Trump says both sides to blame amid Charlottesville backlash

Worst president ever

>Are we going to take down statues to George Washington?
Yes we will. There is simply no place for slave owners and their statues in our society, or in our history.
NO TRUMP! NO KKK! NO FASCIST USA!

>>168710
Hey this is a good point. Why would we glorify slave owners.

>>168710
>>168712
I wonder what would happen if someone were to blow up mount Rushmore using this as their reasoning. Would they be praised by the left or vilified?

>>168710
https://www.siessfires.com/home/2017/8/15/sins-of-our-fathers

>So why does Lee have slavery hang over his head more than Jefferson or Washington? In short, it is because that Lee's participation in slavery involved an attempt to break up the country, while Jefferson and Washington's participation involved the creation of the country. The 1772 case of Somerset v Stewart made slavery illegal in Britain, and concern that this would lead to the abolition of slavery in its colonies encouraged the Southern colonies to join the revolution - colonies that Jefferson and Washington hailed from.

>Furthermore, there is the matter of historical timing. Slavery has been an intrinsic specter haunting humanity since its genesis, as much as rape and murder have been. Slavery was a vital aspect of economies for thousands of years, and though there was doubtlessly some people throughout it all who hated that slavery existed, there would be nothing approaching a global abolition of the slave trade until the Enlightenment worked humanism into European thought. This global abolition did not happen at once - though Britain would make slavery illegal in its home islands in 1772, it would only officially abolish slavery in its empire (with exemptions) in 1833. France abolished slavery in the empire in 1794, reintroduced it in 1804, then abolished it again in 1848. The Russian abolition of serfdom did not happen until 1861. Mauritania was the last country to make slavery illegal, in 1981. Despite this it is estimated that between 10% and 20% of Mauritania remains enslaved, and terrible civil rights abuse of Tibetan and South Asian workers in the Arabian peninsula doubtlessly qualify as modern slavery. There is also the matter of sex trafficking - a truly global institution of slavery that might never go away.

Are you trying to relate Rushmore to Confederate statues white supremacists are cheering around? What the actual fuck. Lefty, righty who the hell cares what political party you like. White supremacists do not belong here. Silence is over, we are sick of it, and we will stop it.

>>168713
You know the answer you Trump supporting asshole. ALL white males will be erased from history.
They have committed so much crime and evil they must be punished not glorified with statues. They will be replaced with people that didn't commit fascism, slavery and colonialism.

>>168715
Exactly right. A big red line was crossed. Even republican Trump supporters like McCain, Ryan and Romney are seeing Trump for what he is and calling for his removal.
Trump will be impeached very soon.

>>168717
>Trump supporters
>McCain
ConfusedAnimeGirl.jpg

>>168717
Awesome, glad to see Republicans fighting back. It's dope that people are on the streets, it's been too much and now it's bubbling over. Ty for telling me about Romney, I had no idea he said anything.

Seriously fuck 45.

It's incredible how he just cannot get this correct.

Seriously, for a man that lies constantly, you would think he would have this in the bag.

>tfw just like with the Access Hollywood tape this too will fade away in a week without any lasting consequences.

But he's right? Ever since the election, hell long before the election, the left has been the aggressor in 99% (hyperbole guys) of the cases and the perpetrators were if not celebrated at least excused or downplayed. Now that the right has upped the ante and overreacted drastically the left again tries to appear like little innocent angels. This attack didn't come out of nowhere, the conflict, hate and resentment has been fueled by both sides for a long time. Suddenly pretending like only one side is simply disingenuous. In this particular incident, yes the rigth is to blame, but effect doesn't happen without cause.

He's not as tall as he claims. Less than 6' for sure.

>>168734
shut up you nazi

>>168747
He's right(No. 168734).But for you to call him a Nazi shows you're an idiot.You probably don't even know what those two words mean(Nazi).

>>168751
your sarcasm detector is broken

yes it's weird how scalise wasn't shot by a racial but some guys with tiki torches saying they want a future is

This entire argument is completely missing the point. Nobody should be treating down Confederate statutes because they were slave owners. They should be torn down because the Confederacy was another State that went to war with us, Americans.

This is not a matter of Republican and Democrat, the confederates LITERALLY were not Americans. Washington was an American who led the fight for our independence. Lee was a general who fought to destroy America and replace it with the confederacy.
I don't see anyone arguing to fly the English flag anywhere.

