http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2016/11/16/trumps-rise-first-stage-white-nationalist-movement-says-alt-right-leader-dallas
Donald Trump was elected president.
"When it happened, I thought I might have been dreaming," he said.
Spencer, a 38-year-old Dallas native and graduate of St. Mark's School of Texas prep school, is a key intellectual leader of the alternative right, a label he coined in 2008 to describe the radical conservative movement defined by white nationalism and a fervent resistance to multiculturalism and globalism.
In his mind, Trump "is the first step, the first stage towards identity politics for white people."
"That is something major," Spencer said Tuesday night. "He's not your father's conservative. He's not in this to promote free markets or neoconservative foreign politics or to protect Israel, for that matter. He's in this to protect his people. He's in this to protect the historic American nation."
"They are a conscious repudiation of the American conservative movement," said Dan Morenoff, a 42-year-old lawyer from North Dallas and former head of the Republican Jewish Coalition chapter in North Texas. "They affirmatively reject the American ideals that conservatives have tried to conserve over the last 50 years. But I think a better description for them is barbarians. They are barbarians who would replace American culture with an ethno-national state."
OOOYYY VEEEEEYYYY
These views have some local Jewish community members "horrified," but Morenoff said no one has any reason to be afraid. The alt-right may support Trump, but the general sentiment in the American community is far from the hate he says they espouse. He is however "preaching constant vigilance to people -- wherever they are on the political spectrum."
>alt-right
>Racists!
>Bigots!
>Uneducated!
>Whites!
>Nationalists!
Since when does caring about your country first make you racist? I don't hate any race. I just want a more nationalistic approach to governance. Why does the media interpret this as racism?
Ohh, right. Because the liberal agenda needs to be pushed. And boy, are they pushing hard now.
>>86588
>Since when does caring about your country first make you racist?
When you come to the realization that your country can't exist unless whites make up a majority.
>>86588
>Since when does caring about your country first make you racist?
When fringe far right extremism became trendy and mainstream. (i.e. "The Tea Party Revolution of 2010-2014). The counterculture conservatives of a couple of years ago now run the party.
>>86579
>replace American culture
What "culture"? Rap music? Rock? Miley Cyrus? Folk music, old country, etc. aren't threatened by the alt-right. What culture is this guy talking about?
>They affirmatively reject the American ideals that conservatives have tried to conserve over the last 50 years.
What is he referring to? The Great Society and the Immigration Act of 1965 were signed in by Democrats and leftists. If anything the alt-right is returning the Republican Party back to it's pre-Neo-Conservative, Iraq War, George Bush Admin roots.
>>86599
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/alternative-right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
>>86601
The SPLC isn't an unbiased source, anything ethnocentric is considered a dangerous organization.
>>86601
>notice the alt-right's definition has numerous sources
>check sources at the bottom of the page
>Vice, VOX, People magazine, Rolling Stone, Washington Post, Salon, Towleroad (?), and a handful of articles from mainstream media
>>86637
Did you ever consider multi-racial societies were inherently divisive, tribalist, and prone to internal strife? Honestly I, and most of the "alt-right", aren't against multi-culturalism on a small scale, but rather replacement rate emigration.
>muh msm
I am perplexed how there can be outrage against Citizens United, where corporations are deemed personages, but any criticism against corporate, profot based and driven media are derided. Rather hypocritical my good friend :^)
>>86579
>Alt-right
>not a liberal meme boogeyman
From a social democrat, suck my cock.
>>86639
>I, and most of the "alt-right", aren't against multi-culturalism on a small scale, but rather replacement rate emigration.
The white nationalist groups are the ones calling themselves "Alt-Right". they brag to the media about using Pepe in their propaganda. Don't pretend like it's a media creation.
>Citizens United
"Don't try to justify bad behavior by pointing out someone else's bad behavior." --Bill O'Reilly.
>>86643
Only the left calls the alt right "alt right".
>>86644
You're adorable.
http://www.daily
stormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/
>>86645
>a normies guide
Reading comprehension m8erooni
>>86643
But I am opposed to Citizens United and MSMs?
>>86647
lol okay, you should go tell weev that the only leftists call it "the alt right". Nobody told him apparently.
