More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars

>>51643
Kek, glad I'm not American.

Absolutely cuck country

And how many of those gun related deaths were because of blacks?

America has a black problem, not a gun problem.

>>51654

Sure, keep telling yourself that

>>51643
>Don't be retard
>don't get shot
Fuck that was hard.

At least Americans have natural selection pressures, unlike every other pussified Western nation where citizens live locked in rubber rooms, perpetually "safe", much the same way dairy cows are kept safe in their confinement so the owners can milk them.

>>51661

>you're totally and completely free as long as you do exactly as the authority says otherwise, get shot lol

>>51665
That's how laws work, yes. Don't like it? Shoot back.

Oh wait- you gave up your rights so you would get stabbed to death rather than shot.

>>51666

That's how laws work in totalitarian states.
In civilized countries you have rights besides "comply or die"

>>51643
sss

> I need guns to protect my freedoms.

Implying you even know what freedom is you fucking fruits.

>>51643
>killed by guns

>>51654
So much denial in one post

>>51673
What freedom kek

>>51643
Holy shit, over 700k deaths from the civil war? that's insane

>tfw the largest wartime body count is the civil war.

Is there a version minus suicide by firearms? It's a pretty useless chart right now.

>>51682
>>51683
Sure. Injuries were much more likely to lead to deaths, and we count the deaths from both sides.

>>51680
Over half of those murders were committed by <6% of the population, but what conclusion should one draw from that? We can do faulty comparison's like >>51643
all day. This is more akin to data dredging than science, but people love their pretty pictures--sorry, "data visualizations".

>>51661
>natural selection pressures
>some weak psychopath kills shit ton people and then kills himself
>natural selection

>>51694
>human beings are exceptional and not a part of the natural world

>>51700

How to evolve to a higher species

Step 1
>don't be American
Step 2
>don't live in America

>>51702
>teleological evolution
keep the ignorant statements coming

>>51643
Hey,I wonder what race shot the other race more and killed?

Golly gee,I'm sure its not

black on black and
black on white crime
black on asian

Along with

mexican on mexican
mexican on white
mexican on black crime

>>51643
How many of those were suicide or lawful self defense?

>>51707
>Implying anyone is going to point that out
Kek GUN CONTROL NOW!!!!!!

Yes what a shocking statistic that will surely change my stance on gun control.
Just a few questions.
1.) Who conducted this study and what metrics did it use, IE what counts as a firearm related death. Wouldn't most wartime casualties count as firearm related deaths?

2.) Compared to the number of firearm related deaths, what are the numbers for other deaths such as car-related deaths, chemical-related deaths, melee-related deaths etc?

3.)What is the overall number of deaths in the timeframe provided?

4.) Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

>>51643
Take away suicides from that number and it'll be under 200k.

>>51643
Actually I'd be interested to see how many non-wartime firearm deaths there were before 1968. This chart is kind of comparing two different things.
Population differences should also be taken into account.

>>51717
It's data in search of a hypothesis; we'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel for """research""" here.

How many are gang related?

>>51715
I was thinking the same.

>>51643
Isnt that around the time of civil rights?

>>51643
The most gun heavy places on earth (like Plano, TX) have gun death rates that are fractions of European nations. So if we make everyone armed like in Plano, we'll have less crime and shit than Shitrope

>>51643
31,000 a year is a big number. But your presentation of the figures is very misleading as it doesn't take into account small american casualties in the world wars and the deaths as a percentage of the population in those long ago times.
e.g.
civil war is about 700,000 deaths from a total population of 30,000,000 which is .023% of the population
yearly gun deaths now is about 0.00001% of the population...

>>51751
but still a big mutha fucking number... Not the highest in the world, but big

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

>>51753
I would argue that america has a psychological and cultural problem rather than a gun problem given that Switzerland has a far lower death to gun violence ratio but has fully automatic weapons in every home.

>>51711
the figures are accurate, but are presented in a way that makes it look a lot worse than it is.

>>51667
Lol okay Pierre keep calling your country civilized as Mohammad fucks your wife and your government is actively trying to get rid of you.

>>51753
No fucking shit it's going to be big when the country consists of 300,000,000, 10% of then being niggers

>>51754
As well as gun training and mandatory military time so they actually now how to treat a gun. Most Americans don't do that

>>51756
Precisely was #4 was referring to. You need more context than what was given to make an accurate judgment here, but it's set up to imply this is huge.

>>51643
>Governmental reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that there have been 1,516,863 gun-related deaths since 1968 (included suicides).
>included suicides
>guns should be taken away because people shoot themselves with them

>>51643
> OMG! Average of 31,500 per year!
> counting suicides
> blaming them on guns

What a surprise, more lies from the lying liars…

But that’s how bat-shit crazy anti-gun fundies roll, because when the foundation of your belief is that inanimate objects _cause_ murder and suicide, you’ve got nowhere to go but down.

Meanwhile in the real world, the murder rate has continued to decline since 1995 and this despite there being more guns in the U.S. than ever before (300+ million and more each year) as well as almost every state having Shall Issue concealed carry laws on the books.

There are literally thousands of American right now walking around with handguns in their pockets and the murder rate continues to go down.

If guns are the problem as the anti-gun nut fundies claim, how is this possible?

>>51643

According to this nytimes article,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

60% of american gun deaths are suicide.

Which means, that if guns were taken away,

suicide would still happen, via hanging, jumping off of high places, sitting in running cars in garages, etc.

>>51796

one could ask, how many of non-gun suicides are successful? (Pretending guns simply vanished tomorrow), the vast majority of suicide attempts would probably be unsuccessful.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

>>51799
>completely ignores the fact that it's a human being trying to kill themselves
I bet you think the cure for depression is psychiatrists.

> The vast majority of murders committed are by blacks against other blacks

These Niggers are doing society a favor.

The question is, how do we get Niggers in detroit, chicago, memphis, atlanta, boston, etc more guns?

>>51809

i'm guessing you are a church going man.

>>51808

the post you responding to says nothing more than "suicides by gun are most successful. if guns magically vanished, there would probably be less suicide deaths." It doesn't take a stand on gun control, it just points out a simple fact. You stated that suicides would still be occurring if guns vanished, which is correct. However, there would probably be less successful suicides since 85% of successful suicides are committed via gun.

This is a point that you need to address in order to make your argument stronger and you want the suicide number to be convincing.

You can read any thing into the post that you want. Guns = most successful suicides. Other common methods = far less successful because other methods may not work as well.

As for cure for a depression, I have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You seem to have trouble staying on topic anon. Changing the topic when you find information you don't like isn't going to help you any.

>>51818
The metric is supposed to show that gun control should be enacted because of the large amount of gun death's in the country.

Research has shown that taking away people's options for easy suicide lowers the chance of suicide.

However suicide does not seem to be an issue that either liberals or conservatives generally care about.

The real issue is that fact that there have been so many shootings lately, and a huge push to find ways to prove that us having guns is causing these shootings to happen.

But WE aren't the fucking enemy.

There are two motives for these shootings and they all revolve around MONEY. Humans follow money and die for money, because money is power, security, and life.


1. Muslim radicals are fed up because of European and American thievery of their resources and propping up totalitarian puppet leaders that work with us.

and

2. Certain intelligence agencies find unhappy immigrants in European countries and, posing as ISIS recruiters, manipulate these kids into doing these shootings. The motive for the intelligence agencies is that they require these wars and terror threats to legitimize their existence.

Once Americans decide they aren't afraid anymore, we can demand these agencies get their balls chopped.

>>51808
Fucking troglodyte lol

>>51818
>Suicide and depression are different topics
>t. Liberal
My point is you have to treat the disease, not the symptoms of the disease. If you have a laceration brimming with infected pus, do you take a Tylenol to deal with the pain, then cover the abcess with cosmetics? Or do you clean and disinfect the wound, and utilize antibiotics?


All suicides would fail if we kept everyone in rubber rooms and prevented access to such dangerous materials as rope, household chemicals, transportation, and over the counter drugs. But that would not fix the environment that led them to believe that death is the only relief.

If you want to reduce suicide, reduce the reasons people kill themselves. But you don't want that, you want an excuse to remove weapons from law abiding people, whose only crime is wishing to protect their nation.

It works the same way everywhere M80.
People usually kills people.
Soldiers doesn't die as easily in war as hollywood made you think.
In fact, I bet a lot more people die in workplace accidents than firearms.
U.S doesn't have a gun problem, they have mental problems.
Take away the guns, and murricans will kill eachother with slingshoots or bows.

>>51643
If you take out all the suicides it's probably less than the civil war alone.

>>51762

Even all terror attacks in Europe combined don't kill as many people as in America are shot in 5 days

>>51754
Almosr half of the murders are caused by gang violence. In reality america has two different societies. One very safe with low levels of violent crime. One very dangerous with high levels of violent crime.

>>51835

You seem to have me confused with someone else. Maybe this a typical "conservative" reaction to information?

You told anon that suicide would still occur without guns. I said you are correct but with info from Harvard if guns magically vanished there would probably we less successful suicide attempts. The point being if suicide attempts remained the same but other methods were employed the number of deaths would be drastically reduced. This is something you should consider before throwing out stats about suicide deaths and guns because it weakens your argument.

As mentioned in the previous post I don't care about gun control, but your suicide stat didn't work. And that's why the previous post only states without any pro or anti gun bullshit, gun = most successful suicide tool, without guns less successful suicide and more people alive. The information is neutral. You can react and go off topic or you can see the weakness and reformat your argument or you can start spouting bullshit like someone personally attacked you.

As for depression and suicide. Yes another way to reduce suicide would be reducing the macro level causes that cause both.

>>51840

Legalize drugs. Problem solved. Murder spiked during prohibition and spiked again during the war on drugs. The dealers fight with each other. Legalize and regulate drugs and the murder rate will collapse

>>51643
That's not true, anon. We've killed millions of others.

We've only killed a lot of ourselves... I mean... each other. (Or ourselves too? Are we counting suicides?)

>>51844
>Thinks gun control can reduce suicide

Tell me about South Korea and Japan?