>>168760
It's a classic Trump move to shift the conversation to something dumb and off the point. You'll also notice he talked in generalizations about violence on both sides, this allowed him to downplay the vehicular homicide, and raise up the threat of the 'alt-left.' Even if he was right, this way of conveying it so vaguely makes it fall into the realm of pure disinformation, a confusing garble of talking points for any internet mob to latch onto and avoid actually discussing the events that transpired and parse what they might mean. It's an oratory flashbang disorienting the whole conversation, effectively halting it in it's track, if not leading it further off the rails.

>>168760
Except you're wrong.
The left is already coming for Teddy Roosevelt. Another racist that must be destroyed.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19741/leftist-activists-demand-new-york-museum-take-down-michael-qazvini#exit-modal

>>168760
You're looking at this the wrong way. Yes, the confederacy was a rival nation that we went to war with. But they were also our former countrymen and in many cases, friends and family. It is hard to escape the feel that whether a person wore blue or grey on the battlefield, they still fought as an American to preserve their country and way of life. Sure they may have been misled, but they were our countrymen and that is what matters most.

The statues, the flags, and the chants are not to honor the confederacy, but the men who fought and died for it. The men who took a stand for what they felt was right. The men who only wanted what they thought was best for their families. And no matter how misguided they may have been, they truly did embody the American spirit, as did their opponents to the North.

>>168760
They were called rebels because they were rebel Americans. The confederacy was never recognized as a country by any outside power. That's one of the reasons it was so successfully crushed. Nobody every called the confederacy a country but themselves. Imagine the American Revolution without the recognition and intervention of the French. They were Americans before the war, during the war and after the war. That was Lincoln's whole ideological basis for making war in the first place, and he said as much. Otherwise it wasn't a civil war, but an invasion. And boy were the Confederate's screaming that in '61. It was their entire narrative they pushed the whole war.

It's a shame to see Bobby Lee so slandered these days too. Everyone admired and respected him before and after. He was the guy that pushed for freeing blacks and having black soldiers in the south even before Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation in '63. There's a reason why there's so much stuff dedicated to him and not to the others like Jefferson Davis outside their home areas. He was somebody safe, honorable, never got into that bad shit like Longstreet. People can hate the Confederacy all they want but calling him a racist and all that other trash is just sad. It shows they don't know history.

Actually, in this shitty kind of time, everybody should look at all the things Lincoln had to say about the country and all Americans. He made hard decisions, but always the country was foremost in his mind and to treat everyone as fellow Americans. There's a reason when he was assassinated there was the famous article quote even from his former enemies "The South has lost its greatest friend."

>>168760
those are memorials honoring the dead. if you don't like it i'm defacing your mother's tombstone

>>168770
They were promised freedom in the revolutionary war, too.

Didn't really get it.

>>168751
Nazi is a portmanteau, it's one word, stop trying to sound smart while responding to blatant bait you sperg.

I completely agree with Trump. There is nobody free from blame in this shitfest.

>>168776
freedom if you fought

>>168716
Can't tell if troll or real

>Famous historic people are more complex than a black and white worldview

Who knew?

I mean... He has a point. The White Nationalists may have been the ones to kick things off THIS time, but we've all seen the brawls, rioting, and bike-locking. This didn't come out of nowhere for the right.

>>168767
Is this bait?

80% of those statues were put up around the 1920s with the explicit intent to counter the first signs of the civil rights movement. That's when racists developed the narrative of "Southern Pride" to convince brainlets that this is about cultural heritage as opposed to glorification of traitors. The same red herring appears again when our brainlet president regurgitates and magnifies the Nazi talking point of "historical preservation" when they really are rallying around traitors that fought for a hyper oppressive regime (to overthrow America). He is basically going down the checklist of Nazi talking points.

Also, I thought he was a family man. So, why is he just standing there defending Nazis that want to gas his son-in-law, his daughter, and his grand kids?

>>168819
ah yes. the famous general lee statues from the 1920.

>>168818
>Guys the Nazis were instigated by lefties.

It's crazy that you're trying to draw parallels between Nazis and those protesting against Nazis.

>>168717
>Trump will be impeached very soon.
I've heard that one a couple times before.

>>168705
>comparing Robert e. Lee to George Washington.

