White House Had a Hand In Fabricating Seth Rich Conspiracy Story

The first page of the lawsuit quotes a voicemail and text from Butowsky boasting that President Trump himself had reviewed drafts of the Fox News story just before it went to air and was published.

Spicer now tells NPR that he took the meeting as a favor to Butowsky, a reliable Republican voice. Spicer says he was unaware of any contact involving the president. Butowsky now tells NPR that he was kidding about Trump's involvement.

"Rod Wheeler unfortunately was used as a pawn by Ed Butowsky, Fox News and the Trump administration to try and steer away the attention that was being given about the Russian hacking of the DNC e-mails," said Douglas Wigdor, Wheeler's lawyer.
The back story

On May 16, the Fox News Channel broke what it called a bombshell story about an unsolved murder case: the fatal July 2016 shooting of 27-year-old Democratic Party staffer Seth Rich.

Unfounded conspiracy theories involving Rich abounded in the months after his death, in part because WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange cryptically suggested that his death may have been related to the leaks of tens of thousands of emails from Democratic Party officials and their allies at the peak of the presidential campaign.

Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.

The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

These developments took place during growing public concerns over a federal investigation into the Trump camp's possible collusion with the Russian government during the campaign. The allegations have since touched the president's son and son-in-law, his former campaign manager, his attorney general and his first national security adviser, who resigned as a result.

The question of Rich's death took on greater urgency for Butowsky after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey in early May. Comey had been overseeing the Russia investigation. The story ran just a week later.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.

Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's murder out of respect for the family. And there it has largely stood — until now.

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The fake news story

In the lawsuit, the private investigator sets out a different version of events. Wheeler was a paid Fox News contributor since 2005. He alleges the story was orchestrated behind the scenes and from the outset by Butowsky, the Dallas wealth management consultant and also Fox News commentator, who hired him for the Rich family.

The following account reflects the verbatim quotes provided from the texts, emails, voicemails, and recorded conversations cited in Wheeler's lawsuit, except as otherwise noted.

According to the lawsuit, Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer met at the White House with Wheeler and Butowsky to review the Rich story a month before Fox News ran the piece.

On May 14, about 36 hours before Fox News' story appeared, Butowsky left a voicemail for Wheeler, saying, "We have the full, uh, attention of the White House on this. And tomorrow, let's close this deal, whatever we've got to do."

Butowsky also texted Wheeler: "Not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article. He wants the article out immediately. It's now all up to you."

Spicer admits to meeting with the two but denies claims about the president.

"Ed's been a longtime supporter of the president and asked to meet to catch up," Spicer told NPR on Monday night. "I didn't know who Rod Wheeler was. Once we got into my office, [Butowsky] said, 'I'm sure you recognize Rod Wheeler from Fox News.' "

Spicer said Butowsky laid out what they had found about the case. "It had nothing to do with advancing the president's domestic agenda — and there was no agenda," Spicer says now. "They were just informing me of the [Fox] story."

Spicer says he is not aware of any contact, direct or not, between Butowsky and Trump. And Butowsky now tells NPR he has never shared drafts of the story with Trump or his aides — that he was joking with a friend.

Instead, Butowsky repeatedly claimed that the meeting was set up to address Wheeler's pleas for help landing a job for the Trump administration. Wheeler's attorney, Doug Wigdor, says there is no evidence to support that claim.

In the suit, Wheeler alleges that Butowsky was using the White House references to pressure him.

Wheeler played his own role in furthering the story. But he contends that he regretted it the same day it aired. His suit alleges Fox News defamed him by manufacturing two false quotations, attributing them to him and ruining his reputation by blaming him as the deceptive story fell apart. Wheeler, an African-American, is also suing the network for racial discrimination, saying he failed to advance as prominently as white counterparts. Fox News had no comment on that allegation.

Who is Ed Butowsky?

Ed Butowsky is a silver-haired and brash investor who became known for helping newly rich athletes figure out how to manage their money — and avoid getting fleeced. A native New Yorker and son of a former top enforcement officer for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Butowsky attended the University of Texas in the early 1980s. He set up his own company, Chapwood Capital Investment Management in Addison, Texas, outside Dallas, after a long stint at Morgan Stanley.

Federal records compiled by the election finance database OpenSecrets.org show Butowsky has given money to the campaigns of nine politicians: seven Republicans and two Democrats, including $1,000 to Barack Obama's campaign in January 2008.

