Chinese tourists flock to U.S. firing ranges

Tighter controls were later imposed but they were largely ignored. After pro-democracy demonstrations on Tiananmen Square were crushed in 1989, the government moved to toughen enforcement and in 1996 passed a law that formally banned citizens from owning guns.

In 2008, just months before the national shooting team cleaned up at the Beijing Olympics, the rules were widened to include further restrictions on replica weapons. Possession of a firearm can carry a prison sentence of up to seven years.

Even so, sales of replica arms are soaring, and websites like "Armshead" and "Ironblood" allow people to trade gun-related news and images, according to police.

Criminals are also using guns more, especially those involved in the drug trade in the south, Chinese news media report.

Over the last few years, there has been a spate of cases where people have been jailed for owning guns they thought were toys.

In one example, a former solider in northeast China was held in 2016 for six months because police discovered he had five air rifles in a collection of military models he started when he was a boy. He still faces trial.

In August 2015, an 18-year-old in southeastern China was given life in jail for ordering 24 imitation guns from Taiwan — 20 guns turned out to be real, according to the South China Morning Post. He has since been told his sentence would be commuted.

China's government defends strict gun laws to guarantee public safety, but critics say the real reason is to prevent rebellions.

“The Chinese government took away people's guns to prevent them rising up,” said Zhou Xiaozheng, a sociologist at Renmin University. “Do you think they would be able to demolish peoples' homes if they hadn’t?" he said, referring to the government's broad right to seize private property.

The Chinese government publicizes mass shootings in the United States, where there are an estimated 300 million firearms, according to the Congressional Research Service.

There are no official figures for gun-related deaths in China, but media reported only 25 last year. In the U.S., annual firearm-related deaths exceeded 33,000 in 2013, the latest figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ironically, China is one of the world’s largest small-arms producers.

And state-owned manufacturers may be helping stoke public interest in guns. China North Industries Corp. owns one of the country’s few public shooting ranges outside of Beijing. China South Industries Group publishes a bimonthly magazine for gun enthusiasts called Small Arms. The magazine also has an active social media presence where it posts pictures and details of weapons to Weibo, China’s equivalent to Twitter.

“(The 2008 law) had the effect of criminalizing harmless behavior, of putting people, who present no threat to society, in jail,” said Deng Xueping, a Shanghai lawyer who specializes in gun cases.

The result has been more Chinese going overseas to shoot and hunt.

Han Weitian, 33, of Beijing, visited Wong's club in Florida last May. Pictures on social media show him firing an automatic rifle on an open range.

“Chinese ranges fix their weapons to the bench,” Weitian said. “This felt free, like real shooting.”

>>130576
>In the U.S., annual firearm-related deaths exceeded 33,000 in 2013

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

2014
All homicides
Number of deaths: 15,809
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.0

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 10,945
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.4

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

2014
All suicides
Number of deaths: 42,773
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.4

Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 21,334
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7

>>130639

>OP says 2013
>Looks up 2014 Data

>>130644

I already had the data for 2014 but if you think 2013 or any other year was different, fell free to post it.

>>130576
Stuff like this is not new. In the 80's the Japanese were flocking to the Marshall Islands(?) by the thousands to shoot guns and small artillery. Interesting that the most gun-curious nations are the ones with the most restrictive policies about firearms possesion.

Oh, and I work with an individual who emigrated from China about 13 years ago, he & his wife are active firearms owners here in Canada. He's told me that there are incidents of soldiers & cops going berserk and going on public shootings that aren't reported. He witnessed one of them.

>>130656
>He's told me that there are incidents of soldiers & cops going berserk and going on public shootings that aren't reported
In Canada or China? I'd believe the latter; party officials have pretty much free range until they step on another member's toes.

>>130656
Most developed nations have gun control. It's completely normal to us.
A government that allows rights to arms is the irregularity, as government of today began simply as a warlord of times long past and the idea of bugging your war-lord to get arms is quite preposterous. It is also quite obvious why your war-lord would concieve the idea to disarm his conquered land.

>>130679
>Most developed nations have gun control. It's completely normal to us.
Wrong, only cucked nations delude themselves into thinking the rights of citizens are worthless.

>>130709
The United States is less than 300 years old, Europe is over 2000 years old.

>>130679
>It is also quite obvious why your war-lord would concieve the idea to disarm his conquered land.

But it was YOUR warlords who disarmed you, we've not only still got our guns but anti-gun regulations have been / are being rolled back.

Almost the entire nation now has "shall Issue" concealed carry, castle law / stand your ground, full-auto and suppressors legal, etc.

>>130711
The EU is less than a century old.

>>130716
Europe and European Union aren't the same thing.
European civilisation dates back to the Roman Republic (509 B.C.) which was 2526 years ago.

>>130720
Who cares

>>130720
Actually, you could go even further to the Greeks and stuff but I'm just going to stick to the Roman Republic just because it was decently sized.

