http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-praises-saddam-hussein-s-approach-terrorism-again-n604411
>"Saddam Hussein throws a little gas, everyone goes crazy, 'oh he's using gas!'"
>"You know what he used to do to terrorists?" Trump polled the Tennessee crowd. "A one day trial and shoot him…and the one day trial usually lasted five minutes, right? There was no terrorism then."
>Praises hussein for slaughtering citizens and ignoring due process. Saying no terrorist were in iraq, because the terrorist were in the ruling party. Praises putin for being a strong leader while putin controls his position through fear, murder, and propaganda.
What is going on here. The fact that this guy is a recognized candidate is finally sinking in and my stomach is dropping.
What the fuck is going on. Is our country really full of people who like this guy. Who see him as a leader? I'm supposed to enjoy putting on my god damn uniform every morning knowing my CIC is the guy who praises the style of dictators?
Have I been a dumb idealist this whole time thinking the country was populated by real Americans?
>>57468
whether you are a genuine idealist or just a troll, that's great /pol/ bait you got there. Guaranteed (you)s all day on /pol/ if you post that there.
>>57471
Feel free to copy it there, I'm not stepping into that cesspool.
>>57468
It's pretty straightforward. Putting aside all the shit stuff Saddam did (of which there was plenty, which was acknowledged), he kept terrorists in check and under his thumb. Killing him, in no small part, led to the flourishing of numerous terrorist groups in the middle east, which has culminated (thanks to numerous other fuckups in the region) in ISIS being so powerful and influential.
I honestly don't see what is so outrageous about that sentiment, a sentiment that is generally overlooked whenever discussing the middle east in general and the topping of the Saddam Hussein regime in particular.
Look at Libya. The same shit happened there after Gaddafi was toppled. And if not for Russia it probably would have played out in Syria with Assad as well.
>>57468
Meh, whatever....
If a real leader's words make your vagina ache that much, go vote for Hillary.
>>57485
>real leader
Who are you talking about?
>Saddam only used gas againts evil terrorists
lel, can't belive people actually take him serious
>>57521
I think you misread.
He was talking about how, yes, Sadaam did bad things like use gas against civilians, but that he also crushed terrorists underfoot and prevented them from flourishing.
>>57468
Fuck off back to r*ddit, you colossal faggot.
>>57531
This is /news/ not /pol/. It's not the best OP, or the best article, but it's better than a lot of the stuff on both boards. Either contribute to the thread one way or another, or just leave it be (or even just report it if you think it doesn't belong here).
>>57468
>What the fuck is going on. Is our country really full of people who like this guy.
American elections aren't about voting _for_ someone, they're about voting _against_ someone else.
Unfortunately, I can't think of an historical presidential election that was between two worse candidates then Trump and Hillary...
>>57480
Yes saddam cracked down on terror groups, but he WAS a terror group. He also cracked down on every other citizen in iraq. It's like praising a Mexican cartel because "well they killed those other cartels". There is no good guy here. Saddam could do more damage to the US than any of the groups he was "keeping in check".
Power vacuums are always bad. It's been that way for millenia, and we have only forgot that in this time of "civilized government". It wasn't long ago that a new King would slaughter his siblings and fight a civil war against other civil leaders.
>>57546
Yeah. One is a criminal, and the other is trump.
>>57468
Well, all the American presidents are only nominated because of their PERSONALITY. Trump is winning because he's a rich billionaire which makes him interesting, Hillary is second because she's a women, Bernie was third because he's a socialist, Obama won the presidency because he's black. Being president in the united states doesn't seem to be about merit, it's all about personality.
I really hope the gop decides to just say "well fuck this" and puts Gary Johnson on the ticket. I think trump has such high disapproval numbers that it probably won't make much of a difference if/when he runs third party.
I was so for trump before this too, but this is just literal insanity. You can't fucking praise someone who gassed his own civilians. You just can't.
>>57569
Yes the presidency has been a popularity contest since Washington himself (people wanted him to serve extra terms), but there is as an expectation to pretend to be professional during a campaign.
Hillary / Trump have been caught blatantly lying on multiple occasions, on video. Temp does not even try to hide it or do a fake apology. Nixon was impeached with cassette tapes! They just outspent the competition with trump using his business to fund his campaign and Hillary being funded by Saudia Arabia through the Clinton foundation donations.
>>57571
I'm not 100% for Johnson, but he is a sane alternative to these two.
