U.S. Ship Targeted Again By Missiles From Yemen, Officials Say

Something doesn't add up. Weren't they being bombed hard enough already? Do they want more?

What if our allies are attacking us so the situation looks more serious than it really is and we send them more military aid?

>>78419

Given how much our middle eastern allies suck at fighting, it's possible the rebels still have a few operational anti-ship missiles that they just fire at targets of opportunity with what little time they have left before they have to abandon the launcher. Thankfully, they also suck at fighting and can't hit for shit or we could have yet another Gulf of Tonkin incident on our hands.

>>78410

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/pentagon-us-strikes-hit-radar-sites-in-yemen/index.html

Update on this story, US hits back to neutralize missile threat by removing targeting radar.

Highlights:

>Three US strikes hit radar sites in Yemen early Thursday, hours after missiles targeted a US warship in the Red Sea, the Pentagon said.
>The destroyer USS Nitze launched the Tomahawk cruise missiles targeting the coastal radar sites. Initial assessments indicate all three targets were destroyed, the official said.
>Houthi rebels denied that their forces targeted the US warship in both incidents.

Or ya know, we could just move our ships.

>>78473
stop making sense!
you start to sound like a crazy libertarian
didn't you hear the good news?

1) Our killing is better than theirs
2) Nothing we do can be "terrorism"
3) Only enemies are "war criminals"

It's our patriotic duty to meddle in someone else's business ...

>>78504
You actively undermine your country's financial interests with emotional squabble.
There is a reason there is a military presence in these countries and if we are not there, then someone else will be, except they'll be getting rich, while everyone else stagnates.

>>78473
What exactly would that accomplish?

>>78514
a thug robbing me considers my wallet his financial interest
his mother trying to stop him would definitely undermine his financial interest (for emotional reasons, I guess)

also, this would be a fair point if every us citizen would have more to win than to lose out of it
I guess for you, a few dollars less at the pump are worth the thousands of dead US soldiers, the millions of refugees (and dead collateral victims), the trillions added to government debt
unfortunately, very few (select) people have net gains out of this and by not thinking things through you just serve as a "useful idiot" to them (unless they pay you for that, in which case, I have to agree that I would do the same as you do)

>>78524
>less dead US soldiers
>less $ spent of the military
>less civilians killed "by mistake" whose families can become radicalized (because they hate us for our freedoms not because a US soldier killed their kid)
at the same time
>less political influence in the area
>less guns sold to the saudis
>less propping up US economy with oil money
>less donations to the Clinton foundation
>less reason for politicians to be on tv and pretend they are heroes

depends on what's important for you ...

Sounds familiar

http://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago

>>78527
Did you mean pull the ships out of Yemen? I thought you meant move them somewhere else in Yemeni water.

>>78528
> Although most historians, including those employed by the U.S. military, have since concluded that the second of those attacks never actually occurred, it served as the pretext for an immediate ramp-up of the Vietnam War.

Well i didn't want to read that

>>78530
His a Trump inspired non-interventionist.
He doesn't understand why we have a millitary and why we have to protect geopolitical allies.

He's adopted liberal positions yet calls himself a conservative.

>>78531
The same thing happened with the Maine in Havana and was attempted with the USS Liberty. Pearl Harbor was known about beforehand and the intelligence community had warned 9/11 might happen.

>>78540

>Pearl Harbor was known about beforehand

Please stop spreading this misinformation. An attack by the Japanese was expected, but not at Pearl Harbor. Relations between the United States and Japan had deteriorated because of the US embargo, and both sides knew that either the Japanese would attack to break the embargo or the Japanese would be forced to back down their imperial ambitions.

Now the most likely target of such an attack would be at the Philippines, a strategic US holding that blocked Japanese trade down south to the important resource of rubber. The US, being fully aware of this, moved much of their new hardware to the Philippines.

"But the carriers weren't there," you might argue, " and that training exercise was too convenient and carriers ended up being way more valuable than battleships!" See this logic is driven entirely by 20/20 hindsight, using what we know today to derive incorrectly what planners back in the day were thinking. Carriers as of December 1941 were still unproved in their power. Sure they could be used as scouting platforms or air-to-land strikes, but their potential against the mighty battleship remained untested. Even the Japanese who proved the power of the carrier vs the battleship still wanted to have a decisive battleship fight (which never happened) to decide the war. In addition, the US fleet at Pearl was arranged in a formation to stop SABOTAGE, because believed that any unlikely attack on Pearl would have been a subterfuge sabotage instead of a out-and-out shooting war. If the US knew of an air attack, they would have arranged their ships very differently. Also at Pearl was the strategic naval fuel reserves, which if those were hit (in the aborted third attack wave) would have crippled whatever remained of the US Pacific fleet.

The idea that the US knew and did nothing is total hogwash.

>>78473

Where?

We're in international waters there. More than 12 miles out. You can bet your ass the international community would flip their collective shit if we started plonking missiles out to sea towards anyone WE could hit in international waters. This was Grade A, super-sized stupidity on the part of the Houthis unless it's just for pulling data on our anti-missile defense capabilities on the behalf of Iran or something. But given that those missiles aren't cheap, the shore radars are even more expensive, and someone WAS going to die at some point in Yemen whether the missiles hit anything or not, once they were launched at our ships... Yeah, I hope it was worth it?

There are countries out there that might get away with this kind of shit. Most of the ones on east coast of Africa are not those countries. Stupid, boneheaded move. Those pieces of shit messed with the bulls, they get the horns.

