Trump Hands the Chinese a Gift: The Chance for Global Leadership

>“The irony here is that people worried that Trump would come in and make the world safe for Russian meddling,” said Richard N. Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, who was briefly considered, then rejected, for a top post in the new administration. “He may yet do that,” Mr. Haass added, “but he has certainly made the world safe for Chinese influence.”

>The president, and his defenders, argue that such views are held by an elite group of globalists who have lost sight of the essential element of American power: economic growth. Mr. Trump made that argument explicitly in the Rose Garden with his contention that the Paris accord amounted to nothing more than “a massive redistribution of United States wealth to other countries.”

>In short, he turned the concept of the agreement on its head. While President Barack Obama argued that the United Nations Green Climate Fund — a financial institution to help poorer nations combat the effects of climate change — would benefit the world, Mr. Trump argued that the American donations to the fund, which he halted, would beggar the country.

>“Our withdrawal from the agreement represents a reassertion of America’s sovereignty,” Mr. Trump said.
Who is ready for new world order, China?

>>146063
China will continue to rise in Co2 output well into the future.

They aren't a leader in anything.

Fake news

How is being part of the Paris accord "global leadership"?

>>146081
Except they won't. They aren't leading yet, but at this pace they will soon.

>>146086
How can you be viewed as anything but retarded if the only other countries abstaining from the accord are Syria and Nicaragua?

>>146089
>How can you be viewed as anything but retarded if the only other countries abstaining from the accord are Syria and Nicaragua?

>understanding so little of what makes the world go round

>>146089
You didn't answer the question, mongoloid

>>146091
>>understanding so little of what makes the world go round
Oil? The rest of the developed world and most of the U.S. agree that "green" energy is the future. It's a multibillion dollar industry and America just dropped out of the bidding, effective handing the reins over to China.

>>146094
Yes, I did. It isn't rocket science, dummy. Working within the accord to move away from the dying coal and oil industry would allow America to maintain it's position as a leader among developed nations. Dropping out for reasons like, "we wanna keep the few jobs we have, there's notting wong wiff coal an oil, lief is hard, we pay you to much for bad covfefe :((( but is ok god'll provide :)" drops the U.S. from "global leader" to "eating dirt like a Nicaraguan."

>>146102
It just straight up doesn't but whatever bro

>>146089
China overtakes EU Co2 Output (2014)

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29239194

Research Suggests China's Co2 Output is 2x Higher than the US

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/21/New-research-suggests-Chinas-CO2-output-is-almost-twice-USs/1471411344433/

China Burns more Coal than they Report

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/asia/china-burns-much-more-coal-than-reported-complicating-climate-talks.html?_r=0&referer=https://duckduckgo.com/

China Releases much more Co2 than they Report

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_563993d8e4b0307f2cab3f04

China Overtakes US as Largest Gas Polluter

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2007/jun/19/china.usnews

China Pollutes its Sea at a Staggering Rate

http://www.globalissues.org/news/2011/06/20/10157

https://www.rt.com/news/china-coastal-water-pollution-614/

Pullution and Overfishing has Destroyed China's fish market - now they fish outside their own waters

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-08/16/content_666168.htm

Chinese Solar Panel Factories dump Toxins into Rivers

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE78H0FL20110918

I can go on. Anyone who believes China is greener than the US by one iota is smoking something (maybe Bejieing air pollution?)

>>146104
Yeah, my nig I feel you. You been like thinkin an sheeeeit, right bwoi?

>>146105
Posting three year old articles shows that you haven't the slightest fucking clue as to what the Paris climate accord is. China isn't "greener" than the U.S., fuckwit. But they are going to work within the accord and with the rest of the developed world (minus U.S.) to reduce their emissions, while developing more efficient (and profitable!) green technologies.

Why can't conservatives understand that time progresses forward, not backward?

>>146109
>Why can't conservatives understand that time progresses forward, not backward?
Sure lets just grab studies from 2020 instead of 2014. The reports show Chinas pollution problem has been getting worse. The Paris Accords have no requirement of them besides writing up a plan before recieving aid since China is classified as a developing country. The accords have no teeth for if (when) "developing" countries take the aid and do fuckall with it before holding out their hands for more. You are literally just hoping that the chinese are going to do something benevolent on their word. You should really go out and talk to anyone who has had to do business with them on any scale, maybe even just read some Ali Baba reviews.

