U.S. House passes healthcare bill in major Trump victory

Republicans really want America to have it's own French revolution huh?

Single payer coming in 2020 if this passes the senate

>>136803
>biggest tax cut in history for the upper class
>slashes healthcare funding
>will still probably maintain their majorities in 2018
The democrats need to make some fundamental changes to their branding.

>>136809
Yep. Stop blaming white men for all that is wrong with the country and start supporting the white working class and they would actually be unstoppable.

But they betrayed the actual working class for immigrant and welfare persons. Working class voted against their interests because they saw that no one else wanted their vote.

Democrats done fucked up.

>>136813
>welfare persons
Is that new code for black people?

>>136814
Hint: The African American vote in some states was the key factor in Trump's victory.

I believe that anon is referring to the Democrat support of the BLM movement, (the "bad' kind of niggers) which started turning the Police Unions, which are traditionally a Democratic voting bloc. This kills the blue wall.

>>136813
>>136809
Or maybe just stop party politics and put someone democrats would actually vote for.

The republicans have one thing going for them, they will suck the dick of whoever takes control of the party the minute they pass 50%

>start supporting the white working class
You do know the biggest winners from the ACA were white working middle class families right? Unless you're in one of hte retarded red states that refused medicaid expansions and essentially double-taxed their residents.

>find a charismatic white guy that's center-left
>tell people you'll raise taxes on the rich and give an even bigger cut to the middle/working class
>reiterate that democrats support fair trade deals, and tariffs on currency manipulators(Trump has softened on china)
>support increased border security
>drop BLM
>drop gun control at everything above the city level
>drop trans issues
>drop refugee initiative
They could start winning again if they made these changes, and focused on the strengths of their platform. Who they pick for 2020 will really determine whether, or not they learned their lesson.

>>136824
>Stop being democrats and try to appease the midwest that has hated them for decades for not being republicans
Probably safer to just wait for the pendulum to swing back

>>136809
It's not just democrat branding, the entire election system of the US swings the power towards rural voters over city voters. Republicans can talk out their ass and get the Christians and no-taxes people in rural areas to vote for them because the Democrats don't even bother to pretend otherwise like Republicans do.

>>136813
They should have listened to Bernie. Why didn't they listen?

The House has always been semi retarded

Bet it won't pass the Senate
>Pre-existing conditions on a sate by state level
I mean I've read some stupid nonsense before but damn.

>>136827
>stop being democrats
In a round about way I was saying de-emphasize the unpopular social stances that don't gain them many votes, and don't pick a woman. The only major thing they should drop is gun control.
Remove the distractions from their support for union rights, Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, a reasonable tax plan, tough corporate regulations, family planning, and general public investment.

So after the first vote to repeal failed the president said he was ready to move on and focus on other, more bipartisan issues like infrastructure and tax reform.

Then a couple weeks later the healthcare issue comes back front and center out of nowhere with refusal to move on to anything else. It really is telling who their masters are.

>>136834
So become Republican?

>>136803
So... is this a good thing for Trump?

>>136840
Not really, this bill is one step closer to either being radically changed or thrown out in the Senate, that's about it. But go ahead and let Paul Ryan feel like he accomplished something if you want, be my guest. It's only temporary anyway.

related:
>>136493
This is what they bribed the Tuesday group members with, even though $8 Billion over 5 years doesn't come close to funding even 1 percent of the preconditions that will be waived with this bill.

>>136839
>republicans support any of the above
Ha.

>>136841
This. Senate be like *blocks your path*.

>>136839
He's a socialist, just butthurt because he has no real party to represent his, ahem, """"interests"""". You can tell because he's subtly railing against "idpol" and wants "union rights" (lol @ union support in 2017). He's from /leftypol/ on 8ch, they all regurgitate the same ideas back at each other endlessly and then spread them here. Makes them really easy to detect in practice.

