Canadian Telcos Lose Their Goddamn Minds Over TVAddons

>>166723

Still, in the last few years, the entertainment industry has completely lost its shit about Kodi boxes and the ability to use them to infringe. And more than a few sites involved in the space have been targeted. Recently, Dish Network sued TVAddons, a site that aggregates a bunch of Kodi add-ons. However, around the same time, it appears that up in Canada, all the big TV providers went absolutely insane. Bell Canada, TVA, Videotron and Rogers all not only sued TVAddons, but got an Anton Piller order allowing those companies (not police) to raid the home of the guy behind TVAddons, Adam Lackman. For fairly obvious reasons, the process of getting an Anton Piller order is one-sided. There is no adversarial process, because the other side isn't alerted beforehand that someone's trying to get an order allowing them to conduct a surprise raid to grab evidence.

The story of what happened next, first chronicled by Torrentfreak and the CBC is absolutely astounding.

And while a court eventually realized that these companies massively abused the Anton Piller process to effectively interrogate, intimidate, and hold Lackman hostage without legal representation, it came way too late -- and after they'd walked off with a bunch of his stuff, including his domains and his social media and email accounts and passwords. The story is shocking in its overreach. And, let's be clear here: the vast majority of the content on TVAddons is perfectly legal. As the court eventually pointed out, out of 1,500 add-ons, only 22 were found to be infringing. This was not a den of piracy. So keep that in mind as you read what happened. From Torrentfreak:

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>>166725

On June 12, the order was executed and Lackman’s premises were searched for more than 16 hours. For nine hours he was interrogated and effectively denied his right to remain silent since non-cooperation with an Anton Piller order amounts to contempt of court. The Court’s stated aim of not intimidating Lackman failed.

The TVAddons operator informs TorrentFreak that he heard a disturbance in the hallway outside and spotted several men hiding on the other side of the door. Fearing for his life, Lackman called the police and when they arrived he opened the door. At this point, the police were told by those in attendance to leave, despite Lackman’s protests.

Once inside, Lackman was told he had an hour to find a lawyer, but couldn’t use any electronic device to get one. Throughout the entire day, Lackman says he was reminded by the plaintiffs’ lawyer that he could be held in contempt of court and jailed, even though he was always cooperating.

“I had to sit there and not leave their sight. I was denied access to medication,” Lackman told TorrentFreak. “I had a doctor’s appointment I was forced to miss. I wasn’t even allowed to call and cancel.”

In papers later filed with the court by Lackman’s team, the Anton Piller order was described as a “bombe atomique” since TVAddons had never been served with so much as a copyright takedown notice in advance of this action.

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>>166726

I spoke with one of Lackman's lawyers, who told me that Lackman called while this search was happening, only to have the plaintiff's lawyers demand that he hang up and not talk to his lawyer. That's fucked up. Remember, this is not law enforcement. This is not a criminal case. These are private companies ransacking a guy's house and demanding he give up everything and denying him access to his lawyer. They also demanded Lackman give them information on a variety of other people -- and again threatened him with contempt if he didn't comply.

The intent behind Anton Piller cases is to prevent the destruction of evidence. In the US, we seem to deal with this in a more civilized manner -- in which defendants in cases may be alerted to preserve evidence, and failure to do so can lead to significant sanctions (and bad inferences) for "spoliation of evidence." Canada might want to think about adopting something similar.

Eventually, the court realized what a mess this was, vacating the earlier injunction and demanding that the companies return everything that they took. The court realized (again, too late) that the TV companies were using the Anton Piller order not for preservation of evidence, as is required, but for outright interrogation and discovery.

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>>166727

I find the most egregious part of the questioning to be in the independent solicitor’s affidavit, wherein he deposes that counsel for the Plaintiffs ‘provided Defendant Lackman with some names’ of other people who might be operating similar websites. It appears the Defendant was required to associate that list of 30 names with names, addresses and other data about individuals that might have some knowledge or relationship to those names. The list and the responses of the Defendant are found on three complete pages in the exhibits of the independent solicitor’s affidavit. I conclude that those questions, posed by Plaintiff’s counsel, were solely in furtherance of their investigation and constituted a hunt for further evidence, as opposed to the preservation of then existing evidence.

Well, no shit. Torrentfreak shows a transcript of the lawyer for the TV companies just flat out admitting that the strategy was to "neutralize" everything.

