Susan Rice Ordered Trump Spied Upon

>>128102

The intelligence reports were summaries of monitored conversations -- primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials. One U.S. official familiar with the reports said they contained valuable political information on the Trump transition such as whom the Trump team was meeting, the views of Trump associates on foreign policy matters and plans for the incoming administration.

Rice did not respond to an email seeking comment on Monday morning. Her role in requesting the identities of Trump transition officials adds an important element to the dueling investigations surrounding the Trump White House since the president's inauguration.

Both the House and Senate intelligence committees are probing any ties between Trump associates and a Russian influence operation against Hillary Clinton during the election. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Representative Devin Nunes, is also investigating how the Obama White House kept tabs on the Trump transition after the election through unmasking the names of Trump associates incidentally collected in government eavesdropping of foreign officials.

Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today."

Rice's requests to unmask the names of Trump transition officials does not vindicate Trump's own tweets from March 4 in which he accused Obama of illegally tapping Trump Tower. There remains no evidence to support that claim.

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>>128104

But Rice's multiple requests to learn the identities of Trump officials discussed in intelligence reports during the transition period does highlight a longstanding concern for civil liberties advocates about U.S. surveillance programs. The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

The news about Rice also sheds light on the strange behavior of Nunes in the last two weeks. It emerged last week that he traveled to the White House last month, the night before he made an explosive allegation about Trump transition officials caught up in incidental surveillance. At the time he said he needed to go to the White House because the reports were only on a database for the executive branch. It now appears that he needed to view computer systems within the National Security Council that would include the logs of Rice's requests to unmask U.S. persons.

The ranking Democrat on the committee Nunes chairs, Representative Adam Schiff, viewed these reports on Friday. In comments to the press over the weekend he declined to discuss the contents of these reports, but also said it was highly unusual for the reports to be shown only to Nunes and not himself and other members of the committee.

Indeed, much about this is highly unusual: if not how the surveillance was collected, then certainly how and why it was disseminated.

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>>128102
>anonymous sources say
Yawn. Wake me up when there's actual evidence and not something Trump's NSC guys leaked to the one rightwing guy at Bloomberg.

>>128107
>
> > anonymous sources say Trump is a racist rapist and Putin’s puppet
> Ah ha! Undeniable proof of what we’ve been saying all along! Fucking Drumpf!
> > anonymous sources say Obama and Hillary spied on Trump
> Yawn. Wake me up when there's actual evidence

D E M O C R A T S B T F O H A H A H A H A

>>128114
Yeah but you're missing the point: in this case it's obvious who these anonymous sources are: The Trump Administration's National Security Council. They're the same bunch who leaked the previous "revelations" to Nunes last week. Literally Hannity-tier garbage.

>>128115
BTFO of what?

The article specifically says Rice was never successful in getting people unmasked, and that's only if you believe the anonymous source which says Rice was heavily involved anyway. Also the fact that Comey. Clapper, et.al. say there was no wiretapping.

So what's the news here?

>>128121
>Comey
I'd hate to be Comey right now, each side thinks he's a shill for the other

>>128124
do you think he really cares that other people think he's a shill? do you think he really cares what a bunch of drooling retard alt-rightists or braindead far-leftists think? he's the director of the FBI, he has better things to do than play media games with idiots

>>128121
>SO WHAT Obama ordered spying on Trump IT DIDN'T EVEN WORK jeez...

>>128140
Who are you quoting?

> this time its REAL for sure!

kys trumpkuks

Why was Susan Rice was in the wrong to unmask people. She was the NSA, that's totally within her prerogative.

I don't see any evidence that she illegally disseminated the information. Only that the NSA asked to look at raw sigint. That's, like, a daily occurrence.

Big fucking deal?

>>128154
If you read the article you find out she didn't actually unmask anyone, not for lack of trying.

It's the trying that republicans are apparently outraged about. It still doesn't vindicate Trump's wiretapping tweet, but that doesn't stop how it's being portrayed by the right wing part of the clickbait media as doing so.

>>128154
>Why was Susan Rice was in the wrong to unmask people.

Why was Nixon wrong?

>>128186
Cause he broke into the DNC and lied about it.

Susan Rice made a REQUEST that was a routine part of her job when looking at sigint she thought was important.

>>128121
>So what's the news here?
The news is Trump was right.

