Science Division of White House Empty

>>154529
Useless honeypot jobs. I doubt they did anything useful, and there are hundreds more of these jobs that should be axed.

>>154533
>I doubt they did anything useful

Go ahead and tell me one thing they did. I'm sure you looked them up before making your judgement.

>>154529
>It's possible that the White House will handle these issues through staff in other divisions within the OSTP.
So it was redundant, good to know the pork is being cut.

>>154545
He just boosted the military budget by 50 billion dollars. The military who can already (ignoring nukes) literally fight a world war without allies and come out swinging. This is not an efficiency focused white house. This is an anti-science (exercise is a hoax, egt) president who literally thinks that scientist are not needed for anything.

>>154550
He might be anti some science but not all considering mining and drilling as well as the development of new weapons and space exploration take a great deal of scientific knowledge. You should clarify which area of science he is against because to say he is against all is incorrect.

A bit difficult to find someone who is educated, accredited, and experienced in useful subject matter, like is actually a scientist or who has managed scientific institutions and is also an early trump supporter in fully agreement with his cabinet's various positions of anti-vaccination, anti-contraceptive use, genesis is literally true, AGW denial, and anti-NIH funding.
Which has basically been his criteria for every other administration position (well, that and being a GOP donor).

That, and he is literally retarded enough to think scientific expertise is a hoax and unnecessary.

>>154533
Yeah, fuck the administrative state, why would a president need to seek input from scientific expertise when it comes to running a modern country, what a totally pointless endeavor.

Thank god, I've always said since my first (American) social studies class, the leader of any country should have lawyers, CEOs and politicians as his advisors, absolutely excluding scientists and doctors.

>>154554
> biology
Exercise hoax, anti-vaccine.

> geology
Cutting epa regulations against waste dumping while vowing to dismantle 90% of all reg's. His claims of climate change being a Chinese hoax and attempted registry of DOE employees who are not anti-climate change.

> social science/criminal justice
He thinks building a wall will stop illegal immigration on a border where tunnels are an everyday thing. Attempting to "protect America" by banning Muslims and saying he wants to "take out their families" on international television and thinking that is not recruitment propaganda for jihadist for the next 50 years.


Is he against everything, I don't have examples for every science branch. But I can confidently say he is retarded.

>>154544
You go right ahead and look it up. I don't care either way. "Policy makers" don't do shit fwi, worthless gov. beuracracy jobs given to party members who played the game.

>>154569
They create policy based on info to give to the president to consider. Maybe there's some kleptocracy, but is it really better to leave our science up to the politicians and CEO's who definitely have other interests they might protect over speaking up for our interests?

>>154569
Policy does nothing? That's the government's entire fucking job you dunce.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/02/climate/environmental-rules-reversed-trump-100-days.html

I'll just wait for you to look it up yourself after your faucet water is flammable and your kids have brain damage from eating vegetables from the grocery store.

>>154571
Everyone has an adgenda.

Is it better? Depends on the individual making the policy.

>>154573
So why don't we just throw our hands up in the air and not bother to vote? We have to take responsibility for our elected officials because they work for US. Not for them, they have to answer to US unless we just concede all power to them. Don't let logical cynicism trick you into letting go of the ideals that, however foolish, are still the only thing that keeps them from doing whatever they want all the time. I would rather have scientists advising my policy makers, not editors for the media.

>>154572
Policy maker jobs, not policy you fucking goon

>>154576
Idk what your getting at. I just think these, and probably alot more, government jobs and braches are worthless money holes

This guy
>>154578
just keeps parroting the same things without backing any of them up. Go fuck yourself if you actually want to sell this country to the politicians, and you're too spineless to even defend why, just defend your worthless ego by replying with fucking nothing.

>>154581
I can think they are worthless. You haven't proven otherwise.

You sound so upset right now, I'm sorry my opinions hurt your feelings. Maybe go watch some TV and come back when you've cooled off

>>154557
Don't forget businessmen! George W was all about putting businessmen at top positions, which is why he nominated Harriet Meyer for SCOTUS (look up that shitstorm) and Mike Brown to head FEMA (he ran a literal horse show-- literally that was his experience!).