He got a point: https://nyupress.org/books/9781479893409/

>>168710
The founding fathers didn't succeed from the union and fight a war over slaves

And yes no matter what mental gymnastics you do at the end of the day it was about slaves

Also they lost get over it

>>168824
They weren't "protesting" the pseudo-nazis, they were there to start shit with them. If the antifa loonies hadn't have been there, the pseudo-nazis would have walked around for a couple hours and then gone home, and their rally would have immediately faded into irrelevance.

>>168715
Mt. Rushmore was made specifically to demoralize the natives in the area. It was explicitly a military tactic

how dare he not overgeneralize a large group with varying political ideologies and reasons for being there because of a few retarded extremists
how dare he point out the extremists on both sides as being at fault

>>168717
10/10

>>168734
In alot of these cases the "right" goes to places they know will meet them with hostility. When said hostility happens they play up the victim card like they were a rape victim. It's the only way they can get media coverage for there shitty movements or crazed agenda.

>>168705
Clearly neo nazis who ram their cars into groups of people are just as bad as people who don't like neo nazis.

>>168767
Holy fuck this is retarded. The confederates fought AGAINST the Americans, not as Americans. The way of life they were fighting to protect was a way of life where a small number of wealthy elites profited off of the enslavement of others.

Cant find a source for this but how much property damage was there before blm or antifa arrived? Any assaults before they arrived? Genuinely curious about the timing of "state of emergency" being declared on this permit holding, peaceably assembled group

>>168847
so, it wasn't really a civil war?

>shills ITT pretending that antifa weren't exactly as violent

>>168851

You're wrong

The alt left just left a baseball game. That's why so many of them showed up with bats

They were also having a brick laying contest on that same street

>>168851
>>168852
These nazis literally came into a liberal college town community and started chanting nazi slogans. That is essentially terrorizing a community. They were completely justified in defending their community from a bunch of nazis.

>>168843
>right goes to a city to have a gathering
>attacked by lefties because lefties are full of peace and tolerance

>the right caused this by gathering in places they aren't wanted... like anywhere i guess lul

obviously the right is at fault here for existing

>>168851
How many people did antifa kill in Charlottesville?

>>168705
> equating the white supremacists on one side with the "alt-left" on the other side

Which is totally accurate.

> his first vague statement on the violence, blaming the conflicts on "many sides."

There is noting vague about; both sides are to blame and from what I’ve heard, it was the Soros funded ANTIFA jihadists who started the violence.

>>168855
thats pretty much how it is,

you can go on about how much you hate the right, how evil they are, everything up till serious threats or crimes is AOK. at worst you get a slap on the wrist if you say too much.

but you criticize or discuss anything the left considers sacred or taboo,
and youll end up losing your job, and constantly get attacked by "tolerant" leftists.
this doesnt apply as much to the US, but if youre unlucky you get fined or locked up for hate speech.

>liberals openly call for white genocide daily
>surrprised when they create their own isis
>same people that say if you are mean to muslims, they will turn into terroists

>>168843
>In alot of these cases the "right" goes to places they know will meet them with hostility.

Which in no way excuses the violence that was STARTED by the Leftists.

The protestors had a permit for the rally and had every right as Americans to be there, it was the Left (as always) who initiated the physical attacks.

>>168861
The left had permits as well,
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right

Where is your proof that the left started the violence? Other than the word of the president, who once again was proven wrong within 24 hours of making a statement. Maybe he should've waited a little longer to get all the facts...

White people can commit racially motivated crimes. You can refuse to call them hate crimes, there's certainly an argument for that, but they can and they do. The idea that we should softshoe around the issue lest all white people be persecuted is an attempt by white supremacy groups to scare people into supporting them, because they know TERROR WORKS. Have faith in your fellow man, and recognize that while there may have been honest people who had non-violent reasons for wanting the statue to stay, they are being used by the white supremacists as a shield to avoid further scrutiny, and place it upon their enemies. I don't know, maybe we're all to blame for getting so wrapped up in drama, and making excuses for ourselves that the only way we can affect change is by joining a mob, or arguing over the internet. There's gotta be another way.

>>168870
>lest all white people be persecuted is an attempt by white supremacy groups to scare people into supporting them
blame the left for attacking all white people because of a few retards

>>168873
>all white people
are you SURE it isn't just white people who commit racially motivated crimes? And by the left, do you mean annoying college kids who will grow out of it or be disregarded?

>>168852
Well yeah the Nazi were coming back from a BBQ/ war games. That's why they had assault rifles and torches. It's all just a complete misunderstanding between nazis and locals.

