Women and Minorities Bear Arms

New Yorkers must be terrified to visit Pennsylvania, where 13% of adults have permits. In Potter County, Pa., on the New York state line, more than half of adults have a permit.

In Los Angeles County, by contrast, as of January there were 226 permits for almost eight million adults. Only the political elite get them: judges, reserve deputy sheriffs and a small group of very wealthy, well-connected individuals. As of 2012, Hispanics made up almost half the county, but they only got about 6.5% of the permits. Women got about 7%, and blacks 5%.

Where officials decide who gets permits, explicit death threats often aren’t enough for a law-abiding person to get one. Living in high-crime neighborhoods is considered irrelevant.

My research has demonstrated that the two groups that benefit the most from carrying guns are the likeliest victims of crime (poor blacks in high-crime urban areas) and people who are physically weaker (women and the elderly). Dozens of published peer-reviewed studies find similar results.

If the media elites spent more time outside their protective bubbles, they might realize how misplaced their fears of permit holders are. According to a study in Police Quarterly, criminal convictions of police are rare compared with the general public. But permit holders are convicted at less than one-sixth the rate of police officers.

Police are the most important factor in stopping crime, but the police almost always arrive on the scene after an offense has occurred. In the past few years those who benefit the most from carrying concealed handguns have been getting them.

Correct me if I am wrong, but pretty sure registered gun owners are responsible for less than 1/10th of a percentile of homicides in our country. This is what irks me about people who are pushing gun control. It's like they are truly insane? It is like they do not understand that wishing for something doesn't make it so.

And the biggest fattest elephant in the room is that if you take out black on black crime, the United States has a murder rate the same as Switzerland. And obviously, none of those guns used are registered... and none of those men have conceal and carry permits.

>>160918

Thanks for the article and is that the entire article (there’s a paywall at the link)?

>The numbers show how out of sync the media capitals—California, New York and the District of Columbia—are with the rest of the country.

The anti-gun philosophy is completely illogical and wholly unsupportable and it’s believers are fundies no different then Born Again bible thumpers who insist that Adam & Eve rode dinosaurs to church, as neither of these bat shit crazy groups will accept any evidence or data that goes against the dogma of their insane cult.

Holy s*** this may be one of the best postingz in /news ever. Not because of the content but because of how you posted it. You get gold stars, pats on the back, and a hundred percent on your test. Please stay here in /news and continue to contribute meaningfully.

Also, this article is awesome. Eye opening and awesome. I would of had no idea who else is getting them and why.

>>160918
>Far more people carry guns today than in 2007, when there were only 4.6 million permits. Thirteen states now no longer require a permit to carry in all or most of the state. Eight of those 13 states made the change in the last two years.

I'm happy the NRA is so effective in protecting and advancing 2nd amendment rights. It only make me wish there was a similar organization dedicated to the 4th which has been absolutely been made a mockery of over the last few decades.

>>160919

Is this post part of the article or your own comments?

>>160930
Yes it is the whole thing

>>160928
Perhaps we should make it harder for the non-registered, and felons to buy guns.

>>160930
>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/
A large majority of Americans support universal background checks.

>>160957
we already do.

The left lost the gun warz.
There litterally is no way for them to stop guns become more popular and welcoming.

They can get all the niggers and cunts they want to stage sit ins in congress but at the end of the day gun laws will become more free.

>>160959
Wierd, why isnt this study linked on the page? It says see the next page but no link to that either? More importantly why is it that something that was already the law is being pushed as new? Why do people with 0 understanding of the issue talk about legal private sales as though its some magical loophole transaction that doesnt have a paper trail with legal reprecutions for a seller selling a gun to someone they shouldnt? I assume its private/gunshow sales being discussed since background checks were already universal for liscensed sellers

>>160928
About 20% is registered gun owners. Of the other 80%, 15 percent of those were stolen by gun owners who never reported losing their gun, so irresponsible registered gun owners.

If you start saying certain U.S. citizens shouldn't be counted in data concerning U.S. crime then you should identify a subset of the Swiss population to cut out as well. Massaging data is unethical and doesn't solve the problem.

"A 2000 report from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms found that in 1998, more than 85 percent of gun dealers had no guns used in crimes trace back to them. By contrast, 1 percent of dealers accounted for nearly 6 in 10 crime gun traces that year.

The firearms bureau knows exactly who these gun dealers are — but they're not allowed to share that information with policymakers or researchers due to a law passed by Congress in 2003. As a result, solutions for stanching the flow of guns from these dealers to crime scenes remain frustratingly out of reach for public-health researchers"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.6652ebbe5e2b

>>161010
>Washington Post
That bias tho

>>160957
> Perhaps we should make it harder for the non-registered, and felons to buy gun

Most guns used in crime have been stolen and sold/traded thru multiple hands, thus are not affected by any gun laws.

>>160959
> A large majority of Americans support universal background checks.