>Rules regarding "incidental intercepts" were loosened by Obama starting in 2011 - making it easier for the US Government to spy on individuals who are not the primary target(s) of a surveillance operation.
>Authorization to unmask individuals who were 'incidentally' surveilled rested with former CIA Director John Brennan, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and Obama's National Security advisor Susan Rice
>Rice uses powers granted to her by Obama roll back of constraints on the surveillance state to attempt to gather information on Trump personnel, makes multiple attempts to do so
>Rice lies about it on PBS News Hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0akjRDJsY
>NY Times had story for at least 48 hours and sat on it to protect Obama. Question as to whether or not Obama ordered her to make such attempts to unmask Trump personnel, being his advisor

Can't wait to watch Rice and Obama develop Clinton-esque selective amnesia when they're in court.

>>128188
> using the FBI, NSA, CIA, ABCXYZ, etc.
> to spy on a presidential candidate from the opposing party
> routine part of her job

It's no different then what Nixon's people did, except they had to physically look thru papers and files back then.

>>128140
Obama shilled for the other side and it didn't work either.

As the FBI/NSA lead already stated. There is too much of a paper trail and requirements for Obama to have secretly tapped anyone. Now shit would be different if Obama drove to NSA himself and revealed that he was a leet hacker with a perfect understanding of the tools.

>>128199
...xkeyscore is not even that hard to use

>>128189
Sessions-esque

>>128197
Yea, you'd have a point if your facts were right.

Again. For the thousandth time. Today's "bombshell" was that Rice requested unmasked reports.

>>128203
>Today's "bombshell" was that Rice requested unmasked reports.

How naive are you? Do you think National Security Adviser Susan Rice got terabytes of raw data dumped on her desk and sat there scrolling thru it all herself?

She ordered surveillance on Trump and the security services did their job, then she passed the final reports on to Obama and Hillary (who just happened to be running for President…)

For the 5th time ITT, every time Rice made a request to unmask someone it was denied. There is literally nothing to this story except that she made requests.

>>128208
Buddy i think your water filters might be expired.

There's no way to speak to you if your going to continue begging the question with this "literally wiretapping" position.

Speaking strictly about today's news re Rice, there's nothing particularly noteworthy. But don't let today's nothing burger stop you from believing all that other shit.

>>128116
>anonymous says something I believe
>Must be from a credible source
>Anonymous says something I disagree with
>Bah it's just Trump being a phony

A- Both anonymous tips were true and you foolishly chose to believe one anyway

B- Both anonymous tips were false and you foolishly chose to believe one anyway

C- one was false and the other was true, but without proof of either, you foolishly chose to believe one anyway

What did we learn today class? Critical thinking skills and objective reasoning are important.

>>128250
I'm not the OP but i don't even understand what you're trying to say.

But i like your ABC thing

>>128197
>It's no different then what Nixon's people did, except they had to physically look thru papers and files back then.
Lol, wut?
Nixon had a history of blackmailing people, and
was looking for blackmail material.
Trump's campaign was tangential to a legitimate criminal investigation.

In both cases the Republicans involved posed a serious threat to American democracy.

>>128208
>terabytes of raw data
If you're talking about transcripts and reports that's just absurd.
The King James Bible is only 4 megs. It would take 250,000 copies to make a terabyte.

>>128260
>>128263

Do you really think the NSA, etc. just happened to stumble on data from Trump and his people?

No, nobody is _that_ stupid, so you can only be a shill for Obama and Hillary.

>>128276
Nobody said anything about any NSA data. Rice's requests were denied. Please don't post here if you can't be bothered to read the article.

>>128276
Back to pol friend.

>>128102

>best dirt on dems is the dems trying to get dirt on the GOP

yawn. try harder

>>128203
You're a fucking moron, it's illegal to unmask Americans under surveillance.

It's time to start killing liberals.

>>128308
You're a fucking retard. There was no unmasking, only requests to unmask.

It's time to start killing stupid people like you.

>>128278
>>128291

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/rand-paul-calls-for-susan-rice-to-testify-on-unmasking-trump-officials/#ixzz4dFOGMsbg
JULIEGRACE BRUFKE
Capitol Hill Reporter
04/03/2017

Rand Paul Calls For Susan Rice To Testify On Unmasking Trump Officials

GOP Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul said he believes formerNational Security Advisor Susan Rice should testify before Congress on her request to unmask the names of Trump transition officials collected during routine intelligence-gathering operations.

Paul argued the situationshould not be downplayed, saying reforms need to be made to prevent individuals from being blackmailed on personal aspects of their lives through unmasking. He noted there was nothing stopping the former administration from looking through Trump officials and national security advisors’ conversations during the transition window.

