State rebellion against Trump over climate change is different

>Having recently enjoyed the "rockets' red glare" on July 4, our Declaration of Independence came to mind as a way to understand the evolving, and distinctly different, approaches to addressing climate change that are emerging in the United States.

>As several states take climate-change matters into their own hands, firmly believing their environment, public health and economies will be much better off by addressing the problem head-on, it's easy to imagine them sending a letter to a president whose administration has been openly hostile to any attempts to limit greenhouse gases. It begins, "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them ..."

>Of course, states' rights have long been contentious on many issues — slavery and the Civil War being the most obvious break between our levels of government in America. Since then, people have taken to the streets, and it was their state leaders who subsequently took the first action, on issues as diverse as marriage equality and clean air. But the climate debate is different in two fundamental ways.

>Climate is a new kind of states' rights issue

>First, state governments are not just acting for, and among, themselves, but they are essentially brokering international treaties with foreign governments. Just since early June, when President Trump announced his withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement, a dozen states representing a third of our population created the U.S. Climate Alliance, which has pledges from Mexico and Canada to collaborate. Co-founder of the Alliance, California Gov. Jerry Brown, wasted no time raising climate issues with China's President Xi Jinping when he visited Beijing last month, laying the groundwork for state-to-nation agreements and mutual assistance to achieve shared goals.

>States are partnering with cities and other stakeholders, too. Nine states have joined together with thousands of cities, companies, and educational institutions to form "We Are Still In" (referring to members' intentions to fulfill the commitments made in the Paris agreement) and a recent meeting of mayors in Miami was highlighted by more than 300 cities representing 65 million people pledging to be "Climate Mayors" and setting out ways they will help the U.S. comply with the Paris deal in local fact, if not in federal policy.

>The second way in which this declaration of states' independence is different from other breaks with the federal government is that their leaders are acting on solid science and economics, while our federal government is basing its policies on shortsighted politics and benefits for the few. Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered two compelling arguments along these lines at a recent climate change policy forum.

>The second way in which this declaration of states' independence is different from other breaks with the federal government is that their leaders are acting on solid science and economics, while our federal government is basing its policies on shortsighted politics and benefits for the few. Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered two compelling arguments along these lines at a recent climate change policy forum.

>"There are around seven million people dying from air pollution every year," said Schwarzenegger. "It is government's responsibility to protect the people. It doesn't make anysense to be all worried about, 'When is ISIS going to come to America?' or all those kind of things, when in fact you are killing in America over 200,000 people every year, when you think about the health care [related to air pollution]. No one talks about that."

>Schwarzenegger went on to talk about the economic reasons that states and cities are bucking the feds on climate policies. "California has the strictest environmental laws, but at the same time we are number one in economic growth in America," he said.

>The numbers bear him out. One recent study showed the economically depressed (and largely conservative, Trump-voting) Central Valley of California has reaped over $13 billion of economic benefits from state climate policies, including renewable energy and energy efficiency projects, the cap-and-trade market on carbon emissions, and climate-friendly agricultural practices.

>By contrast, President Trump rolled back the Clean Power Plan and regulations that prevented coal mine waste from being dumped into streams and rivers that supply drinking water to the miners he has so often claimed to "love," moves that only serve to protect the profits of major energy companies.

>He continues to be a vocal supporter of burning more coal, despite overwhelming evidence against the economics — a Harvard study estimates the cost of coal to the U.S. economy at up to $500 billion/year and many of those costs burden states that are not taking climate change seriously (in conservative Trump-voting regions of the south and east) with things like public health costs and crop damage.

>Noted physicist Stephen Hawking recently concluded that "Trump's action could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of 250 degrees and raining sulfuric acid. Climate change is one of the great dangers we face, and it's one we can prevent if we act now."

>Our founders based policy on science and facts and would have called Mr. Hawking's statements "self-evident." Other such truths that the founders valued were "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." States and cities with progressive climate policies, ignoring their myopic federal government, are more likely to deliver those values to their citizens, while communities that fail to heed the growing alarm bells are likely to suffer the exact opposite.

Where are the State's Rights campaigners?

Where are all the Hamilton fans decrying the weakening of Federalism?

Commiefornia wants to be part of Communist China?
Wow what a surprise.