All I know is that Trump is not respected by world leaders at the NATO summit. Europe has stopped seeing America as a leader or something to rely on (Merkels commented on such). And a Lawrence Odonnel called Macron the leader of the free world after his address to the American people.

>>146109

China shuts down flights / highways due to ridiculous smog levels (2017)

https://www.usnews.com/news/news/articles/2017-01-02/china-starts-2017-engulfed-by-smog-issues-pollution-alerts

China and India have the Deadliest Air In the World (2017)

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/asia/indias-air-pollution-rivals-china-as-worlds-deadliest.html?referer=https://duckduckgo.com/

China's toxin dumping continues to destroy Ocean Life (2017)

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-10/china-s-hidden-pollution

China Continues to falsify Emissions Reports and Cover-up pullution Scandal (2016)

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0UV0XS

China isn't doing anything. They will continue to be the worse pollutor well into the future. Anything you hear about their solar panel islands and outrageous air filter towers is pandering.

China would have to shut down all of it's industry and revert to agrarian serfdom while castrating it's population to reverse it's pollution problem

>>146117
>You are literally just hoping that the chinese are going to do something benevolent on their word.
No, I know that if China sees the opportunity to take the position of global power from the U.S., they'll fucking take it; as they've been pulling for that for the last century. I'd really rather not live in a world where fucking China is seen as an ideal, or France or Germany are seen as leading the free world.

>>146121
Full on fucking damage control. Whatever they do or don't do, won't change the fact that they'll be seen as working toward sustainable green energy. While America revels in it's early twentieth century mindset and lifestyle.

Maybe lay off the moonshine and tin foil, eh?

>>146125
>Chinese polution is so bad its better to smoke two packs a day than live in beijing
>Explaining this is damage control

>China will steal American power by building a solar farm and pocketing the rest in administrative costs
World can suck a dick. China has a fine economy they can fund their own green energy. But they wont do more than the bare minimum to keep their urban population from choking to death from being outside during rush hour. Giving them free money wont change this.

>>146126
>World can suck a dick.
This is the mentality that lead to rampant pollution in the first place. It's also the mentality that lead to America no longer being viewed as leaders of the free world.

>>146125
Damage control?

China is the world's worse pollutor by margins leaps and bounds higher than anywhere else other than India. Don't believe me? Live there. It's thick black smog so bad you can't even see 100 yards in front of you.

You're a moron. These articles are from NyTimes, Bloomberg, Rueters, and the world Climate Organization among others. There's no bias and the articles are recent.

The US has improved it's green energy push in an organic free market way. We're on our way to having driverless electric cars. We protect our forests ( most forests in the US you see are virgin, having been replanted since the 1900s)

It is not the US job to solve the world's problems. China and India can solve their own pollution problems - I invite them to. Same goes for everyone else. But if you think the toothless Paris agreement, essentially a punishment clause on the US for being prosperous, will do anything then you're a shill.

I emplore you, when you have the time, to visit China and see how "green" it is. You'll be lucky to see anything at all within the cities.

Based Trump running down the value of USA to the ground so it's easier to scoop up by anyone, probably the China. Just like Elop and Nokia.

>>146133
>Ignores the arguments, focuses on the concept of sucking a dick
World can still suck a dick. Why is the US paying for yet another EU humanitarian effort that will result in more outstretched hands asking for gibs? Maybe if there was a punishment for if (when) China buys a solar farm from a Chinese company that suddenly charges a 2000% markup on its materials and labor, with an excessive tax rate to the federal government.

>>146141
>Ignores argument, focuses on "muh nationalism"
I'll just quote myself here,
"Whatever they (the Chinese) do or don't do, won't change the fact that they'll be seen as working toward sustainable green energy. While America revels in it's early twentieth century mindset and lifestyle."
Why should the U.S. degrade it's political standing in the world for the sake of the dying coal industry?

>>146152
The US IS leading in green energy. You're so blind by Globalist propoganda you can't see that.

>>146089
>How can you be viewed as anything but retarded if the only other countries abstaining from the accord are Syria and Nicaragua?
It's a jumping off point. Hopefully Trump can pull more people towards are sphere and away from liberal science.