In recent years, Butowsky has become outspoken about his political beliefs, becoming a familiar face on Fox News and its sister channel, the Fox Business Network. Butowsky has also appeared on Breitbart News' radio programs featuring then-Breitbart Chairman Steve Bannon, who became Trump's campaign chief and is now the president's senior political strategist.

Butowsky emerged as a vocal backer of Trump's candidacy . He attended Trump's inauguration, posting pictures from the day on social media. In the Seth Rich case, Butowsky presented himself as a good Samaritan who came across a sliver of information about Seth Rich's death and shared it with the Riches.

"I thought, 'You know what?' I'm going to help these people out," Butowsky said on the radio show of David Webb, a conservative Fox News contributor. "Somehow, these people need to know what happened to their little boy." He gave a similar account in an interview Monday with NPR.

Wheeler's lawsuit alleges that Butowsky's generosity is clearly politically motivated.

On Feb. 23, more than six months after Rich's death, Butowsky introduces himself to Wheeler with a flattering text, citing mutual friends from Fox News. "Behind the scenes, I do a lot of work, (unpaid) helping to uncover certain stories," Butowsky writes, as recounted in the suit.

"[M]y biggest work was revealing most of what we know today about Benghazi." Later that day, Butowsky speaks to Wheeler for about 20 minutes by phone, saying his primary aim is to help the Rich family.

The man behind the lawsuit: Rod Wheeler

Wheeler, a 57-year-old former Washington, D.C., homicide detective, had been part of the Metropolitan Police Department from 1990 to 1995, when he was dismissed, according to the agency. His New York City-based attorney, Douglas Wigdor, says Wheeler was fired for insubordination after his urine tested positive for trace amounts of marijuana.

At the point he meets with Butowsky, Wheeler has been a paid contributor to Fox News for more than 11 years and has been actively and unsuccessfully seeking greater exposure on the network, according to the suit.

Five days later, the two men meet in person at a lunch in Washington. Butowsky introduced an unexpected third guest: Malia Zimmerman, a Fox News investigative producer based in Los Angeles who had made a name for enterprise reporting from a conservative standpoint.

According to the account in the suit, Butowsky cautions Wheeler before they set out to meet the Riches: "[M]ake sure to play down Fox News. Don't mention you know Malia."

And Butowsky lays out a different mission than aiding the Rich family. Butowsky says he became convinced that the FBI had a report concluding that Seth Rich's laptop showed he had had contacts with WikiLeaks after speaking to the legendary reporter Seymour Hersh, who was also investigating Rich's death. According to the transcripts in the lawsuit, Butowsky said Hersh had an FBI source who confirmed the report.

In an interview this week, Hersh sounded unconvinced.

"I hear gossip," Hersh told NPR on Monday. "[Butowsky] took two and two and made forty-five out of it."

Seth Rich's parents initially welcome Wheeler's help and Butowsky's largesse. On March 14, Butowsky paid Wheeler $5,000, through a limited partnership company called Googie LP. (NPR found that Butowsky is listed in Texas public records as its general partner.)

Wheeler does not make great headway. The FBI informs Butowsky, Wheeler and Zimmerman that the agency is not assisting Washington, D.C., local police on the investigation — undercutting claims about an FBI report.

A Metro D.C. police detective tells Wheeler that Rich's death was likely a robbery gone awry and that the FBI is not involved.

Preparing to publish

On May 9, Trump fires Comey.

On May 10, Butowsky and Fox's Malia Zimmerman call Wheeler to say they have an FBI source confirming emails were sent from Seth Rich to WikiLeaks, though they do not share the source's identity, according to the investigator's suit. Wheeler will later say this is the only federal law enforcement source that Fox News — or he — has related to this story.

Wheeler says he doesn't know whether that source emerged from Butowsky's conversation with Seymour Hersh or whether it was a fabrication.

The next day, Zimmerman sends Wheeler a draft of her story, which is to run initially on the network's website. It includes no quotes from Wheeler.

On the evening of May 14, Butowsky leaves a voicemail for Wheeler raising the stakes by invoking the White House and saying "let's close this deal."

A bit later that night, at 9:10 p.m., Butowsky texts Wheeler, according to Wheeler's suit: "Not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article. He wants the article out immediately. It's now all up to you. But don't feel the pressure."

As the night before the story is aired progresses, Butowsky is awake, online, and anticipating what is to unfold in a few short hours.

Butowsky sends an email to Fox News producers and hosts coaching them on how to frame the Rich story, according to the lawsuit. Recipients included Fox & Friends hosts, Steve Doocy, Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade, among others.

