Dolphins recorded having a conversation 'just like two people'

No because they're lower on the food chain

>>71864
It's happening

>>71864
So could be potentially learn dolphin-speak?

>>71878
From the article.

>Dr Ryabov said it was now beyond doubt that dolphins speak their own language and it is time to start studying how to communicate directly with them.

>“Humans must take the first step to establish relationships with the first intelligent inhabitants of the planet Earth by creating devices capable of overcoming the barriers that stand in the way of using languages and in the way of communications between dolphins and people,” he added.

>>71879

>Implying I want dolphins to communicate with humans

Then we'll have to give them rights and compensation for their genocide. Don't we have enough victim HUMAN cultures?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

It's kinda depressing to consider how no one has been able to even remotely decode this language yet, if it's not even possible for two species from the same planet to communicate with each other then how can we ever hope to be able to communicate with actual extraterrestrial sentient spacefaring civilizations

Someone should get down and teach those dolphins some maths or something

>>71884
calm down. they just found out. im sure we can talk do dolphins soon, snowflake

Yeah, when will people realize that its never annimals imitating humans, but the other way around. Every thing we do and ever did is copied from a natural process ideology. Its we are who are catching up with nature and other life forms , learning their ways from microscopic and macroscopic nature which reflect each other so deeply.

>>71881
#dolphinlivesmatter

mammals are inherently superior

>>71864
>we learn how to communicate with dolphins
>they tell us to give them our women

>>71918
they demand we stop watching all that dolphin porn

dolphins gonna go the way of all the non-human intelligent hominids.

>>71864
how long until we teach our aquatic friends the art of bantz and shitposting?

>>71912
...at thinking they aren't the objective worst species

>>71866
You do realize that humans are lower on the food chain than parasites right? Stay educated goy.

>>71936
Mate, they have dedicated rape caves. We don't need to teach them bantz, we could trade bantz and shitposts with them and unify our cultures.

>>71944
You do realize that makes dolphins lower than parasites as well as humanity and by trying to make us look weak and feeble you only made dolphins look like a retarded cripple who toppled out of their wheelchair.

Do dolphins pass the Harkness test now?

>>71889
they are probably very dickish

with things like >>71946, i just picture them catcalling the reserachers

>>71937
Sorry senpai, the two smartest species on the planet are mammals.

>>71864
>no no no no you've got it all wrong ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG6b3V2MNxQ

So could be please now make a formal petition to have their first question to be about their rape cave? Thanks!

>>71884
Why would communicating with a dolphin be that different from an alien? If anything the knowledge of dolphin speak study would aid us. Language seems to follow many patterns

>>71864
You know, if dolphins can speak and they're intelligent, that means they can consent. This is an important point that I feel has gone overlooked.

>>71866
You're an idiot.

>>71993
what about crows and octopuses?

>202X

>dolphin and researcher are conversing

>dolphin asks researcher for sex

What now?

>>72083
hey did you guys know that the correct pluralization of octopus is "octopodes"?
>inb4 octopi

>>71884
aliens would most likely have other means of communicating that they could use to provide initial points of commonality and clarify early misunderstandings
for example if they're able to write and draw (and why wouldn't they be able to), they could draw a ship and write their word for "ship" under it, and point from one to the other and back again if need be
when all you have is one form of communication and no known points of commonality, shit's real fuckin' hard, see also Linear B and Linear C

>>72095
I did, actually.

So David Brin Uplift series is actualy prediction of a fututre

>>72099
>>72099
>they could draw a ship

See, this is where it gets hard already;

There's not even a guarantee they'll be able to have eyes or hands like we do let alone see or hear in the same spectrum we do, and the concept of "drawing something" in itself is only conceivable within the relatively small/narrow human frame of reference which may either be utterly incomprehensible or incredibly primitive depending on the ET lifeform we're talking about

There's some crazy shit out there we don't know about yet, heck we don't even know how our own reality works at the most basic level (quantum shit) so how the fuck should we be able to crack the basics of universal communication without a superior lifeform aiding us in doing so

We're basically retarded apes who happened to invent a couple really neat things thanks to our inherent natural pattern recognition skills but that's it

I'm really not trying to be pessimistic, always considered myself a huge SETI enthusiast, but humanity as a whole has been walking down the wrong path for quite some time now in my opinion. We might not be ready for ET contact yet

>>72088
Get a furry to do it.

>>72109
I'd reckon that any advanced life form would have so way to sense electromagnetic radiation. So a mass of matter would give off radiation allowing us to use our narrow sight and them to use their UV or IR sight. We won't see the same colors, but doesn't matter.

How I reason this, any thing the size of a bug or bigger can sense radiation. Hell, plants can do it too!