Killed with guns, not by guns. A gun doesn't magically aim and shoot by itself.

Secondly, you have to look at who's doing the most shooting and where. Tip: It isn't white men, nor does it happen in all-white conservative towns with lots of gun owners.

>>51643

What are the stats for other countries?

We could keep everyone in plastic rooms so they can't hurt themselves. That would be the safest route.

>>51643
you can be entirely uniqe....

>>51844
buildings are tall and abundant retard. Anyone that couldnt figure out how to die without a gun wasnt very motivated to die to begin with. Blow it out your ass liberal.

>>51851
>Killed with guns, not by guns.
finally someone else points it out

>>51928
You seem extraordinarily stupid. It seems the only thing you would ever be good is making gun advocates look bad. Congrats anon.

1) In 2001, there were 2,085 attempts to fall to ones death, however only 651 of these attempts were fatal. meaning only 31% of these attempts are fatal.

2) Out of 19, 849 suicide attempts with a gun 16,869 were successful (85%)

There is a significant difference in the likelihood of a suicide attempt being successful depending on the method used. This is a simple fact. You can get angry about it or you can act like an adult.

>>51849
>South Korea/Japan

Well anon as I mentioned in another post method alone does not equal successful suicide. (Who would guess something as significant as suicide could include multiple factors? See Durkheim's book on Suicide) For South Korea, it is predominately elderly people who live in poverty that try to kill themselves, which is different than the US where it is middle aged men. But when comparing the us vs south korea it might be smart to compare the number or attempts vs # successful suicide attempts. It'd also be smart to think about how age relates to likelihood of success in suicide. How would their suicide rate change if people had access to guns? (It might stay the same, but is very unlikely that it'd go down.)

Like the other anon you seem triggered rather than thinking logically. If guns were to magically vanish and the rate of suicide attempts continued at the same rate, yes, the number of successful suicides would likely be reduced. This isn't a political statement (even though you seem to take it as such). As mentioned above multiple times, I do not care about gun control. However, if you are going to make an argument for one side or the other, it'd probably be a good idea to actually make sense.

>>51643
The population has more than doubled since 1968, of course the absolute numbers are higher,
The fact that the average shooting deaths per year (half of which are suicides, ~8000 of which are gang related violence, thus from the start lowering that number to ~7500/yr when controlling for suicides and niggers I.E reasonably removing the highest and lowest denominators) has remained fairly constant while the population has continued to rise shows that there is no argument about increased violence OR sustained levels of violence.
And lastly nobody gives a flying fuck so kill yourself.

>>51944
Atop using these long winded paragraphs.

Also, the largest cause of death for teens in Korea is suicide. So both the extreme young and extreme old are suffering.

But you didn't really answer my question about how gun control helps prevent suicide. I attempted suicide back when I was having side effects from Accutane. I didn't use a gun.

No, I am not "triggered" by posting one sentence. Seems like you are since you're going on and on without directly responding to my point that gun control does not help with suicides.

>>51970

Gun = 85% likelihood of successful suicide.
Any other method = less likely to successfully commit suicide.
It is pretty simple math. If the number of attempts remain the same the number of successful suicides would drop.

>>51977
People have a right to end their life. Ignoring that, relegating them to inferior methods of doing so is cruel, and tacking on the bureaucracy of the state to approve who gets to die is dangerous.

>>51977
And countries with higher suicide rates disprove your expectation. You say those numbers WILL go down like you have precognition. "Simple math" doesn't cover the complexity of behavior, nor is your math statistically accurate.

96.2% of suicide by train attempts are successful. 97% of cyanide attempts are successful. 94.3% of suicide attempts jumping off a building are successful. Desperate people will find a way. What is your point about 85% of firearm attempted suicides being successful? Using your logic, we should ban depressed people from going higher than 3 floors, and near train tracks, since those methods of suicide are even more successful than guns.

>>51981
Are you suggesting that death by self inflicted gun shot is a humane?
How might that argument would hold up against other conservatives? (right to die is frowned upon by the Christian right).
>>51990
where are you getting these numbers? what % of suicide attempts use any of these means in the US?

>banning people from going three floors up.
kek. way to strawman that one out.

"Firearms are the most lethal and most common method of suicide in the U.S. More people who die by suicide use a gun than all other methods combined. Suicide attempts with a firearm are almost always fatal, while those with other methods are less likely to kill. Nine out of ten people who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide later.

Every U.S. study that has examined the relationship has found that access to firearms is a risk factor for suicides. Firearm owners are NOT more suicidal than non-firearm owners; rather, their suicide attempts are more likely to be fatal. Many suicide attempts are made with little planning during a short-term crisis period. If highly lethal means are made less available to impulsive attempters and they substitute less lethal means, or temporarily postpone their attempt, the odds are increased that they will survive. Studies in a variety of countries have indicated that when access to a highly lethal and leading suicide method is reduced, the overall suicide rate drops driven by a drop in the restricted method."

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/

This doesn't means guns need to be banned, but if you are arguing that guns have nothing to do with suicide rates, the argument doesn't carry much weight. People like owning guns because they are effective, powerful and easy weapon to use, these same attributes that are positive for arguments about protection become negative when viewed from the perspective of suicide. I don't understand why this gets you bent out of shape.

>>51990
Holy shit. Yes desperate people will find a way. That's true for any fucking mental condition. He's talking about the people who would decide "hmm, maybe I shouldn't an hero" because the most effective method isn't on the table.

>>51998
that's a lot of questions to be begging

>>51682
It's not even in the top ten civil wars

Even the English civil war had more casualties

>>51707
We should just trump it up and deport all blacks and Mexicans

>>51778
Normally when kids can't play safely with their toys, parents take them away

>>51796
>>51808
Ninety percent of people who attempt suicide go on to never attempt suicide again

>>51851
>>51940
>killed with guns, not by guns
Okay, how about we leave the guns how they are, but now it's illegal to touch one

>>51711
Also pay attention to the fact that in those battles. . . THE PEOPLE WERE ARMED. The people who die firearm related deaths in the US are mostly suicides, but in ALL the shootings, had the victims been armed, there'd be a lot less victims. That statistic would be shocking, if it wasn't just common sense. They're pretty much just saying "look at us point to numbers that don't actually deal with the multitudinous variables of human existence!"

>>51999

actually he is discusses people who try but don't succeed. This is different than people deciding not to commit suicide.

>>51667
We have more rights then you, yet youre mocking the US. I have a wonderful new idea: non-american, fuck off. We don't care about your opinion, and it has less then zero value in regards to the way our country is run.

NON-AMERICANS: FUCK OFF.

>>51707
EXCUSE ME, don't trigger me by racially assuming things. If we banned those guns, they wouldn't shoot each other!!! They would just turn in their guns and stop buying them from personal dealers who sell only stolen guns!! I'm sure they'd even turn them in if we required it by law!

>>51754
Please don't spread false information. Read about Swiss law before you post dumb shit.

>>52029
>Punishing an entire country of people who follow gun laws to the T for the actions of a very, very, VERY small percentage

Yep, it reeks of liberals in here.

>>51998
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

According to CDC and other universities, firearm isn't the most lethal method. If you take it away, they will find other ways which are in fact more lethal. Like jumping in front of a train, jumping off a building. That is what they do in Korea since the average citizen cannot get a firearm.

In every other country with high suicide rates, removing guns from the equation did not I pact the number of suicides one bit.

>short term crisis,short term solutin
Because it is so hard to find a tall building and jump, compared to purchasing a gun?

Impulse suicides happen. They close off the roof of the tallest building at the university I graduated from during finals because of this. People would see the final was hopeless, walk out of the classroom up to the 11th story roof and jump off.

I don't see how doing something with firearms helps impulse suicide.

>>52041
USA is actually the 20th most free country in the world according to the Cato institutes freedom report

>>52050
>Lobbies control your laws
And we still vote in the people whom we choose. Lobbies whom we pay to lobby (NRA, ACLU) voice our opinions. Some lobbyists represent companies.
>Some cant even vote
Non-Americans can't vote, and retards who cant find their ID cant vote in all of, what, 3 states? It sounds like a decent idea to me.
>Car retailers
First you're against businesses because of lobbying, then you're against? Ive never even heard of this. Car dealerships are fucking everywhere. There is no shortage of car sales.
>Jews cuck you for money
LOL, name any first world country that doesn't support Israel. They do it because we do it. I dont agree with it, but it still let's us spy on you.
>You're safe nowhere
This is pure myth. I drive for a living, and within my 500 miles radius, working every hour of any day, I have never been robbed, mugged, harassed, etc. Hell, ive seen more guns in my life then you cucks ever will, and have only ever heard gunshots at ranges and on the 4th of July. The media portrays the US falsely. That's like saying that everyone in the UK has terrible teeth and eats crumpets every day. It may be true, but in very, very small pockets. its very rare to ever actually encounter crime here. People fall for percentages and skewed data too easily. Do you have any idea how huge the US truly is? Do you know how many people there really are?

>>52069
Yea, take a look at syria, whom has no real government, and let me know how that flawless freedom works.
Switzerland has forced military service.
Japan has 0 guns.
UK has people decide what's safest for them.
Germany gets cucked by liberal leader.
Australia is more cucked then the UK.

And don't give me those measly little countries with no actual government. They cannot compare to a nation the size of the US.

>>52073
>memes

Are you 16 or something?

>>52074
What are you talking about? 'Cucked' isn't a meme, and you're trying to slyly escape the fact that you got proven wrong.

>>52079
>cucked
>not a meme

>you're trying to slyly escape the fact that you got proven wrong

Now this is podracing

Yeah, because its not like
>suicides are the majority of that stat
>gang warfare is a leading factor

But, oh, sorry, was I using logic? Time to stoop down to the level of your average day liberal:
GUN CONTROL. NOW GUN CONTROL. NOW GUN CONTROL. NOW GUN CONTROL. NOW GUN CONTROL. NOW GUN CONTROL. NOW

>>51667
>In civilized countries you have rights besides "comply or die"
You aren't even allowed to buy a gun for self-defense in Germany.