>Seriously they ran over a white woman. what's wrong with you

>>168843
yea, they were just ASKING FOR IT
look at what he was wearing...

>>168716
This isn't /pol/, you don't need to pretend to be this retarded for your (You)s

>>168854

Nazis don't exist anymore, anon.

None of them were nazis and then making nazi salutes and chanting doesn't make them Nazis.

They also had a permit to be there that the ACLU helped them get

>>168883

One person who has yet to be charged or convicted does not make the entire group violent. Isn't this the mantra we heard over and over during the BLM riots and protests?

>>168887
>Nazis don't exist anymore, anon.

>None of them were nazis and then making nazi salutes and chanting doesn't make them Nazis.

>They also had a permit to be there that the ACLU helped them get

So it was okay for them to drive their cars at anti-nazi protesters. And the swastikas etc were ironic?

>>168893

You clearly either don't understand or you're intentionally being politically biased.

>So it was okay for them to drive their cars at anti-nazi protesters.

Is this a joke? Do you think it's okay to run people over that disagree with you? That's nigger behavior, regardless of the ideology.

>And the swastikas etc were ironic?

Obviously

Both the alt right and alt left are only doing this to provoke the others. Both sides came to this expecting to instigate conflict

>>168894

>You clearly either don't understand or you're intentionally being politically biased

Thread's tl;dr so maybe I misunderstood. But mny only bias in this thread is against bullshit.

>Is this a joke?

You clearly either don't understand or you're intentionally being politically biased.

STOP IT WITH THE DOUBLE LINE REDDIT SPACING YOU FUCKING RETARDS
IT RUINS EVERYTHING

>>168898

I thought we were having a discussion, but you're just shilling alt left propaganda

Mb

>>168861
Honestly if your logic is to go somewhere to intentionally start shit like this you have no right to claim muh rights, muh freedom of speech, muh feelings

>>168849
No.

It's a failed counter revolutionary war to conquer the union for the sake of the slave industry.

Does the American left have a single issue that doesn't involve calling everyone a racist bigot islamaphobe?

Have they completely abandoned economic and foreign issues?

>>168920
All white people are evil and must die is now their only message nothing else.
That's their entire platform now.

>>168920
It's their argument to everything.

Don't blame them, blame their years of brainwashing liberal education and cultural marxism inspired dogma.

"Their is a historical aspect of this thing that is bad according to today's moral standards, so we need to completely do away with it". You'll see this over and over. To Trump's comment, the left will definitely start dismantling our historical monuments including the founding fathers.

Civil war is the answer, and the left will lose.

>>168921
>>168922

This is Sweden tier politics

It still amazes me that white people so enthusiastically vote against their own self interest for a party that hates them

A unified white vote ends this nightmare in one election cycle

>>168924
I don't give a shit about white liberals. They can go fuck themselves.

I don't care about skin color as long as you're not a piss ass commie cuck

>>168863
>Where is your proof that the left started the violence?

The Nazi-Klansmen were way outnumbered and the counter protestors were there specifically to start shit with them, which is ANTIFA’s stated purpose.

The fact that the Mainstream Media has assiduously avoided assigning blame only proves it.

>>168902

So the Nazis started the brawl?

Then surely you can cite an article backing this up, right?

>>168954
no point in giving a /pol/yp like you any sources since it's all "fake news" anyway

>>168922
>Civil war is the answer, and the left will lose.

WARNING! 4CHAN EDGELORD ALERT! 15 YEAR OLD ALERT!

>>168859
>this doesnt apply as much to the US, but if youre unlucky you get fined or locked up for hate speech.

It doesn't apply at ALL in the US. Hate speech is protected here so long as it doesn't incite physical violence or infringe on others' free speech.

>>168924

This is usually a sign you spend way too much time on pol or FOX news if you're older than 45.

>>168960

Says the shill

>>168766
>Be black
>Teddy is fav president

Can we run these cuckle fucks over too?

>>168953
>proves it
Except not really though because that's all circumstantial evidence at best. I'm not saying the Nazi's necessarily started it, that's the point of a mob event, it's hard to tell these things. But the decision to escalate the situation to vehicular manslaughter was made by one of the white supremacists, that is apparent.

>>168847
The historical treatment of them is not consistent with your claims. Confederate soldiers were largely viewed as having fought out of loyalty to their state than disloyalty to the union. Confederate soldiers were not treated as criminals either, barring some higher-up officers who had served in the US military prior to secession.