Now for tools. They'd need the ability to manipulate objects. No matter how bizarre, a space ship didn't put itself together. Circumventing sight, drawing with objects, or drawings in the dirt would be universal.

I do have to say ET contact, at our point in time, would be disastrous for humanity. To many small minds control too much.

>>72088
I'd be very happy that I majored biology instead of something else.

>>72109
you're going overboard here, and it's an example
>There's some crazy shit out there we don't know about yet, heck we don't even know how our own reality works at the most basic level (quantum shit) so how the fuck should we be able to crack the basics of universal communication without a superior lifeform aiding us in doing so
I'm not talking about universal communication, just learning a language, and they would have to help us, or we'd have to help them, you need a point of commonality to start off with and someone has to make an effort to produce one for it to exist (see also the Rosetta stone, someone a long time ago put in the effort to produce points of commonality between Greek, Egyptian demotic writing, and Egyptian hieroglyphics)

have fun on the dolphin reservation, we're not gonna honor those bogus treaties anyway!

>dolphins are more coherant and intelligent than niggers

>>72095
Greek, motherfucker.

>>72229
no surprise there, gorillas are too.

science has gone too far

I talk to my cat all the time, next...

>>72261
No it hasn't.
It'll be too far once we make sex toys and drugs for the dolphins.

>>71944
You don't know how the food chain works. Parasites don't consume humans you fucking moron. On top of that, dolphins get parasites more regularly because they're just big retarded fish. If they are capable of complex communication, why is it that they act exactly like all other wild animals? Because, for a sea animal, they're pretty smart. But as a living organism, theyre dumb fucking animals.

>>72109
Good news for you then, microbial lifeforms are all aliens, we are aliens. Evolution was purely started by mistake in a condition so rare that if it does happen in another system, we will never, ever, ever, ever find out. We cannot store the energy required to get there, we cannot withstand the temporal and other various forces of space, and everything you believe is a fucking lie.

Listen to Radio Labs podcast about evolution.

>>72471
No, as a living organism, they're geniuses, but just seem dumb to us because we're amazingly smart, ultra super geniuses.
But they're in, like, the top ten. Which is really good, even if you don't count plants, bacteria, viruses, Etc., and only count animals.
Even if you only count vertebrates, they're super smart.

>>72476
Cool. They use tools in a more basic manner than primate. Their 'conversation' is mere noise that dolphin enthusiasts want to believe can be called a language, when in reality, they are similar to primates, they have different sounds they make when they're feeling different emotions. Don't get me wrong, they're smart, but what's the point? They're no where near sentient, they live as do other animals, driven by fear and occasional joy. I think the issue is what you and I are defining as 'smart.' Dolphins are animals; Humans are humans. I'm basing 'smart' off of our general ability to use advanced tools, rationalize, adhere to basic rules, and advance in scientific fields.

I know this is a lot to ask of animals, but I feel that primates are closest to this.

>>71918
would watch for scientific purposes of course

>>71881
Ahh I can already imagine the big dolphin refugee crisis of 2030.

Yeah and dogs and cats can bark/meow in several different ways which means they have a language too.

>>72656

Most mammals can at least communicate simple emotions. The article is saying dolphins actually speak to each others. That's quite different from barking or growling...

>you can finally talk to another animal
>"hey look ,it thing!!! want sex. Need eat"

might as well go to Africa.

>>71864
We have to wait for dolphin's art ant science.

>>71918
Id pay to watch that

>>72471
>they're just big retarded fish
big retarded mammals

>>72682
This is cheaper than booking a flight to Africa. Plus, you won't get mugged or killed for being there.
http://orteil.dashnet.org/nested

>>72705
>that shit
Plz no I don't want to play cookie clicker again

>>71918
>tfw cucked by an aquatic newcomer on the sentience block

>>72095
>>72233
No, because we're speaking English, not Greek.

Or should we adopt Greek declensions on all loan words in all cases?

>>72801
Well, we shouldn't use the Latin -pi, at least.

>>72500
Anon..... You are a primape. Humans are primates.

humans are animals too lol, why don't people get this

>>72109
>We're basically retarded apes who happened to invent a couple really neat things thanks to our inherent natural pattern recognition skills but that's it
Yeah, right, we're just retarded apes who happened to invent a couple neat things. And Mount Everest is basically just a hill.

faggot.

It's been debunked you gullible faggots.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/dolphins-conversation-explained-words-sentences-language-animals/

>>73280
So they need better proof.

>>72472

>Evolution was purely started by mistake
>implying we aren't an alien code that's programmed to shape this planet to be habitable for the eventual alien explorers that want to settle here as an outpost for their alien empire that spansseveral million lightyears

>>73280
>experts remain unconvinced
>debunked

>>72500
Until we decode their language we don't know what they're saying and therefore can't really judge anything about them except that they understand complex instructions and can communicate with one another.

