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Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing

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IQs have largely increased since the 1930s thanks to better living conditions and education - a trend known as the Flynn effect
But IQ test results suggest people in the UK, Denmark and Australia have become less intelligent in the past decade
Opinion is divided as to whether the downwards trend is long-term
Some studies have shown the average IQ of Westerners has plunged 10 points or more since Victorian times and others claim it will keep decreasing
But other experts argue that even if we are becoming more stupid, better healthcare and technology means the 'problem' will regulate itself

ARE BRITISH TEENAGERS BECOMING LESS INTELLIGENT?
Tests carried out in 1980 and in 2008 showed that the average 14-year-old was two IQ points cleverer in 1980, according to a study published in 2009.
Scientists found that performance dropped the most dramatically in teenagers in the upper half of the intelligence scale, The Telegraph reported.
Brighter teens who took part in the study in 2008 were on average six IQ points less intelligent than their counterparts tested 28 years earlier.
Professor Fynn said the results could be the result of less intelligent youth culture.
He used data gathered in IQ tests on UK children and found that children aged between five and 10 saw their IQs increase by half a point per year over three decades.

'Other studies have shown how pervasive teenage youth culture is, and what we see is parents' influence on IQ slowly diminishing with age,' he said.
'...What we know is that youth culture is now more visually orientated around computer games than they are in terms of reading and holding conversations.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html
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Surely this has nothing to do with massive third world immigration.
Nope. Can't possible be that IQ is declining because 50% of British children are inbred braindead Pakis.
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>>158599
I read a theory on "the social evolution of the brain". Basically, the brain takes a lot of energy to run, and our bodies tend to want to use as little energy as possible. Since many modern people do not need to expend nearly as much effort as in the past to obtain food, shelter, etc., they don't need the extra processing/problem solving power anymore.

It sounds brosciency/vaguely reactionary, but I don't know enough about evolution to dispute it.
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>>158602
A few hundred years of Socialism and the human race will devolve their brain completely.
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>>158609
>Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. Conflict and death are the very essence of manhood.

Socialist would love that.

They seek to pacify the human spirit.

Yet humans do best when they are fighting.

When ourguys like Bannon say how they want to tear down the post WWII order, it's because they understand that pacifism and lack of conflict/death makes men weak.

There is nothing more glorious than to march to battle and annihilate your enemy down to their last pathetic mewling infant, and take their wealth as your own.
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>>158613
True. We all know what the globalists really want is the total enslavement of humanity.
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this isn't news and the article is from 2014
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>>158609
>>158613
>>158616

Alex Jones plz
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>>158609
qft, nothing promotes brain development like malnutrition, childhood disease, chronic stress and lack of public education
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>>158624
Nothing promotes de-evolution like running a massive government funded breeding program for people that are too dumb to survive on their own.
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Here's a thought. Remove internet capabilities from smartphones and hide calculators until teens are in their mid-20s. Maybe that will teach them how to communicate and read.

Oh, and >>158613#, your LARP is showing.
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>>158627
>a massive government funded breeding program
sex ed, family planning, abortion, and free contraceptives are suddenly a breeding program

>that are too dumb to survive on their own.
Who?
What is that even supposed to mean?
Are you really so delusional that you think the poor are all uniformly poor because it's their fault and the rich are rich because they deserve it? How much of your life do you actually deserve,? Almost everything you have living in the US is a product of pure lucky coincidence.

And how does relegating the poor to abject poverty and threatening those in the middle class (a class to which downward social mobility still applies) make the problem go away? Will they all just disappear?

Capitalism is good to an extent because profit incentive and competition promote productivity and innovation, to an extent. Not because it's some ethical good. Bringing "deserving" into this is totally nonsense, considering the range of conditions one could find themselves in, the vast majority of people don't deserve most of what they have. Nor is it a panacea for the problem of poverty.
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>>158613
>>158609
Whenever I see videos of how people live in the third world, all I can think about is all the liberals who say they can't "survive" on less than $5 an hour roasting on a spit in hell.

Even here, in the beating heart of the new right, you can see libs crying about how mean the Republicans are for not letting people buy steak and lobster with their foodstamps. American liberalism is the most cowardly, hypocritical, spoiled, depraved philosophy ever to infect this world.
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>>158599
>have shown the average IQ of Westerners has plunged 10 points
>shown the average IQ
>average IQ

GOD DAMMIT I MAD YOU FUCKING DUMB NIGGERS
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>>158600
Uh it's clearly white people's fault
Didn't you see those pictures of black people reading books or buying computer parts

I mean come on its 2017
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>>158636
>have shown the average IQ of Westerners has plunged 10 points

Makes no sense. If the average is 100 then unceasing or decreasing it is still...100.