>>154578
>probably alot more, government jobs and braches are worthless money holes
How'd you like the government shutdowns? That's when all the "nonessential" jobs (and thus services) were temporarily cut, and that was without seeing the long-term effects from not having policy officials or understaffers.

There's an Executive Oversight Office and two Congressional Oversight Committees, alongside several other internal and external auditors and reviewers who look for wasteful government positions and expenditures. The budgets and line-item expenses are even made available for public scrutiny! That's how we know Trump's SS's golf carts are all billed directly to Mar-a-Lago. It's these processes that ensures these positions are not haphazard -- not what you "just think" and "feel".

>>154590
Lol your understanding of businessmen is a charicature

>>154601
>>154583
That's all you got, eh? I guess the adult argument is over with, since you have nothing to offer except snark and drivel. Maybe if you graduated from grade school you might understand that adults reason with facts and informed positions. But, you know, just keep being rude, that will win you the argument every time.

>>154663
All you have are insults, shill. I really hope you get paid by the hour.

>>154529
khgbjkv

Calling out Bush for Meyer and Brown is so funny, two words Jack Lew. Obama appointed the COO of Citibank that headed the division that shorted the housing market. Point being, doesn't matter who is in office or who they appoint, always the same shit. Just don't think for a min that "your" party is appointing people that are any different. On either side. There is still a swamp and there will always be one.

>>154529
Science in general is a meme.

It's like saving money and then telling anyone they can take it.

Knowledge should not be spread around the world. The spread of knowledge only makes the world a more dangerous place.

Mr. Trump 's experts on global cooling theory are incompetent?
No wonder they still do not realize that phyto plankton dominates this earth?
Please tell his specialist to investigate sea surface temperature anomarly and chlorophyll a concentration,
nutrient salt at those abnormal points.

Oh, then tell them about the relationship between the submarine volcanic activity and the loss of solar activity.

If they still do not notice the truth,
they are fired.

>>154933
Get off your pc/mobile device/toaster this instant. Every aspect of your life depends on you or your caretakers enjoying free knowledge.

>>154529
>cut 9 people out of a 6 figure paycheck where all they do the whole day is shitpost on twitter

what's the problem?

>>154559
>social science

stop you mongoloid. that's not science, and it's pretty obvious you're putting this pseudo social policies in and masquerading it as "science" because you have no more convincing points.

>>154581
t. buttblasted cuck

It's okay anon, I'm sure Jamal will let you have at least an hour with your gf

>>154559
Don't forget health and nutrition with his weird, made-up beliefs about how the body converts food into energy and how clean fast food is

>>154578
Of course that's what you think because you don't really think for yourself. Your overlord makes a decision and you defend it regardless of your knowledge or understanding of the subject

>>155046
So you think all government positions are worth the money?

As someone who's worked in government, I can honestly tell you that's not the case and he is right

>>154601
I guess you're not old enough to remember W but that actually happened

>>155049
Of course not but science should be prioritized. You really think with how much the guy is making charging the secret service to stay at his facilities that he gives two fucks about the taxpayers' money?

>>155057
Considering how much money he already saved the country, his planned tax reductions, and the fact he's not taking a salary?

>>155041
>actually replying after 3 hours
You must be over 18 to post on 4chan

>>155062
He doesn't need to take a salary. He is enriching himself from his office.

>>155128
Do you have hard evidence to back up that assertion?

>>154933
Agreed. It is necessary to be very clear that to be conservative is not to war against liberalism, but intellectualism. Liberalism is but a symptom of this much deeper rot in our societal conciseness. The conservative spirit is thus will, faith, and action not the prattling of academics and effete scientist. It is, and has never been, based on intellect. I hope I will not be misunderstood. Conservatives should not be intellectuals. Conservatism combats, and must combat, without restraint, pity, or mercy, intellectualism--which is a sickness of the intellect from which all odious movements that seek to tear down society, such as liberalism, multiculturalism, or homosexuality, are spawned. Much like its child movements, intellectualism derives from the false belief that one can segregate oneself from life, to idle with systems of empty ideas, blind to the struggle of true humans who toil, bleed, suffer, and die. For those who understand, there is no place for thought, one must commit to action and feel, not see, the struggle of man against mystery, the effort to control nature, and the intensity of life.