>>86649
It's like GLR's American Nazi Party; Nazi was a pejorative created by Jews to describe the National Socialists. Eventually the popular term becomes the used, much akin to PoC being considered a pejorative 30 years ago but is now pushed as preferable.
>>86599
>culture is music
>>86716
>what are examples but not summations
I thought liberals were intelligent.
>>86597
>far right extremism
When did a bunch of goobers protesting their dogshit representation in government become "FAR RIGHT" and "EXTREMIST" ?
This is just boogeyman bullshit to slap people with an prepackaged demonized label so the total morons that make up most of the human population ignores their totally valid and relateable complaints for fear it would overturn the apple cart
>>86579
The alt-right is literally just a few /pol/ trolls on twitter that the media blew up into a massive bugaboo so they could get their human quotas out to vote for their decomposing skeleton of a candidate.
Good. Let em get more popular, it'll mean theyll fuck off from 4chan due to contrarianism factor. They could run all of society for all I care, as long as they fuck off from here and stop derailing every thread under the sun
I mean, look at this faggotry, they would've been laughed off the site 6 years ago
>>86588
>>86760
Sure, there are viable complaints that the alt right has
But
They also have some utterly retarded tinfoil beliefs, and it doesnt help that its a movement based in resentiment just like the SJW and Idpol menace. Two sides of the same shit coin.
>>86766
There is literally 0 structured belief system for the non-existent entity that is the alt-right because it's a manufactured catch-all term for anime twitter profiles trolling journalists and mental children by calling them cucks and jews so badly that they had to air their apocalyptic butthurt out into the mainstream news to convince people that a handful of autistic weeaboos from Australia represent something outside of their bedrooms and fucking 4chan.
>>86760
>When did a bunch of goobers protesting their dogshit representation in government become "FAR RIGHT" and "EXTREMIST" ?
I'm pretty sure it was when actual neo nazis started changing their twitter avatars to Pepe and calling themselves "Alt Right".
>>86787
see >>86645
The "belief system" is clearly outlined for you.
>>86639
>Did you ever consider multi-racial societies were inherently divisive, tribalist, and prone to internal strife?
Of course i've considered that, but it's you guys who seem to take it as fact instead of simply 'considering' it
>>86761
have you ever been on /pol/? there are hundreds of unique IP's all spewing the same shit day in day out
>>86761
This. Alt-right is newspeak
>>86588
>Since when does caring about your country first make you racist?
If by 'caring about your country first' you mean saying that white people should have more rights than others, that is by definiton racism you dumbass
>>86579
>or to protect Israel, for that matter.
But that's something that he wants to do???
>>86639
>Did you ever consider multi-racial societies were inherently divisive, tribalist, and prone to internal strife?
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But whether you like it or not, the America of today is a multi-racial society, and opposing multi-racialism is un-American.
>but rather replacement rate emigration.
There really isn't an alternative way to maintain an adequate workforce, unless we develop robots like Japan is doing, or go back to being subsistence farmers.
>but any criticism against corporate, profot based and driven media are derided.
Because most of those who criticize "mainstream media" put fringe media on a pedestal and tout it as unbiased truth. When the reality is, most fringe media is far more agenda-driven than mainstream media, and furthermore, since the fringe media are not as subject to public scrutiny, they have little incentive to be objective.
>>86651
>Nazi was a pejorative created by Jews to describe the National Socialists
How is Nazi a pejorative? It's literally a shortened version of the German word for national socialist.
>>86802
>alt-right is newspeak
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
>written by Milo
>>86803
he didn't say white people first shithead he said our nation should focus on ourselves. why is it that every fuckface has to demand that white people must hate their own race while any other race is allowed to favor themselves and keep promoting their race while its an heavily implied unwritten crime for whites not hate others of our own race?
>>86825
Took the words out of my mouth...
Some of you are beyond retarded. Killary is facing the gavel for her planned crimes against nature but you all still wanna bicker and bitch about things between one another.