Virtually all of the rank and file were permitted to head back home and continue their lives unimpeded.

>>168967
No only that, that applied to almost all the leaders too, from most of the military officers to senators who went right back to their old senate seats.

>>168912
It was largely fought out of fear of economic collapse and a complete loss of political power rather than all of the rich wealthy elite shit you are spewing. The south was economically dependent on slavery, hence why decades of reconstruction were needed to get the southern economy back to a shell of its former self.

>>168957
>no point in giving a /pol/yp like you any sources since it's all "fake news" anyway

In that case, I graciously accept your surrender.

>>168966
>>proves it
>Except not really though because that's all circumstantial evidence at best.

Except it does, really. We can see the same behavior in our local newspapers and tv news programs, where reporting on crimes committed by a Black will have a detailed description of the suspect… curiously omitting the fact that he’s Black and we can see the same thing happened here.

If the Nazis had started the violence, (despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered) the Mainstream Media would be splashing it all over the headlines but the truth is that the counter protestors (ANFITA, though again, not named) are to blame, the media only says “violence erupted” and such, implying the Nazis started it while protecting themselves from a slander lawsuit.

Why is it okay for muslims to shoot up gay bars, shoot up military bases, and liberals to shoot up conservative baseball games, shoot gabrielle giffords, attack people at Trump rallies, and for BLM to burn down cities while rioting, and to shoot multiple police and incite nationwide violence against the police and whites?

Gee, it's almost like one side has went completely off their rocker and now everyone is pushing back against it.

>>168970
No.

The rich wealthy elites owns the south and were looking to own the north as well.

>>168977
Motherfuckers keep doing this, you keep trying to drag everybody into your paper tiger and validating your sweeping generalizations by claiming everyone knows it. Fucking Trump does this shit all the time too, is that you Trump? I'm honestly questioning this now because I don't know how you could get up there and claim to be stating facts when half your shit is made up unless you're drinking the /pol/ koolaid.
No, I don't see the news fail to represent someone as black, the only time I ever see that issue come up is the monthly murder where everyone comes in to try and place blame on the other side, and act like these events are the only time news is ever reported. I wouldn't say the news is totally unbiased but I wouldn't say it's totally inaccurate either, as far as I know, a sentence that pretty much excludes me from joining any team of these internet arguments because they all need me to believe that something more is happening, and be terrified that my life depends on knowing it or not.

>>168767
>Men who took a stand for what they felt was right
What they felt was right was opposing the United States, and continuing the practice of treating human beings like animals. It's not bad enough they committed treason, but they also did it on grounds that were morally unjust. The reconstruction was a mistake, and confederate leaders should have been trialed as war criminals.

>>168770
Treason is treason. It literally doesn't matter if nobody recognized their country's existance. Nobody recognizes ISIS's caliphate, but it doesn't make them any less evil, or any less of a threat.

>>168977
What you don't seem to realize is that it doesn't matter who started it, because these are literally Nazis. If these people were having a rally about cutting taxes, shrinking the size of government, and opposing abortion rights, antifa would have never shown up, and there would have been no issue. The concept behind it is that the majority of Germans didn't agree with Nazism at first, but ignored it hoping it would go away. It didn't. The Nazis waited until they outnumbered their opposition before they got violent. If you show Nazis physical violence, and turn all of their public rallies into violent clashes, it'll get media attention, and turn people against them. Trying to say antifa is as bad as the Nazis, or putting any attention on them, is actively helping the Nazi cause. Stop being a useful idiot, and giving excuses to literal Nazis. They are no better than ISIS. Antifa may be vigilantes, but at least they're standing up for America in a way that is actually working.

>>168984
I really hope this is bait.

>>168989

Can you retardeds stop calling them nazis.

You make yourself look so fucking pathetic when you vomit political rhetoric like this.

As I said above, none of these people are "literally nazis"

>>168977
>I can't counter your evidence with my own, but I sure can bluster up a storm!

>>168989
>>168994
He's right you know. What we're dealing with now are NuNazis.

and? it's true

The left are not morally righteous special snowflakes.

How long until this guy is removed from office?
2 months? 3 months?

It's just a matter of time now.
Nobody with an ounce of brains likes him.
Most of his own supporters ditched him.
His council ditched him.
Companies are turning against him.

The only ones praising him are underage children on 4chan and rednecks.