"I'm actually the one who's been putting this together but as you know, I keep my name out of things because I have no credibility," Butowsky wrote, as reflected in the Wheeler suit. "One of the big conclusions we need to draw from this is that the Russians did not hack our computer systems and ste[a]l emails and there was no collusion" between "Trump and the Russians."

The night before the story ran and the day of the story itself, Butowsky coached Wheeler on what to say on the air: "[T]he narrative in the interviews you might use is that you and [Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman's] work prove that the Russians didn't hack into the DNC and steal the emails and impact our elections." In another text; "If you can, try to highlight this puts the Russian hacking story to rest."

Fox goes with the story

The story breaks earlier than expected.

On the evening of May 15, Fox News' sister local station in Washington, Fox 5 DC, runs a story online at once promoting and pre-empting the network's apparent scoop. "The police department nor the FBI have been forthcoming," Wheeler tells the station. "They haven't been cooperating at all. I believe that the answer to solving his death lies on that computer, which I believe is either at the police department or either at the FBI. I have been told both."

Asked whether his sources have told him about information linking Rich to the WikiLeaks email dump, Wheeler says, "Absolutely. Yeah. That's confirmed."

The next morning, the story goes national.

Fox News reports that evidence from Rich's laptop showed he had been in contact with WikiLeaks just days before the site posted those emails. Fox also reported that powerful forces were trying to quash the official investigation into his death.

On Fox & Friends, hosts call the story a "bombshell."

Zimmerman's online story cites an unnamed "federal investigator who reviewed an FBI report" for its findings. It also cites Wheeler, incorporating two key quotations from Wheeler that do not appear on video. In each, the private eye seemingly takes ownership of the accusations.

The first: "My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks."

FUCKING YES

WE ARE SO FUCKING CLOSE TO GETTING THIS EMBARRASSMENT OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

The second: "My investigation shows someone within the D.C. government, Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward. That is unfortunate. Seth Rich's murder is unsolved as a result of that."

The Riches torch Wheeler, saying they have seen no proof for his contentions.

Wheeler alleges both quotations were fabricated and untrue.

According to the lawsuit, Zimmerman promised to have those lines removed — but they stayed in the story. Zimmerman then told him that her bosses at Fox News had instructed her to leave those quotes in.

That same day, the suit recounts, Zimmerman writes a letter to Seth Rich's father, Joel, distancing Fox News from responsibility for what the network reported: "Much of our information came from a private investigator, Rod Wheeler, who we understand was working on behalf of you."

Wheeler challenges Zimmerman over the letter in a three-way phone conversation that also included Butowsky. The Fox News producer defends herself: "That's the email that Fox asked me to send him. They wrote it for me."

Wheeler replies: "That's not accurate, though, because much, much of the information did not come from me."

"Not about the emails. Not the part about, I mean, the connection to WikiLeaks," Zimmerman acknowledges. "But the rest of the quotes in the story did."

Butowsky weighs in: "One day you're going to win an award for having said those things you didn't say." Later, according to the recordings transcribed in the suit, Butowsky acknowledges Wheeler hadn't made any claims of personal knowledge about emails between Rich and WikiLeaks. "I know that's not true," Butowsky says. "If I'm under oath, I would say I never heard him say that."

Both try to keep Wheeler on board, however.

Zimmerman issues instructions for Wheeler's appearance on Sean Hannity's show later that evening. "Reread the story we sent you last night [that contained the invented quotes] and stick to the script," she texts Wheeler.

Despite his misgivings, Wheeler plays along. On Hannity's show, Wheeler says he doesn't know personally about Rich's emails or computers but says that a "very credible" federal investigator says "he laid eyes on the case file." Wheeler offers energetic speculation though not much more: "When you look at that with the totality of everything else that I found in this case it's very consistent for a person with my experience to begin to think well perhaps there were some e-mail communications between Seth and WikiLeaks."

The aftermath

On May 23, Fox News posts an unsigned statement retracting Zimmerman's online story.

The network does not apologize or explain what went wrong. "The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting," the statement reads. "Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed."

In early June, Wheeler meets with Dianne Brandi, general counsel for the network, and Jay Wallace, the network's president for news. He makes his case that fabricated quotes had knowingly been attributed to him. Neither ever publicly speak of the matter afterward, until now. "Since meeting with Rod Wheeler, we have also met with Malia Zimmerman to try to determine whether Rod was misquoted," Wallace said in a statement to NPR. "As of now, we don't have concrete evidence that he was."