If everyone is mensa-tier 150+ Iq then a small village o them would if only considering them as an example the average is still 100 and everyone above or below would score based on that.
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>>158599
Not terribly surprising, the level of wealth inequality today is absolutely insane, and as a result people have become more alienated- the ruling class is essentially attempting to domesticate the working class and rob us of our humanity. Its especially funny how people like /pol/ fail to understand the systemic issues and instead blame the problems in ridiculous scapegoats while advocating for an even harsher system that would exacerbate the problem- ironically, they are the most "bluepilled" people around.
>>158600
Whites are actually BELOW the average in the UK these days, immigrants are actually bringing the average IQ UP. Nigerians in particular score far higher than whites- so much for the "master race".
>>158609
Quite the opposite- socialism aims to eliminate the alienation that comes as a result of wage labor, its the real "red pill"
>>158624
Sounds like you're describing capitalism there fampai
>>158640
See above, whites are below the average. So its either a systemic issue, or white people really are part of the problem, which is it? :^)
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>>158599
you are seriously posting a 2014 article
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>>158646

This is currently the most retarded post on this entire site
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There's just more people now.
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>>158599

With the advent of the the TV many stopped reading, and can only handle their info in 30min bursts. With the advent of social media many people stopped living lives, and began mirroring lives. Through that homogenization the average persons attention span went down to about 3min click bait. You seriously think you can get more intelligent in such an environment? People need alone time to think without distractions, and then need to come together to discuss ideas. Nowadays there is no alone time, and even if there was there is way too many distractions we allow. So, you get surface chatter, and a shortened attention span. If you keep people busy they will cease to think, and only react. I think this was the intent at least in the end how it is used.
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>>158674
So were you planning on making an argument or are ad-hominems the best you can do?
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I have spent 5 minutes on this board and this thread is enough to conclude that you guys are completely retarded
>False OP image used
>Misunderstanding of how IQ works
>No proof on any claims in OP
>Article is dailymail
>Article from 3 years ago
>Claim in OP literally contradicting image posted

Also the fact that it's impossible for average IQ not to be 100 yet the majority of the replies in this thread are serious

You'd think you were in /pol/
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>>158690
Kinda obvious
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why is this thread still here

this is a news board
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>>158613
Then do it, you massive faggot. Stand for what you mouth off about. Be the first to march into the streets and prepare yourself to fight socialists, liberals or whoever the fuck you see as your worst enemy.
Sacrifice your sense of safety. Sacrifice yourself or you're a shit-talking commie.
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>>158646
Can I see some proof?
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>>158741
About which part specifically? The stuff about wealth inequality is related to the Flynn effect which the OP mentioned- the fact that IQ is directly tied to one's education and quality of life. The most blatant example of this would be Chinese-Americans, who in the 60s scored 7 points lower than whites on average, yet today they score considerably higher than whites, which comes as a result of the tremendous improvement of their living conditions throughout the 20th century- unless you're so ridiculous as to believe that they underwent some massive mutation within the past few decades.
If you meant the part about whites in the UK performing below the national average, give this a read http://archive.is/hRxGW
Personally I loathe that sort of collectivist categorization of individuals on the basis of ethnicity (the chart that shows a tremendous shift in academic performance from 2003 to 2011 is proof alone that ethnicity isn't the deciding factor of intelligence), but its fun to point out to racists that the data directly contradicts their claims
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>>158600
Why do people always blame others...
now i can see why the argument is true,
people really are stupid like this one here.
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>>158646
did you read these statistics on buzzfeed or something? they aren't supported by any actual evidence that I can find. In fact nearly everything that comes up suggests the opposite: that racial gaps in standardized testing and IQ are as strong as ever, with most minorities and non-whites lagging behind by significant margins.
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>>158754
>Why do people always blame others...
Sometimes others are to blame.
This possibility must be investigated rationally.
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>>158599
this is all to do with automation and convenience. We have no reason as a whole to remain intelligent when everything is done for us. Intelligence is not needed to conceive children. Intelligence to a degree wasn't needed when pushing mammoths off a cliff either because numbers always secured food or safety for our ancestors.
Intelligence was something more required for explaining the world around us. Now that's been done we can go back to being stupid sperm banks
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>>158599
Illuminati is involved
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>>158697
The deletion bot is on the fritz.
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>>158705
You appear to be angry over an anonymous sources thoughts and words. Consider yourself trolled and call it a day.
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>>158641
They might be talking about the old way of doing it or comparing scores to older years
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i think teens are becoming dumber because of the education system itself because

1. public school makes you wake up very early so you can't think straight.and home takes up the rest of that day so you can't just sleep earlier.