Conservatism understands that; it disdains culture that is purely ornament and adornment, entertainment and trivialities meant to distract from the passions of life. Conservatism seeks a culture in which the spirit is armed and reinforced in order to prevail in ever-new battles. That is, and must be, our barbarism--a barbarity against the intellectual. It is a barbarism against science and, above all, against philosophy--but, let it be clearly understood, against the science and philosophy of decadents, of the spineless, of those who forever remain at the window and content themselves with criticism as if life's struggle was not the affair!

>mfw expecting me to provide chapter and verse for information that is freely available.

FFS even the ethics tzar resigned this week because he has given up warning the WH about ethics violations where the Trump family were enriching themselves by Donnie being president.

>>155134
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>>155131

>>155133
>Liberalism is but a symptom of this much deeper rot in our societal conciseness.
Liberalism and Conservatism are not caused by anything but being human.
Liberalism is reform minded, conservatism preservation minded.
There was never a point where any country didn't have liberalism or conservatism.
The only difference is where the goalposts are for liberal and conservative thought which differ across cultures and history.
There is no point where we will ever rid ourselves with either, and there never was a time since the beginning of human civilization where either didn't exist.

>>155135
I'm not seeing the hard evidence, was that supposed to be it?

>>155133
By all means, continue your anti-intellectual rhetoric. The more mainstream it becomes in conservative groups, the more conservative intellectuals will flee, and everyone else is eager to accept them.

>>155136
Hi there fellow NEUTRAL person, it sure is good to be NEUTRAL unlike those dumb people who leave their TOTALLY UNBIASED AND NEUTRAL POSITION to take sides without thinking

It's not like you'll have to take a side when the race wars come and nuclear fire rains from the sky. It's not like there's a right and wrong or something, my fellow NEUTRAL, TOTALLY OBJECTIVE AND UNBIASED **/leftypol/** BROTHER

>>155257
you're saying all this like it's a bad thing

>>155257
There's no reason to take a side if both sides are wrong, in which case being neutral is the most right. This is such a dumb meme.

>>155257
Youre a fucking retard. There has NEVER been a society where everybody was ideologically unified. You're fucking brainwashed.

>>154984
>where all they do the whole day is shitpost on twitter
Oh the irony.

>>154743
>two words Jack Lew. Obama appointed the COO of Citibank that headed the division that shorted the housing market.

He appointed Lew to be Treasury Sec. That sounds like a job that is very highly relevant to the skills needed to be COO of a major bank. Second, shorting the housing market was something that Citibank was one of only a handful of groups did successfully -- essentially he *predicted* the housing crash which actually made the bank money in 2009. Shorting it did not *cause* the crash. The film "The Big Short" explains it well if you don't want to read about it.

Third, and most importantly, Lew wasn't a catastrophic failure like Meyer and Brown. You are literally comparing an apple to two rotten oranges.

Science department at White House???
What a crock of crap.

>>154529
Love that pic. TRUMP is THE MAN.

>>155071
Thanks for exposing yourself as a newfag who only browses fastboard shitholes like /pol/ and /v/ and probably only came here during the 2016 election because you heard about the the super cool and edgy secret alt-right 4chan club on reddit.

>>154550
your mentality about the u.s. military is the same mentality the british had about their navy during world war 2. their navy got absolutely crushed by germany.

>>155426
Actually the Royal Navy was absolutely stripped down in the interwar period, and under the push of both labor and conservatives there was dramatic drawdowns and military disarmament, as well as dramatic pay cuts all around. You can look it up yourself.

>>154556
*bows down to sensei without reading a TL;DR of the post, all because you started your post with a self-meriting credential*