Ukraine-Russia conflict returns

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/763405499769446405

couldn't be clearer

It never ended, it just turned into trench warfare and sporadic mortar attacks for a while.

And I thought the US had cheapened the term "terrorism."

>>66036

It's been that way for a while.

Hostile military action you don't approve of?

Terrorism

Just like everything you don't like on the internet is a meme.

>Meme game
>Meme gun
>Meme jacket
>Meme car

Retard time: what does Russia explicitly get our of this war? More control, like Putin's a fucking straight up warmongering dictator? Does Ukraine have really good natural resources or something?

>>66140

Might be resources, I don't really know.

All I do know is that it's intensely easy to justify this to Russians, because the southeast portion of Ukraine is something like 80% Russian themselves, a ethnic remnant of the Soviet days where the USSR would take Ukrainians out, put Russians in, and make them fugg to create more Russians. Especially in areas like Sevastopol and Donetsk.

>>66142
Wait, if Ukraine is 90% Russian's, wouldn't the proper Russian people be losing their shit over bombing basically their own people?

they did not, there is no need to

>>66143

>Wait, if Ukraine is 90% Russian's, wouldn't the proper Russian people be losing their shit over bombing basically their own people?

Because the areas in Ukraine that have ethnically Russian peoples in them have already been secured by the seps/russians. They aren't bombing Russians, they're bombing Ukrainians and the Ukrainians are bombing back.

>>66145
So Ukraine Ukraine is fucked, yeah? What was Russia's pretense to this shit anyway? Is anyone heavily on Ukraine's side or is most places staying out because of how remote this stuff is?

>cucks in that other thread saying Russia isn't the bad guy anymore

Weeeeeeew laaaaaad

>>66147
Ukraine has, sadly, always been fucked. The modern issues we see between the two countries are really just a continuation of a cycle that's lasted for practically all of Russia's existence.

It's in Russia's best interest to keep Ukraine under its belt. Not only does Ukraine have access to the Black Sea, but it's bountiful in resources. A subservient Ukraine also extends Russia's defensive buffer against Western Europe.

>>66017
Пидopaчyю этoт пocт.
Пyтин Хyйлo. Кaцaблядь нe чeлoвeк. Pocиeпapaш нe cтpaнa.

>>66184
i can't make sense of this, and neither can google translate

>... this post
>Putin .... Something no something. Rus-someting not country

>>66017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8wnEGNRD6Y
Putin drew the Attention of the United States that Ukraine turns to terror. Another statement: "From the Russian side, in the course of preventing a terrorist attack in Crimea, died two soldiers. We this do not forgive." Next Putin said about preparation of a terrorist attack of Ukrainian special services in the Crimea (and canceled the meeting in Norman Format G20 - makes no sense).

>>66184
Chohol... pls...

When I heard this I thought of the ploy the Nazi's used. Fake some incursion, respond by invading the country.
Not saying this happened but I would trust Putin or the FSB in the slightest.

>>66219
Wouldn't*

>>66140
>>66142

They stop the US from setting up more "missile defense systems" on another border like we do with other buffer countries. This whole thing started when the CIA got caught helping a pro-American win the election in ukraine.

>>66140
>>66172

The key things Russia wants out of the Ukraine is the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea. This is the only major port they hold that doesn't freeze during the winter and gives them access to the black sea. When the old pro-Russian Ukrainian president was deposed (remarkable in itself because by most accounts he was still in control of the situation, the protestors weren't at his door or anything), Russia feared that this would lead to the loss of their naval base. So, they seized the entirety of Crimea with unmarked soldiers (still in uniform with official gear but patches and ID removed) pretending to be "militia" (compare them to the protestors who were in jeans and tracksuits with maybe a rifle to supplement the molotov cocktails and stolen riot shields) under the guise of securing independence for the Crimean peoples. They then held an election with these guys guarding the election booths with no international observers allowed and the result of this election was that Crimea would join Russia "as it has always been the property of Russia" (never mind that this argument is garbage, by this logic France could retake Louisiana because they owned it in the past but sold it to America).

