Conspiracy Theorists: 'Pizzagate' Shooting Just a False Flag

>"There's no doubt about it in my mind," said Fetzer, a former philosophy professor and the founder of a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "You see, this is part of the whole idea to smear the alternative media, which are putting out so much more truth than the mainstream."

>Welch — a fitfully employed, 28-year-old father of two from North Carolina — is being held without bail. He told The New York Times in a jailhouse interview that he "just wanted to do some good and went about it the wrong way."

>Once a conspiracy theory gains traction, confronting true believers with facts is pointless, said Michael Barkun, a professor emeritus at Syracuse University's Maxwell School and the author of "A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America."

>"When you get to conspiracy theories like this, they're closed systems of ideas," Barkun said. "They're constructed in such a way that there isn't any evidence you can present to someone who believes them that will lead a believer to change his or her mind."

>"Pizzagate" believers point out references to pizza in Podesta's hacked emails, which were published by WikiLeaks, and Comet owner James Alefantis' ties to Democratic donors. They scour Alefantis' social-media posts and even his restaurant's menu for "code words" and "symbols" that supposedly reference child sexual abuse. They jump to incredible conclusions based on Podesta's and Alefantis' tastes in art.

>Fetzer and other conspiracy theorists seized on the fact that Welch had dabbled in movie acting as a giveaway that his visit to the restaurant was staged. Welch wrote a short film and appeared as a victim in a slasher movie alongside a friend, Kathy Sue Holtorf, who told the AP that Welch "never wanted to become an actor."

>Blogger Joachim Hagopian, a false-flag proponent, told the AP that conspirators look for "a patsy or stooge" to pose as a lone gunman with an assault rifle. Welch "fits the pattern" with his acting background.
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>"He's got an IMDB (Internet Movie Database) profile," Hagopian said.

>Conspiracy theorists have made similar claims about parents of the 20 children who were killed at Sandy Hook in Newtown Connecticut, in 2012, calling them "crisis actors" pretending to grieve for nonexistent children. Sandy Hook was a false flag meant to promote gun control, the conspiracy theorists said. Just this week, a Florida woman was charged with threatening the parent of a child who died in the shooting because she thought the attack was a hoax, according to federal authorities.

>The ultimate false flag in modern times, according to conspiracy theorists, was Sept. 11, 2001. Some believe the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by the government, using bombs or other means, as part of a plot to justify the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

>Hagopian said he believes attacks since then — including the mass shootings last year in San Bernardino, California, and this year at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida — also were false flags.

>Hillary Clinton has been linked by conspiracy theorists to child sex abuse since the mid-1990s, Barkun said. Andrew Breitbart, the late founder of right-wing site Breitbart News — later led by President-elect Donald Trump's chief strategist, Stephen Bannon — tweeted in 2011 that Podesta was a "world class underage sex slave op cover-upper."

>Radio host and Trump supporter Alex Jones, a well-known conspiracy theorist, said in a YouTube video Sunday that he believes the claims about powerful Democrats abusing children, but he wasn't convinced Comet Ping Pong had anything to do with it.
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>"The big bug zapper to distract all the investigators is the D.C. pizza place," Jones said.

>The video was deluged by comments criticizing Jones for backing away from the "pizzagate" story.

>Conspiracy theories can help believers process genuinely horrific news, such as child sex abuse scandals involving the Catholic Church or Penn State University, said James Broderick, an English professor at New Jersey City University and the co-author of "Web of Conspiracy: A Guide to Conspiracy Theory Sites on the Internet."

>"Having a targeted source of villainy creates, in some people's minds, a feeling of control," Broderick said. "Evil isn't random. It's a result of these nameable forces that we can target."

Is there any consistent evidence of Pizzagate being true besides odd keywords in emails written by an eccentric govt employee? The recent shooter being a failed actor is intriguing but there are fucking sad mental fucks out there.

>>90874
You should really ask on >>>/pol/. They have regular generals on the subject there staffed with "Experts" on all the supposed claims. Not to mention this board isn't for posting infographics, which seems to be the preferred form for "evidence" in those threads beyond pastebin links and youtube videos.

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>>90881

>Told to come to /news/ for factual discussion that isn't just shitposting
>Told to go back to /pol/ for the actual "discussion" part

Thank you

>>90939
Read the /news/ sticky. This place was never supposed to be about discussion.

