McConnell, in Private, Doubts if Trump Can Save Presidency

>Still, the back-and-forth has been dramatic.

>In a series of tweets this month, Mr. Trump criticized Mr. McConnell publicly, then berated him in a phone call that quickly devolved into a profane shouting match.

>During the call, which Mr. Trump initiated on Aug. 9 from his New Jersey golf club, the president accused Mr. McConnell of bungling the health care issue. He was even more animated about what he intimated was the Senate leader’s refusal to protect him from investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to Republicans briefed on the conversation.

>Mr. McConnell has fumed over Mr. Trump’s regular threats against fellow Republicans and criticism of Senate rules, and questioned Mr. Trump’s understanding of the presidency in a public speech. Mr. McConnell has made sharper comments in private, describing Mr. Trump as entirely unwilling to learn the basics of governing.

>In offhand remarks, Mr. McConnell has expressed a sense of bewilderment about where Mr. Trump’s presidency may be headed, and has mused about whether Mr. Trump will be in a position to lead the Republican Party into next year’s elections and beyond, according to people who have spoken to him directly.

>While maintaining a pose of public reserve, Mr. McConnell expressed horror to advisers last week after Mr. Trump’s comments equating white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., with protesters who rallied against them. Mr. Trump’s most explosive remarks came at a news conference in Manhattan, where he stood beside Ms. Chao. (Ms. Chao, deflecting a question about the tensions between her husband and the president she serves, told reporters, “I stand by my man — both of them.”)

The tea party almost crashed the economy twice when they got voted in back in the Glenn Beck days. Refusing to pass a budget unless it did not raise the debt ceiling.

It would be a fucking calamity for America if we defaulted because then nobody would want to loan money from America anymore, immediately downgrading our economy and causing massive unemployment. What happened to Greece can happen to us. Prey they pass a budget, because out military disbanding due to not getting funded is a real possibility and that's just one aspect of what's at stake.

>McConnelll and RINOs campaign religiously for repeal and replace for six years
>Trump tells the them to send him a bill
>McConnell and Ryan basically create one of the worst pieces of legislation since the Patriot Act
>Trump insults them for it, but says to send it anyway
>Blocked by the few non RINOs left in the party
>Trump tells them to just send a full repeal bill
>McConnell and the rest of the RINOs refuse
>Trump publicly calls them cucks and RINOs
>McConnell gets butthurt and says Drumpt is finished

pride...

inb4 Republicans don't get anything passed and we have another government shutdown

>>170691
>Trump tells the them to send him a bill

i guess it's easy to lay all the blame at the feet of others when you've spent your presidency telling eveyone "work harder!" without contributing anything substantial to legislation beyond tweets and your signature.

The reason republicans can't figure out what to do with the ACA is quite simple; as a pathway to full coverage it's a solid place to start and it's a conservative plan that preserves the profit incentive.

>>170694
Shutting it down is a good thing.

>>170703
when you have rino cucks who block everything it is a problem.

>>170703

The president can't really do anything with the bill itself. Obama didn't write the ACA.

You're completely correct, they gutted Obamacare, but left all the corporate rimjobs in it without addressing any of the stuff people want, like individual HSAs, addressing pharmaceutical lobbying, and the host of reasons that healthcare costs are exponentially higher than they should be.

All McConnell and Ryan did was defund the current ACA, but left all the other stuff in it, which would have been a nuke to the Republican party and Trump's second term, when the thing collapses on itself

>>170708
>everyone who disagrees with me is is a cuck why can't they see that >:(
this mindset is literally the only reason trump is president

>>170707
I guess you would think that if you're a moron.

>>170716

Half the country needs to stop being cucks then

>>170712
>which would have been a nuke to the Republican party and Trump's second term, when the thing collapses on itself

I keep hearing this but people reeeeaally underestimate the GOP of the ability to blame the Democrats on EVERYTHING.

>well the Democrats should've stopped us!

Guaranteed talking point if the AHCA had passed in its current form. A third of the country would've bought it too.

>>170731
The democrats aren't in power right now.

>>170732
And yet Trump complains everyday about their obstructionism, never mind the man's party controls all three branches. And people still fucking buy it.

>>170736

He's trying his best to hold back on the Republicans.