>>136832
The house barely supported this by 4 votes. That's not a good start for a republican bill in a republican majority house. Senate is gonna be less kind since it has more moderate republicans then tea party republicans. even then, you have hard right republicans like joe manchin who are already saying they won't touch the thing.The pre existing conditions is the last of the bills worries. The damn law pretty much aims to fuck republicans bread and butter voters,old people.

>>136851
>when it's a far majority

>SINGLE PARTY RULE OF DA GOVERNMENT RUNNNN

>when it's close

FRACTURING IN GOVERNMENT NO1 CAN AGREE ON ANYTHING FUCKING PARTISANS MUH FILIBUSTER

What vote is good to you cretins these days?

>>136849
Nah I just want some sensible limits on corporate power, and a tax plan that won't implode the country.

>>136855
Whatever you commie.

>>136851
Oh yeah, I just learned that even rand paul is against the bill. R.i.P trumpcare(again). I wouldn't be surprised if Donald ends up running a smear campaign against the freedom caucus

>>136849
ID politics are cancerous. The alt-right, sjws, and fractured nation state have been the end points of all that ethnic based divide and conquer.

>>136857
The clip I just saw on the news had Senator Rob Portman (R)- Ohio saying there was no way he would vote for this bill in its current form.

So with Rand and Portman that makes 2 out of 51 GOP votes down. And if they change anything at all they need 60 votes.

>>136858
Whatever you cuck. We hold power, and when your time comes, we look forward to the cries of you and your filthblood relatives. And don't you worry, if you try to run, we'll come for you, because the revolution won't stop here. By Odin, the whole planet shall quake to us and our empire, and the impure shall be eradicated!

>>136860
>Autism, the post

>>136860
>We
Oh so you must be a billionaire then, right? No? Then you aren't part of the movement, you're a useful idiot.

>>136860
I haven't cringed this hard since my troll days on a new ager forum. Congrats, you're more autistic then new age hippies

>>136854
Who are you quoting?

Momenta like these are what make me feel warm and fuzzy inside

>>136829
Because Hilary and the DNC

AND THE EMAILS

>>136809
>The democrats need to make some fundamental changes to their branding.
In case you haven't been paying attention, the Democrats already get more votes in almost every arena.
The problem is the Republicans are doing a better job of exploiting the glitches in the system.

>>136885
Pretty much this. In state, local, and national elections, Democrats still consistently receive majority of votes. But we don't have one vote per citizen for national elections and districts have been gerrymandered to hell and back to favor Republicans.

>>136879
>muh emails lok her up

>>136885
LA, SF, Chicago, and New York should -not- decide what is best for the rest of the country. Piss up a rope.

>>136892
>implying the people who live in LA, SF, Chicago and New York don't equal the same number of people who live in Utah, Wyoming, ,Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota and Kansas
>implying they aren't as American as you are
There's this thing called population density. You should look into it.

>>136803
ok

Obamacare was the most politically expedient helathcare reform pathway toward achieving genuine universal coverage.
Democrats should have passed single-payer healthcare when they had a chance at the beginning at Obama's 1st term.
To their credit, unlike republicans they actually did something to serve the interests of all Americans. But they still did it in the most underhanded way they could manage. They didn't wanna lose their donors.
If they just did what was best for the individual American, if they just gave us single-payer healthcare, we wouldn't have been having this battle or we would be having a battle much more politically costly for Republicans to regress that much further, and we would have much more cost effective healthcare for everyone, by having a straightforward system that cuts out private industry middlemen and having an insurance pool with the negotiating power of all patients combines.
The Republicans are happy to keep the Dems around because they're basically controlled opposition. If Republicans win, corporations win. If Democrats win, corporations win slightly less.

>>136917
>If Republicans win, corporations win. If Democrats win, corporations win slightly less.
Thats just one of those statements that makes me feel tired and revolted.That I can't deny it makes it even worse.

>>136917
You can blame Leiberman for why we don't have a public option; he's the one who got it gutted.