So now the Russians hold Crimea despite zero international recognition, but now they have a problem. Crimea isn't self-sustainable: all of its electrical power an fresh water come from mainland Ukraine. Crimea isn't connected to Russia by any land route so they can't bring in anything from there. Building new power plants and water processing facilities takes time, is expensive, and isn't guaranteed to generate sufficient quantities. So, here comes the big gamble: what if, by the same methods used to seize Crimea, the eastern half of the Ukraine could be annexed? This would give a land route to Crimea, and would cripple a newly hostile power even further. And thus the conflict in eastern Ukraine began.

>>66234

However, realizing their mistakes in Crimea (namely "rebels" in Russian uniforms with Russian weapons and FUCKING HELICOPTERS) they actually tried to outsource the "rebels" to make them, well, actual rebels. This worked well enough at first because the Ukrainian army was a total shitshow: they had ancient gear from the Soviet era, they had just undergone a political revolution, and their leadership was horribly corrupt and incompetent. However it soon became clear they had bitten off more than they could chew as the political revolution calmed down the Ukrainians became more dedicated an organized. Plus the recent embarrassment of Crimea had hardened the resolve of some more hardcore Ukrainians (both good and bad) and these volunteer units were shredding eastern rebels.

So now the Russians had to step in for real. At first it was just advisors, then it was weapon systems, but then it became units who were "lost," and then it became full on artillery barrages from across the border. It's under these conditions that the Malaysian flight was shot down, as the Russians had gotten reckless with the amount of equipment they were lending out without regard for user training or rules of engagement. Soon after that incident the war calmed down as Russia feared causing enough international incidents that its involvement would be undeniable. Now a ceasefire prevents anyone from making any big moves without causing another shitstorm, but of course there are plenty of "small" violations to try and push the line to victory.

And that's why Russia is in the Ukraine: because they wanted one single naval base, and now that shit just went out of control.

>>66234
>They then held an election with these guys guarding the election booths with no international observers allowed and the result of this election was that Crimea would join Russia

The referendum in Crimea complied with the international standards, fully responsible democratic procedures. This was stated by ITAR-TASS the head of mission of international observers Mateusz Piskorski (Poland).

>>66234
You didn't think that Kiev simply wants to regain the Crimea, for this reason he satisfied terrorist attacks?

>>66143
Russia not bombed Ukraine. Ukraine is a US puppet. Puppets of the USA bombed all who ordered. There are two options - not to react or to bomb the puppets.

>>66241

I just wanted to answer the question of what Russia wanted to gain from the Ukraine. I haven't actually read any of the articles in the OP.

>>66244
1) I support the return of Crimea in structure of Russia (gave it to Ukraine Khrushchev, Khrushchev was Ukrainian...). There are several reasons: the availability of good port for the black sea Fleet based (in Russia build their own, but it is long and expensive), tourist business (in Ukraine, it was very bad - I was there and saw it myself), no problems with the lease of territories for military bases. In the Crimea there are the factories and many monuments of culture from the Russian tsars (Castles and palaces are very beautiful, as in France).
2) I support the protection of the Russian population in the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk. The problem can be solved in the beginning, without using the army - Putin offered to sit at the table of negotiations militias and the Ukrainian authorities. Ukraine refused.
3) Ukraine and its backers violate international law. Also, the OSCE mission commits a violation of the Minsk agreements. Yesterday unbelievable happened - Ukraine tried to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia as did the Chechen terrorists.
Russia wants from Ukraine is adequate to the neighbor who keeps his word, pays debts, is not satisfied with the terrorist attacks and knows how to communicate.

>>66027
That's a plus. It's better than open warfare.

>>66184
Иди нaхyй, eбaный хoхoл

SENSATION! THE FSB HAS PUBLISHED VIDEO OF INTERROGATION OF TERRORIST!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6vZXvSq7WE

The detainee admitted that he was part of a group that was preparing terrorist attacks. The saboteurs were so close to the ferry, Feodosia tank farm, city Dzhankoy, helicopter regiment and a chemical factory "Titan". Panov also said that he had received remuneration for inspection of these facilities.

>>66017
(12.08.2016) Permanent representative of Russia to the UN Vitaly Churkin on the Security Council consultations have provided member States with information about the incidents in Crimea and made a statement from the Russian foreign Ministry on this issue. He called a useful Meeting of the UN security Council, reports "Interfax".

