says-she-voted-twice-trump-because-polls-are-rigged

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Democrat-admits-role-in-voter-fraud-case-2142541.php

Why weren't you scandalized when any of these things happen? Are you going to be scandalized now?

>>95740
>It really wouldn't be. All you need in order to vote is to be on a list. It is quite easy to get on the list without a SSN: somebody puts you on the list. The people in charge of those lists are not specialists, they are part-time employees or volunteers who just want to help out. They are not (in general) undercover ICE agents, and based on numerous reports it seems they are not suspicious.

Would it help if they were undercover ICE agents? ICE agents and volunteers are both humans and both commit the occasional error.

>There have been instances where people find absurd numbers of names at one address [1]. There have been instances where one person registers at multiple addresses [2]. There have been instances where people without SSNs call the fucking officials and ask, themselves, for their names to be taken off [3]. There have been instances of dead people voting [4].

There are lots of errors in registering hundreds of millions, but none significant enough to swing an election or suggestive of mass conspiracy.

If some citizens / lawyers want to identify irregularities like someone accidentally being registered then they can file requests for information and do that, and that's great, that's how our democracy works.

But the handful of cases of actual fraud we've witnessed are hardly sufficient to conclude that the inevitable faults in such a decentralized system (intentionally so to prevent mass conspiracy) produce anything more than negligible differences in outcomes, let alone that fraud consistently favors one party.

>>95728
this person is SOoo full of shit, disgusting.

>>95745
Here's some more. This isn't hard, this is just what I'm finding by googling things like "admits voter fraud".

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/ohio-poll-worker-convicted-on-multiple-counts-of-obama-biased-voter-fraud/

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/05/23/cbs2-investigation-uncovers-votes-being-cast-from-grave-year-after-year/

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/

http://www.wral.com/state-elections-officials-seek-tighter-security/13533579/

>>95749
>source?
Well, for one, check http://watchdog.org/123576/voter-fraud/ , particularly the quote from Debbie Lane, who was one of these volunteers/employees/whatever. She was handing out ballots to people who showed up.

>I wasn’t sure what I was allowed to do. … I can’t tell someone not to vote, I suppose.

That's the gatekeeper between voting and not voting, who has just seen pretty obvious evidence that someone is attempting fraud.

That doesn't even matter, though, because in-person voting fraud is trivial compared to mail-in fraud.

>There are lots of errors in a population of 130M, but none significant enough to swing an election or suggestive of mass conspiracy.

Great, we agree that voting fraud is possible. Now we're just arguing about the scale. This is a huge step from your earlier position of "SSNs make voting fraud impossible".

>But the handful of cases of actual fraud we've witnessed are hardly sufficient to conclude...

How about this: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-05-05/news/ct-met-east-chicago-mayors-20110505_1_mayor-george-pabey-robert-pastrick-political-corruption . In particular, this paragraph here:

>The 2003 election results, in which Pastrick defeated Pabey, were thrown out by the Indiana Supreme Court after Pabey discovered evidence of widespread vote fraud. Pabey then won the revote in a landslide.

This isn't Chicago, it's East Chicago, but There you go: evidence of far, far more than "negligible differences in outcomes".

>let alone that fraud consistently favors one party.

I'm not arguing that point, because while there are heaps and heaps of evidence, sorting through it isn't something I care to do. I'm interested only in providing support for the claim "voter fraud exists and is a problem that should be dealt with". For me, personally, that's even subclaim of the stronger point "the voting system of the US sucks and is not sufficient for it's intended purpose", but that's beyond the scope of this thread.

>>95751
Every state in the union either requires provision of an SS# or documentation which in turn requires an SS# to acquire to get on voting rolls.
Let's that of one million for a given sort of ID, 1% are from illegals. Of those 10,000, 1% try to register to vote, just for the heck of it. Of those 100, an employee will occasionally slip up and allow one to fall through the cracks, register a dude who didn't have it coming to him. 1 / 1 000 000 voters.
Then add the folks voting on behalf of their dead grand parents, or neighbors who they know aren't voting. Let's be generous and say that brings the number of otherwise ineligible voters voting up to 100 / 1 000 000.
So one out of 10 000 votes shouldn't count. Even if it was one out of 1 000, that's not going to change the popular vote or the electoral vote in any presidential election in recent history, even if they all went for the same dude.

An employee processes he might accidentally register one dude to vote who didn't have it coming to him, and since the documents do filter through humans.

>>95756
>which in turn requires an SS# to acquire to get on voting rolls.
No, they don't. Try reading the links I posted before.

>Let's that...
Your assumptions are completely unsubstantiated here. First, you're assuming that only 1% of those with illegal IDs try to vote, and that our government has a 99% success rate in detecting illegal voters who already have IDs. That's completely irrelevant, though.

>It's conceivable that...
Yes, it is. However, it's also conceivable that far, far more is happening. You keep thinking about voter fraud as "someone acquires a fraudulent ID and, on election day, drives to a voting station they shouldn't". What about the case I linked to in >>95740 , in which 83 absentee ballots were delivered to one address? Such a thing is technologically possible (I'm not saying whether that was a bug, or whether it was deliberate), and did not require IDs. So we have

1) Technology which makes it possible for someone to vote dozens or hundreds of times, and
2) A society full of people who are willing to commit voter fraud (see any of the examples linked to in this thread).

Of the links in this thread, a disturbing number of them involved voter fraud perpetrated by officials/volunteers/employees/whatever.

If you want to get highly technological, check out

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/11/the_problem_wit.html , particularly the examples (search for "Volusia County" to get a good one, and if you tell me "it's not going to change the electoral vote", look at the state and year).

This is the real threat. The accounts of people voting twice, or even thrice(!) are simply evidence to convince you that the system has problems. The degree to which they are exploited is something we can only guess at.

>>95758
I've seen this post dozens of times but for some reason it actually convinced me just now!

Perhaps your post is so bad it's good? All I know is I'm convinced to supporting whatever retarded shit you were suggesting.

>>95530
Yes because every other country in the world was built no blood spilled. Those evil whites tho.

>>95611
>you cant vote in California without citizenship or residency
Incorrect. To vote in California you have to show I.D. and check a box saying you are a citizen. Drivers licenses for illegals are no different from legal citizens licenses so there is no way for a poll worker to check citizenship. There is currently no agency reviewing whether the "I am a citizen check box" is being abused.
Let's review the mail in voter registration form.
https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal%20Voter%20Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf
Page 4 National Form, no SSN required.
Page 9 California, CA Driver's License accepted as proof of citizenship, instructions to leave race/ethnic group blank.

It's a system that supports fraud and denies collection of evidence.

>>95614
>>95629
>he believes the #FakeNews he reads on /pol/

>>95874
>he believes the regurgitated msm on /news/

>>95515
Well now they can drive themselves back to Mexico.