“If it is allowed, we shouldn’t be allowing it, but I don’t think should just discount how big a deal it is that Susan Rice was looking at these,” he told reporters Monday. “And she needs to be asked, ‘Did President Obama ask her to do this? Was this a directive from President Obama? I think she should testify under oath on this.”

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>>128325

Paul said he has long thought there are too many people with the ability to unmask individuals.

“Thelaw says you can’t reverse target people, but how would you know that once you get inside the brain and the people that are unmasking people,” Paul continued. “So, what if I decided to unmask and I’m there and I only unmask the conversations of my Democrat opponents — shouldn’t there be more restrictions for unmasking people in the political process?”

He said he believes there should be two individuals at the top of the agency to allow for identities to be unmasked. Paul noted the process is indiscriminate, noting the United States previouslycaptured every phone call in Italy for a month.

“Basically there’s no Fourth Amendment when you use these kinds of things, you go with a lower standardbecause we’ve got to protect the country and we don’t care about spying on foreigners,” he said, adding there are said to be millions of Americans caught up in the country’s foreign targeting.

Paul said the president did not bring up the matter on their golf trip Sunday, but he voiced his opinion on the matter.

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>>128326
>>128325
What don't you understand about how none of her requests were granted?

>>128332
>none of her requests were granted

http://circa.com/politics/accountability/white-house-logs-indicate-susan-rice-consumed-unmasked-intel-on-trump-associates
by Sara Carter and John Solomon
April 3, 2017

White House logs indicate Susan Rice consumed unmasked intel on Trump associates

Computer logs that former President Obama’s team left behind in the White House indicate his national security adviser Susan Rice accessed numerous intelligence reports during Obama's last seven months in office that contained National Security Agency intercepts involving Donald Trump and his associates, Circa has learned.

Intelligence sources said the logs discovered by National Security Council staff suggested Rice’s interest in the NSA materials, some of which included unmasked Americans' identities, appeared to begin last July around the time Trump secured the GOP nomination and accelerated after Trump’s election in November launched a transition that continued through January.

The intelligence reports included some intercepts of Americans talking to foreigners and many more involving foreign leaders talking about the future president, his campaign associates or his transition, the sources said. Most if not all had nothing to do with the Russian election interference scandal, the sources said, speaking only on condition of anonymity given the sensitive nature of thematerials.

Ordinarily, such references to Americans would be redacted or minimized by the NSA before being shared with outside intelligence sources, but in these cases, names were sometimes unmasked at the request of Rice or the intelligence reports were specific enough that the American’s identity was easily ascertained, the sources said.

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>>128350

The exact national security justifications for Rice accessing the reports isn’t clear and may require additional documentation that the House and Senate intelligence committees have requested from the NSA, America’s lead agency in spying on foreign powers.

How the information was disseminated beyond Rice will also be a potential focus of congressional oversight, since lawmakers may want to know if it was briefed to Obama or shared with members of her larger circle of advisers, like deputy Ben Rhodes.

Rice has not returned repeated calls for comment from Circa. But in an interview with PBS recently, she said she had no idea what House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nuneswas talking about when he said Obama officials were monitoring Trump associates after the election.

One intelligence professional with detailed knowledge of how the NSA and other intelligence agencies share information with the White House during transitions told Circa that U.S. intelligence reporting on foreign leaders’ perceptions of Trump spiked after his unexpected election win in November, creating a trove of information that could be accessed by the outgoing White House.

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>>128352

“There’s always intelligence reporting on an incoming president and how the world is reacting but this election was not like others, and that reporting spiked,” the source said. “Whether and how it was used by the Obama team will have to be evaluated separate of the fact that the reporting this time around was richer and more robust because of the circumstances of the election.”

Both the Republican chairman and Democratic vice chairman of the Housing Intelligence Committee have been shown the documents discovered by the NSC over the last 10 days.

The NSA can legally intercept foreigners’ conversations without court permission under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, but it cannot target Americans’ conversations overseas. If an American is accidentally intercepted or two foreigners are caught talking about an American, that name is supposed to be redacted in intelligence reports and replaced by a description like “U.S. citizen 1.”

But Circa reported last week that Obama opened the door for his political aides like Rice to more easily gain access to unmasked Americans’ names in NSA intercepts through a series of rule changes beginning in 2011.

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>>128350
>circa.com
Oh look, it's Sean Hannity's favorite clickbait blog. Do yourself a favor and go type "Who owns Circanews" into google. The company that brought us the Citizens United SCOTUS decision, and makers of the Hillary movie (from 2012), are hardly an objective source.