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You might have missed it, but Obama is already out. Thank god.

A Fox News executive knowledgeable about the controversy, who would only speak if granted anonymity, tells NPR, "The story was published to the website without review by or permission from senior management." The executive noted that Wallace had placed the broadcast and digital newsgathering teams under the same leadership for the first time after a series of management changes following the forced departure of the network's founder, the late Roger Ailes, and many of his top deputies.

In late June, Wheeler warns Fox News and Butowsky that he may file suit. Three days later, Butowsky tweets: "Fox News story was pulled b/c Rod Wheeler said [he] didn't say a quote ... How much did DNC pay him?" And then Butowsky tweeted: "This shows Rod Wheeler has a major battle with the truth."

The two men, thrust together on a common effort for months, have been torn apart by its aftermath. In the interview with NPR, Butowsky insists that he was acting out of a civic-minded spirit for the Riches, not any partisan or political drive. Zimmerman remains on staff at Fox News, actively reporting on unrelated stories.

A spokeswoman for the FBI tells NPR this week that the agency has played no part in the investigation of the unsolved murder. And a spokeswoman for Washington's Metropolitan Police Department says, "MPD stands behind its original assertion that Seth Rich was the victim of a botched armed robbery."

END OF STORY

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Delet this. This is supposed to be a Trump safe space site. Don't expose how he's a corrupt criminal piece of shit

The white house has issued a statement in response to this story. They don't deny their involvement and they confirm that the story itself is fabricated.

>Early reports this morning are indicating the existence of White House involvement in crafting the so-called "Seth Rich Murder Story." While the White House can at this time neither confirm nor deny these allegations due to an ongoing investigation, the President feels that this demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt the widespread proliferation of "fake news" in our mainstream media. Irregardless of whether the White House had any involvement in this story, the fact of the matter is that, had our media not become so beholden to false, lurid, tabloid-style sensationalism, they might have more adequately performed their jobs, fact-checked this story's details, and thereby avoided once again contributing toward the wide-spread dissemination of yet another lie. We, as do all Americans, lament the utter collapse of the once-proud Fourth Estate, and President Trump remains steadfast in his quest, as part of his mission to drain the swamp of Washington, to Make Journalism Great Again. Thank you.

Rod Wheeler just made a GIANT mistake. This will backfire for him. By bringing Seth to attention with this hit piece he is not helping his democrat overlords, he is pissing them off. They want this scandal dead and buried, not out in the open. Rod Wheeler is in mortal danger. The dems will suicide him for this blunder.

Drumpf out when?

Who is Seth Rich and what did he do?

>>163064
Someone the alt-right lies about by saying Hillary Clinton killed him

>>163066
Why would Hillary Clinton kill someone? What did Seth Rich do to her?

>>163067
LITERALLY nothing. The alt-right literally makes up lies to defame Hillary because they don't like women.

This is fucking huge. Easily the biggest story to Drop since Jr's emails. The most interesting tidbits are that Spicer was involved and Trump himself pushed for the story to be published. Fox news literally made up quotes trying to hide that they came from them. The FBI directly confirms that Fox made up the part about them seeing the emails by saying they were never involved in the case. The police station that did the investigation maintains it was a botched robbery as does Seth's parents. Fox also was behind hiring the PI in the first place (the same PI they attributed made up quotes to and tried to blame for the whole thing).

Again, this is huge.

>>163068
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING. THIS WOMEN HATE MUST BE STOPPED

>>163064
He was just some low level DNC staffer that got murdered. Fox and the white house attempted to pin the release of the DNC's emails on him, thus covering the tracks of the Russian hackers. This means that Fox and the White house were actively trying to cover up the Russians involvement in the hacks.

Seth Rich was working for Trump? HOLY SHIT

>>163071
Seth Rich was the Russian hacker and the Russians killed him to blame it on Hillary? Or what did he do.

The Seth Rich Story was a Conspiracy?
Is he still alive?
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

>>163074
No, Seth Rich was just some dude. If you read the article it shows that Fox news made it all up and he had nothing to do with wikileaks or Russia. He was killed in a robbery. He didn't do anything, he was just an innocent victim of a crime.

>>163077
Then what the fuck is this all about. I don't get it.
I thought the article said they killed him to blame it on Hillary.