THE GOVERNMENTS BLAME THERE FUCKING RAPES ON THE WOMEN

How do you have rights?

>>52080
It must feel terrible being wrong. I can taste your bitter tears from here, as I load .223 rounds into my magazine, lube my glock 42 for tomorrow, and gaze into the woodland pattern of my armored vest. This is freedom. You will never feel the cool touch of a round as it caresses your testes. You will never drive a 500 HP mustang. You will never own a fucking tank.

>>52080

Placing your head in the sand and ignoring any weakness your argument isn't the best way to make a strong case. The only thing you have proven is that you are irrational and blinded by ideology. your retardation is comical since as I've mentioned multiple times I don't give a fuck about gun control just your poor reasoning on a simple aspect of the broader issue.

>>52048

>>52048

1. Your link says shotgun to head = most lethal. Your link goes on to say, "
Whilst individual studies might differ in terms of the actual mortality rate, they are fairly consistent that firearms and hanging are the two most effective methods. Jumping is also very effective if done from sufficient height." now we have a difference in the stats as the Harvard study places falls with a much lower success rate, but even if falling = less success it will equal less deaths. (You could debate how significant the difference would be based on the success rate and likelihood of people that would have used fire arms would now pick jumping off tall shit).

2. The Harvard research supports the notion that reduction in firearms = reduction is suicide deaths because other means are not as efficient (which your link says as well).

3. As for kid jumping off dorms. Access to the roof is often forbidden and high Windows don't seem to open wide enough to let people squeeze through. Regulating the space may prevent suicide deaths as the kids might turn to something less effective than falling.
4. Impulse suicides.
The Harvard study points out fun owners are not more suicidal but they have a greater risk of dying in suicide. If a gun is right there it is easy.

There are many ways to kill oneself and to kill other people. The power, ease, and accessibility of a gun makes it an attractive and effective tool for both. The power of the gun is what makes attractive for the idea of protection and for self harm. It is two sides of the same coin.

>>52069

According the Koch brothers who buy and sell the establishment.

>>51643
>implying you don't die by firearms in war

>>52082
If you really think this is what anyone's thinking you are the one who's been "cucked"

>>52084
>>52089
You seem upset

>>51654
Back to /pol/ biatch

>>52130
>merkelite talking about how the us has no rights

How's that Caliphate going for ya? Been any good arrests because someone said they prefer tighter immigration?

>>52118

>>52089
wasn't supposed to be a reply to your post. this was meant for a different anon. this has nothing to do with you and >>52084 's shouting match.

>>51643
most of those are suicides. Check the cdc faggots

>>51708
Roughly 2/3 of the 30,000+ number that gun control advocates like to parade around are due to suicide, dropping the annual non-suicide firearms deaths to 8K to 11K per year. They hate it when you point that out, by the way.
They're even more annoyed when you point out that nearly half (5,101 in 2010) of firearm homicides occurred in just 5 cities - L.A., NYC, Chicago, Detroit, and DC...all of which have some of the strictest gun control in the US.
Also interesting that in the UK and Australia, with near-total firearms bans in effect, the suicide rate remained virtually unchanged before and after bans; people found other ways to off themselves.
The U.S. has a homicide rate of about 3.9 per 100,000, and there are about 310 million firearms in private possession.
In contrast, Brazil requires all firearms to be registered, firearms may not be carried outside the home, every owner must have a permit costing about $1,000 which must be renewed every 3 years... and Brazil has a homicide rate of 24.6 per 100,000 (more than six times that of the USA) and only 17 million firearms (less than 6 percent of the USA), over half unregistered.
Just think - over 310 million firearms in the U.S., and yet at least 309,989,000 of those aren't being used to commit a murder in any given year.
Within the US, those numbers are also skewed a bit by the fact that the U.S. Virgin Islands has a homicide rate of 54.6 per 100,000 and Puerto Rico's rate is 18.5 per 100,000.
By the way, the U.S. homicide rate is 112th of 218 countries measured annually by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, while civilian firearm ownership is higher in the US. than anywhere else by far, at about 91 firearms per 100 people.

>>51707
FBI statistics say black males (6 percent of the population) account for approximately 54% of firearm homicides and over 35% of all firearm homicide victims.
For white males, gun deaths are overwhelmingly suicide-related (77%).
For black males, gun deaths are overwhelmingly homicide-related (82%).

>>52232

Solution to most gun violence = legalize drugs. Most gun violence comes from low level dealers fighting over turf, stolen product, etc. The majority of problems come from the low level dealers not the users.

If drugs were legalized and regulated America s level of violence and number of people would dramatically drop.

However, this wouldn't change most calls for gun control because no one gives a fuck about poor blacks killing each other, but instead worry about school shootings and terrorism.

>>51643
good, the less Americans there are the better off the rest of the world is.

>>51643
those fatass retarded niggas deserve to die.

>>52395
you are pathetic

>>51643
This is my new favorite statistic.
Thanks OP

>>51654
>>51666
> So much autism

>>51682
yes, who was the civil war faught against ...? Double up the normal casualties dumb dumb

>>52427
How was that autistic? There was nothing autistic in his post at all.

lol bait but yes , ok Shure we are gods we love to do god things sorry.

>>52428

Think before you open your mouth, or just don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about. The U.S. Civil War had more deaths than every other U.S. war combined, whether measured per year or in total -- you don't just "double up". By many measures it was the bloodiest Western war of the 19th century (and of all previous centuries, by extension, but there were fewer people and crappier weapons then).

If you are going to count the suicides under death by guns I demand that you move and count the suicides of veterans as death by warfare.
Yah, OP's assumptions suck.
He breaks apart the different wars into smaller circles, but he doesn't break apart the big lie of "firearm deaths" into murders by race, homicides, accidents, and the biggest one of all suicides.
Firearms are not the problem. The looney left with their inability to recognize simple facts are the problem. One, Triggers don't pull themselves. Two, you are only guilty and should have your human rights taken away AFTER you commit a crime.

OP has failed to count two significant things in his "war deaths."
War has two sides, thus not counting the enemies dead in American conflicts is unfair. After all an American shooting an American gun at a foreign person should count for something. Maybe racist op will compromise and count them as 3/5ths of a death?
Civilian casualties from war should also be count. Especially for the Civil War.

>>51702
Please don't give Americans the idea that they can live elsewhere, they are fundamentally different to the rest of the world.

Stop trying to justify these stats. The fact is, there would be much less death in america if there were no guns. I'm not saying that people would just stop killing each other. It would just be a lot harder to do so. Please consider the difference of killing someone with a firearm to killing someone with a knife. For one, you can't do the later by accident.

Simply put, guns are designed, built and purchased to kill. There is almost no other practical use for a gun. When you allow the sale of weapons designed to kill, people are going to kill.

I always though the "stupid american" stereotype was just myth, but hearing some of you gun nuts is just proving it to be true.

>>52470
>lot harder to do so
so, before there were ever guns we had no conflicts, no wars, no deaths at the hands of others because to most it was a lot harder to do so
>bows
>swords
>catapults
>sharp stick
>hard to use

>>52236

this

>>52473
Try killing a room full of 50 people in 3 seconds from the doorway with a knife, sword, or sharp stick.

>>51654
>expects /news/ to be /pol/
>surprised when it isn't an echochamber
You are an SJW, just with a right wing layer of paint.

>>51944
Damn, who ordered the nuke from orbit?
10/10 worth the read

>>52480

In art of ninja, one know secret of kill one hundred hidden man in time it take single coin of silver to hit ground.

>>52480
a chinese man with a knife sure did a pretty bang up job killing 50 in a very short span

it wasn't 3 seconds but the count matches

>>51643
>gun related gun

Suicide is a gun related death

Throwing a ton of numbers together like that strips them of all meaning.

For instance, the civil war alone represented 187,500 deaths per year (going by the chart's idiot estimate). Whereas those gun deaths are 32,273.7 deaths per year. Which sounds like a lot, until you realize the population is ten times higher today than it was in the civil war. So the civil war claimed .6% of the US population per year and gun deaths over 47 years are claiming only .0001% of the US population per year.

Also, if you go by the graph's idiot logic, gun deaths are positively dwarfed by car related fatalities of the last 47 years. If you assume a low average of 46,500 car deaths per year per the last 47 years, you get 2,185,500 car deaths over that period. 44% more than deaths by guns.

>>52480
what mass shooting has ever resulted in a bodycount like that?

The answer is zero

>>52470
You miss the point. The practical purposes that nearly all guns are purchased for and in fact used for are either self-defense, target shooting, or hunting. 310 million guns in civilian hands. 11,000 are used to kill (0.0003%), and most of those are attributable to drug crime for which gun control will do literally nothing whatsoever.
Why does the military have guns? Police? To protect and defend. Why would I want my wife or daughter to be armed? Same reason. When seconds count, police are minutes away.
More importantly, why did American patriots put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights to the Constitution? To provide a bulwark against tyranny and the atrocities that a government can unleash against citizens or "subjects" that it deems a threat. The now-so-enlightened, anti-gun British can be thanked for that, as well as for the 1st, 3rd, and 4th amendments. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, and many more - there are literally dozens of cases just in the last century where governments have disarmed and then killed off their citizens by calling them dissidents. Almost none thought it would happen in their own "enlightened times."
For that matter, the U.S. and its allies, up to and including the Obama administration, has seen wisdom in arming a country's citizens - even with automatic weapons and artillery - against a tyrannical government.
There will be some criminals who break our laws and use guns to kill innocents. Heroin and cocaine are illegal, and yet anyone, anywhere, can get their hands on some in an hour or two if they were motivated to do so. DUI manslaughter is illegal, but what steps do we take to keep an average person from purchasing alcohol? We don't require a background check, we catch and punish them when a crime is committed. Someone could easily kill 50 people with a vehicle in short order - all they have to do is find conditions just like a mass shooter would - lots of targets with little cover and no defenses.

>>52502
When statistics are ALWAYS brought up in these threads, the opposition leaves and stops posting. They value how they feel over solid proof.