A large majority of Americans don’t know shit, since as I pointed out just above, most crime guns are stolen and any additional gun regulations only affect the already law abiding with increased costs and hassles.

Like all “gun control” schemes, the goal is eliminating legal civilian gun ownership, crime doesn’t have anything to do with it.

>>160918

>concealed handgun permits

That is unconstitutional and I carry without one. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say "unless some liberal faggot says you can't have it."

>>160957
If you are a felon, a registered criminal, you already cannot buy a firearm legally.

All you are doing with these restrictions is fucking over the gun hobbyists and appeasing liberal constituencies by saying "Look how mad they are, it must be working!"

This is literally the only thing that half of america and the NRA are trying to tell folk.

>>161290
And before someone hops on my dick about the NRA, I know they suck ass, they're not going to do stuff like repeal import bans, but the thing is, the corporations want to sell guns, we want to buy guns, and I don't see much of a conflict of interest in that.

>The rate of growth in permits among women and minorities has far outpaced growth among white men.
And then the NRA reverted back to being pro-gun control in order to keep guns away from non-whites.

>>161391

Oddly enough that isn't farfetched since the NRA has taken pro-gun control positions in the past (the Gun Control Act of 1968, passed in the wake of JFK's assassination). They also occasionally take protectionist stances, siding with (or remaining silent about) weapon import bans. Like >>161296 says, the NRA can be a pretty shifty organization and isn't always out for the best interests of gun owners (like /k/, who just wants to have fully-automatic fun with slavshit) and are really out to make money for American gun manufacturers.

>>161401
I know and that's why I don't take them seriously on anything because they'll flip flop on it pretty quick.

>>161401
>>161417

>Oddly enough that isn't farfetched since the NRA has taken pro-gun control positions in the past

I should be quick to remind you that this was quite a while ago, and positions do change. There -was- a time when the Democrat and Republican parties were essentially polar opposites of what they are now.

Again, while we don't always get what we want when we deal with the NRA, they're the biggest and most well-funded force on our side and our best chance of rolling back some of the most retarded shit that you see in New York and California. I'm willing to deal with their being in the pocket of big gun manufacturers when those same companies have the same goal I do, being able to buy/sell a nice AR and standard cap magazines down the line and for the lefties to fuck off and do something more productive.

>>160962

You cannot have socialism and communism without banning guns and outlawing self defense.

Marxism just doesn't work if the people can fight back against the state

>>161436
Actually, that's not true. Marxism encourages individual ownership of firearms as a way of ensuring that a totalitarian state will not stay in power for long. If anything, widespread gun ownership is needed for a successful worker revolt. If you notice, it's the big-money liberals - media whores, CEO's, the leisure class - who cannot stand gun ownership, because it's the only true threat to their current status and control of the system.
You're probably just going to insult me and spew out more dogma, because you are a well-trained monkey who knows that communism is evil because Ronald Reagan said so, but I encourage you to put that aside and actually think about the issue instead of abiding by the usual us-vs-them mentality ingrained in you by the Jewish media owners who feed /pol/ its propaganda.

>>161436
This is the big mistake most /pol/lacks make involving communism: they assume it's about state control rather than individual control. In communism, there is no "state". The means of production is owned by the masses. An example would be a car company where the only shareholders are the employees of the company, and there is no board of trustees; rather, decisions are made democratically and each employee gets a vote. The benefits of the labour is shared equally by those who laboured. As opposed to the current system, where you drag yourself to work every day so some fatass makes money off your sweat and every month he pays you a fraction of the money he spent on whores and cocaine in one weekend.
Now, see, if the masses own guns, and live in a communal society, then when a fat cat such as that rises into power, he gets a chunk of lead between the eyes as severance pay and his salary and profits go back in the pockets of the workers. In true communism, the individual is allowed to keep his liberty, gets rewarded evenly for how much he works, doesn't slave away for a master, and leads a happier, more fulfilling life. Communism and liberty are not as exclusive as you think.

>>161668
>>161665
>>161436
Let's not derail a productive thread arguing about gommunism.

>>161428
It's always big money on both sides, isn't it? You'd think with all the talk about the internet democratizing mass media populist movements would be more common, but the most recent one I can think of is Occupy and that got BTFO so hard people barely even remember it less than 10 years later.

>>161668
The intermediate stage between capitalism and communism is likely to have strong state and gun control if it's led by a vanguard (and i honestly don't see a revolution happening without a vanguard). The majority of the population would still be reactionary during this time and leaving them with guns would make them able to lead a counter-revolution.

>>161668
>>161665

All socialist countries inevitably ban guns and outlaw self defense.

No matter what you say, your argument is always "it's not real socialism/communism"

>>161704

No kidding. Can't have those pesky folks that don't agree with the glorious workers' revolution arming to prevent their wealth getting redistributed.

They say the end goal is no state, no dictators, but when the state and dictators are set up to move that revolutionary fever dream along, they don't really go away.