Seth Rich was the email hacker and Trump and Fox News paid for him to do it. This is huge. High level treason.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=ARqKdNd3Glk

>>163081
wtf, that guy is a known nazi, don't link him here

Now all we need is the money trail from Trump to Seth Rich and we can start the impeachment hearings.

>>163078
Jesus christ you're a dim one. Fox news is trying to cover up the Russian hacking by making up a story with no evidence that claims Seth Rich leaked the emails and that the DNC really wasn't hacked at all and they insinuate that the democrats had him killed because of this. Multiple sources confirm they just made this up.

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Why the fuck would Seth Rich leak the e-mails?

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>known nazi

Since when?

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HOLY FUCK HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID? DID YOU EVEN READ ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE HEADLINE?

>>163084
The democrats killed Seth Rich? You just said a minute ago it was the Russians.

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This is the hardest attempt at spinning fake news we've seen so far.

REMINDER:

The data from the DNC "hack" was accessed on local computers tied to the DNC's internal network:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-10/new-research-shows-guccifer-20-files-were-copied-locally-dnc-not-hacked-russians
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/
>a USB drive was most likely used to boot Linux OS onto a computer that either contained the alleged DNC files or had direct access to them. They also explained to us that in this situation one would simply plug a USB drive with the LinuxOS into a computer and reboot it; after restarting, the computer would boot from the USB drive and load Linux instead of its normal OS. A large amount of data would then be copied to this same USB drive.
>The use of a USB drive would suggest that the person first accessing the data could not have been a Russian hacker. In this case, the person who copied the files must have physically interacted with a computer that had access to what Guccifer 2.0 called the DNC files. A less likely explanation for this data pattern where large time gaps were observed between top level files and directories in the 7zip file, can be explained by the use of 'think time' to select and copy 1.9 GB of individual files, copied in small batches with think time interspersed. In either scenario, Linux would have been booted from a USB drive, which fundamentally necessitates physical access to a computer with the alleged DNC files.

Actual forensic investigation does not support the repeatedly debunked Russian hacking narrative. If only the DNC hadn't stalled the investigation into their server until late July in favor of a paid report from a privately contracted IT firm that the DNC used to stall investigators.

OP, you're still complicit in a murder. Hope you're sleeping well at least

>>163084
>Multiple sources confirm they just made this up.
A civil lawsuit isn't evidence anon.

>>163086
He didn't. Fox made it up. How are you not getting this?

Finally we have. Hard undeniable proof that Russia, Trump and Seth Rich teamed up to destroy Hillary. Trump is finished. This is bigger than watergate.

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I DID NOT YOU FUCKING STUPID NIGGER

I SAID HE WAS KILLED IN A ROBBERY

YES I MAD

>>163091
What did Fox make up? That Seth Rich was the Russians hacker? But why? I thought they denied the entire Russians narrative.

>>163094
So if he was not the leaker then what is the conspiracy? Was the murder fake and he is still alive?

Holy Shit. This is so big.

We have evidence that Trump and Fox invented a murder to tip an election. Trump CANNOT get out of this one.

>>163090
Those are literally both Russian propaganda sources. How can you not know about zerohedge at least? They're fucking blatant.

If you want to take your head out of the sand, here's an article about it:http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html

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Fuck those Russians are everywhere. We literally cannot trust anyone on this story.

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They made up that he leaked the emails to wikileaks as an attempt to deny the involvement of russian hackers. At this point I'm thinking you're not really this retarded, because that would be impossible, so please cut out whatever game you're trying to play.

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So if it really was a Russian hack then what the fuck does Seth Rich have to do with it. Why do the files show they were copied locally? Was Seth Rich a Russian operative or was there another as yet unknown Russian agent that had access to the server?

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Not him but there's no proof that the emails came from outside the dnc

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>That Seth Rich was the Russians hacker?
He wasn't working with the Russians. He was a leaker pissed off about the DNC's treatment of Bernie Sanders who copied the data locally and turned it over to Wikileaks. A few days later he winds up dead in a "botched robbery" where nothing was taken

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>http://www.propornot.com/
Yeah I'm gonna need a legitimate source, not a year old DNC/WaPo funded propaganda front.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/
>In casting the group behind this website as “experts,” the Post described PropOrNot simply as “a nonpartisan collection of researchers with foreign policy, military and technology backgrounds.” Not one individual at the organization is named. The executive director is quoted, but only on the condition of anonymity, which the Post said it was providing the group “to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers.”
>In other words, the individuals behind this newly created group are publicly branding journalists and news outlets as tools of Russian propaganda — even calling on the FBI to investigate them for espionage — while cowardly hiding their own identities. The group promoted by the Post thus embodies the toxic essence of Joseph McCarthy, but without the courage to attach individual names to the blacklist. Echoing the Wisconsin senator, the group refers to its lengthy collection of sites spouting Russian propaganda as “The List.”