Justice: And on the next page, paragraph 5, so the experts would deactivate the TV Add-ons domains and sub-domains, so you really want to neutralize the Defendant's operations?

Lawyer for the Plaintiffs: Yeah, completely.

Justice: Completely...

Lawyer for the Plaintiffs: Yeah.

Justice: So it's more than saying you're enjoined of not operating or communicating, you really want to neutralize the guy.

Lawyer for the Plaintiffs: Yeah, completely, that's for sure. Yeah. We use his passwords, we shut down everything, we change the password and we change everything and it cannot be reactivated by him or someone else. That's the goal.

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>>166728

And that's what happened... until the court reversed the order and demanded they give everything back. But... in the meantime, how the hell is that allowed? The raid happened back on June 12th, and Lackman couldn't even talk about it until last week.

Incredibly, after getting slammed by this judge on June 29th, the TV companies appealed and asked to be able to keep all the access to Lackman's stuff. And that's where things are right now. The TV companies get to keep everything and Lackman has nothing... at least until there's a ruling on the appeal, and there won't even be a hearing on that for a few months. Lackman has set up a crowdfunding campaign in the meantime.

This entire story is shocking, but fits within a rather unfortunate theme that we see all too frequently around copyright. Legacy companies assume the absolute worst -- and assume that because there's some infringement somewhere everything must be wiped out and that it's blindingly obvious that they should be allowed to go in and basically destroy everything. It's the same sort of attitude that happened with the ridiculous "raid" on Kim Dotcom's mansion five years ago -- where Hollywood folks had spent so many years hyping up how Dotcom was a Hollywood-style evil villain that, clearly, they needed to bring in the FBI and special forces to raid his house with heavy weaponry and grab everything.

Over and over again, they seem to think that a little copyright infringement happening somewhere means they should now be free to destroy everything. It's quite incredible.

FIN

it's a real shame it wasn't some sort of "castle"

which you can defend, with weapons.

almost makes you wish there was some sort of "doctrine of castles" or "schema of fortifications" or "self-defense rules" in place.

so that private citizens can't invade your home and threaten you without dying.

maybe.

Lol, never going to happen in most of America, the searchers would be shot and killed before even entering the property.

If someone who was obviously not law enforcement came to my door and told me they were coming inside, I'd just laugh and ask them if they will wait for me to go get my gun, or if they would prefer to come into the kitchen and be stabbed and bludgeoned to death with cookware.

Maybe I would just set the house on fire and leave, tell them they can stay and die of smoke inhalation and be identified through dental records.

My point being, everyone else is cucked, USA is cucked by the Jew but at least were so insane that only the police are qualified to enter and search a private residence.

>>166779

If he was armed then, by law, the police would have been forced to side with the corporation.

And remember by this point his door was open.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Piller_order

Why do people tolerate this level of cuckery?

>>166780

I always carry my gun on me during the day

It would be hilarious to see anyone do this in my state

This is what libcucks mean when they always say dumb shit like "other civilized countries do X"

Libertarians and /news/ will defend this.

He was detained, not allowed to refuse to answer questions and refused the opportunity of the right to have his attorney present. This sounds like nothing less than forcible confinement to me. They also searched for 16 hours when they only had permission to be there for 12. How is all that not unlawful?

Canada also needs to be several orders of magnitude larger fines for this bullshit. These companies are large enough that anything less than 1,000,000,000 CHF won't hurt them, sometimes 10b would even be warranted.

I am Canadian. Unfortunately our prime Minister is a Globalist. Also sad to say that our Government protects big corporations at the expense of the people PERIOD! Try suing a corporation in Canada for negligence. At the end of the day, all you gain is a fat lawyer bill. The British Monarch owns this country and we all know they are as corrupt and evil as it gets. So Sad!

What the hell, Canada?

>>166803
You know, the heads of these corporations are people. Throw them in a jail cell for a mandatory period of time in a jail that's not the fucking Ritz and maybe they'll get the goddamn hint.

>>167827
>You know, the heads of these corporations are people. Throw them in a jail cell

But Anon, those people didn't do this, the "legal entity" that is the corporation did it, so it's at fault and not the actual living people who control the company and ordered this to happen....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

>>166803
>libertarians will defend statism
>proceeds to support statism
You are not a libertarian. What fucking gave you the idea that you were?

>>166780
>blaming the Jews for your small penis