>>146155
Wrong.

>>146157
Wait, I thought we were leaving because our industries are investing in counter global warming measures, so we don't need to invest in smaller nations to make sure that development isn't pointless. Are we saying that we're just going to spin our wheels then?

>>146086
It's about who the world can look to for a lead by example.

The example the US sets here is they will back out of deals for mutual cooperation if they don't think they enjoy the lions share of the profits.

If the US wants to lead in this direct we will see who follows them into the fire.

>>146168
Not really. Ohio Republicans were trying to freeze all new renewable energy set-up and development until Kasich slapped them with a veto for instance.

>>146105
>Anyone who believes China is greener than the US by one iota is smoking something (maybe Bejieing air pollution?)

Do you understand what a per capita figure is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/news_docs/jrc-2016-trends-in-global-co2-emissions-2016-report-103425.pdf

Do you get paid to shill your lies by Trump or the fossil fuel industry, or are you doing it for free?

>>146155
And yet we've decided to stand still and watch the rest of the world pass us. China may be the world's largest polluter, but they've been putting resources towards green energy for years and look to be continuing to do so in the future. It's really the only solution to their smog problem.

>>146168
No, we're leaving because various businesses donated to the trump campaign with the understanding that he would loosen restrictions on pollution and allow them to continue to maximise profits with no concern for their environmental impact
Leaving the Paris accord is just a display, it doesn't actually do a whole lot since the agreement had no teeth to begin with. All it amounts to is a show of solidary between trump and industry. The real threat is the games his administration is playing with the EPA and other such organizations, which actually (formerly) had power to regulate emissions and pollution within the country. This Paris deal amounts to trump losing face internationally and gaining some favor with the big bucks back home. However, I would argue that, since the Paris accord didn't mean much anyway, he would have been better of going along with it, it would have saved him from stepping on toes and it wouldn't have resulted in an opportunity for the Chinese to get an inch on us in the global leadership game. As the other anon tried to say - it doesn't matter that the Chinese won't actually do anything to combat climate change, so long as they put up an appearance of taking action. International politics is all about posturing on issues and crafting an image that you're working with the international community rather than appearing as though you want to sabotage it.

>>146152
So all that matters is the appearence of caring? You posted this twice and dont see how retarded this is?

>>146177
China having more people doesnt excuse the abhorrent track record they have on pollution. The US has had laws and regulations dealing with our CO2 output for decades. We have been reducing our carbon footprint. Meanwhile china cant even drink most of its own water due to the toxic chemicals just fucking dumped into the river every day. You linked wikipedia and ignore sources in this thread showing that china blatently lies about how bad the problem is.

>Bu bu but per capita

I bet you dont even read past headlines as long as they say what you want. You are an embarrassment and I hope your mother considers 48th trimester abortion by icepick.

>>146168
That's probably what the corporations are going to do, they know where the money is. Meanwhile, the official government spin is that the Paris Accords was a plot to destroy America's coal industry and without it we're finally free to produce "clean coal".

>>146189
Well, watch what happens as daddy trump rolls back regulations and for a few years big business has a free pass to shit wherever it wants. You think our lakes and rivers are gonna be remotely clean, then?

>>146177

China lies in all of their emissions output reports.

Just go there. Look up "air in China" on Google images.

You're kidding yourself, you live in a bubble

>>146196
>Totally gonna happen
Honestly I dont doubt it. Im sure he or someone in congress will eventually do something boneheaded in regards to the environment. My current bout of autistic fits are limited to the imbeciles who think the Paris Accords are a good idea without reading any of the documentation on it.

>>146155
Source?

>>146199
>You're kidding yourself, you live in a bubble

You think looking up "air in China" on Google Images is stepping outside the bubble?
Give me break.

All you can say in China lies therefore USA should get a free pass.
What a joke.

The USA will be hated for generations by the rest of the world by putting their interests, the interests of the richest country on the planet, above those of the poorest, just because they felt China git a better deal than them.

If Trump wants to fight with China he could have a trade war, but instead he would sacrifice the planet for short term wealth and his personal popularity.

Americans support Trump and that is why the world will grow to hate Americans.

>>146189
>Meanwhile china cant even drink most of its own water due to the toxic chemicals just fucking dumped into the river every day.

Your future under Trump.