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>They made up that he leaked the emails to wikileaks as an attempt to deny the involvement of russian hackers.
Forensic evidence and Wikileaks testimony proves otherwise. Feel free to refute them without propaganda, if you can. (You can't)

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The made up conspiracy is that the DNC killed Seth in an attempt to cover up his actions and they, along with the rest of the government, made up the part about the Russians hacking the DNC. This is so fucking retarded I can't believe anyone would believe it, but /pol/tards have proven otherwise.

I'm a Russian agent. AMA

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>the DNC killed Seth
But why? This doesn't benefit anyone.

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The files do not show that they were copied locally. They show they were copied at a speed of 23mbps. This is a reasonable download speed for an internet connection. Seth Rich has nothing to do with it, he was just the guy Fox news tried to frame in order to cover up the Russian's hacking.

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Except our government is telling us they have proof. If you don't believe them, explain why they are lying and how such a massive conspiracy manages to be maintained by everyone except for Donald Trump?

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>The files do not show that they were copied locally.
Yes they do. See forensic evidence here:

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>https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/
>a USB drive was most likely used to boot Linux OS onto a computer that either contained the alleged DNC files or had direct access to them. They also explained to us that in this situation one would simply plug a USB drive with the LinuxOS into a computer and reboot it; after restarting, the computer would boot from the USB drive and load Linux instead of its normal OS. A large amount of data would then be copied to this same USB drive.
>The use of a USB drive would suggest that the person first accessing the data could not have been a Russian hacker. In this case, the person who copied the files must have physically interacted with a computer that had access to what Guccifer 2.0 called the DNC files. A less likely explanation for this data pattern where large time gaps were observed between top level files and directories in the 7zip file, can be explained by the use of 'think time' to select and copy 1.9 GB of individual files, copied in small batches with think time interspersed. In either scenario, Linux would have been booted from a USB drive, which fundamentally necessitates physical access to a computer with the alleged DNC files.

Feel free to refute this with your own forensic evidence. Oh wait.

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>They show they were copied at a speed of 23mbps. This is a reasonable download speed for an internet connection.

Uh no? Especially not from America to Russia.

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How do we know you are not a Russian hacker trying to shift the blame on Fox News? The new sanctions must hurt you guys pretty bad. Dirty Vodka Niggers.

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>Except our government is telling us they have proof.

Did they get it from the same place as when they said they had proof of WMDs to invade the Middle East?

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>But why? This doesn't benefit anyone.
He leaked sensitive information to Wikileaks, so they wanted to off him before he went public and became Edward Snowden 2: Feel the Bern Boogaloo.

After all, it was her turn.

ITT OP get's literally trolled to death. Heart attack incoming.

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HOLY SHIT YOU ARE RIGHT
That does make sense.

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So you trust some blog (written by Russians) over the federal government. Why?

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I like how the shills' new tactic is to just play dumb, because every time they make some kind of empirical claim it gets proven wrong. I wonder who comes up with these new tactics

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Boris on section 17a is responsible for tactics. He is a good man. Do not slander him.

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>a speed of 23mbps.

No it wasn't it was 23mb/s

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>So you trust some blog (written by Russians)
If your only proof of this is that WaPo front PropOrNot, you're only embarrassing yourself every time you try to pull this. Your McCarthyism fetish isn't healthy.

>over the federal government
You mean the CIA? You fucking bet I do.
You'd have to be a fool to trust anything the IC community says.

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It's a symptom from wearing stupid little hats

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Why would I trust a random blog over the CIA. Hm let me think. How about 50 years of history.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

>When Special Agent Adrian Hawkins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the Democratic National Committee in September 2015 to pass along some troubling news about its computer network, he was transferred, naturally, to the help desk.

>His message was brief, if alarming. At least one computer system belonging to the D.N.C. had been compromised by hackers federal investigators had named “the Dukes,” a cyberespionage team linked to the Russian government.

>The F.B.I. knew it well: The bureau had spent the last few years trying to kick the Dukes out of the unclassified email systems of the White House, the State Department and even the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one of the government’s best-protected networks.