>>168975
Ehhh, the racists went off script. They were supposed to enter the park from one point and the two sides would start off screaming at each other until both sides were hoarse. Instead they came in from all sides and got mixed in with the counter-protesters and a general melee started. The police were generally unprepared and had to scamper back for their body armor before they could break things up.
Generally a win for the racists because look how unreasonable these lefties are and my freedoms were infringed.
Then some dipshit goes and makes a serious attempt at mass-murder Al-Qaeda style and flubs it badly.
Cops should have pulled the permit after the racists staged a torchlight parade and riot the night before.

>>169067
446 days unless Democrats continue to not get it and Republicans take their party back. Failing that, the Tea Party will be re-doing the districts after the 2020 Census and it's going to be drill, baby, drill till there's no glaciers or permafrost. Then the methane clathrates will boil out of the sea (C'Thulhu farts) and everybody dies.

>>169067
removed for what?
You need a valid legal reason to start impeachment hearings. And "racism" is not one of them.

>be democrats
>declare all white people must be replaced via immigration
>declare all white people are evil nazis
>declare all white people mut be erased from history
>lose election
>WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE NOT VOTING FOR US
>THEY ARE RACIST THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T VOTE FOR US

>>169076
Fuck off David Duke, don't you have a little white boy to diddle.

>>169069
Actually yeah. this is dead on. If it wasn't for white girl syndrome it would have been a slam dunk for the racists. If literally anyone besides that girl had died no one would have given two shits. yeah it would have made news, but white girl syndrome is too strong. It's hard to be the good guys when that shit happens

>>169076
correct. the democrats have no message. It's just evil white racism 24/7. and then they wonder why white people aren't voting for them anymore

>>169075
A case can be made that it makes him unfit for office, emotionally or mentally. But that requires his staff turning on him, and congress agreeing. So the WH has to have it's morale break and republicans would have to see it as their mandate to remove him.

He's literally picking fights with the people who have the means to fuck with him. The collective reps would have to fear for their reelections. The Constitution is kind of vague about the wording and the requirement. but hey if congress rules it -shrug-

>>169083
The 25 amendment doesn't remove Trump from office. It temporally gives presidential power over to the vice president. Nothing else. And Pence and Trumps cabinet would have to agree to do it.
Simply not going to happen.

Trump has been worse than expected. "Alt-left" shows just how little he actually knows about the current political climate. Besides, it shouldn't be this fucking hard for a president to say "Nazis are bad." This is not unlike Obama's aversion to the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism".

>>169069
>riot the night before
I knew about the march, but did they commit property damage as well? From what I heard and saw it seemed they just marched to the statue and scared away a few counter protestors.
>>169085
>>169087
That's bullshit. In any other circumstance he would be viewed as level headed for recognizing only the most extreme individuals on both sides are causing trouble.
Of course skin heads and nazis are a problem, but those were not the only people protesting at the event. It is overly simplistic, and quite frankly childish, to paint everyone on the opposition as nazis. It is on par with claiming all Muslims are terrorists, all blacks are criminals and all Hispanics are illegals. Just blatant bigotry and intolerance of different views cloaked in self righteousness to a sickening degree.

>>169090
What about the actual white supremacists who requested the petition and bused in from across the country to be there, are we allowed to call them white supremacists? Or is it too hard to tell them apart, they were wearing a uniform and chanting "Blood and Soil," it seemed like a pretty distinct form of identification, but maybe some conservative well-wisher just happened to be dressed the same way and got caught up in the moment. It's best we wait until we have all the facts, and in the meantime make shit up about who started the violence, and who had a permit, and absolutely do not talk about the car that rammed into 19 people and killed one.

>>169090
The difference is the in the relative numbers.
0.1% of white people are sympathetical to Nazis.
30% of Muslims hold pro Terror views.
40% of black males will go to prison in their lifetime.
70% of Hispanics entered the country illegal or are the children of illegals

Prejudice exist for a reason. It doesn't just come out of nowhere.