He has already shamed Ryan and McConnell

He also said he was going to campaign against a lot of incumbents next year, why is where a lot of the GOP butthurt is coming from

He's trying really hard to unify with them, but I expect him to start blasting them if more legislation keeps getting blocked

>>170737
>He also said he was going to campaign against a lot of incumbents next year, why is where a lot of the GOP butthurt is coming from
I'd like to actually see if something like this works, but I'm assuming he's just going to support them being primaried from the right?

>>170712
What Obama did to get Obamacare passed and what Trump did to get the repeal passed were completely different. Obama was holding town halls and gave speeches and was constantly talking about the merits of the legislation, he was heavily involved in whipping the votes. He didn't just sit there and tweet like Trump did.

>>170739

Trump knows Trumpcare was shit

Obama didn't completely know how shit Obamacare was

The GOP is also more like multiple factions in one party, whereas the Democrats act as one, even if they completely disagree with it (Shillery nomination)

Trump also knows he's never going to get the butthurt Republicans to ever support him, so it's wasted energy.

>>170739
Holy shit, I forgot about that in 2009-2010. The bar has been lowered so much. He was a decent human being about it too. It's just bizarre to see how people think antagonizing and insulting political opponents is "based" or "alpha", and that Obama is a "pussy" for showing some degree of civility and restraint.

>McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao
Who would marry that turtle? Someone who REEEEEEEEEALLY likes turtles?

>>170732

I know. It's still what they would do.

I mean Mitch literally filibustered his own proposal because the Dems were behind it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/06/dem-unity-forces-mcconnell-to-filibuster-his-own-proposal/

Then take the bill letting families sue Saudi Arabia.

>bill passes
>Obama vetoes it and explains why in 3 concise bullet points
>bill is overridden
>Mitch realizes it's bad
>blames Obama for letting them override it

One of the most partisan people in America. Honestly responsible for the festering political rot that we see now.

>>170749
Asian women will marry white men even if said white guy was a psycho/sociopath. White husbands are a status symbol to them.

>>170757
Good point.

Main problem with trump is his lack of leadership. I think a lot of voters expected ALPHANESS or just plain leadership when we saw his fired up rallys. Turns out he's just an old man who tweets and still does rallys to make himself feel better.

Allahu Akbar!
The U.S. must take Monroe Doctrine now.
The U.S. must withdraw American Forces from all Foreign Countries now.
Stop America's doing its all wars now!

I love American99% and the U.S.

China, Germany and Japan must loosen Germany's, Japan's and China's monetary policies now!
China, Germany and Japan must stimulate Germany's, Japan's and China's domestic demands now!
Japan and Germany must issue a lot of construction bond now!
Japan and Germany must reduce Germany's, Japan's and China's taxes now!
The U.S. must tighten its monetary policy now!
As a result, Dollar value will rise!
The U.S. will have trade surplus!

Japan, Germany and China are evil empires.
Islamists' true enemies are Japan, Germany, China, FRB, top1%, Wall Street, American Military Industry and DOD!
Japan is the country which has been promoting Globalization!!!
Allahu Akbar!

>>170759

I think he's not passionate about healthcare. He should've let Pence take the lead with manuvering Congress with a new healthcare.

I think Trump will play a bigger role with tax reform and infrastructure.

But you're not wrong. Trump from the campaign and Trump in the office seem kinda different.

Trump today really looks different than the before Trump. He looks so much older and stressed now.

>>170772

One thing you can tell is that he hates sending troops into foreign conflicts. Now after his Afghanistan announcement, he's now responsible for it.

>>170772
That's just about every president, anon. Check out pics of presidents (after they stopped wearing wigs, of course). Quite a few of them went from looking hale, whole, and non-white-haired directly to full-on elderly. Stress of the job, and all.

>>170774

Yeah, but Trump looks like it's already been 8 years for him way too quickly.

>>170778
And that's just after 7.5 months on the job. He might just be dry bones by the end of his term. Like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
>"He chose... unwisely."

>>170766

He's not passionate about anything. Anybody thinking he is truly invested in policy and legislation is kidding themselves. He thought his campaign was going to be through by October 2015. He thought being president would be easier than his old job where he put his names on buildings that other people built and managed to put casinos in the red.