The FBI is naming the specific group they think is involved. Why would they lie in a massive conspiracy? Read the rest of the article, it goes into more detail. They had full access for 7 months.

It's true. All of it. I got the smoking gun right here


>On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:12 PM, John Podesta <[email protected]>
>wrote:
> Agree. Happy to talk to the David's. Call me crazy, but I think if we can
> survive the next month, it will be possible, maybe even straightforward to
> get our arms around this once there is an actual campaign. I'm definitely
> for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any real
> basis for it.

>>163130
The FBI had full access to the DNC servers? Good to know. I'm sure they cleared up a lot of questions and finally nailed this Russian son of a bitch that cost Hillary the election.

>>163129
Okay then, explain the motivation for the conspiracy then. Why are all these intelligence agencies and the FBI lying about this?

I know why the Russians are lying about it, they don't want people to know they were involved. It's clear cut, simple. There is no logical explanation for why the entire government would conspire to decieve the American public and randomly try to pin things on the Russians that they didn't do.

I hate morons. You're all easily manipulated unthinking sheep. You believe whatever validates your feelings.

>>163135
>Why are all these intelligence agencies and the FBI lying about this?
Because Obama told them to. He was their boss and a big Hillary supporter. Not that hard to figure out. Even for a brain dead Democrat like you.

>>163129
>How about 50 years of history.
Muh yellow cake!

For everyone not suckling on an IC teat: the reason this suddenly being pushed in synchronization across news sites like NPr and CNN is because news is going to break very soon about Seth Rich and recently arrested Wasserman/Schultz IT staffer Imran Awan while he was trying to flee the country.

>>163130
>Why would they lie in a massive conspiracy?
Why did you have to go back to 2016 to find something that supports your point? This is obsolete info and you know it.

Again, feel free to post contradicting forensic findings.

>>163133
Same posting this hard is pathetic. Give it up, shill.
>The FBI had full access to the DNC servers?
LOL no.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/27/with-robert-mueller-fbi-gets-second-chance-to-insp/
>Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel of the Russia election interference probe presents an opportunity for the FBI to inspect the Democratic Party computers that U.S. intelligence concluded were penetrated by Kremlin-directed hackers, cybersecurity analysts say.
>The Democratic National Committee did not allow the FBI to physically inspect its machines, including servers. There is no public indication that any government agency has ever looked at the machines, prompting some former intelligence people to question the findings.

This is as of July 27th, 2017. The DNC stalled the FBI up until now.

>>163135
> There is no logical explanation for why the entire government would conspire to decieve the American public

Um sweetie. Have you forgotten 9/11 already?

>>163133
I was refferring to the Russians. Ironically the FBI had a lower level of access which is why it took them so long to catch them. Maybe you should try reading the article I posted if you want to know more.

Also, keep in mind that this also affects the DCCC. That's also in the article. Stolen information was leaked to Republican congressional candidates. Your Seth Rich conspiracy falls apart with that information.

>>163137
Seth Rich was trying to flee the country? You just said a minute ago the Russians killed him. You don't make a lot of sense.

>>163136
Protip, Trump's administration maintains the exact same thing. The only one to deny it is Trump himself. You can watch video of Dan Coats and Mike Rodgers and others confirming this for yourself if you want.

>>163135
>Why are all these intelligence agencies and the FBI lying about this?

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/07/08/clapper-debunks-17-intelligence-agency-claim-again-video/

>>163139
Why would the DNC give the Russians full access to their server but not the FBI?

>>163135
>Why are all these intelligence agencies and the FBI lying about this?
For the same reason the FBI privately contracted a private British intelligence agency to produce a bogus dossier on Trump, only to renege on payment once the dossier was magically leaked to the public. They took orders from Obama, who had a vested interest in making sure Hillary got her turn.

There's a reason Obama's been spending most of his time hiding in southeast asia since she lost.

>>163140
>Seth Rich was trying to flee the country? You just said a minute ago the Russians killed him. You don't make a lot of sense.
Now you're being intentionally dumb.

Imran Awan, the Wassermann-Schultz IT staffer was arrested while trying to flee the country.
The DNC killed Seth Rich a few days after the leak.
The Russians had nothing to do with it.

*shakes rattle* Come on! Good boy! Follow the bouncing ball!

>>163145
>The Russians had nothing to do with it.

THEN WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

>84 Posts
>9 IP's
what a pathetic thread

>>163147
>Ugh, discussion? On /news/ of all places?

