150 agents deployed to Texas border

LOL, wetbacks tryna sneak in before the wall comes up

>>85343
> Thinks Donald "flip flopper" Trump is actually going to go through with the wall when he's already backpedaling on Obamacare and Muslims before he's even president.

Keep dreaming, red-tard.

>>85365
All you have now is hope you have nothing else. It is satisfying to watch soon you will lose that too.

>>85370
I'll be interested to see what Trump sticks with, quite honestly. If he can meet half of his promises he'll have come through pretty well for himself and his party/voters. I don't think it's far fetched to say he'll have to drop ideas like mass deportation (to the farthest extent that he has described) and our border wall with Mexico. If nothing else, those plans may be the first to be tossed aside.

Still, you're right, we won't know until we know it's true..

>>85370

lol, texan here, we will not allow a wall to go up, it will be beyond expensive and texas will have to fucking deal with it, which we do not want at all.

there might be more money spent on boarder security, that'll be the compromise. a wall is dumb, plain and simple.

>>85453
I agree land mines will be more effective.

>>85454
Nope. Remote sensors and flying drones. The issue with modern landmines is by design they go inert after a number of years.

>>85458
Hmm, what if we made land mines that patrol the border and blow up if unauthorized people get too close citizens and guests and tourists in our country could be given special sensors to cause the walking land mines to ignore you.

>>85463
You would need some serious technology to do that. Fitting drones with missiles are already expensive

>>85463
Stop watching movies you stupid underage

>>85478
28 actually.

>>85478
Come now, its not a crime to dream a little bigger

>>85453
>we will not allow a wall to go up

Federal government will do it regardless.

>>85329
Now this is great news! with the new Wall\Fence our TRUMP will build, a bit of electricity add to it would be a nice touch.

>>85453
Actual Texan here, kindly get fucked.

Trump says we're building a wall and Abbott will ask him how high, and then add twenty feet to it.

they are still coming into america? i thought trump would sacre them off by now..

>Trump reveals that he has been funding a clandestine RnD project

>wall is the first working force field

>>85714
any proof backing that up? this is a Republican government, remember. such a wall would cost billions, and blow a hole through the budget. Trump is already walking back his moronic rhetoric.

>>85740
why has no one thought to build a wall, already? there already are walls and fences, in part of the border. they don't do shit, but why has more money not been put into them?

>>85748
You can't build a wall or fence in the middle of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Grande

>>85458
>Remote sensors and flying drones.

Indeed, drones have become so cheep they can be bought off Amazon.

The people who think a wall would stop illegal immigration are not from Texas. Our border with mexico is longer than the border between france and germany. It's about half as long as the east coast. There is no way to maintain and secure such a border. Building a wall is a waste of fucking tax payer dollars.

We don't need midwestern shitters making Texas pay for a useless wall. We also especially won't stand by an idiot president taking away NAFTA. Something that has made Texas extraordinarily wealthy.

Texas is getting fucked over by the idiots in the corn belt.

>>85791
Don't you know anon? Here in the good old US of A, we only stand by basic principles like state rights when it's convenient for us! Now bite the pillow and get ready for daddy Trump to fuck your economy like a good conservative politician.

>>85793
And meanwhile we Texans have to front the bill for all the corn subsidies to sustain the idiots that still cling to their shitty fly-over state.

>>85365
Even if an actual physical wall doesn't go up, and it most likely will in some capacity since the funding has been there for some time, you'd have to be delusional to think that border security won't dramatically increase while simultaneously thoroughly buttfucking illegal immigration.

>>85746
>such a wall would cost billions, and blow a hole through the budget.
In 2015 the federal budget was 3.8 trillion dollars.

>>85750
You can fill it with alligators and fresh water sharks

>>85791
>There is no way to maintain and secure such a border
We have the most powerful military the world has ever known. I'm pretty sure we could manage it extremely easily.

>>85802
You're an idiot. It's like saying "we can catch all these terrorists in the mountains, because we have the greatest military in the world".

The area people are asking to secure is on a similar scale to the mountains in Iraq. It's not possible without great cost to Americans. Costs that much outweigh the cost of illegal immigration. It's more realistic to just continuously deport than attempt to clog a sieve with a coffee filter.

>>85803
Who will pick the grapes and tomatoes then?

>>85838
robots

>>85841
Soon. Working on it. The timeline for automation has speed up now that we have Trump heading to the Whitehouse. He can bring back the manufacturing, he won't be bringing back those jobs.

>>85843
That is why he is proposing infrastructure spending which will encourage spending and travel due to better roads and create construction jobs and service jobs. also factories will start hiring again due to lower corporate tax and increase demand in raw materials and if he places tariffs on foreign countries companies will think twice about going over seas. Robots will not effect his administration to as large an extant as you are implying long term though it will be a problem.

>>85846
>That is why he is proposing infrastructure spending which will encourage spending and travel due to better roads and create construction jobs and service jobs.