>>130715
You've also got a government in bed with the major corporations, selling the US citizen out for a profit.

>>130721
Yes, the USA, less than 300 years old, knows so much more about how to run a nation and deal with international politics than nations with over 2000 years of history.
Americans are just so exceptional. Probably God's country.

>>130720
I wasn't aware the roman republic still existed.

>>130725
lol holy shit you have a chip on your shoulder. the yuro peons are starving again.

>>130723
>You've also got a government in bed with the major corporations, selling the US citizen out for a profit.

Every government is doing that and has been since the Fall of Communism, which eliminated the need to support nationalism.

Even the president or prime minister of Iceland for example, got burned by the release of Panama Papers that exposed his corruption.

Government and Corporations are one and the same nowadays.

>>130728
better feed them...

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>>130725
Those 2000 years include rebellions, terrorism, tyranny, war, plague and religious repression mate
It's a great history but it's still fuckin history

>>130729
>Every government is doing that and has been since the Fall of Communism
Such things will naturally exist, of course, but in Europe it's not to the extent of the USA.

>>130727
Lasted longer than the USA.
I hope you don't think your current climate is just going to peacefully resolve itself. You will learn the hard way what Europeans had learnt many hundreds of years ago.

>>130725
Not so Great Britannia has a violent crime rate 4 times that of the USA per capita. Eat a dick.
It's not our fault all of the Europeans with a spine died in wars.

>>130740
Yes, the Roman Empire, one of the longest lasting Empire in the history of mankind, was known for its limited government, free-market Capitalism and Democracy.

>>130754
>It's not our fault all of the Europeans with a spine died in wars.
You literally hanged them and forced your American values on Europe.

>>130756
To be fair Russia and Britain helped that along nicely but yes the US did burn down some cities on the way and shoot looters and angry mobs of hungry folk after the war

>>130758
And established the World Police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Policemen

>>130761
Yeah hopefully we step back from that a bit over the next generation. We need to start rebuilding our own infrastructure for a change.

>>130725
We didn't start either world war but thanks for inflicting your autism on the planet.

>>130750
Nice b8, my man. The US is a branch off of European Civilization. If you want to leave aside your arbitrary affiliation with some historical empire, then European civilization as we know it has its seeds in the shift from dynastic regimes to nation states in the late 18th century.

>>130748
>>Every government is doing that and has been since the Fall of Communism
>Such things will naturally exist, of course, but in Europe it's not to the extent of the USA.

It's happening plenty in Europe also and with the ever growing authority of the EU over the years, that added another level of corruption into the mix.

>>130639

There's literally nothing wrong with being able to rent guns at a firing range. They're not selling the guns so whats wrong with playing with them?

>>130825

My point was to address the meaningless bullshit term “firearm related deaths”, that the anti-gun fundies continue to force into the language in an attempt to shore up their untenable position, as 2/3 of those “firearm related deaths” are suicides that have nothing to do with firearms.

>>130828
What about murder-suicide and those that kill themselves with guns after failing some other crime?

>>130709
>Americans can't own surface to air interceptors
>Americans can't own radar installations

Americans are cucked.

>>130829
>What about murder-suicide

These are vanishingly rare and are still not _caused_ by the presence of firearms.

People kill themselves because they're suicidal, well adjusted and content people don't suddenly commit murder-suicide just because they have a gun.

>>130823
It's not.

>>130824
America has probably dropped bombs on more nations than any other nation.

>>130801
After the each war you set up a World Police, though.
League of Nations and now the United Nations.

>We didn't start either world war
'The Quarantine Speech was given by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt on October 5, 1937 in Chicago'
'as an alternative to the political climate of American neutrality and non-intervention that was prevalent at the time.'

'The outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937 saw aid flow into the Republic of China, from the United States under President Franklin D. Roosevelt. A series of Neutrality Acts had been passed in the US with the support of isolationists who forbade American aid to countries at war. Because the Second Sino-Japanese War was undeclared, however, Roosevelt denied that a state of war existed in China and proceeded to send aid to Chiang.'

>>130927

“OUR entrenched political bureaucracy is magically gud and honest! Only fat dumb ‘Murrican politicians are crooked!”

t. delusional Euro

Hows that flood of third-world Arabs and Africans working out for you?…

>>130960
You think it's impossible that any government is less corrupt than the American government, that is just sad. You are denying reality because it hurts your feelings.

>Hows that flood of third-world Arabs and Africans working out for you?…
Who killed Sadam and Gadaffi, and funded Mujahideen and Islamic State?

>>130991
> You think it's impossible that any government is less corrupt than the American government

It’s only a question of degree, the end result is the same; you’re being fucked by your corrupt elite just as we are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers

> Who killed Sadam and Gadaffi, and funded Mujahideen and Islamic State?

The U.S., at the behest of Israel but more importantly, who is surfing the consequences and why did your leaders import bazillions of assbackward violent Arabs and Africans?

>>131050
Because America forced it's Liberal ideas, of equality and liberty, on Europe.