>>146239
Lol what cleans CO2 better anon... forestry or a massive field of windturbines to power 8 houses...

>>146239
This is it folks; the Paris Agreements supporter is honest - it's about punishing the US for it's prosperity and success, the bitter tears of jealous fools.

It's not about saving the world. It's about ruining the US.

Fuck you. Noone cares what you think about Americans. We will do fine without your approval.

>>146063
>Global Leadership

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>146266
They won't be laughing when we invade their nations and wipe out their people to take their land and resources. Let's see them try when they have a star spangled cock down their communist throats..

>>146277
Not at all.

USA stays in the USA. No more police the world bullshit.

>>146289
The growth of Empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; any renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Conservatives have the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies of the people who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But Empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice.

>>146290

>America on uptrend during Democrat presidencies
>Latest trend is Democrats cleaning up the pile of shit left behind by Republicans
>Quantifiable data shows liberal policies result in economic growth and large-scale social advantages
>Conservatives absolutely DEDICATED to bringing everybody to the stone age, most of all their idiotic base that they plan on growing by denying education and creating the ideal environment for poverty
>MFW I read all of this fedora-tipping shit by a fat fuck who's never been in a fight in his life
>MFW every pseudo-intellectual with a hard-on for Rome thinks liberalism is the single factor responsible for any collapse
>MFW the LARPing faggots are impossible to avoid

Please neck yourself thank you

>>146063
I didn't realize we picked nations to lead based on signing a climate change bill. I could have sworn that being a leader in ingenuity, economy and culture would be more important, but I guess I was wrong

Talk about yellow journalism.

>>146367
Our energy sourcing and concern for future generations says a lot about us as a society. When it comes to green technology, the momentum in ingenuity, industry, and culture has shifted a great deal toward Eurasia. Even in raw numbers China alone spent 2.5X as much in renewable infrastructure last year as the US, even though they've a fraction of our overall GDP.

The US spends tens of billions a year of dollars just keeping pipelines and shipping lanes in the mid east clear for oil tankers. Let's just let the free market work. End all the benefits, tax breaks, and subsidies that extractive energy industries get which other businesses don't enjoy. Let them foot the bill from their own pockets for their protection needs. Let individual consumers foot the bill at actual market price for their electricity, heating, vehicle fuel. There will be some economic growing pains in the short run. And let the free market then select electric vehicles, energy efficient technologies, and renewable energy technology. The problem will half solve itself in the long run and we'll be the biggest producer and innovator of green energy tech.

>>146365
It is. The federal government is in more debt than any country to an international non-sovereign banking cartel that literally scammed the world. Because they continually lend out money to many different countries with money they themselves do not even posses.

Nor is it backed by anything, therefore, NOT WORTH ANYTHING.

It's worth is in the illusion of it's worth. You people believe in it, but you all are such pieces of shit that you couldn't still have a good society by giving your heart to others?

No fucking wonder you pollute as you "simply try to live."

Give me a break. You can still have nice things without the money, it's just all you hard asses need to soften the fuck up and realize that we're better than money.

>>146374
Too bad the governments of the world don't believe in free anything.

>>146375

What the fuck are you on about. I'm not arguing any of those points. I agree with everything you said.

>>146089
The policy was already weak to begin with.

-It had no method of enforcement.
-US can change its mind about leaving up to 2019
-Was doing shit to change our pollution ways. Thank natural gas for that
-Each country determined what was a big enough cut.

We aren't going to being waking up to smog hell anytime soon because of it.

>>146125
Question, what would china as leader look of the energy pack look like? Does that mean they invent the better solar battery + panel first? And if so, what stops us from just stealing it, improving on it, and selling at home for reduced costs? A reverse of roles if you will of the tech industry.

From my limited perspective, right now everyone hypes up that China will invent the ultimate solar panel and that somehow nobody in the world will be able to reverse engineer or that they'll unlock the true power of the sun.

>>146187
Anon, you get a star for not being distracted by the shinny quarter.

Trump act like a savage man from Africa before colonisation. Not understanding the world beyond his village, can barely read and can't grasp simple concepts such as trust, future and reality.
Don't expect much consideration from the rest of the world when your president is an uncivilised nigger.