Jesus, you sound like a circa-2009-era Obama voter.

>>85748
I know everyone likes to talk about a wall, and it does conjure a great image of an impassable barrier that would serve to keep out illegals, but in practice, simply increasing available agents and technology would combat illegals far better than a 20 foot high brick wall could provide.

>>85846
>and if he places tariffs on foreign countries companies will think twice about going over seas

But this is exactly why the timeline for automation has sped up, no private entity wants to pay more for workers or pay their pensions and health care/insurance.Being subject to crippling tariffs will cause them to return yes, but the human laborer is a walking target now.

>>85803
Hi anon, I understand you're astonishingly stupid so I'll explain this in very simple terms.

1) The area we'd we patrolling is on American soil and is very well known and well mapped, and since we're just safeguarding it we don't need to deal with entrenched and/or aggressive enemies because their goal is to gain entry and not rot in a cave for several years.

2) This is all taking place near established military bases on our own land so we won't need to transport and house troops on the other side of the globe.

3) We already pay for the military to operate in some capacity on American and foreign soil, so to patrol the border would just be a reallocation of resources

4) Illegal immigration costs a fucking ton of money that could easily be saved by just moving troops from A to B and have them perform the duties they already do, only over there instead of over here.

5) It is literally the singular job of the government to protect the homeland, and thus the border, so to do this all would be fulfilling their most basic of duties to the people they govern

>>85862
A post-labor society will cripple every nation on Earth beyond repair anyway, so you might as well get a few good years in before the hammer drops.

>>85890
You aren't wrong.

>>85484
But it will be soon

>>85750
SWEET a premade moat

>>85799
>the funding has been there for some time
kek

>>85886
You're an idiot. Come down to Texas and see the shithole that is the border for youserlf. There are no roads there. There are towns hundreds of miles apart. There are no bases.


You're delusional and uneducated. Texans know better than to throw away our hard earned dollars to appease some corn fuckers.

>>86056
No no anon, of course they're right. They don't actually LIVE in Texas or anything...

But they know enough about to know they're right.

>>86056
>>86101
I'm glad texans seem to be so against the cornfucker alliance. Seems like the worst policies come out of middle america and the rest of us just have to roll with it.

>>86056
texas is a shithole full of fat ugly white trash niggers

>>85886
Different anon. With all 5 of these points, and me having played MGS PW recently, I'm wondering if we can kill two birds by deploying the first public female combat troops along the border here.

The deployment zones are domestic, the scope is mainly recon, surveillance, and patrol, and most open combat if any will be defensive with the full logistical support of the US at-home forces.

There is no better overt opportunity for both combat experience for female troops and combat record for the US military on the whole than to deploy right here at home on easily the most pressing issue for the US. What objections politically, socially, or militarily will there be for having females literally defend our country at our doorstep?

Or we could just legalize the ganja.

>>85748
Bill Clinton actually built a 300 mile fence in 93 and Hilary voted for the 'secure fence act' in 06
but they're democrats so it's okay and it wasn't racist then, right?

>>86973
The fence is 700 miles long and has giant gaping holes in it because Congress shut off all funding after the first debt ceiling/sequester debacle.

>>86973

I don't think anyone rational (aka outside of over the top rhetoric) has argued that the fence/wall is racist, just that it's a huge waste of time and money. The cost has the wall moves out into the rural areas increases big time, and without proper, in depth monitoring the smugglers moving workers and drugs will just prop up ladders or dig tunnels.

In fact building a wall might be detrimental to border security that far out because it will literally drive them underground. Leaving the rural border open but sending out drone patrols would probably be more effective, because they would stay on the surface where they would be easy to spot.

>>86976
No, they clearly said he was racist for saying "wallwallwall".

>>86976
also, they're already tunneling underground, sometimes for miles from house to house

>>86977
Who's "they"?

>>85799
Before running for president he wanted to add predator drones and make the border a triple fence with razorwire.

>>87004
human smugglers

>>85458
how are remote sensors cheaper than a wall

>>87039
The predator drones are overkill, each hellfire missile it fires costs $70k

>>87043
In this case it's not cost but avoidance of collateral damage

>>87004
Who do you think wise ass?

>>87077
Whoever you don't like?

>>85453
>lol, Austin-ite here, we will not allow a wall to go up, even if we don't have a choice because reeeeeeeeeee

>>85861
removing the incentive to come here is the only real deterrent. If the kids they pop out here weren't automatically citizens then illegal immigration would drop by 80%. Put a heavy tax on all money transfers to Mexico, Guatemala, ect and there goes the other 20%. It's really the only way
>INB4 some autist says that anchor babies can't get their parents papers until they're 18, not realizing that illegals steal the SSN's of their kids who were born here and also know judges won't deport someone with citizen children

>>85370
sort of like Obama's supporters after he bailed out wall street, eh?