2.you answer problems,then you memorise the problem's answers ,then you forget about it because after that test you don't need it anymore ,not even for getting a job or a career.

you probably have heard this before but still nothing as changed.
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>>158865
IQ loss actually correlates very well with immigration.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/berlin-gets-bad-news-from-pisa/
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Literally less smart people breeding and dumbs taking the world. If people are getting less smart its in the sense of not having kids.
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>>158599
on an unrelated note, nonwhite populations are increasing in white countries
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>>158867
>https://www.unz.com/akarlin/berlin-gets-bad-news-from-pisa/
What a nonsense article. Not every american has an IQ that is the average of their country and not every pakistani or african or native american or chinese has an IQ the average of their respective countries.
Obviously immigrants will tend to be higher IQ than native born of their country after vetting.
Indians and Pakistanis are the same race, both come from developing countries, but in the UK Indians have the same poverty rates as native born and in the US they have the highest median household income of any ethnic group.
Not to mention, as many of these countries develop, the Flynn effect will raise the average just as it has elsewhere in the world. If you take someone from a country where they suffer chronic malnutrition, childhood disease is typical, public education is low quality, and place them in a developed country, there will certainly exist a significant difference in outcomes.
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>>158646
>More communism will fix declining IQ don't worry goyim!

Fuck off anytime.
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>>159037
Pretty much this. It's expensive as fuck to immigrate to the United States through normal means. Sure, you can marry into it, but who wants to marry an American anyways?
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>>158646
found the commie faggot.
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I read a study that was done in this in Iceland that suggested that the IQ drop was due to some form of natural selection. The gist of it was that people with a certain gene that was associated with increased levels of education tended to have fewer kids. Those without that gene, on the other hand, tended to have more kids. The association existed regardless of ACTUAL educational attainment and seemed to be related only to the presence of that specific gene.
Here's a writeup on it: http://nordic.businessinsider.com/icelandic-study-reveals-that-natural-selection-is-causing-a-decline-in-human-education-genes-2017-1/
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>>158646

>Nigerians in particular score far higher than whites

This might be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read on the internet. You should feel bad.
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>>158646
>Wealth inequality is the sole cause of IQ disparity
IQ is supposed to be an unbiased measure of a person's ability to think, reason and solve problems in a reasonable time frame, all of which should be independent of their status in life. Now we can argue about how unbiased the test really is, but on its face IQ should be unaffected by differences in wealth or status of individuals.

>Whites are dragging the minorities down in the UK
Legal immigrants are always going to outperform the average member of a native population. During the selection process you tend to pick people with higher intelligence/education to allow in and block those without any formal training. If you want to compare the average intelligence of native Nigerians and native British then you would need to look at the entire population descended from those countries and not just those that reside within one country or another. Considering the average IQ in Nigeria is 84 compared to the UKs 100, I think we all know what the outcome of that comparison will be.

>Socialism is the magic bullet for IQ and wealth inequality
Extreme, unfettered capitalism and communism will end in a ruling class controlling most of the resources and the poor reduced to a destitute working class. Socialism is a possible middle ground, but there are others which are equally valid. There is some truth to the argument that by supporting the dregs of society we are allowing negative traits to pass on to future generations, though that is much to slippery a slope to argue for this thread.

Also, the only true "red pill" is that life is inherently unfair and while we may be able to artificially create circumstances in which it is more even, there will never be a system where equal opportunity leads to equal outcome.
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>>159181
Then it's a good thing the real world doesn't agree with your idea of 'dumb', eh?

https://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
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>>159282
The average IQ of Nigeria is 84. That's below what the army considers minimal functioning.
They are completely useless.
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>>159282
>You cant lump all blacks together, it should be divided by tribe
Fair point. There are tribes in africa that are pretty smart. However later in the article:
>Nigerians who have the money and drive to escape nigeria are clearly the average for Nigerians because they are all Nigerian.
Is where the thing falls apart. It only takes a group that absolutely must be 2 standard deviations to the right to even exist (subsaharan africans legally emigrating west). It doesnt even follow its own data in places, claiming somalian populations in western countries are improving by citing a chart showing them getting worse.

Why is this thread still alive? Its blatant trolling with an ancient news article.
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IQ tests are stupid
a really bad meme
fucking autists literally study to the IQ test and score highly to inflate their own ego and racial superiority
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