So that is why we are voting next week on 51%

>>136829
Because the establishment Democrats and the Republicans are both right-wing corporate puppets who exist to keep the voters squabbling over petty bullshit while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The "SJWs" and "alt-right" are both manufactured movements with big money behind them in order to distract from the real economic issues that are facing the country. Bernie actually wanted to address the economic concerns of the poor which is why the neoliberals and consevatives both hate him.
Actual left-wing groups like the DSA have grown exponentially in just the past few months, hopefully they'll be able to either take control of the Democratic party from the neoliberal scumbags or form their own party, both of the existing parties are unpopular enough at the moment that a third party could take control, especially if they had the support of more popular politicians like Sanders behind them.

>>136942
ANTIFA pls go

>>136943
Thank you for being a Nimble American! $0.02 have been deposited into your account.

>>136857
>even Rand Paul
>even
Not a surprise to me. Rand Paul is against anything that involves healthcare and isn't radical deregulation.
I'm pretty sure Ron named him after Ayn Rand so all this shouldn't come as a surprise.

>>136824

I agree to an extent.

Really the only answer is Al Franken.

This past election and honestly most elections have just been a testament to people voting for a candidate because they like the "feel" of them. If you voted for Obama in 2008 or 2012 and then Trump in 2016 strictly because of populist rhetoric and the fact that THIS guy will be the change America needs, ("L-l-last time he said change but we didn't get it! B-b-but THIS time we'll get the change we want!"), then you're a fucking inbred that needs to be removed the gene pool.

I wouldn't put it past them to do otherwise and vote some otherworldly "unique" establishment dillweed in like Booker, Warren but Al Franken is the simply the correct answer for the dems.

>white
>older
>midwestern (key demographic that the dems lost)
>charismatic
>excellent debater
>can crack a joke and make fun of Trump as well
>relatively clean track record outside somewhat offensive jokes on SNL

It's not even about the issues, most Dem policies are predominantly popular with Americans. Even deep red shitholes lthat benefit from Obamacare enjoy its benefits and detest it simply because it's the EVUL LIBHRUL GUBBAMINT supplying them. The most he would have to do is spin the Dem policy on gun control and abortion somewhat to alleviate the alienation of the right ("ABORTION IS TERRIBLE! NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT! THAT'S WHY WE DEMS ARE FOR CONTRACEPTIVES AND SEX EDUCATION!") and he would just reap the benefits. It would be the same boat as before with fucktard populist voters ("Obama and Trump said change but SURELY Al Franken will be the guy!") and that's all they have to do. 2016 would've been a cinch with someone like Biden on board.

>>136942
>third party
Good luck with that. The greens are utter idiots that most liberals won't support due to their utter quackery and anti science stance. the libertarians seem to be okay with being the bitch of the republicans.Any other 3rd party is just a waste of time

>>136805
Yeah. Not like liberals didn't have their way the last 8 years. You make Bruce Jenner "woman of the year" and expect zero consequences? Cute.
Was also super fun watching you hypocritical fucktards give Obama a free pass for doing the same shit Bush did.
Renew and strengthen the patriot act? Check.
Negotiate with terrorists and give up multiple Gitmo detainees in exchange for one deserter piss ant from the army? Check.
Import jihadis and call them "refugees"? Check.
Double the national debt? Check.
Bomb seven different countries in 8 years? You bet he did.
Order drone strikes on "legitimate" targets such as weddings and other social gatherings knowing innocent people would die? Also check.

I look forward to watching you explain how it's "different" when that nigger does it, but completely reprehensible when cowboy retard does it.
Bonus points if you do it without any hint of self awareness or irony.

>>136814
I think the new code for them is "Basketball Americans," but I heard that from a Texan so it might be racist or otherwise inaccurate.

>>136976
>Democrats made Bruce Jenner woman of the year
This was a magazine. Not the Democratic party, or every single leftist
>import jihad is and call them refugees
If they were jihad is, don't you think we'd have morever terrorist attacks perpetrated by foreigners? Name me one that took place in the last 8 years in the us

>>136979
Why bus my autocorrect retarded?