>>52497
Excellent point. Anti-gun libs love to exaggerate and make up their own numbers. No semiautomatic weapon, including an AR-15, can fire 50 projectiles in 3 seconds. Period.
But let's ask this, since it's popular to paint "assault weapons" (A stupid term on its face, it's just a semiautomatic rifle, being unfairly associated with an automatic machine gun) as particularly deadly, I'm sure the anti-gun folks would be happy if we just stopped there, right? Like Obama and Hillary say, you crazy gun nuts, we aren't after ALL guns, just the really scary "assault weapons?"
Well, let's see: with a 1911 .45 pistol, available to the public for over 100 years now, I can fire 8 rounds (each more than twice as big as an AR-15's) with the original magazine, drop the mag, and insert a new one all in a few seconds, lather, rinse, repeat. A revolver, around since Colt's 1873 Peacemaker, can fire six rounds, take 10-20 seconds to reload, and fire six more, etc. and thus hit 1-2 dozen targets in a minute without a particularly high degree of skill. In fact, at a medium pace of one trigger pull per second and 15 seconds to drop in 6 new bullets, someone could send 24 bullets downrange in just over a minute. What about Joe Biden's comment that all you need for home defense is a double-barreled shotgun? There you have nine 00 buck lead balls, each bigger than an AR-15 round, headed out with each trigger pull - 18 projectiles in less than 2 seconds. Reloading might take 10 seconds if you're slow about it.
Make no mistake - they want the "big, black, scary" guns now (which aren't substantially different for a mass shooting scenario) because they keep trying to make it sound like a full auto battlefield machine gun - but they will stop at no less than complete disarmament. If bad guys chose sportscars for getaway vehicles, they'd ban sportscars - and define a Honda Civic with a spoiler as a sportscar too. Meanwhile, a Toyota Camry would do the same job, so they accomplish nothing.

>>52510
To be fair, once you start talking about the size of the bullet, you're kinda undermining your own arguments by diving into the same type of emotional appeal as those you're arguing against. As there isn't much correlation between caliber and lethality and the more factors you add to such an equation (skill level, reaction times, recoil, etc) the fuzzier that correlation gets.

The primary issue being how low recoil, high fire rate weapons allow for much lower skill levels to achieve higher lethality. But even still, lone gunmen never seem to achieve very high lethality at all.

>>52510
So the question is, if they don't want to take away "all" guns, what guns are supposedly "safe" from ban and confiscation, and on what basis? You don't get much more old-school, cowboy gun than an 1873 Colt Peacemaker or a double-barreled farmer's shotgun - but the point is those could be just as deadly if used as mass shooters use guns - indiscriminate firing to maximize casualties at close range. If someone were going to fight to defend his homestead from invaders at close and far range, an AR-15 is a versatile choice. Close range only, shotgun is a good defensive weapon (or offensive, in the wrong hands). Carrying concealed or in a vehicle, a revolver or semiauto pistol is the right tool for the job.
Here's the important point, though: for someone bent on killing a bunch of people indiscriminately, in a close range, target-rich, no-return-fire environment like a gun-free zone, it's just a matter of their sick personal preference. ANY firearm more advanced than a muzzleloader will do all the damage they are looking for in the ten minutes or more it takes police to arrive. For that matter, a crude bomb (Boston) or even knives would lead to mass casualties (2014 Kunming knife attack killed 29 and wounded 143). Against unarmed, concentrated groups of people, a single person with a machete could kill dozens in minutes (if you don't believe it, ask a Tutsi.)
There is zero reason to believe that a ban of a group of firearms (black semiautomatic rifles with "tactical" grips and such) that have little real world difference from any other ordinary firearm, will deprive a criminal of a means to commit mass murder. Kids learn target shooting with a basic .22. People who don't understand firearms will want to ban the basic Marlin Model 60 that most kids plink tin cans with when learning gun safety, describing it as "capable of firing 18 shots semiautomatic with a bullet the same diameter as an AR-15 round."

niggers, suicide, legitimate uses of deadly force, population inflation, etc. NEXT!

>>52470
And what of the 300 millions guns already in the US? People seem to forget that this is just legally obtained guns, and doesn't account for illegally imported guns, built guns, or the millions of guns sold after this number was estimated.
The reason there are so many is because we have a right as Americans to own guns. Your slave mind may not be able to comprehend that.

>>52516
I completely agree with you. The "bullet size," or rather bullet diameter, means little in this context; I was trying to make an association with the fact that an AR-15 .223/5.56 round isn't like some sort of anti-aircraft round; anti-gun folks wouldn't know that and think it's devastatingly powerful. In fact, it's been criticized by our own military as underpowered for many anti-personnel applications where they would prefer a 7.62/.308. However, at close range on an unprotected target, assuming shot placement in a vital area, the damage may vary, but the actual outcome from 5.56, 7.62, 00 Buck, or .45 is likely going to be the same, namely, a fatality.
I sometimes wonder: if I were being held at gunpoint, or dodging bullets, what would I hope was on the other end? Hard to say, but I know the shotgun would instill the most fear as even a low-skill shooter would be likely to score a catastrophic hit. If I knew for sure I was going to get hit with one bullet, the .45 might be scariest. Best accuracy would go to the 5.56, but I don't think mass shooters are shooting more than a few yards at any target anyway, so the advantage is lost. Firing rate is almost identical among them all, up to their capacity, but reload time isn't the big factor it's portrayed by those who want to ban "high capacity" magazines.
You do have a good point with the recoil issue, though - low (and well distributed) recoil on some firearms does factor in, assuming multiple shots on the same target, as it makes it much easier for the shooter to stay on target with his victim for follow-up shots.

>>51643
>so why don't people who you vote for represent your interests in the first place? Oh that's right, you're not free.
I vote for those who represent me. Democrats vote for those who represent them. Why is someone from a dictator-lead country trying to suggest I dont know how my country works? On top of that, what is with your obsession with America?
>your lack of knowledge of the population is staggering. 25% of african americans don't have any form of ID in the first place.
What the fuck? We all get drivers licenses, you can go get a regular ID at any time. We all have social security cards from birth. One can get a CCW in most states. There are countless ways to get an ID, that excuse is like saying 'I want a drink but the fridge is 10 feet away!'
>ok so you're just going to ignore the point of competitivity. It's sad that I know your country more than you do. Try to research why Tesla doesn't sell its own cars in most states.
Tesla cant afford to build as many dealerships as other companies. Do you have any clue as to the cost of building, employing, and stocking a dealership? We have a lotus dealership, a smart dealership, a Fiat dealership, all uncommon names here that are doing just as you're suggesting they can't. On top of that, youre well over 1000 miles away from US soil, and are making assumptions about what youve been told is the case. I live in what you sit and argue about on the internet.
>good goy
Please see your own words, just one line below these words. You are by far the most hypocritical, stereotypical foreigner that hates a country you have nothing to do with, no understanding of, and no control over.
>You can literally present no rebutal.
I did. You chose to ignore it because you either didn't like it or couldn't read it.
Ib4
>Hurt durr u so mad lel
This board is for debating and discussing news. You're welcome to respond with a childish reply and admit defeat.

>>52530
Exactly. You should Google the video of Representative Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) about high capacity magazines. She argues, with a straight face, that a ban would be effective over time since magazines are ammunition and they would eventually get used up, and then there would be no more.
Never ceases to amaze me that elected officials or media types who start rambling about gun control have such a near-total misunderstanding of what they're talking about. Can you imagine if they let that fly with sports commentators? "Oh, no, that's clearly the third down. Just look - there are one, two, three, no, four guys all on the same team in that pileup. It's the fourth down."

>>52531
>AR-15
>In fact, it's been criticized by our own military as underpowered
>underpowered
the rounds have single hit stopping power. any shot that hits flesh is most often described as "explosive" even in military reports.
i suppose if you're talking about trying to shoot the driver of a moving car through the side of a car door and a passenger then maybe it's not quite powerful enough to do that in a short burst.
it's not underpowered by any means in a civilian setting. in a civilian setting it is point and click death.

>>51643
31500 / year average

That seems wrong. Isn't it 13k?

>>52554
In 2014, about 16000 were murdered with any type of gun.

This site breaks it down by section, and please also note the difference between the CDCs numbers and the FBIs numbers.gunpolicydawtorg/firearms/region/united-states

>>52535
You should really look into the car dealership thing more. The lack of dealerships isn't a matter of cost, it is flat out illegal in many states for tesla (or any other manufacturer) to sell thier cars directly to the public (which is one of tesla's selling points). There are fucked up laws in place that there HAS to be a middleman to peddle you your new car.

>>52546
No doubt it's more than adequate for lots of situations and it's versatile. I'm not criticizing the 5.56 round. I'm a fan for the same reasons the US military is: low weight, low recoil, versatile round, substantial damage to target. Compare it to 7.62x51, the prior standard for the M14 and various NATO weapons, and it in no way compares with one-shot stop effectiveness. The 5.56 round was developed because of its low weight (user can carry twice as much ammo for the same weight) and low recoil, leading to better control.
But don't take my word for it: Dr. Martin Fackler, the founder and head of the Wound Ballistics Laboratory for the US Army, described 5.56 as highly dependent on yaw and deformation for effectiveness, and that it if it fails to upset because it doesn't pass through enough tissue, (e.g. "only" a limb), then it creates "relatively insignificant" wounds. His words: "As expected, with decreased wounding effects, rapid incapacitation is unlikely: enemy soldiers may continue to pose a threat to friendly forces and violent suspects can remain a danger to law enforcement personnel and the public."
As far as a car door, that tiny amount of steel does little to slow either a 5.56x45 OR a 7.62x51.
My point doesn't contradict yours, however, nor does yours contradict mine. As I wrote before, assuming shot placement in a vital area, outcome = likely fatality. My point is that when described by the media or uninformed individuals, the 5.56 is usually described as "high powered" and in superlative terms that would make you think it's some devastating alien ultra-round. It's a great round, but it's a small caliber, high velocity round; in comparison to other rifle rounds, even standard hunting rounds, its strengths are not in the impact or penetration it delivers to the target. It's around 1250 ft/lb2 energy, less than half that of 7.62x51, 30-06, or 308, or even a 100-year old Russian Mosin 7.62x54.