>>57569
>because she's a women
Or because she's been ascending in public office for nearly 2 decades, with an active political role prior to that. She hasn't been out of the news cycle in the past decade -- she's been literally the most famous Democrat out there of any gender who isn't a current or former president.
So pardon fucking me if I don't share your cynicism on this. Hillary is a great example of a candidate who LACKS personality.
Here's how /pol/ reacted when I posted it there:
>>>/pol/80654274
Mods closed the thread early, btw. I intended my final reply to be on the lines of "America and Hussein can both be bad without excluding each other, dumbasses."
>>57590
Now I see where all the trump supporters in 4chan reside.
Would this be news?
http://americablog.com/2016/07/gop-adopts-cure-gays-platform-plank.html
>>57468
Yeah, Saddam was so terrible. Thank Non-Denominational JudeoPaganWicca Goddess Buddhallah that America got rid of him and fucked it all up so hard that we got ISIS instead.
>>57468
He's right though, just because Hussein was an evil cunt doesn't mean you get to ignore the results. Without him the world has bigger problems.
>>57626
Not yet. The amendment was only voted to be brought from subcommittee to committee to be voted into the final platform. Once that vote happens it will be newsworthy. Right now it's just fags being fags (in the generic sense of the word).
>>57627
>>57628
Ok, let's say there's a woman being raped on the street, and I'm a police sergeant with a couple officers and I shoot the rapist and I'm like "You're safe now," etc. As we're waiting for the ambulance and shit, we're completely incompetent and another rapist comes in and rapes her even worse than the previous guy, beating her up real bad at the same time.
Should we be saying the first rapist was a good guy for keeping other rapists away, instead of maybe, y'know, blaming the police who completely fucked up the clean-up and protection detail afterwards?
It's an imperfect analogy by design, so don't nitpick it too much -- I'm simply saying that you can have two horrible figures, but just because one is far worse than the other doesn't mean you are in any possible conscionable way justified in defending the less-worse one.
>>57627
>>57628
Saddam was the head of a unified (by force) iraq that conquered syria. With a top 5 air force and large mechanized army who was the major military power in the Desert.
ISIS is less than 10,000 fighters who can BARELY hold parts of syria and iraq. They are not close to holding both at once like saddam. ISIS does not even register as a threat compared to saddam.
If the Iraqi gov would let us send troops in, ISIS would be done in 1-2 years at most. Same with syria except it would stay ww3 with Russia.
>>57636
This is a better metaphor.
A gang is raping a woman and killing her family. A police officer breaks in with no warrant and kills the gang. The woman thanks the cop but gets tired of him being in her house and tells him to leave or she will fight him. The cop leaves and a rapist that was scared of the gang breaks into the house and starts raping the woman.
>>57578
Basically a bitch
>>57640
>If the Iraqi gov would let us send troops in
The Iraqi gov't has no problem with us sending troops in to wipe out ISIS, since ISIS basically steamrolled their army. The American and European people absolutely 100% don't want to send troops in, and as there's no easy way to distinguish combatants from noncombatants and still no strong Iraqi government to quickly rebuild infrastructure and security it would be a sticky situation regardless.
>>57645
Didn't the Iraqi gov say they wanted us to adhere to the treaties and pull troops out. That they could fight ISIS alone and would not accept foreign troops.
>>57646
They asked for drone strikes and air support. The US actually hates resorting to those options due to collateral and PR. In order to facilitate both, we had to have some troops operating on the ground. Iraq doesn't like having foreign ground troops in the country. It's the equivalent of asking a guy for a lift and then complaining that the ride is too bumpy.
>>57636
I don't think Trump is defending him though, is he? He's pointing out that A) his tactics worked, B)America (and everyone else in the coalition and in the region) didn't pick up the 'terrorist-killing' slack after they removed him, C) that America refuses to act as quickly and ruthlessly as Saddam did.
Those are the three takeaway points, as a way of describing how ISIS became so powerful, are what I take from the conversation each time he talks about this, not that he in any way thinks Saddam was a good person. Strong (a word he has used in conjunction with others to describe leaders like Saddam and Putin alike) =/= good, and he says that.
>>57636
Better analogy:
White knight sees neighbor woman whose husband smacks her around when he gets drunk on weekends. White knight beats up husband, calls cops, and sends him off to jail.
Woman has no income, loses the house, street thugs in the new low-rent hood see there's no guy at home and break in regularly to rape and rob her. Social Services takes the kids, she develops a drug problem. Cops and white knight are long gone and feel great about their heroism.