>>163136
that makes no sense. If they lie because Obama was their boss and told them to why does their tune not change when Trump becomes their boss? What loyalty do you think they have to an outgoing president who's party just lost and will no longer be able to effect their careers at all? They also don't stand to gain anything if Trump was replaced with Pence.

>>163137
The FBI never requested access to the DNC servers. They had an independent contractor give them an analysis. They had no reason to believe the analysis was false because they had lots of other corroborating evidence, including the DCCC servers. They were never denied access. Comey himself refuted this.

>>163149
because 99% of agency people are still from Obama. There are tens of millions of people working int the various agencies. Trump didn't fire all of them.

>>163144
What part about the Russians hacked the DNC are you not understanding? The did not willingly give them access. Someone in the FBI contacted a low level DNC staffer saying that they thought their machines were compromised and the staffer did a virus scan which found nothing and ignored it. This was incompetency on their part but it doesn't suggest they literally gave access to the Russians. They were hacked with a spear phishing campaign.

>>163150
>The FBI never requested access to the DNC servers. They had an independent contractor give them an analysis.
That seems. Rather amazing.

So f I happen to stumble upon a dead body in my house I can just call private detective to a take a few pictures and don't have to let the police in? Cool.

>>163153
> The did not willingly give them access.
How the fuck is that even possible.

>>163154
Well the FBI were the ones who initally discovered the intrusion so they had some level of access, they just didn't do one specific aspect of the investigation because they lacked the technical expertise. They often do this, it's standard operating procedure. Like I said, they had lots of corroborating evidence, it's not like this analysis was the only thing that led them to believe this. They had access to the spear phishing emails that were sent by the Russians among other things.

>>163155
THEY WERE HACKED YOU DUMB FUCKING NIGGER. HOW ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS?

OP out. Have fun shills.

>>163157
Then why did they kill Seth Rich? Just to shift blame? seems a little excessive.

>>163061
>We made the story up!
>But it's the medias fault!

Wat

>>163046
>White House Had a Hand In Fabricating Seth Rich Conspiracy Story
no they didnt,
this conspiracy theory started the moment he died on all sorts of websites.

>>163046
>OP is fag
>Seth Rich is not a false or fake conspiracy

>>163157
Check the Guccifer 2.0 files, Russia was false flag effort to cover the DNCs tracks

>>163046
I'm all for more of these investigations. The more they dig, the more skeletons from the Democratic closet gets kicked out. Why shot yourself in the foot with Russia when you can shot yourself in the face with Seth Rich?

>>163198
This. The dems must have lost their fucking minds if they think exposing the Seth rich murder will hurt Trump more than them.
What the fuck are they even doing, no one can be this dumb.

>>163201
It's almost like they have nothing to be afraid of because THERE'S NOTHING THERE. There is zero proof seth rich was killed by the DNC, let alone that he was the leaker. Assange has never given proof it was him, and the most people have been able to do is associate a couple different reddit accounts based not even on evidence in the posts, just the fact that someone once mentioned pandas to rich on twitter. There's nothing there, and there never was.

>>163209
>Seth Rich had the means and the motive
>Files show evidence they were copied locally
>Podesta writes about wanted to make example of leakers
>Wikileaks implies Seth Rich gave them the emails
>Seth gets killed in "robbery", but nothing gets stolen
>DNC refuses to let FBI look into their servers
This and 200 other things point to the fact that Seth Rich was the leaker.
Meanwhile team Russia has nothing.

Why are there so many shills posting all these fake news opinion pieces with unnamed sources on this board?

>>163213

He probably found Comey's suicide letter on Hillary's computer if their "matter" wasn't handled

>>163216
We failed to purge the communists.

>>163216
Soros knows the market is crashing soon he is spending all his money on shills while it's still worth something

>>163046
Nothing but lies from the Communist News Network runned by Soros.

>>163140
Can you read? Seriously, are you so fucking dumb you can't even comprehend a simple sentence? Imran was fleeing, Seth Rich HAS BEEN DEAD FOR MONTHS NOW.

>>163221
Who the fuck is Seth Rich.

>>163061
>irregardless

>>163222
The guy who opened up the DNC emails leaks to WikiLeaks, and was killed by Clintonites

>>163221
It's just a troll dude. He's been pretending not to understand basic elements of this over and over this entire thread just to piss people off.

>>163148
>discussion
It's literally just Trumptards and trolls trying to rile Trumptards up.

>>163260
Wow inventive shill technique, +10 shill xp