>>146117
Solar panels are now a cheaper way to make energy than coal. Partially due to China making massive solar farms and decreasing production prices.
China will go the cheapest way, simple as that.

>>146126
You know they don't get free money? No more than USA. They have to pay up a bit, like USA.

>>146139
>Waaa, the Paris agreement is a conspiracy by the entire world to restrain the bestest country.
Eat dirt.

>>146290
If an empire there is, a nation led by a nigger won't have a nice place in it.
I suggest you have a look at what happened to nations that believed last-century technology was superior last time there were empires. It'll look like the Polish cavalry facing the Nazi tanks.

>>146374
>Let's just let the free market work.
Except Trump and pals are as corrupted as African dictators by Big Oil companies, they get to keep their tax cuts and subsidies.
You're about to become like an African country with massive underground reserves, but they are exploited by an American companies not giving a cent to the local population.

Why do some people want the planet to colder? Think it through

>>146401
Because it's never sold at home for reduced costs. Stuff in China is designed to be the cheapest possible.

>>146102
> The rest of the developed world and most of the U.S. agree that "green" energy is the future.

It _might_ be the future depending on the development of technology that doesn’t currently exist (i.e . superconducting materials) but right here right now, oil and coal each alone provided far more energy output per dollar input then all the “green energy” schemes combine except for hydroelectric, which enviro-kooks also oppose.

I’m all for living an environmentally conscious lifestyle but I ain’t going to cut my own throat in the attempt.

All these Big Government / Big Corporate environmental programs (“carbon credits” and such) only serve to enrich the elite at the expense of the People, it’s a fucking scam.

And in the end, there is no way to prevent “climate change”, as Earth’s climate was never fixed in the first place and has varied wildly throughout history, nor are today’s changes wholly and exclusively the result of human factors.

>>146437
>All these Big Government / Big Corporate environmental programs (“carbon credits” and such) only serve to enrich the elite at the expense of the
How do you figure this? And what's wrong with Big Solar when we've had so much of Big Oil.

>it’s a fucking scam.
How do you figure that?

>And in the end, there is no way to prevent “climate change”, as Earth’s climate was never fixed in the first place and has varied wildly throughout history, nor are today’s changes wholly and exclusively the result of human factors.
The rapid warming is established as due to the greenhouse effect, so we have to limit carbon dioxide emissions. Cap and trade is one means to make fossil fuels less attractive.

>>146441
>The Climate Agreement projected data (if you choose to accept their data is real) is based on 100% of it's goals being met as well as all countries being a part of it, and its projected improvments are weak at the most optimistic opinions.

>Co2 Output has been declining in the west and the US yearly. China and India have beat us out to staggeringly high margins.

>Co2 hasn't even been deemed the worst culprit. The earth can adjust to rising Co2 levels by increasing Flora bloom and kelp/ocean bacteria growths. China and developing countries are over fishing, dumping into the ocean, and deforesting the earth natural air cleaning systems.

>>146441
> > All these Big Government / Big Corporate environmental programs (“carbon credits” and such) only serve to enrich the elite at the expense of the People
> How do you figure this? And what's wrong with Big Solar when we've had so much of Big Oil.

The difference being that oil and coal provide a FAR greater energy return on the investment then solar, (or any “green” energy other than hydro) which still today just a pie-in-the-sky fantasy.

Unless / until there is some kinda great leap forward in materials technology, you're not going to be living in a solar powered house any time soon.

Now I’m not suggesting we should abandon research into improving and implementing solar and other sources of energy _where practical_ but these Big Government / Big Corporate environmental programs are little more than shekel shuffling by the Elites, designed to generate profits for Wall Street at the expense of the People.

I ain't going to ride a bike to work at the butt-crack of dawn in the dead of winter, so Leonardo DiCaprio can get blowjobs on his 500' yacht...

>>146441
>rapid warming
No

It's called climate change idiot

>>146086
B-cuz we all dum en they all smarts en shiiiieet.