>built thousands of miles of railroad across entire country several times
>built thousands of miles of highway across entire country several times
>liberal retards state can't build one wall across half of country one time

Makes sense.

>>87199

>railroads make money, private and public interests like having them around, still have trouble with maintenance and acquiring funding for new projects
>highways make money, private and public interests like having them around, still have trouble with maintenance and acquiring funding for new projects
>border walls don't make money (and don't even stop the 50% of illegals who simply overstay their legal visa), private interests have no incentive to build them without public funding
>simply hiring more agents is more effective use of money
>re-purposing retired military drones for civilian observation is more effective

You can build the wall, but you're wasting time and money better spent on other, more effective projects.

>>85365
I think its funny how people criticize Trump for turning around on the policies he got the most flak for. It's such a defeatist attitude, in my opinion. Why are (the hypothetical you) you bitching when he's not doing what you don't want him to do?

>>87283

Because we have literally nothing but his word to go on when it comes to figuring out what his policies are going to be. With most president-elects, we have previous governmental experience to look at and hard legislation they helped pass, and when their words contradict that we question them if they've changed or if they're just saying garbage to get elected. With Trump, there is no record, so anything he says has to be taken as his position (which he has changed multiple times over the years, so it further brings into question the strength of his beliefs). The softening of his harsh rhetoric it not necessarily a bad thing, but the fact he felt it necessary to needlessly worry allies and embolden enemies just to win an election is troubling. He wouldn't be in this "least liked president elect in history" position if he had never gone down that road in the first place.

>>87176

> If the kids they pop out here weren't automatically citizens then illegal immigration would drop by 80%.

You'll have to go against precedent in the Supreme Court for that. They'd need to overturn US vs Wang Kim Ark, I think. Not impossible, but precedent makes it more difficult.

Also, you could also start prosecuting the small and medium business owners who keep hiring illegal labor. Once enough people see Uncle Jimbo in county jail for 8 months, the supply of illegal immigrants will drop to match the falling supply, just as in 2008.

>>87212

>You can build the wall, but you're wasting time and money better spent on other, more effective projects.

cause illegal immigrants don't cost heaps of money, right?

>>87440

And there are more effective ways of dealing with immigration than a wall that doesn't even cover visa overstay illegal immigrants or immigrants smuggled via tunnel.

With the money you spend on the stupid ass wall you could hire thousands of more ICE agents who could be used not just at the US-Mexico border but throughout the entire nation. Literally every penny you save from not building that wall could be better used to fight the illegals you are concerned about instead of building a symbolic piece of concrete.

>>85371
>>85791
>>85453
>>85750
>>85791

>Can't happen

>Border is longer than the border between France and Germany

It worked for the Chinese It. Will. Work. For Us.
With wall technology a thousand years old, they built a wall that defended them from a literal army that ass raped Europe.

>>87932

I don't think you understand. Yes you can build the wall with modern tech, it's just a waste of time when you can just hire more agents and build a handful of drones to do the exact same job without being restricted to the border for the same cost.

Also the Great Wall was never as effective as advertised. It's certainly an impressive feat of engineering built over several hundred years, but it didn't stop the Mongols or Manchus from conquering China. This is not to say it didn't halt minor raids, but any real force had little trouble bypassing the wall.

>>87448
I doubt voters tried running the numbers or consulting experts.
They just sort of liked the idea of a wall, tariffs, simpler tax code, less regulation, larger military, lower deficit, &c..
This is how most people vote; both conservatives liberals included.
Yeah, it's retarded, but then again, almost all candidates go back on promises made on a campaign. You almost have to hope they're all liars, because after meeting with experts that study these topics all their lives, they logically come to a realization that the average voter has no clue regarding the probably unworkable opportunity costs of what they propose.

>>85748
It's kind of an insane project to begin with. Do you realize how long the border actually is? Thousands of miles, this would be like a modern great wall of china. It would cost an obscene amount of money. But hey Mexico is gonna pay for it.

>>85750
That's true. Plus the physical location of the river shifts periodically. There are small areas that have changed from being in one country to another when the river shifted.

There are ideas for a moving wall that adapts to changing earth, but that just adds to the expense.

>>85758
The idea of a "virtual border" using drones and other technology and/or more agents/funding could be effective and less costly.

>>85791
I'm also from Texas as well and this pretty much sums it up. Most people seem to realize it would negatively impact our economy but I'm sure there are people even here that would do it.

Of course even the biggest wall won't stop illegals, they'll just tunnel or climb over. Human beings are very imaginative when faced with the necessity to move. Even now they'll walk into the barren desert and sometimes die just to get across.

>>87932
>It worked for the Chinese It.
Mongols successfully conquered China in the 13th century. It clearly did not work.

>a literal army that ass raped Europe.
The mongols only got as far as Poland and Hungary, Western and Southern Europe were relatively unscathed.