On the campaign he could scream and throw temper tantrums and the rest of the kids at the daycare would be emboldened by it. It's the reason he has rally's during his presidency, it's the only thing he's good at. The second he gets in a room with policy pundits and legislators he becomes the little kid that is intellectually sodomized. He's put in his place.

>>170766
Probably because the campaign trail requires the skill of a glorified hype man. Once one gets into office and has responsibilities and expectations, the chaff folds quickly.
Dude basically made his career off of hyping up stupid investors, not sure why people expected something different.

>>170783
>>170785

What does it say that he identified what was happening with the middle class that no one else saw and was able to propel himself into the WH?

>He thought being president would be easier than his old job where he put his names on buildings that other people built and managed to put casinos in the red.

I doubt that fully. He's been mulling running since the 80s.

>>170757
Chinks are subhumans who only care about money, of course she'd find herself a politician.

>>170787
I'd say everyone saw it, the difference is that nobody cared. Trump managed to make a lot of people care by making poor white folk feel deserving of middle class status.

>>170731
>Hi, I'm ______, your friendly Republican senator. I know that the legislation we signed into law raised premiums for everyone, especially the sick and the poor, but you should still reelect me! You see, the reason that your premiums are higher is that the Democrats did not stop us from making legislation that pulled lots of funding from the country's healthcare to finance tax cuts from the rich. So vote for me so that the Democrats won't keep not stopping us from creating shitty legislation!

>>170787
It says that he was manipulative and took advantage of desperate rust belt people who believed his vague "quick fix" policies.

I know he's been mulling being President for awhile, that doesn't mean he had any idea how difficult it was.

>>170751
Can you blame him though?
Boehner was crucified in the house when he tried to work with Obama. The far-right wing of the party is much more militant than the moderates, considering how unhappy many of the freedom caucus were even with the massive gutting of medicaid.

I am no Mitch McConnel fan, but I lay the ultimate blame for this blind partisan shit at the feet of cable news. Fox News has turned millions of baby boomers into crazy zealots for its definition of conservatism. They were the ones who elected the tea party nuts into office, and they're the ones giving McConnel no room to maneuver.
That's not to say that MSNBC is any better though. I doubt any regular watcher is any more willing to compromise their opinions than someone watching Fox.

>>170794
>I know he's been mulling being President for awhile, that doesn't mean he had any idea how difficult it was.

I think he might've in the past and now has lost it due to old age. Look at his 80s/90s interviews. He used to be more coherent and even not as narcisstic.

>>170796
He was more liberal back then, right?

>>170787
I think it just comes down to messaging. Trump was brash enough to say politically incorrect things that were in line with how a lot of conservatives feel. No sane politician would be caught using the word "Mexican" and "rapist" in the same sentence, but I think those that favor stronger borders genuinely believe that the people sneaking across the border are people that no country wants to allow in.
After several decades of political disillusionment (middle and lower class wages haven't been growing since the early 80s, HW Bush was mediocre, Clinton was a perv, Bush was an idiot, Obama's first term was expensive, his second largely ineffective) who seems more likely to bring actual change, the person so tied to the establishment they lived in the white house 8 years, or the person who speaks without the layer of political BS?

The Democrats have recognized their economic messaging is shit and they've been trying to change it. Hopefully that means that they'll enact actual positive change like giving collective bargaining back its strength rather than artificially jacking up minimum wages, but I doubt it. Likely they'll storm back into control of congress and the presidency only to have a mediocre positive effect on the country to lose out to the Republicans again. The Republicans will then shit all over themselves like they did with HW, Jr, and Trump, and then the Democrats will seize control to do the same thing. And then we all die because the country didn't get its shit together in time to find out how to avert global warming.

>>170800
This is pretty much my line of thinking. The challenge is getting through it every 4 years because I convince myself there's a possibility of light at the end of the tunnel, even though I know we've already passed the point we could've done something and now we're just doubling down and making it worse. The most frustrating thing is when someone like Bernie comes along who says the shit you want to hear and he gets railroaded for this fucking formula they keep pushing.

>>170800
>>170802

Why does the Republican party have such have trouble being a governing party? All they seem to be good at is opposition.

>>170797
I'm not sure he's ever had strong convictions either way. He was probably the same then as he is now, simply saying whatever people respond positively to in order to fuel his narcissism. We just didn't quite notice it as much back then because he wasn't potus and nobody really gave a shit what he did or said.