To me this seems like a perfect storm:
-Likely a manufactured Casus Belli of saboteurs
-Diversion off of a conflict with the US elections and Olympics
-Obvious tract of desirable land between contested DPR and Crimea
-Russian Maskirovka use in Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine already.
-No formidable hawks in power in any NATO country, and right before the ostensibly more hawkish Trump or Clinton are elected
-NATO is still in a weak position in Europe (but slowly rebuilding)
-Rumors of 4 divisions worth of troops in Crimea, an ongoing strategic airlift to Crimea, increasing clandestine radio traffic and buildup on eastern border under the Guise of wargames.

>>66265
-NATO holds exercises in Ukraine near the Russian border.
-USA sends its ships in the black sea (the failed show of force, KEK).
-Ukraine supported Nazi sentiment, violates the Minsk agreement.
-Poroshenko, after an unsuccessful attack, was ordered to lead his army in combat readiness.

>>66017
Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov held telephone talks with Minister of foreign Affairs and international development of France Jean-Marc Ayrault.

During the conversation, the politicians discussed the emergency situation caused by subversive action of the armed forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the territory of the Crimean Federal district.

According to the Russian foreign Ministry, Lavrov said that what happened in Crimea should encourage "our international partners to more vigorous impact on the Ukrainian leadership," but also warned Kiev against dangerous steps that can have negative consequences.

>>66017
The United States urges Russia and Ukraine to reduce stress
Elizabeth Trudeau urged to avoid any action, including the rhetoric, which would have led to greater escalation of the situation
In the United States expressed "deep concern" on the deteriorating situation between Ukraine and Russia, and call on both parties to reduce tensions.

>>66278
Shes helping Ukrainian puppets! That's for sure!
I hope my President will introduce tanks into Kiev!!!

>>66184
Go fuck chohol. Are you fed up even in America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36BKOUEfXKA

>>66017
The head of Ukrainian military intelligence said that the Russian security forces in Crimea themselves fired... TOP KEK CУКA! The FSB agent was shot in the Russian military! Joke of the year!!!! Whence then came the Ukrainian military, storage of explosives and weapons? Joke of the year CУКA!!!!

>>66017
>Poroshenko instructed to arrange a conversation with Putin. In addition, the Ukrainian president wants to talk with Merkel, Hollande, Biden and Tusk.

>Vova, I'm sorry! I'll be good!

>>66285
Porky is alone, now he has to deal with the big bad Wolf,that he has been antagonising because he actually thought the uskikes and the their french and krautcucks puppets actually cared.

>thread is infested with illiterate rusposters

abandon all hope, ye who enter here

>>66280

what is your native language? seriously, this reads like shit.

>>66017
fucking Putin.
why can't we just invade Russia? (NATO+USA)

>>66345
Good job starting WW3

>>66345
LOL. Putin has China and India (and CIS).

>>66345
You can, ask mommy to pack your lunchbox. Bring your dildos... And do it. But do it fast if not when you get there they've all already fled in fear of your prowess.

>>66352
china and india are 3rd world shitholes that suck american dong everyday & twice on sundays

>>66356
In China and India produce 70% of U.S. production. When will start the 3rd world - they will not wonder who owns the factories... America will lose much of its infrastructure + nuclear war + nuclear winter. This is will not even Fallout, this is will be end of the world.

>>66352
China is just waiting for the right moment to take Siberia for its resources. Putin knows this, and thats why he appeases them with cheap gas/oil and free acces for Chinese industry.

We should make a deal with China frankly...

>>66367
Oh lol... You seen the roads in Siberia? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=701c0zdt8gI

You know how cold it is in -60?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KInXvWoq9U

The Chinese are not stupid, they understand that the resources of Siberia it is possible to obtain only by reaching an agreement with Russia.

>>66368
In Siberia it is impossible to build good roads, no technology. After a long winter and -60 degrees, summer starts and the snow starts to melt.
Snow hold for a very long time, for example, you are driving down the road 60 miles - all dry and OK. But, after 60 kilometers you see a lot of water on the road - is snow that didn't melt. This "wet" the road may reach a length of 30-40 kilometers. Then again dry, and then water...

(begins spring - venomous snakes and billions of insects...)