>James Inhofe, Oklahoma
Oil & gas: $465,950
Coal: $63,600
Total: $529,550

>John Barrasso, Wyoming
Oil & gas: $458,466
Coal: $127,356
Total: $585,822

>Mitch McConnell, Kentucky
Oil & gas: $1,180,384
Coal: $361,700
Total: $1,542,084

>John Cornyn, Texas
Oil & gas: $1,101,456
Coal: $33,050
Total: $1,134,506

>Roy Blunt, Missouri
Oil & gas: $353,864
Coal: $96,000
Total: $449,864

>Roger Wicker, Mississippi
Oil & gas: $198,816
Coal: $25,376
Total: $224,192

>Michael Enzi, Wyoming
Oil & gas: $211,083
Coal: $63,300
Total: $274,383

>Mike Crapo, Idaho
Oil & gas: $110,250
Coal: $26,756
Total: $137,006

>Jim Risch, Idaho
Oil & gas: $123,850
Coal: $25,680
Total: $149,530

>Thad Cochran, Mississippi
Oil & gas: $276,905
Coal: $15,000
Total: $291,905

>Mike Rounds, South Dakota
Oil & gas: $201,900
Coal: none
Total: $201,900

>Rand Paul, Kentucky
Oil & gas: $170,215
Coal: $82,571
Total: $252,786

Continued in next post ->

>>146509

>John Boozman, Arkansas
Oil & gas: $147,930
Coal: $2,000
Total: $149,930

>Richard Shelby, Alabama
Oil & gas: $60,150
Coal: $2,500
Total: $62,650

>Luther Strange, Alabama
Does not accept money from the oil/gas/coal lobby.
Total: NA

>Orrin Hatch, Utah
Oil & gas: $446,250
Coal: $25,000
Total: $471,250

>Mike Lee, Utah
Oil & gas: $231,520
Coal: $21,895
Total: $253,415

>Ted Cruz, Texas
Oil & gas: $2,465,910
Coal: $103,900
Total: $2,569,810

>David Perdue, Georgia
Oil & gas: $184,250
Coal: $0
Total: $184,250

>Thom Tillis, North Carolina
Oil & gas: $263,400
Coal: $0
Total: $263,400

>Tim Scott, South Carolina
Oil & gas: $490,076
Coal: $58,200
Total: $548,276

>Pat Roberts, Kansas
Oil & gas: $388,950
Coal: $28,825
Total: $417,775

Sum total for all 22 Republican signatories of the anti-Paris Accord letter to Trump: $10,694,284

>>146063
>World Gone Full Commie.

>Communist's Environmental Ploy caused the world to abandon Confederate values.

Alt-right Narrative.

>>146509
>>146510
This is why we we need to block politicians from holding stake in a company. It is absurd to me that these people can pass laws which will enrich themselves.

>>146524
Didn't Exxon and Shell want to join the Paris agreement?

>>146531
They do;

But the Koch Party will do everything in their power to destroy it.

>>146531
That sounded like a PR stunt to me. Pretty easy to come out in favor of something to pretend you care when you know it won't pass. This is the same thing that happened with the Healthcare bill. Everyone was publicly against Obamacare but didn't want to actually remove it.

If they really cared they would publicly sponsor green energy and take up the subsidies that the US government is no longer supplying. Or change their companies focus from fossil fuels to green energy. Or divert their lobbying efforts to support green energy. Until I see those moves this is just lip service.

>>146531
I guess they were clever to figure out their own stocks were going to be depleted eventually, and wanted to be leaders when it was time to think about changing. They did RnD in hydrogen, among other things. They wanted to see these patents they've been piling up during the last decade or so get some use.

They're energy industry, not just oil industry.

>>146559
So who's in the wrong? Those who want to join or those who don't?

>>146578
Quitters.

>>146102
Maybe but Saudi aramco makes more money than Apple and Google combine so green ennergy seems ti still be in the future

>>146510
Good on Luther Strange for being the only one to vote for his beliefs of what is best for this country, even if those beliefs are not correct.

>>146907
Compared to other politicians, some may say that Luther's conviction is rather strange

>>146477
Well said commerade

>>146063
What nonsense. Just because the us why engage in these carbon scheme in an unenforceable agreement didn't mean anything.

The us still had the largest military and most diplomatic influence in the world.

>>146170
China puts people in jail for political opinions, nobody is looking to China for anything.

This entire climate nonsense is only important to left wing morons.