>>169093
source: posterior

>>169093
>40% of black males will go to prison in their lifetime.
had to look this one up, it's true, holy fuck that's insane
this means when you see two black guys it is virtually guaranteed that one of them is a felon, fuck

>>169092
Actual white supremacists should be called out. However before you go labeling everyone at the rally as a white supremacist I would like some proof that they all were. Throwing labels around willy nilly is only going to lead to further problems down the road.
Why not investigate why there was a protest in the first place. What was the grievance and why did so many people aggregate to voice it? Is there any truth to their claims and if so how should we approach finding a solution? These are the important questions, but instead of answering them people just want to ignore the problem and hope it gets better. Silencing and attacking these people is only goung to radicalize them further. It is funny how people are able to recognize this trend when it comes to making terrorists, yet continue to perpetuate it.
>The car
Driven by a schizophrenic who was caught and will face trial. Not really much more to say. Shame the woman died and it was a really stupid and unwarranted thing for him to do. The guy was clearly unhinged and we'll see if he is even fit to stand trial or gets off on grounds of insanity. If you want to discuss it further, go to any one of the threads on it here or join one of the 4 conspiracy ones on /pol/.

>>169100
>NB4 the entire United States is white supremacy on the count of conquered land and the annihilation of the natives of said land.

The truth hurts.

>>169092
>>169100

There is nothing wrong with being a white supremacist?

Whites are the superior race and the alt left has openly declared that it's okay for everyone to be racist against whites

Zero media coverage on the dozens of racist blm attacks

>NB4 the entire United States is white supremacy on the count of conquered land and the annihilation of the natives of said land.

Australia did the same thing

>>168715
Mt Rushmore was built by a member of the KKK
Jefferson and Washington owned slaves
The ancient egyptians and greeks used slave labor are going to demolish the pyramids and the Parthenon?

>>168760
There is never a good argument for demolishing historical landmarks.
IF it offends so much stick it in a museum but don't destroy it.

>>169187
Um sweetie. Everything racist must be destroyed. That includes history.

>>168715
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE EVERY DICK FROM THE HISTORY BOOKS!

ONLY TOLERANT PPL CAN HAVE STATUES NOW!

>>169075
They think they can just vote him out because they don't like him. Communists don't know ANYTHING lol.

>>169083
>it's vague
Bullshit. You're just ignorant.

Stupid ass commie hahaha!

>>169258
Any pictures or proof of ANTIFA attacks?

>>169090
>I knew about the march, but did they commit property damage as well?

What I heard was that the permit was for the next day but some Nazis showed up early but all that happened was some yelling and pepper spray being discharged (by the counter protestors, who also weren't supposed to be there the night before).

>>169259
>Any pictures or proof of ANTIFA attacks?

More info will come out but right now, the Mainstream Media’s entire narrative is all about the evil Trump supporting Nazis who are to blame for all this and the valiant counter-protestors who dindu nuthin.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-charlottesville-what-is-antifa-20170816-story.html
Lisa Baumann and Sarah Rankin
Associated Press
August 16, 2017

“The deadly white nationalist demonstration in Virginia has brought new attention to an anti-fascist movement whose black-clad, bandanna-wearing members have been a regular presence at protests around the country in the last year.

Members of the "antifa" movement were among those protesting the Charlottesville rally last weekend. During a combative news conference Tuesday, President Donald Trump did not mention antifa by name but said there was blame "on both sides" for the violence. He said the counter-demonstrators charged at white nationalists with clubs and suggested they also had a hand in escalating the violence.

"You had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent, and nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now," Trump said.

Here are some facts about the antifa movement and those who protested the rally:”

>>169261
Yeah that is what I heard. An objectively stupid thing to do which definitely set the stage for the following days events, but not a riot as the other anon claimed

>>169265
Donald Trump also claimed the counter protestors didn't have a permit, when they did. I wonder what else he got wrong...

>>169270
They didn't have a permit for the same park as the alt-right nor did they have one for the streets. Just because you get one for a few parks does not make the whole city your playground of political activism. Also do you have a link to his exact words on this? Did he state where they didn't have a permit for or just broadly that they didn't have one at all?

The best strategy for dealing with Trump is to make everyone believe the truth that he's only 5'11".

President Trump is right.
It is a moral equivalence.
Hate=Hate

It doesn't matter who you hate or why you hate, Hate=Hate

There once was a time people was saying, "LOVE Trumps Hate", and it does.

But what BLM, Antifa, and the Alt Left does is not Love, it's Hate, and Hate does not Trump Hate.

So long as the Alt Left continues to Hate, then they will be seen as the KKK.

>>168713

Vilified. Just like the right, a small portion of the whole is taking it to extremes

Why the fuck would we take down symbols of our history? Thats just ignorance. At least put them in a museum so we can see the evolution of society.

What is next, saying that slavery never happened?

>>168822

They certainly weren't respecting Lee's requests by putting them up.