>>136976

Democrats hold their party accountable and don't necessarily give Obama a free pass, at least compared to the GOP. They don't watch the news everyday trying to perform mental gymnastics on why a Democrat did something they didn't disagree with. The common notion is that Dems/liberals think both parties are corrupt while the GOP base thinks only the Dems are corrupt.

~38% of Dems supported Obama's plan in regards to Syria and 37% supported Trump's similar plan

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/gop-voters-love-same-attack-on-syria-they-hated-under-obama.html

Sorry to end your stroking off session that was going so well.

>>136976
>You make Bruce Jenner "woman of the year" and expect zero consequences?
>dem elect a trans woman of the year
>So we should take away their coverage and kill them in medical bills as retribution
Yeah, that seems completely proportionate.

I assume OPs image is of billionaires laughing that they conned exceptionally stupid white people into voting to kill themselves because of their hatred of Mexicans.

>>136832
>Rape and sexual assault are pre-existing conditions

Why are Republicunts so stupid?

>>136803
>Asthma meds cost 300 usd/mo
>Aca reimbursements cover most of it
Oh boy, nothing like corporations being able to inflate their prices and literately hold a gun to your head.
I can't wait to drop two solid months of my pay check each year just so my lungs don't self destruct, scar itself and catch pneumonia ever month then inevitably die at 40 when I have more scar tissue than lungs.

If those fags are going to force me to pay for that shit, could they at least drop some monopoly busters and open up the free market so I can get competitively priced medicine? They fucking looove muh freedom, muh free market but never do anything about these bullshit scamy corporations that control the entire market and make this medicine, and make USA healthcare bullshit expensive in the first place.

Like no really, what the fuck.

>>137001
Republicans in general don't think that, only Congressional Republicans who get lobbied by health industry lackeys and interest groups do.

>>136963
I dunno, while the existing 3rd parties have a lot of baggage, there's a handful of people in the Democratic party who actually focus on economic issues and if they split off and formed a new party it could potentially do well, especially if it included Bernie, he's the most popular politician in the country by an enormous margin despite the corporate media's attempts to slander him. With how incredibly unpopular both parties are it would be the perfect chance, especially if they ran on other wildly popular ideas like ending corporate lobbying or electoral reform to end the 2-party system altogether.
>>136976
Obama was a fucking monster with it came to foreign policy just like nearly every US politician for decades and his domestic policy was mediocre at best. People need to learn that both parties are right-wing corporatists and that's why the economy has gone to shit and why our foreign policy panders to Wall Street. It baffles me that some people think going even further to the right will fix things when that's what got us into this whole mess.

>>137008
They think corporations holding a gun to your head is better than the government holding a gun to your head.

>>137013
>Obama was a fucking monster with it came to foreign policy
How so? I keep seeing reactionaries say shit like this but then they cite The Arab Spring and Benghazi like Obama had something to do with those things. What exactly do you think Obama did or didn't do that made him a "monster when it came to foreign policy"?

>>137016
The clusterfuck in Syria just for starters. The whole thing only started because Assad wouldn't allow the Saudis to build a pipeline through Syria, do you really think the US gives a shit about "freeing" other countries when we're allied with scum like them? We've also been helping the Saudis to butcher civilians in Yemen, we've been funding various terrorist factions including fucking Al Queda of all people to fight as proxies, and of course the whole Libya thing though the French had a hand in that as well. US military intervention has always had financial interests behind the scenes, and in the case of the middle east its usually for the sake of our economic ties with Israel, Saudi Arabia, or simply our own military-industrial complex. It was awful when Obama did it and the people who supported Agent Orange were delusional if they thought a Wall Street fatcat like him wouldn't pander to wealthy interests just as hard. Right-wing politics, BY FUCKING DEFINITION, are about serving the interests of a small ruling class. Like I said previously, the country is shit because both parties are being run by right-wingers these days.

Related:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/health/preexisting-conditions-list-trnd/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29