>>52465
Lol, it's only just in the top ten civil wars by casualties, even the English civil war was bloodier

America srsly needs a gun ban

dont worry im sure old Obama has a trick up his sleeve before he steps down

But Hillary is also for gun control so no worries there,Trump aint gonna win to racist and percentice wise

about fucking time !

>>52577
Are you an American?

>>52578

WHY DOES IT matter

either way if I say american, you will say traitor and if non-american then butthurt fag

>>52579
Just curious.

>>52579
He probably asked because your grammar is deplorable.

>>52579
It matters because you have no reason to butt into our laws.

>>51643
here is a thought. there are approximately 318.9 million people in the USA. That 31,500 people a year just does not register. As a counter point from the years or 1968(to be similar to your info) to 2015 the number of FATAL car crashes were between 54,589-32,675(the number of deaths has sharply dropped off with newer vehicles in more recent years) does that mean we need to ban cars as well for our safety? how about instead of banning guns or making laws stricter, lets improve the areas where these violent actions occur. gang violence wouldn't happen if they didn't have any thing to fight over .

>>52602
haha, I beat you to cars by eight hours! (>>52494

>>52554
It's including suicides and accidents. You take both of those out and the actual statistic is less than half of the current number.

>>52597
Sure he does. Excluding people from conversations about lawmaking and morality does nothing but harm the conversation.

t. american who thinks you're an exclusive cunt

>>51649
>>51645
>>51647
it makes me sad knowing I live in the US and can do nothing about not only the state of gun control but also the impression that I'm a mindless gun-toting goon. I want nothing to do with firearms and wish the US would ban them completely. It's a daily level of disgust that I feel for millions of others that live here.

>>52602
>accidents
>intentional shootings
wew kys

the wildly funny thing is that "innovation" seems to be a strong deterrent for regulation. Yeah man, bandwidth requires so much innovation. we use the same cable and fiber lines that have been in use via infrastructure for years, but it's literally a no-thought to increase bandwidth to individual homes once their "low tier" internet plan eschews the minimum that the company offers; they literally upgrade you for being a cuck and doing nothing while locked into a contract. what does this tell you? do we really need infrastructure innovation?

>>52653
w-whoops wrong thread

>>51643
Looking at that average, I can already tell they are counting suicide and justifiable homicide by gun. Thank fuck the FBI keeps track of homicide statistics and posts them online where anyone can see. Get fucked Jew York Slime.

>>52560
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
Slide it again kike

>>52654
Wrong board

>>52660
>.gov
>.xls
I ain't clicking that shit, nigga

>>52662
It's a webpage, not xls.
2010 8,874
2011 8,653
2012 8,897
2013 8,454
2014 8,124

>>52473
You missed my point completely, its gonna take a lot more to kill someone with a blade/bow/stick than it is to shoot someone.
>>52502
>self-defense
>hunting
>target practise
2/3 of those purposes are killing, the last is practise killing. You don't seem to have a lot of faith in the country you call home if you think everyone should be armed for self defence. The only reason you would need guns for self defence is if the attacker has a gun. Unless you are not confident in your ability to defend yourself without one.
>>52530
>muh rights to kill
Kys.

>>52663
It's still a .gov

>>52676
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

>>52678
Guns make it a lot easier. You fucking faggot Americans need to learn how to read.

>>52692
Remember Boston?

>>52676
>The only reason you would need guns for self defence is if the attacker has a gun. Unless you are not confident in your ability to defend yourself without one.
Ok /r9k/

>>52676
>Unless you are not confident in your ability to defend yourself without one.
*Tips fedora

>>52676
So you personally think that disabled or elderly shouldn't be able to defend themselves? You support rape and assault on women? All people who are much less capable of physically defending themselves on average. The only logical explanation for not wanting a person to be able to defend themselves is that you want to be able to take advantage of them. So who would you target? Elderly abuse or rape? Mugging people or robbing houses? What violent action are you afraid to take while people are physically capable of stopping you?

USA USA USA
ARMY STRONK FEWER CASUALTIES THAN DOMESTIC GUN VIOLENCE

>>52752
Lol. In my country people generally don't need to defend themselves, perhaps because there aren't psychopaths running about the street with guns. Just because I'm against the right to own killing machines does not in any way mean I want to attack the elderly and women alike. What a stupid assumption to make, then again I'm arguing with Americans what did I expect? Perhaps you Americans need to stop breeding generation after generation of psychopathic killers. Perhaps preventing them from accumulating an arsenal would be a good start.

>>52743
You mean where 3 people were killed by bombs? Many more would have been killed if guns were used instead.

If anything you proved his point

>>51643
I got a couple of questions towards this graph:

1) How many gun related deaths stem from suicides?

2) How many gun deaths come from inner city and gang related crimes?

3) How many of the deaths from the graph are from rifles and high powered weaponry against handguns?

>>51643
What are all you limped dicked euro fags gonna do when anyone can print out their own handgun from a computer in less than 10yrs from now?

Guns are used in wars
Terrorism
Military strikes
Etc etc

>>52786
They can do that today

>>52786
im gonna print a gun

>>51654

You can't say it that way when you're communicating with close minded people. You have to beat around the bush by talking about studying the demographics and looking at the most affected communities, etc.

It's absolutely true that a white American with a gun is as safe to be around as a Japanese or a European, and that none of these people would walk through Detroit etc at night or even in broad daylight, but none of them will ever admit that.

>>51799

TBH it costs more money to keep these people alive and a burden on society, cleanup and a funeral are cheap, decades of treatment ends up being money that noone, self, family, friends, employers, government, etc, wants to spend on them. Not to mention that its usually unsuccessful and leads to a pain filled life of misery.

Let them end it if they choose, you should be able to go to a hospital and get a pill, and be cremated or w/e with dignity.

>>52767
Feel free to disclose your country of origin and I'll happily point out some famous psychopathic killers among your countrymen for you.

The mental gymnastics americans perform to convince themselves that a low regulation gun market is a good thing are pretty weird.

Enjoy getting shot up by virgins and closet gays

>>52786

Im not going to shit my pants over it because unlike Americans I don't need an accessory to convince myself I can maintain an erection

>>52649
Easy fix: shoot them

>>52638
No. Non-Americans have no reason to speak for what's right for Americans. Fuck off, 3rd-worlder.

>>52832
First off, your response had nothing to do with what he said.
Second, that's not what it's for. It's for target shooting and protecting my family. If someone breaks in, i shoot them. Plain and simple, yet you eurofags will never understand.

Let me ask you this. What's better, being robbed and having a gun to fend off thieves, or hiding in your closet hoping to not be found?

Because I know what you, who is forced to be disarmed, would do.

>>51643
Most of that shit is gangbanger and cartel (read: nigger and spic) related. A very large amount actually, however we can't know for sure because they process a lot of Hispanics and even some blacks as "Caucasian" to bump up the white crime rate. I would upload a pic if I could, just look up some FBI most wanted lists. It's mostly Hispanics labelled as white male.

>>52830
It's already regulated. Nobody gave a shit in the 80's and 90's when more people were murdered with guns. This is a concerted effort by treasonous cunts and non Americans to make anyone who owns a gun a criminal. The fact that they toss in suicides and justifiable homicide without mentioning it in OP's image is proof of how low they will stoop.

>>52649
You are almost 4 times as likely to die in an automobile accident. It makes me sad morons like you live in the US and get your information from Comedy Central. I am disgusted by you!

>>52860
Well shit anon. 100% of all people ever in history have died.
Now that I have left my factually correct but completely irrelevant statistic I shall insult your intelligence

You are a dumb.

>>51643
The murder rate is lower now than it was in 1968, and that's with more guns than ever.

>>52824
That is besides the point I'm trying to make, but regardless, I'll bite:

Scotland.

>>52998
Scots murdering the English is completely justified and I wouldn't count that

>>51708
suicide is like three quarters of it I think

and they only recently added suicide and accidents from into the gun violence statistics

so guess what. Op's data is completely manipulated

>>52860
Ban all cars. also.. all these prescription medicine overdoses,,
Better ban medicine also
This is their logic

oh shit.. and Electrical accidents,house fires,drowning deaths, etc etc

>>53000
Don't you go braveheart on me.
Also check'd.

>>53002
I had no idea that cars were designed for killing, wounding, or target shooting. Or medicines for that matter. Where do I get a piece of that pie?

>>52824
>>52998
Just to save you time, a quick Google search brought up a list of serial killers by country on Wikipedia. America seems to be the only country on that list with a link to its own page because there are just so many.

Checkmate.

>>51643
>misleading graph is misleading
>In a nation with gangs, mentally unstable, suicides, justified homicide, etc.
>Years since 1968: 48
>Average length of war: 6.25 years
>Equating firearm related deaths with violent firearm deaths
I thought this dumbassery ended at /pol/
I was wrong

>>51643

>1968-2015

This is the stupidest fucking metric I've ever seen. On a long enough timeline, the number of Americans that die from bee stings will outnumber the Americans killed in wars.

On another note, how many Americans have died in automobile accidents from 1968-2015?

>Wow, life is dangerous and people get killed
>/thread

>>53043

I guess that's when gun deaths started to be recorded.
They could've said 1965 and it would make a perfect whole 50 years, making the point even more obvious, but I guess they didn't have any data of before 1968

>>53043
>life is dangerous and people get killed
Yeah you're right, so why exacerbate things by throwing lethal weapons in the mix?

>>51643
does it count suicides?

>>51693
>Posts that will be ignored due to inconvenient facts

>>51809
Wrongo

They reproduce faster than they kill each other. Before they die in a hail of bullets over Nike's they will have replicated 2-5 times or more.

Couple this with the fact that the average black woman is so obese that she will die of heart disease right around the same time she loses fertility, you basically have Zerg.