Not at all inconsistent, wrong, or shocking to say that the guy snacking around his wife may have been an asshole, but he kept the lights on, the family fed, and the rapists and burglars out.
Or you can just make a moral equivalence here and ignore the woman's current situation. Makes the white knight and cops feel better to say "we did what we could" and ignore the highly predictable outcome.
>>57652
I think it's the equivalent of saying that Mussolini made the trains run on time, or that Hitler massively improved the German economy. No one wants to hear that. But...It's true. If we can accept that bad people sometimes DO know something about how to make shit happen and happen efficiently (and thus ever manage to get in power in the first place), we could learn a lot and incorporate some tactics for peaceful goals. Being a naive Pollyanna is not a great way to accomplish world goals. Every time Spiderman saves his enemy because it seems so moral, he becomes responsible for all of the consequences of that event...including when the enemy kills a bunch more people.
Americans have been lied to about the Middle East for the past fice decades. I'm not surprised this is "controversial" since we fund those same terrorist groups on a daily basis. Our foreign policy handlers have thrown us into perpetual war, and will not give it up until every ME regime is a puppet regime
>>57468
Look up genocide, dipshit.
Hitler committed genocide, Stalin did not. Mass murdering political tyrants may kill a lot of people and be either genocidal or not. Slapping on a "genocide" label doesn't make it worse, it's a description of the reasons behind the killing. It's just somehow become the trendy superlib way of saying "bad leader responsible for deaths", like when BLM idiots say that the draft for Vietnam was genocide because blacks got drafted into a "white man's war." Dilutes the impact.
You want to learn about genocide? Google "Rwandan massacre". Hutus vs. Tutsis, machetes and very blatant ethnic cleansing. That's the gold standard.
>>57468
Yea, and Hillary lied to the entire country. we arrive at the same question again...
A giant douche or a turd sandwich?
NEWSFLASH: BOTH CANDIDATES ARE TOTAL SHIT.
WE ALREADY KNOW.
>>57669
>Stalin did not.
The Holodomor is considered by a majority of historians to be Stalin's genocide of Ukrainians. Look it up and read on it and agree or disagree, but I don't care about your opinion -- just qualify your statement with something like "Hitler committed an active systematic targeted genocide -- Stalin's Holodomor was passive by contrast".
>>57699
...and that logic can be furthered ad infinitum, such that every war in history could be considered a "genocide" of the victors over the victims. The American South in 1860 had more people of Scottish ancestry while the North had more of English. Ergo, the Civil War was a genocide of Brits vs. Scots? The predominantly white U.S. drops bombs on Japan and kills many thousands of Japanese, ergo the U.S. is as guilty of "genocide" as the Nazi regime?
Bullshit.
And I also call bullshit on your assertion that "a majority of historians consider the Holodomor to be Stalin's genocide of Ukranians." Have a look at the following, and note the quote that "there is no international consensus among scholars or governments on whether the Soviet policies that caused the famine fall under the legal definition of genocide"...feel free to check the links to the primary sources and scholarly articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question
>>57663
This seems like the best analogy.
Plus saddam may have killed people in and of course near his country, but Isis kills as many people as they possibly can around the world.
>>57569
>Being female is a personality
Donald Trump is just meming his way to the presidency. He doesn't believe this shit (if you want to name a dictator whose brutal methods prevented more serious violence, go with Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia, always), but it gets him free publicity so he goes with it.
>>57468
yes. absofuckinglutely. dictatorship is the ONLY form of government for arabs. and we could do a whole lot better than democracy, as well.
it's called 'reality'.
donald trump isn't afraid to acknowledge 'reality'. YOU are.
he can save us.
Do you have any idea what Obama, Hillary and Bush have done?
Worse and and all in order to CREATE ISIS rather than destroy them
>>57669
>holohoaxing this hard
JIDF please go home
The point is Saddam may have been brutal, but he was keeping all out collapse at bay, which is what we see now. It's actually true...
>>57769
This, Saddam was nowhere near as bad as the terrible situation currently in Iraq
>>57769
Im gonna have to agree with you. It is true that saddam was extreme and brutal, and he was definitely no hero, but he got the job done.
>>57774
If the world had a choice between Saddam and ISIS, who's choosing ISIS as the lesser of two evils?
ITT people who don't know what a Status of Forces agreement is.