They don't have hands, so tools are obviously unlikely, but for all we know they could have complex math and prose/poems beyond our understanding. I think it's safe to bet they don't, but I'm still interested in finding out.

>>71864
Soon we will have dolphin 4chan.

>>71946
The bottlenose dolphins are the dickish ones actually, particularly to spotted dolphins. They're basically the britbongs of the dolphin world.

>>72500
>Humans are humans. I'm basing 'smart' off of our general ability to use advanced tools, rationalize, adhere to basic rules, and advance in scientific fields.
early humans couldnt do any of this either.
takes a lot more then just intelligence to achieve all that.

Did they figure out what they might be saying ?

>>71864
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
>Is it time to declare dolphins as non-human persons and take international action to protect them and their environment from human exploitation?
>their environment
It's not like we've been shitting up the oceans for decades, right? Surely, we will be able to stop it by politely asking every country ? xDD

>>73535
Who said anything about being polite?

>>71879
Seaquest DSV, here we come.

>>73222
The concept of animal and human being separate is an amazingly old religious trope based on our having the divine essence of a soul, whereas an animal is just moving flesh that is no more when it returns to the dirt. It's amazing how modern society still holds this bit of dogma at a near subconscious level of assumption despite casting off most other trappings of faith

>>73515
>BLAZE IT 420 YOLO
>WHERE ALL THE WHITE WOMEN AT

>>71918
lmfao

>Dolphins are getting smarter.
>There's more water on earth than land.
Kill the dolphins before the spread like wildfire and kill us all.

>>71912
not sure if shitposting, but humans are mammals

>>73649
I got DSV and DSM mixed up for a moment and now I want to know what kinds of mental disorders dolphins can suffer from.

>>73692
no shit, i meant that all mammals (including humans) are superior to other types of life

>>71884
Take solace that any advanced civilization would have the understanding of some form of binary. And would likely realize we knew it too when they saw the repeating hieroglyphs

>>72472
>Evolution was purely started by mistake in a condition so rare that if it does happen in another system, we will never, ever, ever, ever find out.

You do realize that there a metric shitload of stars in our galaxy alone right? Even if the chance for life to form is infinitesimal, the sheer number of stars in the milky way almost guarantees there is life on another planet. Also, you're assuming life exists only as we know it does on earth. We can't know that life might evolve in a radically different way on another planet.

> We cannot store the energy required to get there, we cannot withstand the temporal and other various forces of space, and everything you believe is a fucking lie.

Not with our current level of technology. With how quickly our technology is advancing right now, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that we will be able build a ship capable of interstellar travel in the next couple of a hundred years. I mean jesus, in a hundred years we went from having no planes to landing on the moon.

>>71873
Wait, didn't the Simpson's predict this?

>>72008
There's a huge difference.
Establishing communication with aliens is actually far easier if those aliens think in any way we can easily imagine.

If you want to communicate with aliens, use patterns of communication that they will recognise, with a few ones that won't recognise but you make possible to learn.

Say that you recieved the following series of signals:
"beep juklar beep hamak beep beep"
"beep juklar beep beep hamak beep beep beep"
"beep beep juklar beep hamak beep beep beep"
"beep juklar beep beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"
"beep beep juklar beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"
"beep gronch beep hamak beep"
"beep gronch beep beep hamak beep beep"
"beep beep gronch beep hamak beep beep"
"beep gronch beep beep beep hamak beep beep beep"
"beep beep gronch beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"
Even though this is much shorter than it would be in practice, it's fairly clear what juklar, gronch, and hamak mean.

You can't do this with dolphins though because you can't expect them to know arithmetic.

Sorry, dolphins aren’t uniquely intelligent
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/.../sorry-dolphins.../story.html
Don't be so gullible!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/02/02/sorry-dolphins-aren-uniquely-intelligent/woQ8CE0S7XJKYjC6kDQh5J/story.html

>>73875
That is the most broken webpage I've ever seen.
>can only scroll with arrow keys
>continue reading button doesn't work

>>73860
>beep juklar beep hamak beep beep"
>"beep juklar beep beep hamak beep beep beep"
>"beep beep juklar beep hamak beep beep beep"
>"beep juklar beep beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"
>"beep beep juklar beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"
>"beep gronch beep hamak beep"
>"beep gronch beep beep hamak beep beep"
>"beep beep gronch beep hamak beep beep"
>"beep gronch beep beep beep hamak beep beep beep"
>"beep beep gronch beep beep hamak beep beep beep beep"

The fuck did you just call me, bish

>>71864
"bix nood"