>>146125
>Obama enters into some non-binding agreement in the last years of presidency without the approval of any legislative body
>Democrats fail to get a candidate elected because they go with Hillary after they threw her under the bus eight years ago
>Trump drags Republicans kicking and screaming into the White House, then reneges on deal
>everyone gets butthurt, but realize they can't do jack shit about it because America runs the world
>"...BUT NOW MUH CHINA"

HAHAHAHA, the Chinese don't even trust themselves to not put toxic chemicals in baby formula and have to put down $100,000 just to leave the goddamn country, but now we expect them to step into a leadership role on climate change when their air will literally give you cancer?

>breathes...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>146109
>time progresses forward, not backward
>uses racial slurs and makes fun of black people in post

Americans DO NOT SUPPORT GLOBALISM!!

Conquer and expand. Conquer and expand.

Build an empire and take down the globalist!

U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.!!!!

https://youtu.be/O7g47Z0ylEI

Let's see how many countries stay in the Paris accord now, they are going to be dropping out like flies. We'll be taking down ALL the solar panels and wind farms and other stupid liberal technologies. Let's see the liberals flip shit over that. It'll be hilarious since climate change was made up by globalist scientists to help the UN take over the world. Trump knows though. The future isn't socialist technology like so called renewables. The future is coal.

>>147279
Wouldn't conquering the world and bringing them under a single flag technically be a form of globalism?

>>147281
Imperialism is the ultimate expression of nationalism. It's not about bringing everyone under your flag, its about conquering and taking resources from lessers to enrich your own nation. Its about military glory, and war, about attaining greatness of the singular nation rather then the communism of globalism, which seeks to transfer glory and wealth from the rich to the poor.

>>147284
Isn't that the single greatest way to not only ensure your own nations destruction but the continuation of the wretched system mankind has created on this mud ball?

>>146441
>OMG how can you deny global warming?
>There is no global warming, the average temperature of the surface of Earth hasn't risen since 1988.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/global-warming-pause-climate-c/18715892
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/04/no-global-warming-at-all-for-18-years-9-months-a-new-record-the-pause-lengthens-again-just-in-time-for-un-summit-in-paris/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/03/04/updated-global-temperature-no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months-no-warming-for-210-months/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/
>The missing heat went to... the oceans, we got it!!!1111
>NO
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/yes-the-ocean-has-warmed-no-its-not-global-warming/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/06oct_abyss/
>Desertification? Interesting, the Sahara is moving back and started turning green.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/02/another-global-warming-catastrophe-the-sahara-desert-is-getting-greener/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/15/bad-news-climate-alarmists-another-study-confirms-africas-deserts-getting-greener/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/26/climate-manipulated-sleight-hand/
cont.

>>147306
>OMG polar bears are going extinct!!!
>Yeah, seems about wrong.
http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/article/truth-about-polar-bears
https://polarbearscience.com/2013/07/15/global-population-of-polar-bears-has-increased-by-2650-5700-since-2001/
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/20/media-misleads-on-polar-bear-numbers/
>Polar ice caps are melting.
>Or not? Ooops.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#7c690032da1e
http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/617144/Antarctica-not-shrinking-growing-ice-caps-melting
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html
>Is there really a scientific consensus on global warming? Do scientist agree that climate change is real and manmade?
>BULLSHIT
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/2/#780d692a26d6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=silfiTY32xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU
technocracy.news/index.php/2015/10/30/former-president-of-greenpeace-scientifically-rips-climate-change-to-shreds/
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/kathleen-brown/nobel-prize-winning-physicist-obama-dead-wrong-global-warming-0

>>146063
this is great news, America finally knows its place in the global power now, it is about time America gave in to the global superpower of
China. They have the capacity to be world's 1st country.

eating journal feces

>>147280
bait

>>147306
>>147307
....so.

Also, bait. You include MSM to further prove that liberals are global communists that spread propaganda to destroy the United States. Show me a few articles on how this is a plot to destroy individualism and the Capitalism of Confederate Nation.

>>147360
None of this shit matters.

The economy is on the verge of collapse and any more regulation will take us to another great depression. That's why Trump withdrew from the Agreement; to protect the industry from going bankrupt.

>>147361
Europes economy is due to collapse. That's why they need this agreement. They can't keep getting their gas/oil from Russia.

They need China to offset their energy needs and China agreed only if America shelled out for it.