What kind of retard shoots a missile at a ship designed to shoot down missiles?

>>78597
thought experiment:
Russian ship anchored in the international waters outside New York
Any argument you have against it or for some action towards it, apply it to the Yemen situation and vice versa.
Go!
Also, try to avoid the three points here:
>>78504

>>78615
Ask them to come ashore and invite them to dinner then go watch some broadway shows with them.

>>78473
Remember that time a US fleet thought a Lighthouse Island off the coast of spain was a ship and asked them to move? The audio of that conversation was hilarious

>>78635
Post a link please I have not read this seems amusing.

>>78550
Yesh thats why all the important ships werent in the harbor and why the death toll was super low because nobody was on the ships in the harbor.
Really makes you think, eh bootlicker?

>>78597
>Thinks Yemen is in Africa
Holy shit dat murrican education lmfao
Stop talking, opinion discarded

>>78637

>Yesh thats why all the important ships werent in the harbor and why the death toll was super low because nobody was on the ships in the harbor.

Did you even read? Nobody knew carriers would be critical in 1941. The ships considered important in this period were the battleships, all of which were still docked at Pearl. Also still critical to both types of ship was the fuel reserves, which again was not hit thanks only to the caution of the Japanese commanders.

And to the casualty count: it was an early morning raid on DOCKED ships during PEACETIME. They don't keep the crew on the ships when they don't have to, as upkeep is easier off-ship (why transport supplies on ship when you can just transfer everyone to the shore barracks?). The casualties of Pearl Harbor match up with similar engagements with opponents docked, and these were during WARTIME:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir
The attack of the British Fleet to destroy the remainder of the surrendered French fleet, one battleship lost and multiple other ships damaged and nearly 1,300 dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taranto
The first test of naval aviation with one battleship lost and multiple other ships damaged yet only 59 dead.

Pearl Harbor was twice as devastating as these two other attacks and resulted in twice the casualties of the French engagement and many times the casualties of the Italian one. If the US was trying to minimize casualties using their advanced knowledge, surely they would do a shitload better than FUCKING FASCIST ITALY, THE BIGGEST JOKE OF WWII.

>>78636

It's a joke, the players change with the times (modern version is US Carrier group vs Canadian lighthouse, older versions are UK Battleships vs Irish lighthouse) but the format is always the same, where the powerful warship slowly escalates demands until the other party reveals it is a lighthouse.

>>78638

I give him credit for getting it close enough, Yemen is adjacent to same sea zone.

>>78410
>U.S. Ship Targeted

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You guys really must give those rebels credit. They have gotten extremely close to those ships, before they can pop ECMs, meaning that they are either A-Missile prodigies, B-Not actually the Houthis and instead someone smart, or C-Incredibly, nigh-astronomically lucky.

>>78470
How convenient for our Sunni friends

>>78793
>They have gotten extremely close to those ships, before they can pop ECMs
Incorrect, Nulka active ECM decoys and onboard ECM were used

>>78597
>This was Grade A, super-sized stupidity on the part of the Houthis
What if they're just shooting at any naval vessels out there, since they've been engaging UAE and Saudi ships off their shore for the entire conflict? They don't have a navy of their own, they've seen the enemy Frigates &c involved in the fight. Maybe they just didn't consider the situation of US ships being there, since our support for the war is limited and not very public.

Speaking of which, why the fuck do we have "totally not an LPD anymore, civilian ship pls don't shoot" Ponce and destroyers supporting the Sunnis anyway?

>>78473
No. If they even dare to fire missiles on US ships, declare war and bomb the shit out them. Let them know we don't fuck around. America has a right to be wherever she wants.

>>78550
>Also at Pearl was the strategic naval fuel reserves, which if those were hit (in the aborted third attack wave) would have crippled whatever remained of the US Pacific fleet.
That's rather interesting. I wonder what the outcome would have been had those been hit first.

>>79075

>That's rather interesting. I wonder what the outcome would have been had those been hit first.

Nimitz estimated the war would have dragged on for another two years. The US would either have to delay operations and wait for fuel to arrive from the mainland, or be very selective in what battles to engage in. Japan's extra freedom would have allowed them to seize and secure more ground, and maybe further harass and damage the Pacific fleet. However, the conclusion of the war would have been the same since the disparity in population and industrial capacity simply could not be matched. This is something well known to Japanese planners, and their entire plan hinged on the US losing morale and backing out early. Because of these reasons, the Japanese commanders decided sufficient damage was done, and that the risk for a third wave was too high: casualties increased on wave 2 as defenders organized, and with Japan's slow pilot training program it would be hard to replace any additional loses (a problem for both major Axis nations throughout the war).

Oh and I forgot other key targets they failed to hit: munitions storage, dry docks and repair yards. These targets not being hit allowed them to repair ships and even re-float some of the ones that sank. Of all the battleships attacked, only Arizona was destroyed outright in the battle, and only the Oklahoma could not be recovered after the battle. All the other battleships went on to fight in the war, but were obviously heavily delayed due to the extensive repairs required. This basically forced the United States to use carriers as the core of the fleet, and their success in these early campaigns would dramatically increase the production of carriers over battleships (literally hundreds of carriers, the literally world record for simultaneous active carriers) and place carriers as the kings of the postwar navy.

well, well, well ... what do you know?
turns out, when the dust has settled (and no one pays attention anymore), that it wasn't quite so:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-usa-idUSKBN12H284

Maybe the false flag wasn't needed after all ...

>>78473
That's not how you play Battleship, anon.

>>78813
wrong.