>>171216
Made up of many factions that basically can only all agree on one thing: fuck Democrats.

>>171216
They're able to stay on point for campaigns because they just bullshit. Everything's going to be great, things will be cheaper, and you won't pay any taxes on it either.

And then they actually have to pass laws and running a country fucking costs money. It's the reason red states for the most part run massive deficits.

Also house Republicans and Senate Republicans are currently fighting a civil war between themselves over policy

>>171216
Republicans are a confederacy of shit heads. They spent the last 8 years trying to hamstring Obama to the point where they forgot how to govern and compromise and burned up any goodwill they had with the Dems.

There's also the crazies like the "Freedom Caucus" that drowns out the more moderate voices in the party that could actually get shit done.

>>171216
Remember, Republicans nowadays are the "starve the beast" party. They WANT federal government to suck, even if they have to do it themselves. You wonder why Trump still looks so smug in public? 'Cause he knows he's crashing the federal plane with no survivors, no matter how much of the public he hurts in the process. And the radical wing of the Republican party (which is most of the party these days) is helping him. All in the name of >muh states' rights; they're literally trying to recreate the confederate government structure and rules WITHIN the US Federal Government.

captcha: bible lamber

>>171242
>There's also the crazies like the "Freedom Caucus" that drowns out the more moderate voices in the party that could actually get shit done.

I think that's true and is a part where Trump fucked up. He himself is a moderate but listened to Bannon during the first seven months and burned all his goodwill and political capital.

Friendly reminder that blue areas of the country generate by far the vast majority of the nation's economic wealth. Blue infrastructure, subsidizing critical industries that will bloom in the future (think silicon valley), and social safety nets produce vastly greater amounts of economic wealth than red shitholes like Alabama.

Even "fake" red areas like suburbs are only there because of a blue urban core.

>>170751
>its true

>It appears there may be some unintended ramifications of that and I do think it's worth further discussing," he said. "But it's certainly is not something that was going to be fixed this week."
>"That was a good example of the failure to communicate early about a piece of legislation that was obviously very popular," McConnell said.

My sides. How the fuck do you miss something any 11 year old could see happening? Almost feel bad for Trump now if this is what he has to work with.

>>172298

Yeah that's why all you fucking liberals are moving to the south and Midwest for jobs kek. How many paid shills are here? It's so obvious given the slant of this board

>>172391
The correct term for people coming to your red states are "retired". Your underdeveloped state is a prime retirement setting. And you keep cashing the checks, Cleetus.

>>172391
>the slant of this board
is pretty fucking conservative really

>>172409

They've pretty much ruined Texas by all the liberals moving there for work. I know you're paid to act like a cunt but at least try and get your facts straight

>>172422
Texan cities were blue before californians started moving to them.

Speak for yourself. The only thing that's changed about Texas is fracking.

>>172409
No those are businesses.

People with jobs and money are leaving the niggerhole states.

>>172421
No the same five butthurt liberals spam the same nonsense over and over again.

>>172298
Republicans create the most wealth. We are the 53% of people in this country That pay taxes. Trump won a majority of tax payers.

>>172298
You've cut and pasted that nonsense before. You've also been debunked time and time again. Look who owns the wealth and who pays the most taxes. Hint it's not the left.

>>170746
And it all turned out to be a massive lie

>>170757
Everyone suffers from white envy

>>170688
The tea party saved this country from economic ruin.

>>170720
Left cucks who suck off the government teet .

>>172524
I know the complexities of government may be difficult to grasp because you just finished your first course in high school civics and think libertarians are great, but our government is currently far too bloated and far reaching for government shutdowns to be a good thing. Before people start using government shutdowns as a political tool, our government should be reduced to a more safe level. Alternatively, our elected officials could act like adults and do their fucking jobs, but children like you egg them on to do this kind of nonsense.

>>172523
The tea party didn't do shit but stick it's thumb up it's own ass.

>>170766
>>170785

Condoleezza rice said one of the most frustrating things for every president is being told you're the most powerful man on the planet, and then getting into office and realizing that you can't actually do jack shit without congress

The Democrats are naturally going to be against him, but having the RINOs against him to means that there's nothing he can do at this point.

My only wish is that he would hold his promise of actively campaigning against the RINOs next year. The butthurt from that would be worth the price of admission