>>128353
>>128352
>>128350
Again, what don't you understand about how none of her requests to unmask people were granted?

>>128199
>Now shit would be different if Obama drove to NSA himself
I AM LOVING how democrats are already trying to change the issue

newflash: to the average person, it doesn't matter how Obama spied on Trump. Spying is spying and it's fucked up.

HA HA HA HA HA

>>128357
WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT NOBODY GIVES A FUCK HAHAHAHAHA

obama will go down in infamy, and dark reminder of liberalism run amuck.

>>128358
There was no issue, literally nothing happened except she made requests that went unfulfilled.

>>128360
Who is it you think 'NOBODY' is? You? /pol/? /r/the_donald?

Meet the man who made this story up: Ezra Cohen Watnik

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/3/30/15126072/devin-nunes-source-white-house

https://www.earnthenecklace.com/ezra-cohen-watnick-wiki-secrets-leaks-iran-cia-and-the-fast-track/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/29/the-nunes-white-house-question-assessed-minute-by-minute/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/white-house-aides-helped-nunes-get-intelligence-reports/article/2007446

>>128361
HA HA HA HA HA HA!

>>128365
Keep laughing like a hyena if you want, it doesn't make the story more legitimate.

>>128357
>none of her requests to unmask people were granted

"but in these cases, names were sometimes unmasked at the request of Rice"

Is English perhaps a second language for you?

>>128356
> Unable to address the accusations being made?
> Just disregard the source and declare victory!

>>128380
The accusation was already debunked in the second post, Anon, try and keep up.

>>128378
No, that isn't how Rice's position works. She did not have the power to unmask anyone without either Comey's or NSC Director Rogers's approval. Nice try though, really, but you must try harder.

>>128381
> Do as I say, not as I do!

If anonymous sources are acceptable when it comes to attacking Trump, they're just as valid when it come to exposing Obama and Hillary's corruption

>>128383
>She did not have the power to unmask anyone
>
>>128325
>>128326
> He noted there was nothing stopping the former administration from looking through Trump officials and national security advisors’ conversations during the transition window.
> Paul said he has long thought there are too many people with the ability to unmask individuals.
> Paul noted the process is indiscriminate, noting the United States previously captured every phone call in Italy for a month.

>>128384
You don't seem to get the fact that her position literally did not allow her to do the things this story is alleging. When she tried to get her requests approved, she was denied by the NSC head Mike Rogers. That's where the story ends. There was no unmasking, no leaks, and Comey and Clappers testimony from January confirms that

>>128390
>maybe if I copypaste this other speculative story it will be true this time!
Jesus, kid, give it a rest. Rice didn't do anything and this Ezra Cohen Watnick dropped her name as a distraction from >>128174 and >>128264 , which is what the liberal parts of the media reported on all day.

>>128252
An anonymous source has no value unless it confirms a bias. It is only through the unmasking or confirmation of the claims that we can look back and see the true value of the source. To believe an anonymous source at face value and accept it as fact is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

>I am a white house staffer and Trump does nothing but watch TV in a bathrobe.

>>128114
They spied on other people too, Trump-kun

>>128378
>were sometimes
Please do not give other posting shit for English when your grasp is minimal at best.

>>128861
A verified Anonymous source from.a journalist =\= your stupid face

>>128866

And "sometimes" could be anywhere up to 99.9%.

Do you honestly think Americans security services told Obama to fuck off when he demanded info on Trump?

>>128961
If you honestly think Obama demanded info on Trump then there is no hope for you to begin with.

>>128993
So you agree the same thing applies to Russian conspiracy theorists?

>>128867
>an anonymous source verified by a journalist who says what I want them to say

Breitbart has journalists as does buzzfeed and I would not trust either to supply an anonymous source.

>your stupid face
Scathing. I don't know how I will ever recover

>>128102
All this fuzz is nothing but a distraction of what is really going on in the white house.

>>129324
Yes, The Trump administration stumbled over itself by its constant deflection, obfuscation of truth, and aggression against the media. People are tired of the chaos and they will get even more tired of Trump constantly blaming Obama, just as Obama officials blamed Bush, but unlike the economic disaster of Bush's last year in office, Trump has no such disaster to rely upon.

The collusion between Trump officials and Russia is so painfully obvious at this point, that all Trump's opposition has to do is keep pressing, including half of Trump's own party who will not respond well to some of the compromises Trump will have to make to get the congress to enact or revoke legislation.

>world is observing