The monetary toll of death and violence and unintended children only increase.

60% of gun related deaths are suicides. Not murders.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

>>53181
Does that matter? OP and the article never said anything about murders only. Just the total gun deaths.

>>53182
Yes it does.

>>53183
Except it doesn't.

They are still deaths by guns.

>>53184
No they are death with guns, you need people to pull the trigger. Plus the OP implies these are all murders.

>>53185
So you're trying to use semantics to support your claim?

The suicidal person is still pulling the trigger, they're still killing themselves with a gun. The OP in fact can be taken two ways ("is killing themselves" can be taken as killing each other or killing themselves). And the article even says that it is including suicides.

Please shitpost elsewhere.

>>53186
How many of those war deaths were suicides, do you figure? Probably less than 60%. So yeah, it matters.

>>52236
I agree. Why not instead of deportation, we just try our best to resolve the crime and stop it from happening? Like you said, legalizing weed, encouraging minorities to get jobs and stop killing one another.

USA on suicide watch

>>53197
It's not saying war deaths = gun deaths in the US, it's using the war deaths as a comparative figure. They are pointing out that deaths with guns are close to the number of deaths in every war since the country started.

If you wanted to call it into question, then you should ask how population size and density has risen since the revolutionary war. We have way more people now so it's understandable that we have way more deaths. It's still a depressing thought, and something should probably done other than shitposting, but them's the breaks kid.

>>53203
A big part about finding work is the dated methods we have to find it. There are hundreds of job posting sites, but that requires a computer or in some cases a phone. Employment offices usually push out temp employment, which isn't a sustainable method especially if the company is shitty. Honestly a lot of this would be avoided if temps didn't get practically abused. Most companies use temps to avoid health insurance and other benefits afforded to perm employees, which considerably drives down temp morale.

This is not excluding the idea that some companies barely glance at poorer applicants before moving on to someone else. They want dependable workhorses, and that doesn't really work when someone wants a raise due to high costs of living.

>>52029
True. I'd like to see this principle on free speech. 'Cause all adult are still kids. And the government should act according to this. :^)

>>53111
yes and accidents which total to much more than homicides

>>51693
>>53118

The fact we are facing is that firearms have killed more in the US than have died in all major wars. Nothing beyond that.

One kind of idiot says that restrictions on firearms wouldnt cut that number down.

The other kind of idiot says that gun restrictions would save all those suicidal lives.

http://imgur.com/a/DYVep

sources (can't post links for some reason):
Easily found US Demographics charts
FBI Murder by State, Types of Weapons, 2010

>>53260
>http://imgur.com/a/DYVep
Note that this excludes DC as an outlier; the 2010 statistics give DC a homicide rate of ~ 20 / 100000.

This is notably higher than the rest, but since the passing of DC vs Heller (2008), striking down the ban on gun ownership in DC, gun crime and murder has been dropping rapidly.

>>52649
Then gtfo.

Bitch.

>>51643
2/3rds of that number are suicodes. What I do with my own body does not concern you. Fuck off and eat shit. If I want to off myself it's my own choice.

If you are going to compare self-inflicted deaths to ones sustained in warfare you might as well add the 88,000 or so peoppe who die to alcohol each year.

>>52101
See >>53345

Who the fuck are you to tell me if I can or cannot kill myself? Go away tyrannical fuck.

>>51851
You cannot stab 50+ people to death.

>>53362
No, but you can buy a gun everywhere. The law be damned. Gun control only affects law abiding citizens.

>>53362
you literally can actually you stupid fuck, it's happened

>>51643
literally kys

>>53362
You can burn them to death instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Reminder that the deadliest mass murder by a single person was arson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu_subway_fire

Even more kills than the OKC bombing

>>53367
Post examples

>>53362
>>53367
>>53387
In theory you definitely can, in reality not so much. Unless people just lined up and let you stab them.

>>53004
Here lies little Timmy
Thank Fuck it was a Ford and not AR-15
R.I.P.

77% of WHITE gun deaths are suicide.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2015/12/15-guns-race-different-worlds-reeves

"Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of ALL homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years"


blacks always gotta fuck up everything
thanks juden

Why are they such savages? Shitlibs subconsciously acknowledge this by not holding them to the same standard as white.
Heard this black woman Ayaan Hirsi Ali call it "The Racism of Low Expectations"

http://the2x2project.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/firearm-homicide-and-suicide.png

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/images/ns_charts/hr_age-race.gif

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-18-at-11.07.38-AM.png&w=1484

>>53676
some charts for the facts over feelings peoples

"Deaths from mass shootings are a relatively small share of firearm homicides. According to a recent Congressional Research Service report (Congressional Research Service, 2013), 78 public mass shootings occurred in the United States from 1983 through 2012, claiming 547 lives"

The way the media talks about them you'd think the number would be higher......

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/cnn-anchor-shut-down-actual-gun-facts

>>52649
Should we ban bullets? What about 3d printed guns?

>>53734
No.
No.

>>52707
NRA has the money of multiple gun manufacturers tho, where would this antigun lobby ever get the money to challenge that. I have mixed opinions on the issue, but only an idiot wouldn't see that they have a vested interest in keeping guns legal.

We kill ourselves with everything. If I'm just being real here.

really..

>>51643
How many of these are suicides? How many are related to inner city violence?

I'd like to see the figure adjusted for suicides and that data used to make a heat map of gun violence across the country.

>>53744
Also better record keeping and more people (1968-2015) compared to the past.

>>53744
Ive seen the heat maps and it corresponds almost perfectly with how blue the state is.

>>53742
You should kill yourself with everything, if you're just going to shitpost on an imageboard.

>>53822
That's reds offing themselves in blue states. For unknown reasons...

You're assumption is that the killing is a "murder" or unjustifiable death. What you anti-gun nuts always fail to consider is the number who are killed as a result of self-defense. It's the reason most people own guns in the first place.

>>51643
You do know this was over 50 years right?

That tends to heppen in a country filled with black democrats

>1968-2015
What about before that? Why cherrypick those years?

>>53890

Probably because they felt like it would be relevant to start measuring from the start of the first big gun control act since the start of the century:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

>>51643
how big were total armies since 68 in war compared to us ppl

>>51643
funny how you mention "killing themselves," as suicide account for over 900,000 of those deaths.

not that it matters to you. you'll step of the dead and dying to steal from others

>>51643
this isn't news. this was posted over a month ago.

>>51643
How many are gang related?

It's easy to present evidence without context to make a biased point.

>>53916
>being this dense
It doesn't even make a point. It is a d-a-t-a visualization.
>Please note that this post simply visualize the informations contained in Nicholas Kristof’s and Louis Jacobson’s articles (links below), who discuss precisely the nature and consistency of the data (read them before taking this data visualization as a simple pro- or anti-gun campaign).
They are simply showing the the number of war deaths since the founding are somewhat close to the number of non-war firearm related deaths since the 60s.
>Based ona study of the Congressional Research Serviceand reports relating to most recent conflicts, heshows that1,396,733Americanswere killedon the battlefields. Governmentalreportsfrom the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show thatthere have been 1,516,863 gun-related deaths since 1968(included suicides).
>The visualization above is a simple contribution to the understanding of this reality.
Holy fuck, this entire thread is just kneejerking between nuts on both sides.

Isn't the National Guard your militia? Why do citizens have guns? The constitution is like what 2?300 years old

>>53924
Because the citizens have the right to rise against an unjust government

>>53926
I mean in the event of a Civil war the vast majority of the military is going to go home and fight for their families
Plus you know drones exist

>>51655
>>51680
>>52125
>>52427
>>52484

Damn this delusion. You guys ever get out of your white suburb?

>>53926
why don't you then

60% of those gun deaths are suicide. Check the nytimes, they are the source of this metric, and two months later, posted that 60% of these American gun deaths are suicides.

Why is this thread still up? Its been here for weeks.

Someone has pinned this post. Manipulating 4channers with skewed statistics.

>>53942
>i-i don't want to be the only one, I would get killed. S-stupid librul :^)

>>53952
See >>53919 >>53216

Cool tin foil, you buy that at the grocery store with mom?

>>53924
Technically no, and neither is the draft. Both are government controlled at the end of the day. Statewide militias don't really exist, other than the freaks hiding out in the mountains.

>>51643

I don't understand why /pol/ hates gun licenses. If you were required to have a gun license then only middle-class and upper-class people could get guns, and poor people wouldn't be allowed. Society would be safer. Make it difficult to get a license, and only smart people will get that license.

>>51661
>don't be a retard
>don't let any old jerkoff buy a deadly ranged weapon

>>53924
>A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

>the right of the people
>to keep and bear arms
>shall
>not
>be
>infringed

>>54105
>/pol/
>middle-class
>upper-class

pick one

>>52794
This is part of why blacks are still murdering each other at obscene rates. Suicides among middle aged men are straight up ignored

Knock these two out of the park and we'd probably have a gun death rate on par with canada or the netherlands.

>>54105
most of /pol/ are poorfags that live off their government autism bucks.

>>54133
>well regulated
>militia being necessary
>to
>security
>of a
>free
>state

>>52649
>i dont use X
>therefore ban X
Typical authoritarian leftist.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>54219

>i dont use X
>X is responsible for thousands of deaths a year
>therefore ban X

Fixed it for you.

>>54227
Banning guns always results in increase of rapes and robberies. Noone protects you, police is here to investigate crime after it happens, they arent gonna jump out of nowhere when needed. Your self-defense is only your responsibility and therefore banning guns is retarded and mainly dangerous.

Our country has the most lax gun laws in Europe - and guess what - one of the lowest crime rates.

>>54227
Ban alcohol, ladders, pools, cars, doctors, drugs of any kind, and make it mandatory for everyone to wear helmets and tons of bubble rap.

>>51661
>Be American
>Go to school, get shot.
>Go to University, get shot
>Go to cinema, get shot
>Be a NEET faggot living in my parents basement, survive.

Nice selection criteria, mate.

>>51711
Hahaha, truly the most cucked nation on earth.