>>66262
Before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6vZXvSq7WE
After: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TBv6d0rTw

A lack of a warm water port has been holding Russia back since forever. They wont give up the chance for it easily. Sad to say but Ukraine is fucked due to geography. Between EU and Russia is not a good place to be

>>66381
Lol

>>66017
The FSB called the name of the organizer of sabotage in the Crimea.
The organizer of sabotage in the Crimea was chief intelligence officer of the 37th battalion of the 56th brigade of the main intelligence Directorate of the defense Ministry of Ukraine Volodymyr Serdyuk, reported RIA Novosti citing a source in the Russian special services.
https://rns.online/military/Spetssluzhbi-nazvali-organizatorom-diversii-v-Krimu-sotrudnika-razvedki-Ukraini-2016-08-12/

>>66381
>those bruses, omg

>>66368
>These roads
>These briefs in -50
>kek

>>66017
>Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev does not rule out a rupture of diplomatic relations with Ukraine if no other option remains. This statement he made, answering a question of journalists.

>>66017
>Invade and annex neighboring country's territory
>Neighboring country attacks your occupying forces
>"IT'S A INVASION!!!!!! DIS BE SUM TERRORISM!!!!! WE'Z UNDER ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!"
Snowkikes: Not even once.

>>66017
The Prosecutor of the Crimea Natalia Polonskaya sure that the Kiev authorities are not able to recognize its direct relationship to the preparation of terrorist acts and sabotage on the Peninsula because of cowardice.

Poklonski stressed that in this way it is possible to once again look at the criminal face of the Ukrainian government. According to her, even the fact that they came to power through a coup, shows their cowardly position. The authorities of Kiev can't even muster the courage to confess to the crime.

>Vice President Joe Biden noted the desire of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko to ease the growing tension with the Russian Federation.

>Politicians have talked before on the phone. Poroshenko admitted Biden in the desire to stop the escalation of the conflict with Russia. Biden remarked that it is a good idea and recalled that the United States is following the situation in Crimea and situation in the Donbass.

>Biden and Poroshenko also discussed the progress of reforms in Ukraine. Vice-President of the United States noted that Washington is ready to provide Kiev financial assistance.

>>66573
>financial assistance
OMFG

>>66495
>Invade and annex neighboring country's territory
But, the invasion was requested by the Prosecutor of the Crimea...
Ukraine has chosen the Prosecutor - the Prosecutor asked Russia for help - held a referendum - the idea was supported by 90%.

>>66140
Ukraine has been the corn chamber of the UDSSR, now Russia wants it back. It has the worldwide largest black soil fields, which is very fertile...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem

>>66017
>U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette was very pleased with the March of the LGBT community, held in Odessa.
>According to Payette, is held in Odessa March of gays and lesbians is a sure sign of change for the better in Ukraine, according to "KP". Pyatt has posted on his Twitter account, which congratulated "the peace #OdesaPride2016. A good first step. Proof that Ukraine is changing."
LOL
L O L

>>66234
not to mention that the Donbass region is richer than any other russian federal district in terms of GDP per kilometer squared, on top of that it has the highest density of ethnic Russians outside of Russia so i doubt we wont be seeing more of Russia there

>>66017
Can I just ask the faggorts in his thread who know: why in darkest fuck do some people, people well versed in the politics of this conflict even, say "the Crimea" or "the Ukraine". We wouldn't say "the Germany" is attacking "the France", but then we might say "the Mississippi River" flows thru "the Midwest". For as many people as I have met who say they're from Ukraine, I've just never heard anyone say they're from "the Ukraine".

>>66712

>"The Ukraine" was once the usual form in English,[25] but since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, "the Ukraine" has become much less common in the English-speaking world, and style-guides largely recommend not using the definite article.[26][14] "The Ukraine" now implies disregard for the country's sovereignty, according to U.S. ambassador William Taylor.[27]

I was curious so I went and looked it up. I just used it because I've seen others use it that way. If I had to guess further, it's because it used to refer to a region instead of a formal state. I don't use and haven't even seen "the Crimea" but I managed to find something on that too:

>In English usage since the early modern period the Crimean Khanate is referred to as Crim Tartary.[6] The Italian[7] form Crimea (and "Crimean peninsula") also becomes current during the 18th century,[8] gradually replacing the classical name of Tauric Peninsula in the course of the 19th century. The omission of the definite article in English ("Crimea" rather than "the Crimea") became common during the later 20th century.[citation needed]

The proper form is "the Crimean Peninsula" so perhaps people forget to cut off the "the" when removing the "Peninsula."