>>147306
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus
dubious. More studies critical of the existence of a hiatus are linked than not. And if it does, it may be attributed to fluctuations in ocean surface temperature. Other factors associated with warming are said to have continued throughout this period.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/global-warming-pause-climate-c/18715892
The effects of global warming continue unabated in the upper atmosphere and ocean. The only "pause" recorded is on earth's surface. Considering the wikipedia article mentioned that other factors of global warming continued as expected. And that the earth is absorbing more energy than released, then it should stand that the heat is being routed to other areas.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988
Never assumes that warming isn't happening, only that the proposed slowdown may last another decade. However, if the earth continues to absorb more energy than it releases, there is no real "slowdown" to speak of here. Just uneven heating. Do you understand how heat even works?

>http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/article/truth-about-polar-bears
Doesn't actually refute that polar bears are subject to extra environmental pressures from climate change. This is middle of the road and just goes to show how people like you make light of a complicated issue. So far, it's been ecological damage from hunting that's done the most damage to polar bear populations. And it's been hunting regulations that have stabilized polar bear populations. Goals in protecting ecologies and goals in stopping climate change are in step with one another. Politicising popular animals and the dangers climate change does to them, still helps protect these animals.


It's easier to just dump this bullshit on somebody than to actually mull through it and judge what it's saying, and how valid any of it is. Don't listen to a retard with a bunch of links.

>>147285
No, it's how you build greatness. Nationalism is about being a nation of Power, where the strong and guided lead the blind wolves to the righteous hunts. Globalism is about pacifism, equalization, and stagnation. War acts as a fire to burn out the underbrush of humanity. In conflict we grow and realize our true potential. A nation of loyal, dedicated, and ferocious warriors and warlords, not effete bluepilled intellectuals or academics, is what should guide the new world.

>>147512
>where the strong and guided lead the blind wolves to the righteous hunts.
I know you're just using tough words to sound impressive, but this analogy couldn't make less sense. Why are blind wolves hunting? Why are the guided leading?

>>146063
Chinese don't want it because it involves bombing sandniggers and them blowing up your people in return.

Suffice to say, we're going autopilot.

>>146081
http://econews.com.au/52399/study-world-co2-flat-for-third-year-helped-by-china-falls/

>>146105
>>146121
http://econews.com.au/52399/study-world-co2-flat-for-third-year-helped-by-china-falls/
https://www.google.es/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN13900T
https://www.google.es/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/chinas-coal-consumption-falls-3rd-year-row-45795242

Reuters News agency reports the study said carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels and industry were set to rise a tiny 0.2 per cent in 2016 from 2015 levels to 36.4 billion tonnes, the third consecutive year with negligible change and down from three per cent growth rates in the 2000s.
>World greenhouse gas emissions stayed flat for the third year in a row in 2016, thanks to falls in China.

Shills using outdated data and bait sources should be banned from /news/

>>146189
>The US has had laws and regulations dealing with our CO2 output for decades

We actually don't even have one law on CO2.

>>146372
Correct. It's the same "If you do X, then your boogeyman will attack you" argument that conservatives and liberals use profusely. If you don't invade Syria, then Russia will take over the Baltics!
If you don't invade Iraq, then they will give WMDs to terror groups! If you don't do what I tell you to, then China will win!

It is a strawman fallacy used by each side. The Chinese don't want global leadership because global leadership sucks ass. At most they'll step forward in leadership for clean technology (they already had before this) since their nation has a horrible pollution problem.

>>147757

Ban dissent! Silence the non-believers!

>>147770
Hey. I'm neutral here.

I think NYT leftists whining is complete horseshit. I also wouldn't mind putting all the /po/tards in their own concentration camp.

I'm just tired of both sides using fake news and outdated statistics when they talk about China. No one in China even mentioned "global leadership" and then these leftists drag its name into domestic arguments. Likewise, /pol/ claims every Chinese is dying in some apocalyptic hellhole with infinitely rising CO2. Both are wrong, and I hope they kill each other off to save my sanity.

>>147773
Essentially, China is the new boogeyman so every time Trump does something leftists don't like "hurdur that helps China!", and every time leftists demand something, /pol/fuckers come out of the woodwork screaming "that helps China!".

Kill yourselves. This is exactly why China will get the global leadership even though the Chinese don't want it. The current leader is killing itself.

>>147759
or suck the cocks of the Koch Bros.