You're in so deep the NRA could have you mindless drones eating literal shit out of their hands, it's pathetic.

>>54393
>alcohol
>ladders
>pools
>cars
>doctors
>drugs
>guns
Spot the odd one out, faggot.

>>54402
None, they all kill thousands of people, the one that kills the most is doctors.
The one that kills the least is guns.

>>54446
None of the above are designed to kill people, I'll perhaps exclude alcohol and drugs however they are a form of self destruction. Guns have one sole purpose, to kill. All other items on that list have practical purpose, if you remove them from existence then people can't utilise them. Yes they are responsible for deaths but they are regarded us irregular or accidental. Guns on the other hand have no practical purpose other than killing someone. Remove it and almost certainly you are going to experience less death on a daily business.

Ultimately I don't really care, I don't live in America, I live in a civilised 1st world country where people can resolve their differences without resorting to shooting each other.

>>54791
Guns are used to kill animals for food, for competition, and to kill those who wish to harm others.
Guns that are used to kill people in a manner not intended, are either irregular, or an accident.
Or, it's bad people killing other bad people.
It is more shocking and appealing that things that are NOT designed to kill people kill many tens of thousands, in some cases hundreds of thousands (doctors, drugs, and pools) more than something designed to kill people.
You're a moron.
If you remove guns, violent crime and murders go up.
Siren gun deaths go down, but that hardly solves any issue.
Britain became the violent crime Capitol of Europe for Christ sakes.

>The US isn't a civilized 1st world country
You're trying to hide your jealousy, how cute.
The U.S. is so rich we have been hemmoraging wealth for the past 40 years and still better off than the entire Eurozone combined.

>>54797
>>54791
Appaling*
Guns have many practical uses, just like knives, both were originally designed for killing.
They are just another tool, and arguably the most important.
Guns level the playing field between all men and women.
An armed society is a peaceful society, and that's a fact.

>>54797
>>54798
NRA shills detected.
That's funny you know, I leave in a peaceful society that isn't armed to the teath. Your logic is so backwards it actually hurts. Regarding your paranoia for doctors, perhaps you should remove that tin foil hat of yours? Are you really trying to justify your argument by comparing the danger of guns to the danger of seeing your doctor? Or swimming in your local pool? Get real Americans. Next you'll tell me that kinder eggs are more dangerous.

>jealousy
Bitch please, I'd rather live in North Korea than the shithole you call home.

>>54799
You should realize that the vast majority of violent gun crime in the US is done by blacks, which are a tiny fraction of the population. When you figure them out, the US fits in with all other countries quite normally.

Then, since it's normal level stuff, with guns or without, you can see what governments give more rights to its free peoples.

>>54230
The comparison of a Euro country vs USA is fundamentally flawed. The US likely have way higher of a population, are not as homogenous, and probably have a far larger lower class.

>>54812
Yes, blame the lower class black population when you willingly allow them to arm themselves.

>>54827
I'm a Republican, gun owner, and 2nd Amendment supporter. Yes, I willingly allow blacks to arm themselves. They're Americans and have that right, and I wish more would understand it, exercise it, and start to see the foolishness of the Democratic gun-hating left that expects - and is not disappointed - that blacks will vote in hugely consistent blocks based solely on what money the Democrats redistrubute toward them. I'd love to see them just as adamant about protecting their 2nd Amendment rights as many are about protecting the Democrats' most recent promise of a free ride.
The massive gun crime rate attributable to blacks - over 50% of homicides from black males that form 6% of the population - isn't because they're black, it's because those people are drug slinging, gang-banging criminals. Most of those are ALREADY convicted of a crime and prohibited from purchasing or possessing weapons, and so further gun control of the rest of the world doesn't mean a damn thing to them either way.
Yes, "black culture" has adopted a thug culture that implicitly supports and explicitly glorifies gun violence - but the average adult black person with no criminal record who isn't involved in gang banger, dope slinger culture isn't the problem.
Show me a black person who has a legitimate job, no criminal record, and is otherwise a productive citizen and I have absolutely zero qualms about him being armed. I'd be the first to share some ammo and a day at the range swapping guns and tips.

>>54799
Jewish shill detected

How much does jtrig pay?

>>54827
Those blacks are usually using illegal pistols no one is allowing them to do anything

Maybe the stupid Brits and Euros who keep criticizing America's "gun culture" would see it better this way: Imagine your country says they're simply tired of the loss of life due to intoxicated drivers and alcoholism, and so alcohol is banned. After all, the only purpose of alcohol is to reduce a person's judgment and inhibitions, which leads to accidents and crime; it's physically unhealthy to boot, and no one "needs" to drink. Further, in the UK and Europe, possession or use of alcohol isn't some sort of protected right like with firearms in America, so it's really a no-brainer.
Sound stupid? Yeah, well, it happened in America for a few years during Prohibition, because we let that line of reasoning go on for a while too long.
Proper answer: punish people who commit crimes, otherwise shut up and stay out of the business of restricting free individuals in advance of any bad behavior on their part.

>>54836

Thanks for this perspective.
You're focusing on the fact that it's people in a certain facet in society who HAPPEN to be black. Too many people look at the statistics and think "blacks must CAUSE gun violence" instead of taking a step back and looking at the greater scope of things; the environment that kids are brought up in that leads to such behavior.

Sorry for the tangent, but I promise it's related.

I recently was reading Freakenomics by Levitt and Dubner. They open up with the huge crime wave that was being foretold during the 90's.

Again, the "superpredator", as they put it, was the black, poverty stricken teenager with too many guns and too little supervision. However, during the late 90's, crime did the opposite of what people predicted; it fell. It fell and fell to a thirty year low.

The experts who had been previously forecasting a huge spike in crime were now scrambling to explain the seeming phenomenon. Gun control some said. Improved police tactics said others. What Levitt conjectures is that the cause of the fall in crime was something that happened 20 years before:

Roe vs. Wade.

That's right. Abortion was legalized. From 73 till the 90's (when it peaked at around 1.4 million abortions) the rate of abortions shot up. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States). Its good to note that the rate of abortions were going up before 1973 because 5 states legalized it before Roe v Wade. Basically, you had those living in poverty or adverse situations getting abortions. Fewer children growing up in an adverse family environment (single parent, low-income, etc) means fewer people people growing up to become criminals.

>>54880

Interesting, and it makes sense. Hell.

>>54799
you have a much higher chance of dying by a drawing in a pool or by medical malpractice than ever being shot in the United States.
A fear of guns is a phobia, that is, irrational.
You even have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than being killed by a rifle of any type.
Gun control in the United States is also deeply rooted in sublimina racism from upper middle class liberal whites( like yourself) l, and residual racism from the post civil war period.
You wouldn't rather live in North Korea because they would kill you. You're now reacting violently because I pointed out how wealthy and succesful the United States is while you wallo in EUrabia, or fuck Kangaroos in the desert (you're probably an auscuck anyway).
Kinder Eggs are probably just as dangerous as a rifle to small infants.
>>54827
And here is my point about Racism.
>>54880
guns do not increase the crime rate like you imply.

>>51643
1448872 americans have died from automobile accidents since 1980


more americans have been killed while driving their cars since 1980 than all us wars combined

cars are dangerous ban cars

>>54931
>Ban cars
>force everyone to drive APCs
>Fatalities for crashes fall to practically zero
>roads no longer need high upkeep
>states have one less reason to accept slavery grants from the government
win win.

>>54931

cars are designed for transportation, and are essential for modern life.

guns are designed to kill things. some are tools used to kill animals. others are toys used to stroke survivalist murder fantasies in certain people.

I would love to argue some harder facts with you, but since the government has banned any attempt to actually study gun violence, you and I can only toss around stats and estimations drawn up by think tanks and newspapers.

>>54953
There is actually Constitutional, legal recourse for gun-grabbers.

Submit, by way of your elected representatives, an amendment to the US Constitution repealing the 2nd Amendment (or restricting it as you see fit) and lobby 2/3 of the states to ratify it.

Anything beyond that will fall short.

While you're at it, let's curtail freedom of speech and religion since those two things are causing people to get killed too.

>>54855
I see your point, and I am sure the same logic can be applied to a lot of soft drugs, like tobacco and marijuana. These are vices, however. people do them for pleasure. rather than ban gambling, State governments run lotteries and regulate the shit out of casinos. the same is likely to happen to prostitution. people want pleasure, and when you try to keep them from it, they break laws to get it.

I don't think guns are the same thing. you can't buy a flamethrower, but you don't see many people smuggling flamethrowers in from Mexico. you can't buy hand grenades or claymore mines. where is the black market for those items?

People want guns because they are accessories for certain ideologies. fantasies of defending one's home against rampant crime, or defending against the government, or terrorists. some people see these threats as immediate and severe, and the only protection is to kill them. Not a taser, or stronger laws, or something. only killing.

>>54954
freedom of speech and religion have very positive impacts on life, however. our society is better for the ability to state facts that are true, and to seek spiritual guidance wherever we find it.

what is the benefit of an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine?

and, no, the only way is not to repeal the second amendment. its to stop treating the gun industry as a sacred cow and let them submit to the same scrutiny and regulation as every other industry on the country. I am not allowed to drive a car without it being registered. why am I allowed to buy a gun without it being registered?

that's not a rhetorical question. If you have an answer, I would really like one

>>54798
guns also lower the cost for a violent confrontation. Lets assume that once someone decides to start shit, shit will commence. foresight and possible outcomes, be damned. seriously, how many times have you seen someone get drunk and start fights for no reason?

now, introduce a gun. if there were ever any thought that the intended opponent might have buddies backing him up, or 30 pounds more muscle, that thought is completely overruled. anybody can take down anybody. and taking down someone doesn't mean a few broken bones, it can mean death. there is no risk to pulling out your piece and putting a bullet in someone.

>>54957
Ok.

Freedom of speech and religion also have very negative impacts on life, however people are somehow manage to move on. Just ask the 50 dead people in Orlando about the positive impact freedom of religion had upon them. And let's not forget the "positive" impact freedom of speech has had upon us by creating such monsters as the ubiquity of pornography and degeneracy that continues to fuck people up from all walks of life. But I'm sure you think that's just the cost of freedom.