>>156480
/pol/tard doesn't know how to fucking read? wow what a surprise.

Europe here
It is incredible to see how isolated US has become from the rest of the world. Essentially the most powerfull nation on earth is a rogue state at this point, lead be the most dangerous organisation in human history (GOP).

>>156829
>Europe here
>It is incredible to see how isolated US has become from the rest of the world. Essentially the most powerfull nation on earth is a rogue state at this point, lead be the most dangerous organisation in human history (GOP).

The us has always been isolated from Europe dumbass

>>156887
>Truman Doctrine, what's that?
>NATO, what's that?
>Marshall Plan, what's that?

>>156829
>Europe here
>I don't like America

what an interesting post. please get off my country's website.

>>156829
>USA
>rogue state
Considering we are the ones who have defended your cuck asses, making your shitty little continent not a giant ball of war torn hell since the 40s I'd argue the opposite, and that Europe is the rogue state in turning into socialist scum.

>>156896
Not talking about post-wo2. Talking about right now. Nato has become sort of a delean league. Ready to be called in after US makes mess of things like Iraq or Afganistan. US is isolated, on climate on Israel, on basic topics im domestic policy(healthcare). After Trump win it was sweet tasting 'them liberal salty tears' (even though Hillary was a slittering serpent). But right now it's time for average joe blue collar American to bent over en prepare his anus. The corparate dick will enter his butthole once more.

>>156829
Seeing as how western Europe is currently going right down the shitter, I don't see this as a problem. Yes, global warming is a real concern, but saying Europe ought to be emulated is like saying Chris Brown is a model husband because his words are soulful. Want a real solution? Get on that science, because we're going to need a revolution in technology, not regulation, to beat global warming.

>>156897
Love America, just not it's political class. Not the powercatering media like CNN (war profiteers) or Fox (screeching ultra-nationalist flagfuckers). Feel bad for poor americunts being spoonfed their propaganda day. My advice: stop being such thread to world peace.

>>156912
Western Europe is not going down the shitter. Not by Muslims, not by refugees, not by EU. Right wing extremist party's have been excluded from government just about everywhere. Britain is out but they were a hinderance anyway. On climate change we need technology AND regulation. Regulation can be a great incentive for technology as well.

>>156915
So much fear of the right wing, so little fear of those who litterally shout death to you and your kin.

Europes soul is already dead. It's people have no wisdom, lack pride in themselves or their history, lack a fighting spirit, lack meaning or will to fight for goodness. Europe will, like it always has, succumb to government control and tyranny.

>>156829

Enjoying your massive taxes, nanny state, and rapefugeed?

>>156918
It was the right wing that brought government controll and tyranny. So fear of it is justified.

'Europe lost its soul etc'

Generic crap.

>>156920
Enjoying crumbling infrastructure? Military industrial complex? Surveillance state? Coporate government? Rust belt? Increasing child mortality?

Btw no such thing as rapefugees. There are rapist and some may very well be refugees. Please read less propaganda

>>156921
>Right wing brought the tyranny

Between the EU controlling your trade and production, the state infringing on your rights to think and speak freely, zero weapon ownership, and no control of who enters your counties. You are your own worst enemies.

>>156923

You're either shareblue or a numale

No one can be this blue pilled without an agenda

>>156923
>Surveillance state
Kek, no one in the US gets jailed for stating obvious problems with refugees on twitter

>>156936
No kidding. We're pretty bad in the surveillance department, but nowhere near "Arresting people for illegal opinions." like the euros are doing.

>>156933
the ironic reality is that conservative "redpillers" are hilariously bluepilled in their own blissfully ignorant propaganda fantasyland of anecdotal stories, grossly manipulated statistics, and alternative facts.

>>156936
No one in Europe does either.

>>157022
Look it up first and come back, I think you might be surprised

>>156950
Where in Europe are people arrested for having opinions? Here in Netherlands we got islamophobe freedom hating cancercell with 20 seats in parlement.

>>157023
I'd like you to tell me

The single most dangerous issue right now is the US isolating itself on climate change. The brainwashing by right wing corporate America has frightfully effective with terrifying consequences.

>>157023
retard

>>157027
How can you isolate yourself from something that doesn't exist?