>>90874
>>90941
Conspiracy theories are defined by a lack of clear and damning evidence but having a lot of coincidental and compelling hints and theories. We will never know if "pizzagate" is the truth, because there is no "credible" (mainstream credibility more than internet credibility) journalism outlet which will investigate it.
It is reasonably probable that there are pedophiles in high-ranking political positions across the globe. Some of them have probably conspired with other politically-minded pedophiles, and some of them maybe even run a pedophile ring.
What I can say for certain is that none of them will ever be caught or exposed publically. If anything, a few low-totem pole types might get tossed in jail, but at this stage of covering up even that looks unlikely. If such a conspiracy really exists, you won't see any names, any significant arrests, and you certainly won't see any connections to big name political machines like the clintons.
If you look into it, though, it certainly sends a chill down the spine. Especially when there are people running charity organizations which have been documented attempting to kidnap orphans in disaster struck regions i.e. Haiti. These organizations have ties to larger political organizations in the U.S., including organizations such as the Clinton Foundation. However, these ties are not enough to hold up in any court whatsoever and these connections, if they exist, are slim and well-concealed.
So, the answer is we'll never know but the whole situation screams of something much larger than it appears and that is why everyone is obsessed over finding the truth, which they will likely never find.

Captcha: Select all the images with pizza.

>>90961
>It is reasonably probable that there are pedophiles in high-ranking political positions across the globe. Some of them have probably conspired with other politically-minded pedophiles, and some of them maybe even run a pedophile ring.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think what's being left out of this is that pedos are literally everywhere, in all walks of life, from the upper echelons of the elites of the world to the lowest, most remedial industries like fast food. Chris Hansen proved that once you put a vulnerable and unsupervised pre-teen out on the internet flirting with strangers, all kind of predators come out of the woodwork to take the bait.

>>90963
I completely agree, but I believe that it's morally wrong to only put low-status, average Joe pedophiles in jail when Moneybags McBoylover gets away with abusing as many children as he and his creepy international business pals can get away with. As usual, the ones with money and power have the ability to get their sick kicks with no repercussions while the less powerful scumbags are held accountable for their actions. If we're going to have laws regulating morality (which I don't see as a bad thing), it's morally wrong to ignore transgressions of moral laws on part of those with the power and influence to get away with it. I know that this isn't exactly a brand new human conundrum but it's so disgusting to me to enforce morality on the average citizen but not on the societal elites. Things like pedophilia, rape, sexual abuse are moral issues and governed by laws which appeal to intrinsically human ideas of right and wrong, and if those laws only apply to the average citizen they don't hold any weight because they've already broken their own foundations in moral correctness.

>>90792
>NYTimes
Immediately loses all credit

Like fucking clockwork.

>>90969
So then you are arguing it's more of a class warfare issue that poor pedos are persecuted more than rich pedos, often facing death in prisons at the hands of other inmates?

I'm not sure I agree. I think money enables most immoral behaviors but it doesn't make them any more prevalent than they already were before modern society came about.

In any case I see this Pizzagate scandal as just the latest updated iteration of what used to be known as Pedowood on /pol/ years ago, except now it suddenly involves the Clintons as where before it was centered around the Bush family and The Queen of England and some random Congressmen.

tl;dr lol tinfoilfags

>>90978
I'm not sure that money makes it more prevalent, moreso the money and influence makes it easier to cover up these activities and get away with them. I've not heard of pedowood and I usually steer clear of /pol/ but I do believe that there are wealthy pedophiles in hollywood who take advantage of young, aspiring actors and actresses, and because of their wealth and media/government influence they get away with it more readily than if they were a lesser-status pedophile.
I'm not sure that class warfare is an accurate term, because there is no active "war" on the lower classes, just a fact as old as human history: the law need not apply to those rich enough and powerful enough to defend themselves. If you're a pedo capable of funding a multi-million dollar lawsuit, the courts aren't going to go after you because there's a good chance you'll not only successfully defend yourself but that you might turn it around and win a countersuit for libel/slander/damages or whatever.

The fact anybody wants to split hairs is bullshit, looks like a dick talks like a dick walks like a dick it's probably a duck

>>90796
>Blogger Joachim Hagopian, a false-flag proponent, told the AP that conspirators look for "a patsy or stooge" to pose as a lone gunman with an assault rifle. Welch "fits the pattern" with his acting background.
>"He's got an IMDB (Internet Movie Database) profile," Hagopian said.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/