The benefit of an AR-15 with a 30 rd mag is the lethality of the weapon in the hands of law abiding Americans who use it to defend themselves from foreign invasion along the SW US border with Mexico, or the homeowners who use it to deter or defend themselves from home invasion robberies, or the father that uses it to teach his son marksmanship and responsibility. None of those things are subject to individual scrutiny because they are rights afforded to all Americans.

Nobody is treating the gun industry like a "sacred cow". That's a straw man. If you buy a Ford Fiesta, don't register it, drive it illegally and kill someone, you face the consequences, not Ford. Why should any gun maker be subject to liability because of the actions of one of their customers?

>>51654
black people do use violence more often to solve problems, that is because they don't have faith that they will get a fair decision from society. mmm i wonder why they think that way

>>51702
america is the greatest country that ever existed

>>52830
gun violence in america is much less then mexico and brazil both countries have strict gun control.

>>53022
yes we have more documented serial killer then most countries because we are like 20 times larger then most countries.

>>53091
that ship has sailed. lethal weapons exist and nothing will change that

>>53739
most of the NRAs money comes from individual donors unlike anti gun group that are subsidized by a small group of billionaires.

>>54953
>cars are not designed to kill people
>There are 100 million more guns than cars in the US
>cars kill a substantial amount of more people than guns
That's the issue here.
>cars are essential for modern life
So are firearms. You do not deem what is and is not essential.
Police have no duty to respond in the United States, and a response time is never quick enough to prevent a tragedy.
How is a women, with a subcompact pistol, who lives in a low income neighborhood, with a high rate of crime, trying to stroke her survivalist murder fantasy?
Or is she genuinely trying to protect her life like every other person who wishes to protect themselves.
What about the homosexual, who fears of a hate crime against him? Is he stroking his power fantasy? No.
Basically your argument relies on sexism, anti-masculintiy, and delusions of being on a higher moral ground.
>The government banned any attempt to study gun violence
By the CDC (to study diseases).
If you wanted to study gun violence, the results are; the vast majority of gun violence happens in low income neighbourhoods, in states where guns have been heavily restricted, and it's between gangs. So it's bad guys killing other bad guys.
The rest are complete and total outliers that could have been prevented by armed citizens or civil servants.
The rest of the absolute minority are accidents. That is to say unpreventable.

In the United States we have a well defined, God given, right to own firearms, for the protection against all enemies foreign and domestic.
>>54957
>What is the benefit of an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine
It doesn't matter the benefit.
The actual benefit is for whatever the law biding citizen determines it to be.
That is their right.
Why are you attacking a gun, that is used in an absolute minority of crime?
You're more likely to get struck by lightning than get shot by a rifle of ANY type.

>>51643
Don't care, private ownership of firearms is more important then safety.

>>54957
>>54957
>stop treating the gun industry like a sacred cow
When an industry is tied to an inalienable right.
>A well regulated(well maintained) Militia(all able bodied citizens), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You shan't take it away.
on top of that
InCaetano v. Massachusetts(2016), the Supreme Court reiterated its earlier rulings that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that its protection is not limited to "only those weapons useful in warfare".
So that means the NFA and huges amendment are Unconstitutional.
Mind you the second amendment is the ONLY amendment with the specific wording of
>shall
>not
>be
>infringed
so it may not even be possible to repeal it.
>>54955
You can buy flamethrowers and hand gernaids.
They require a tax stamp.
>>54958
That risk is prevalent no matter what you do. If someone pulls a knife, you've got somebody dead or critically injured.
The funny thing is, now you're trying to protect violent drunks and criminals looking for a fight.

I'm looking out for those million+ people who use their firearms to ward away would be attackers, and eliminate the threats to their lives, and their families lives.

>>51643
I don't see a problem.

>>54957
You ask for a serious answer to why we have to register a car but not a gun.
Short answer: ownership and use of one is subject to strict Constitutional protection while the other is not.
Registration isn't where gun control stops, though, and that is a very real fear. First of all, it does nothing in the least to prevent crime. If someone is a convicted felon or has violent misdemeanors, restraining orders, or past commitment to a psychiatric facility, they already are prohibited from possessing a firearm. Secondly, there is an extremely strong correlation between historical gun registration schemes followed immediately by reclassification of what firearms are "acceptable," followed by confiscation once their locations are known. Some US states have repeated this scenario fairly recently, in fact, even demanding that people turn over .22 youth rifles they had registered.
It is clear that the 2nd Amendment was written as a means of ensuring defense against tyranny. An armed citizenry is more difficult for a government to bully and control, and the framers of the Bill of Rights were clear that was exactly how they wanted it. If the government knows exactly where the firearms are, confiscation is easier. Forced registration simply makes criminals of people who don't wish to beg permission to exercise a fundamental right. Tyrannical governments always rely on a disarmed populace. The attempt to try to forcibly disarm even a small percentage of the population at once is a daunting task that makes a government think twice. At least the founders thought so, and if that isn't the case in present day America, then we have already ceded too much power.
Even when Obama wanted to encourage the "Arab Spring" and encourage people to rise up against their governments-which he did on several occasions-America provided weapons to those civilians to great effect, even in the face of entrenched military power.

>>55187
one of the more eloquent arguments I've seen posted on this board. Well done.

>>55158
The article doesn't point out a problem. It's just a data visualization.

>>52649
I think most liberal's and leftist's fear of guns come from the fact that they're simply not well-educated enough on what they are and how they work.

For example, there was a video on Buzzfeed (that I will link on the bottom of my post) where they presented several anti-gun liberals with live firearms and allowed them to shoot weapons for the first time in their entire lives.

At first, they seemed intimidated and cautious, but as the day wore on, they began to feel a lot more comfortable about it than before. Which isn't to say that most of them weren't still against guns; but they were much more enlightened as to what they were and what they meant.

Also, I have to say this, because someone who doesn't own a firearm probably won't catch it, but at 2:16, my heart fucking DROPPED. Like, I don't really know how to explain it, but I got that same feeling in my chest that some people get when they hear tragic news, or when their loved ones get hurt. My chest literally HURT seeing that.

THAT'S the kind of person that wants to take people's guns away. They always talk about how gun owners are violent, insecure douchebags, but they're SO ignorantly dangerous to their own selves, that they no longer have the self awareness needed to recognize when THEY might be in the wrong.

Finger on the trigger, laughing like it's all a big joke; she could have taken that guy's LIFE, and WE'RE considered the irresponsible ones. And I know I tried to come off as (at the very least) civil, but I cannot fucking stand that, at all. That's downright inexcusable.

How can you judge gun owners and lump them all into one category, when YOU YOURSELF embody the worst aspects of the gun culture altogether after holding a shotgun for just 15 minutes?

TL;DR
Liberals are scared of guns because they're their own worst enemy. 99% of gun owners are more responsible than liberals could ever hope to be when it comes to guns. Make that 99.99%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ex2rVOUWs

>>1355866
>>51702
>>51702
>>51702
>>51702

Sure, because everything other nation isn't filled with incompetent retards.

>>55219
People still don't like to talk about the racist background of gun control.

>>55271
Racist background? I'm afraid I'm not well-informed on that matter.

What do you mean by that?

>>55362
He said people don't like to talk about it retard

>>55367
Pls no bully, senor.

>>51753
ITS A BIG SCARY NUMBER GUYS. LOOK HOW BIG IT IS. now go look up accidental deaths by improper medical treatment, or car accidents you fucking cuck. Big country, huge population, lots of deaths on a regular basis. You can't ban all the things just because dipshits get killed by them.

>>55380
So even when numbers show gun violence is rampant in the U.S. you still have to throw a fit and deny it's happening under flimsy excuses? I'm not even a gun-control advocate, but the knee-jerk reaction to basic stats is outstanding, specially regarding mass murders which are very typical in this country but not others.

>>51643

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>51643
>ppl killed in wars were not killed by guns

>>52083
You are. You just need to proof yourself to be able to responsibly handle guns beforehand.

>>55362
>>55368
After the civil war and the freeing of the slaves, black codes focused on banning them from owning firearms.
Later, ever stricter laws, albeit non-targeting laws, that aimed at disabling "inner city low income residents" from owning guns.

In Texas, the absolute ban on open carry of pistols comes directly from a black code.
>>55400
It isn't gun violence that is rampant in the U.S. it's gang violence.
The vast majority of "gun violence" is bad guys killing bad guys.

>>54969
And even in 99% black African countries they have insane level of violence.
It means Western racism is such that even among themselves, thousands of kilometer away from any white judge, they fear unfair treatment.

Or maybe, maybe they're just violent people with low-IQ.

How many of them are black gangsters?

>>55552
Most. Plus, more suicides than whites shooting whites.

Take out black on everybody violence and suicides, and gun deaths in the US are a fraction of what liberals say.

GOD BLESS THE USA

>>55555
did you notice you got dubs?

>>55555
amazing fives ;_;5

>>55555
how patri fucking otic!

>>52041
>>52597
>NON-AMERICANS: FUCK OFF.
Only after america stops telling everyone else what to do and thinking everyone else gives two shits about them and stops doing stupid shit like starting wars with people because they aren't doing what america wants and as a result fucking with every other country.

>>55665
It's good to be the peak gentleman of a well established monarchy.

>>55555
Nice!

>>55400
Gun violence is not "rampant" in the US. If anything, gun crimes have gone DOWN in the past few years since the FBI published a number of reports on the number and nature of domestic crimes.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsnewscom-staff/more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013

http://www.liberty.news/2015-12-09-murder-and-violent-crime-rates-have-been-declining-since-the-90s-as-gun-sales-have-risen.html

>>55472
>Later, ever stricter laws, albeit non-targeting laws, that aimed at disabling "inner city low income residents" from owning guns.
Reagan and the 1967 Mulford act in the People's Republic of California doesn't get enough attention.
It's a perfect example of "omg scurry black people with guns" legislation.