>>170775
>Putting statues up of people who wanted to shatter the country
>Leaving statues up of the same people who lost

Lmao

>>170775

Most of the statues that have been taken down are going to be put in museums.

If the community doesn't share the same values as the one that put the statue up, they should be free to take it down, but at least place it somewhere to be viewed along with why it was put up and why it was taken down.

It's no surprise that they are being taken down. It's just something people never really paid attention to, nor was it ever enough of an issue to go through the process to have them removed.

Imagine if you was a Native American, and people started taking down all evidence of your tribe, and started bulldozing your burial grounds.

That's exactly what's happened, only it's happening to southern America.

>>170780
Thats the thing though, the people living there dont actually want it removed. The community voted to keep it but a petition from the local college and a committee vote is what got it removed. Everytime someone brought up removing the statues the response from the locals was an overwhelming "fuck off"

>>170869
Are you the leader of the alt-right?

>>168958
Thanks for the alert, retard.

>>170869 Since then I buzzed my head & bought A trump shirt I will become A reflection of liberal medias image all white males that share there veiws are nazi.
& when sombody tries to say im A nazi I'll ask on what evidence do base this on that is
not on A stereotype?

Both are shitty groups, both must die, he is right.

>>170842
If they were actually bulldozing the graves of all rednecks, burning books that belong to southern culture, destroying museums about southern heritage, and other similar things, sure, you would have a point.

Instead, they are removing statues of people who supported a rebellion that was in the defense of slavery. Don't believe me? Read the declarations of secession.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Georgia
>"Because by their declared principles and policy they have outlawed $3,000,000,000 of our property [slaves] in the common territories of the Union; put it under the ban of the Republic in the States where it exists and out of the protection of Federal law everywhere; because they give sanctuary to thieves and incendiaries who assail it to the whole extent of their power, in spite of their most solemn obligations and covenants; because their avowed purpose is to subvert our society and subject us not only to the loss of our property [slaves] but the destruction of ourselves, our wives, and our children, and the desolation of our homes, our altars, and our firesides."

Mississippi
>"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

>>170883
Wrong. The civil war was about free speech.

You basically are overturning headstones of graves.

This has absolutely nothing to do with slavery because that war was fought 150 years ago.

This is a pure Hatred for Southern White People.

>>170911
White people are scum. I will shed no tears for them.

How does one define Hatred?
Because the removal of Civil War monuments where often Confederate and Union dead were buried together really makes me wonder, if you're not for UNITY, then what are you for?

You can't have a United States of America while always pointing your finger at White people for something other White people did 150 years ago, and act innocent as if that's not a illogical, irrational Hatred.

It just doesn't fly.
That dog doesn't hunt.

BRILLIANT, BLIND HATRED!
Congratulations!

>>168715

The US was a nation for White people only you filthy colored halfbreed subhuman disease. It's about time we cleansed your kind from our lands once and for all.

>>168717

>Trump will be impeached very soon.

Only politicians who want to be killed will remove the President. Because yes, we will march on DC and cleanse it.

>>168710
>Yes we will. There is simply no place for slave owners and their statues in our society, or in our history.
>NO TRUMP! NO KKK! NO FASCIST USA!
You are a wee bit late for that. I mean, you do understand the term 'history', and that Back to the Future was a work of fiction...right?

>>170780
>It's just something people never really paid attention to, nor was it ever enough of an issue to go through the process to have them removed.
That's because the people living in the areas around these things don't give a shit. It's people outside of these areas making a big drama over wow these statues are so offensive remove them.

>>168710
This has to be a false flag post, right? If not it's just wrong on so many levels. Washington fought for our independence from the British Empire, oversaw the ratification of the Constitution. The fact that he owned slaves is unfortunate, but that's not what he's known for nor did he ever fight for the right of people to own slaves.

Lee fought on the side that supported states' rights to own slaves. That is what he is known for, and the statues made in his likeness were built to honor him and the Confederacy. Glorifying the man who helped create the Democratic Republic we call home today isn't nearly the same as glorifying the man that fought against the Union on the side of slavery

>>168715
who is we? piss off with your feigned moral outrage.

>>170914
anything that basically hurt your feelings. Why don't we all be compassionate socialist human beans ! :)

>>171160
You will sit on your ass and post death threats on the internet. The US is not the kind of country where civil wars occur. The population is still pretty rich and most people have more to personally lose by soldiering up for a a revolution than they gain from Trump in the whitehouse.