>>86825
>he didn't say white people first
>goes on to explain that white people should treat whites first
WEW LADDY
>>86788
>I'm pretty sure it was when actual neo nazis started changing their twitter avatars to Pepe and calling themselves "Alt Right"
So a bunch of /pol/ twitter trolls shitposting, wow holy shit what a real political movement with coherent beliefs and totally not just a bunch of fags fucking around on the internet, energized by the hilarious amount of coverage they get
>>86800
There's been high level studies documenting the total civic breakdown that results from "diverse" communities and societies
>>86801
Whoa holy shit hundreds???????? Fuck man, I guess this shit is for real
What's the difference between at-right and libertarianism?
>>86815
>opposing multi-racialism is un-American
Since fucking when? The huge fight over the 1965 immigration act was allowed to pass literally only because of the explicit promise that America's demographics, aka it's fucking racial makeup, would not be changed, because huge news flash here: the people that make up the country ARE the country, and Americans were never keen on smashing up their society for literally no reason.
It's going to kill this country eventually since there's so so so so so many advantages to sewing racial conflict on top of the knife in the heart that comes from civic disengagement from multi-racial dumping grounds, so I guess cling to that small shred of ridiculously delusional hope that it won't before it comes crushing down in the next 2ish generations, and eventually seals the deal on the death of the Unites States as you know it.
What does the alt-right feel about the war on drugs?
>>86858
Good way to put blacks in jail
>>86857
>>86857
>The huge fight over the 1965 immigration act was allowed to pass literally only because of the explicit promise that America's demographics, aka it's fucking racial makeup, would not be changed, because huge news flash here: the people that make up the country ARE the country, and Americans were never keen on smashing up their society for literally no reason.
We had a fight about whether to secede from the British Empire. We had fights about healthcare reform. We had fights over immigration of Catholic Europeans. We had fights over slavery and southern secession. We fought about entry into WW1. We fights about everything all the time. Is everything that requires a fight by default an unworthy cause?
>It's going to kill this country
The only way our country won't work is if you disallow it from working. If you consciously make a decision to restrict participation in civic society on grounds of race then we will have a divided society. The country will fracture if we choose to fracture it. There is otherwise no momentum in that direction other than by conscious decision. Otherwise, what would be the point of an alt-right? If it's going to fail, let it fail, and you will have an end to your multi-racial society.
> there's so so so so so many advantages to sewing racial conflict
There are opportunity costs to every decision. A multi-racial society provides the benefit of leveraging ideas and talent from any background; that's why America remains the world leading economy and at the precipice of science and technology R&D. In STEM graduate school, most students are foreign.
Moreover, do you imagine people don't fight over every division? In India, people of different castes fight. In the middle east, different sects. People fight over language, religion, cultural quirks, economic class. As long as there is any category by which to draw division, people will do so. The only important detail is whether we have positive momentum.
>>86856
alt-right is a rebranding of WN / WS.
I think the hope is to keep the core ideology but change the delivery to be more palatable to a broader audience.
They appear to be socially statist (favoring policies friendly to conservative values + WN) and tend toward economic liberitarianism.
>>86870
What does wn/ws stand for?
>>86874
white-nationalist / white-supremacist
That is, at its core.
I think it may have collected some folks whose political beliefs end at conservatism.
>>86588
That's the definition of racism, but racism is not bad.
>>86588
>Since when does caring about your country first make you racist? I don't hate any race. I just want a more nationalistic approach to governance. Why does the media interpret this as racism?
>Ohh, right. Because the liberal agenda needs to be pushed. And boy, are they pushing hard now.
Liberalism isn't monolithic. For example I'm liberal and I agree with enforcing selective and restrictive immigration, but I also agree that profit incentive needs to be removed or reduced from prison, healthcare, and education, and that we shouldn't legislate morality, and that EPA driven by independent scientific consensus is essential.
The thing about economic nationalism is that it's great for winning votes, because the electorate is short-sighted, for the most part. People don't take a macroeconomic view in the voting booth. They want guarantee of gainful employment and job security. They don't care about desertification consuming the world over a span of the next few centuries. They want lower taxes now.
Globalism has become an ugly word but I think it is important to have mostly free-trade.
We need protectionism in industries essential to our national security; protecting the supply-line of our military and to maintain food security.
We need tangible mechanisms to combat protectionism from our trading partners (e.g. govt. subsidized dumping of steel from China).