>>157031
Proving my point with that comment.

>>157027
>The single most dangerous issue right now is the US isolating itself on climate change
No it isn't
1, the US isn't isolated
2, the states and individuals can do what the fuck they want now, be that being harsher on emissions or not
Seems to me like you're the same guy that posted about how only right wing people are to blame for all the world's evils

>>157025
Germany and the UK mostly

>>157028
>>157026
>Won't look up the information yourself
>name calling

Are these the enlightened self annointed liberal euros I've heard so much about?

>>157077
I'm not liberal
If one makes a bold statement on some topic, one should suply the evidence for it. One should not place the burden of proof (of his own statement that is!) on hos oponnent.

>>157087
Look it up. This isn't kindergarten. Better for you to determine yourself

>>157090
I have determined your full of shit. Nowhere in Europe are people getting locked up stating 'obivious' problems with refugees on twitter. If this is not kindergarten then back up your claims precious yankee.

>>157118
>I'm not going to look it up
>I've decided youre full of shit

Are you all this dense?

>>157121
Different anon here. I put in "UK arrests for twitter posts" and "German arrests for twitter posts". Not hard.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html
https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297128/matthew-doyle-arrest-muslim-tweet-brussels
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-British-arrest-people-for-Twitter-comments
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/02/social_media_arrests_up_37pc_london_section_127_communications_act/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/in-britain-police-arrest-twitter-and-facebook-users-if-they-make-anti-muslim-statements-2013-5
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/07/police-raid-social-media-posts/
https://www.therebel.media/berlin_police_raid_apartments_and_arrest_residents_for_anti_refugee_posts_on_social_media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687988/Germany-conducts-nationwide-raids-online-hate-postings.html

>>157121
It is very simple. Back. Your. Bullshit. Up. Good luck fire pantsie

>>157125
Meant to reply to >>157118

>>157126
Doyle tweeted: "I confronted a Muslim women [sic] yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said "Nothing to do with me" a mealy mouthed reply."

>>157125
None of of those articles are about critizing refugees. They're about hate speech (has been illigal for decades) inciting violence, holocaust denial etc. I visit plenty of dutch forums in which regular cristism is voiced ALL the time.

>>157137
Doyle tweeted: "I confronted a Muslim women [sic] yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said "Nothing to do with me" a mealy mouthed reply."

This is what the EU considers hate speech is the point. They basically don't have free speech at all.

But hey, I live in a country where I can be arrested for misgendering someone so who am I to judge?

>>157139
"Following discussion with the Crown Prosecution Service, Mr Doyle is no longer charged with the offence and will not be appearing at court."

Got arrested by overzealous policing. No prosicution no conviction no nothing.

Furthermore EU does not hold any jurisdiction over hate speech laws or criminal laws in general. National governments do, and this won't change anytime soon. The incident occured in Brittain.

>>157137
That's literally what Anon was arguing about earlier.

You're saying you knew about it??? What a thick euro

>>157036
you never had a point in your life

>>157155
"Kek, no one in the US gets jailed for stating obvious problems with refugees on twitter"

This is what was stated. Implying that people in Europe getting jailed for stating 'obvious' problems with refugees. If you think that in inciting hatred, violence e.a is the same as 'stating obvious problems' you need some extra contemplation.

>>157172
A man was arrested for a tweet that had no indication of hate speech whatsoever. How often does that happen over there?

>>157172
>Be Eurocuck
>Allow millions of Africans and Arabs into the EU unchecked
>Rates of terror attacks immediately skyrocket
>Murder and sexual abuse, genital mutilation, rape rates continue to climb
>Watch people become upset
>People begin to voice their dissatisfaction on Twitter, vent their anger
>Solution? Jailtime and fines. That'll solve it.

You people are so fucking stupid, kek

>>157181
He wasn't persecuted or convicted so no jail for stupid asshole. As was stated by Anon above

>>157183
Refuges did not go in unchecked.
Were not millions
Terror attacks increased but did not skyrocket.
Terror is directly linked Western (US plus some european bitches) policies in Middle east, First wave (early 2000) in london en Madrid was direct consequence of war on Iraq. Second wave (last 3 years) because of bombing of ISIS.
Most terror attacks were carried by people born and raised in Europe not by refugees.
Syrian refugees are result of civil war in Syria caused by US proxy's and US itself who want regime change of disobediant Assad.
US completely destabelised Iraq, thereby directly radicalizing iraqi society and let ISIS fill powervacuum.