>>131149
>Because America forced it's Liberal ideas, of equality and liberty, on Europe.

It's OUR fault?! Europe is more liberal then UC Berkley.

Nobody made you import fuck loads of crazed Arabs and criminal Africans, that was YOUR government's doing (and ultimately, your fault for letting them do that to you).

>>131153
>It's OUR fault?!
Yes. That you don't even realise the shit you cause to other nations is why America is so loathed.

>>131153
You literally write constitutions for other nations, forcing liberty and freedom and other such Liberal nonsense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan

>But by early 1946, MacArthur's staff and Japanese officials were at odds over the most fundamental issue, the writing of a new Constitution. Emperor Hirohito, Prime Minister Kijūrō Shidehara and most of the cabinet members were extremely reluctant to take the drastic step of replacing the 1889 Meiji Constitution with a more liberal document.[2]

>The Matsumoto Commission's recommendations (ja:松本試案), made public in February 1946, were quite conservative
>MacArthur rejected them outright and ordered his staff to draft a completely new document.


>freedom of religious belief was allowed "insofar as it does not interfere with the duties of subjects" (all Japanese were required to acknowledge the Emperor's divinity, and those, such as Christians, who refused to do so out of religious conviction were accused of lèse-majesté). Such freedoms are delineated in the post-war constitution without qualification.

>The constitution guarantees equality before the law and outlaws discrimination against Japanese citizens based on "political, economic or social relations" or "race, creed, sex, social status or family origin" (Article 14). The right to vote cannot be denied on the grounds of "race, creed, sex, social status, family origin, education, property or income" (Article 44). Equality between the sexes is explicitly guaranteed in relation to marriage (Article 24) and childhood education (Article 26).

>The state is prohibited from granting privileges or political authority to a religion, or conducting religious education (Article 20).

>All guaranteed without qualification by Article 21, which forbids censorship.

>>131176
Worked out pretty well for Japan.

>>131211
No, not really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza
>While ethnic Koreans make up only 0.5% of the Japanese population, they are a prominent part of yakuza
>In the early 1990s, 18 of 90 top bosses of Inagawa-kai were ethnic Koreans. The Japanese National Police Agency suggested Koreans composed 10% of the yakuza proper and 70% of burakumin in the Yamaguchi-gumi.[37]
>The Korean significance had been an untouchable taboo in Japan and one of the reasons that the Japanese version of Kaplan and Dubro's Yakuza (1986) had not been published until 1991 with the deletion of Korean-related descriptions of the Yamaguchi-gumi.[40]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongryon
>The General Association of Korean Residents in Japan[2]
>For a long time, Chongryon enjoyed unofficial immunity from searches and investigations, partly out of respect for its role as North Korea's de facto embassy, and partly due to its power as a political pressure group
>Acts which Chongryon officials are suspected of include illicit transfer of funds to North Korea, espionage, and smuggling of technology and missile parts.
>In 2003, a North Korean defector made a statement to the US Senate committee stating that more than 90% of the parts used by North Korea to construct its missiles were brought from Japan aboard Mangyongbong-92, a Chongryon-operated ship which is the only regular direct link between North Korea and Japan.[42]
>In March 2006, police raided six Chongryon-related facilities in an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the June 1980 disappearance of one of the alleged abductees, Tadaaki Hara. Police spokesman said that the head of Chongryon at the time is suspected of co-operating in his kidnap.[45]


'Chikan' id est train grouper / molester.
In Japanese: 痴漢
Break down the words: 痴 = stupid/foolish et cetera, 漢 = Han Chinese.

>>131176
>>131262

I'm not seeing anything there that states a country somehow must accept bazillions of violent foreigners.

>>130711
Damn i had no idea euroup was a 2000 year old country...

>>131407
How can you if you did not read it all.

>>131550

Since you have presumably read it all, feel free to post the relevant portions of their constitutions that states they must accept bazillions of violent foreigners.

>>131567
I just did.
Actually read it, stupid American.

>>130828
Dunno man, suicide completion is linked to availability of means of suicide. People who fail to suicide generally won't try again, and if they do, few of them will succeed. Having a gun at home kinda raise the odds.

>>131574
>I just did.

Then post the relevant portions of their constitutions that states they must accept bazillions of violent foreigners.

>>131602
You Americans are so lazy. I'm not going to teach you for free, that's Communist.

>>131584
>Having a gun at home kinda raise the odds.

The method used is irrelevant, nobody commits suicide _because_ they have a firearm.

It's the equivalent of saying that people are fat because spoons cause them to eat gallons of ice cream.

>>131604
>I'm not going to teach you for free

So then you've got nothing?

In that case, I graciously accept your surrender.

>>131606
Okay.

>>130831
That's too presumptuous I think, even a well adjusted person can have a breakdown while armed with a fire arm, and it's actually simple for a a not well adjusted crazy person to get a gun too.

I guess in the end it's better to have a gun and not need it than the other way around.