Otherwise, here's the thing; for every dollar we invest in a more developed economy, we reap less profit than for every dollar spent in an underdeveloped economy. Uplifting the working class in China and India comes at a temporary cost to the working class in the US, but at the end of the day, everyone is better off for it; including the US. We have larger markets to buy and sell from. When it comes to long-term economic interest, there is no purpose in drawing an arbitrary line between who is allowed to trade with whom.
>>86877
well, that, and racial bigotry
Most of the "alt right" are fucking preteen redditors and redneck beta shut-ins with a keen interest in muh guns.
This is another case of neoliberals simplifying conflicts into fables of good versus evil.
>>86924
>Milo and weev are neoliberals
How can you /pol/faggots type this shit with a straight face?
>>86929
I didn't imply that. I was implying that people like Hillary and her cronies are targeting the supposed alt-right by surrounding them with a hyperbolic image of bigotry and racism. I don't visit /pol/ either because they blindly support a neoliberal as much as the modern democrat does.
>>86803
Where did I even mention my own race?
>Immediate racism accusation
This is why the democratic party is a joke.
>>86941
>I was implying that people like Hillary and her cronies are targeting the supposed alt-right by surrounding them with a hyperbolic image of bigotry and racism.
see >>>86931
The white nationalists do it to themselves by calling themselves "alt right" . Hillary is irrelevant now. You're going to have to stop treating her like a boogeyman.
>I don't visit /pol/
That's funny because you talk just like them.
>either because they blindly support a neoliberal as much as the modern democrat does.
In order to be a neoliberal you have to believe in the free market. Good luck casting Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as "neoliberal" when they're anything but.
>>86947
White nationalists aren't new. You'd also be deluded if you don't think people are funding these Trump orientated white nationalist "reports". The idea of this being a topic is just fallacious because they assume Trump is guilty by association. FYI, I don't like Trump. Along with being a neoliberal, he's a incompetent in terms of politics and technology.
Obviously neoliberals advocate free market. That means deregulation for most corporate and financial sectors. I never implied Bernie and Elizabeth Warren were neoliberals. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
>>86947
White nationalists are a non existent minority of a few thousand tin foilers, padded with FBI keeping a close eye. Tons of different groups have labeled themselves as alt right that arent white nationalist or racist. Even with all these grouos combines the alt right is tiny, less than a million strong. If you seriously believe the alt right is mainstream now or that the alt right is why Trump won youre delusional.
Its hard when nonsensical labels get applied to everything to the point that you can't even have conversations
can some one explain "identity politics for white people"?
fuck is that?
>>87047
You sound defensive, Anon. Have you been labeled Alt-right yourself?
>>86588
>Since when does caring about your country first make you racist?
it doesn't necessarily but if you stop and think who would vote in leftist groups and what is causing social degeneracy in America, you come to realize politics is all about demographics, demographics, demographics
>>86815
>Did you ever consider multi-racial societies were inherently divisive, tribalist, and prone to internal strife?
>Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But whether you like it or not
You can't even come up with a decent argument, in fact is seems that even you concede that they are in fact inherently flawed. See Tibet, or the Tamils, or Papuans.
>There really isn't an alternative way to maintain an adequate workforce, unless we develop robots like Japan is doing, or go back to being subsistence farmers.
This is a fallacious statement on the basis that the market doesn't adapt to the population or that a massive population of uneducated, non-skilled immigrants (legal or illegal) is positive for the nation. As automation becomes increasingly prevalent and used we will need a SMALLER population, and last thing we need as the job market shrinks is a more divided nation.
>Because most of those who criticize "mainstream media" put fringe media on a pedestal and tout it as unbiased truth.
So we should cease criticism and usage of "fringe" (which is a term you are using to deride and gaslight) media in favor of corporate, profit driven media? Why? Because they're politics are inconvenient for you? Or maybe your morality is consistent only with your politics.
>>87300
>As automation becomes increasingly prevalent and used we will need a SMALLER population, and last thing we need as the job market shrinks is a more divided nation.
I agree. Basic income will never work at current population numbers.
>>87304
>Basic income
>"Unearned money"
Truly a pathetic nation we are.