US government, European bitches, US proxy's in Middle East (SA, Qatar) bear DIRECT responsibility for refugee crisis to Europe.

Do to climate change and ensuing desertivication in Middle East and mainly Africa, chaos will ensue and crisis intensifies.

Thanx Murica, thanks Western governments.

Cool. I live in Texas, and have no problem with California fucking itself over as long as their citizens don't move here afterwards.

Not really sure why this is meant to be such "haha owned Grumpftistas!" moment. It doesn't affect anyone unless they happen to live in one of these states, in which case they are free to vote for or against a candidate that pushes it.

Continue to be assmad as Texas and other states make it extremely difficult for people to get abortions though :3.

>>157202
Get your analysis and reason out of here, cuck

>>157205
Of course not silly

>>157202
>Refugees did not come in unchecked
They're litterally pouring in on NGO boats in the thousands, wandering the streets of South France and Italy

Whatever. Blame the west for your problems. It won't matter, you're unsalvageable because you have no will to save yourself.

You're all faggots.

>>156923
>Survaliance state

My country MAY be spying on me but that's okay. My country IS spying on you, no question about it. As much as we distrust our own we distrust you more.

You don't have privacy, as a nation we keep this secret, but we all saw what happened at your last birthday and laugh about it.
The world knows all your secrets. If you burry your head in the sand, you will never find out we know everything, some call this privacy.

Washington does control the world. Just pick a three letter agency and bow in fear. For most of us their is nothing that can be done to stop them. Accountability is a lie, it is not how we live merely just a punishment for those who disrupt "real work".

>End lunatic rant.

>>157199
How often do people get arrested for that sort of thing though. It's pretty disgusting that people are being arrested over innocuous speech.

>>156829

American here. Shut your filthy fucking cuck mouth you eurotrash nigger lover. Go back to fluffing Ahmed and Muhammad to run a train on your little sister, kike.

>>156923

>i go to prison if I say the LOLocaust didn't happen
>b-but burger police shoot niggers (and that's bed because...)

>>157204

>Not really sure why this is meant to be such "haha owned Grumpftistas!" moment.

The left went hysterical. They see logic, reason, and facts as "white supremacy."

>>157022
Retard

>>157199
Yeah just being arrested and shamed won't make a person/people "check there privilege" before daring to voice an opinion and encourage any frustrated citizens into acts of self-censoring

>>158309
>They see logic, reason, and facts as "white supremacy."

The vast majority of the caricatured boogeyman known as the left doesn't think this and it's telling how much time you spend in your bubble.

It's also telling that this is the person the "right" has to argue with to make themselves feel argumentatively superior. It used to be that discourse was limited to constructive discussion and reasonable responses, but now it's more about "le epic SJW takedown" and reaffirming your own position.

It's a waste of brainpower and time and we now have a president who has difficulty reading or articulating simple thoughts because it's more about the other side being wrong than your side being right.

Wake the fuck up.

>>156829
Let the Yanks destroy themselves with their stupidity.

The replies you got demonstrate that they never really were our friends.

>>158779
Best post on the board tbh

>>158779
I think you are very correct. I think the change in discourse is mostly caused by how pervasive the media has become in our lives through the internet and social media. The media on both sides realized a while back that taking extreme positions is significantly more profitable than mindlessly repeating the facts of what happened. They focus on appeals to emotion, what their viewers would like to hear or get fired up about.

I don't think one side is more guilty than the other of these extremes, but I do think the right leads their supporters further away from what will benefit them. It is crazy to me that all these poor Republicans across the South, and across the Midwest for Trump too, are voting for agendas primarily based on tax cuts for the wealthy and decreased government spending, when they would be the largest beneficiaries of increased government spending.

>>158779

>The vast majority of the caricatured boogeyman known as the left doesn't think this

Did you know that most Democrats (more than 50%) believe, without any evidence to date, that Russia literally hacked the election and altered vote tallies?

>>159050
>>159070

>samefagging

You are a pathetic nigger lover, kike.