>>66239
[citation needed]

>>66243
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>>66285
RT pls go

>>66328
/pol/ pls go (also, get lessons in intelligibility)

>>66345
Any war between the US and Russia has the potential to get really ugly really fast, which is why we've never directly intervened even when we really wanted to, from Hungary to Ukraine.

>>66367
We did make a deal, back in the 70s. How do you think they got started on selling us stuff? Now they're hooked into the globalist economy, and are loathe to do anything to seriously threaten that supply of sweet, sweet cash.

>>66366
>>In China and India produce 70% of U.S. production.
Haha, what?

>>66752
Keep your fucking mouth shut kike bitch! The jig is up and the tall order comes with a price. That we'll take pleasure in charging. Intelligibility?? Lmfao coming from a yank. Tick tack, tick tack, really hope the kikes have some space left in their bunkers for you.. With a brain and such sapience like yours it would be a great hit to lose you.

>>66756
>britcuck
>thinking his opinion matters on anything
Don't you have a football game to lose?

>>66017
>alleged Crimea raid

western journalism..

>>66757
Brit kek. Be scared you have reasons to be. And believe me we'll make it hurtful.Иcкpeннe Baш

>>66207
Just a mad ukrainian hohol, who is mad on putin

>>66742
Well fucking done m80.
>Khanate
That's an interesting word.
>Tartary
Hory fuk, Tartary's being the areas the tartars controlled... Tartary... Territory... mind melted.

>>66772
Well, yeah. When Russia began their shit and annexed Crimea in 2014, claiming that all the residents were okay with it and begging them to come, the Tartars, not exactly fond of Russia, loudly disagreed.

We haven't heard much from the Tartars recently.

>>66219
>nazi
everybody has been using it since the dark age.

>The Minister of foreign Affairs of Russia Sergey Lavrov said that Moscow has irrefutable evidence of planning attacks in the Crimea the Ministry of defense of Ukraine.
Cry chohols, cry.

>>66046
meme post

>>66017
Great leader

>>66017
crimea river nigga

>>66982
What would you like to hear about?

Speaking of tatars, russian authority in crimea has opened a memorial to Stalin's ethnic cleansing of tatars less than one month ago.

It's a cattle railcar.
http://crimea.ria.ru/society/20160518/1105062508.html

>>66140
He is, I hate those Americans that shill for Russia and Putin. After so many wars and bloodshed in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, as well as all the commie states, they're still trying to one up the West. Putin should relax, the only thing holding up Russia's economy is oil, and oil prices are low right now. Sanctions still hitting hard. Only thing Putin did right was Syria.

>>67119
Maybe, they just moved to Moscow?

>>67139
Ridiculous statement. If the Russian economy keeps only the oil, then why Russia subsist?

>Heavy industry, atomic energy, agriculture, weapons, diamonds, timber, water, coal, fur - no, not heard...

>>67139
>After so many wars and bloodshed in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, as well as all the commie states, they're still trying to one up the West.
A lot of fat. After the Second World War all of Europe was restored at the expense of the Americans and Russians. World War II began because of Hitler - he was a European...

>>67163
>>67161
RT pls go. Oil is 60% of Russian exports.

>>67176
>These awesome stories...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

>>67391
"Russia main exports are oil and natural gas (58% of total exports),"

Does that make Russia white Saudi Arabia?

>>67394
Yeah, except old perverted kings don't own the oil, politicians and oligarchs do.

>>66017
The uskikes are getting nervous, the EU jig is up and ppl aren't that stupid.'ohh say COULD you see... 'haha

>>67437
Could you try rewriting that into a coherent thought

I know it's hard to write during a vodka haze, but most of your posts sound like illiterate memes.

>>67392
1) 58% is not 60%
2) Oil is not over, just dropped the price

>>67447
But this is my first post...

>>67506
Are you seriously autistic enough that you can't accept 60% as an approximation of 58% from memory? Who said oil was over? The price is just low right now, which makes everything harder for an export oriented economy that is more than half based on oil.