Trump Pursues His Attack on Sweden, With Scant Evidence

>Immigration is, in fact, a hotly debated issue in Sweden, Germany and many other European countries, and a subject of frequent news coverage.

>Moreover, statistics in Sweden do not back Mr. Trump’s claims. Preliminary data released last month by Sweden’s crime prevention council found no appreciable increase in crimes from 2015, when the country processed a record 163,000 asylum applications, to 2016. The council did note an increase in assaults and rapes last year, but also recorded a drop in thefts, robberies and drug offenses.

>Officials say they have not seen any evidence for the claim, prevalent in right-wing media like Breitbart and Infowars, that migration has driven a surge in crime. The government has not provided a breakdown of crime statistics according to the ethnic or national background of suspects since 2005, though one right-wing party has called on the government to provide updated statistics.

>“The general crime rate in Sweden is below the U.S. national average,” the State Department noted last May.

>Although terrorism is a concern for Sweden — an Iraqi-born Swede carried out a suicide bombing in central Stockholm in 2010 — the authorities say they are equally worried about racist hate crimes, including attacks on migrants.

>Carl Bildt, a former prime minister and foreign minister of Sweden, made a jab at Mr. Trump on Twitter: “Just a piece of friendly advice: when you are in a hole, stop digging.”

>A terrorism expert, Magnus Ranstorp, research director of the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish Defense University in Stockholm, said that Mr. Trump was trying to shift the focus of his comments from asylum seekers and crime to immigration in general.
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>Members of Parliament expressed anger.

>“This statement created an unnecessary discussion and misunderstanding,” said Karin Enstrom, the foreign affairs spokeswoman for the opposition Moderate Party. “We expect the president of the U.S. to base his statements on facts.”

>Another lawmaker, Pernilla Stalhammar, the foreign policy spokeswoman for the Green Party, expressed surprise that Mr. Trump had relied on Fox News for information about Sweden.

>“The problem is that the segment had a lot of incorrect information in it,” she said. “There aren’t any no-go zones in Sweden and the number of crimes against individuals is at about the same level as it was.”

>She added: “This incident demonstrates the importance of thoroughly critiquing sources to prevent spreading incorrect images that risk fomenting xenophobic sentiments in society. That Sweden is portrayed incorrectly is very serious. We cannot allow reality to be kidnapped by untruths that become true just because they are repeated enough times.”

>The Fox News segment was an interview by the host Tucker Carlson with Ami Horowitz, a filmmaker who asserted that police “oftentimes try to cover up some of these crimes” committed by migrants.

>On Fox News on Monday, Mr. Carlson argued that although “the president ought to be precise in what he says, there should be no confusion about what he means.”

>Mr. Carlson said that assimilation had failed and that immigration was “in the process of totally changing these ancient cultures into something different and much more volatile and much more threatening.”
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>Critics of Sweden’s migration policies have pointed to a Facebook post on Feb. 3 by a police officer, Peter Springare, who said that migrants were taxing Sweden’s pension, education and health care systems and that migrants were the principal culprits in assaults. Some of them are without papers and cannot be properly prosecuted, he said.

>“Half of the suspects we cannot even be sure of because they don’t have any valid papers,” he wrote. “Most often this means they are lying about their country of origin and identity.”

>However, other police officers disagree. The Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter on Monday quoted two police officers interviewed by Mr. Horowitz, Anders Goranzon and Jacob Ekstrom, saying that the filmmaker had selectively edited and distorted their comments to prove his thesis in a video he posted on YouTube. They said Mr. Horowitz had asked them about high-crime neighborhoods, and that they did not agree with his argument about the link between migration and crime.

>“This is bad journalism,” Mr. Goranzon said. Mr. Horowitz did not respond to a request for comment.

>Mr. Lofven, the prime minister, told the newspaper Expressen on Feb. 7 that Mr. Springare was exaggerating. “I have a hard time seeing that 100 percent of the police’s investigative capacity is occupied with crimes perpetrated by immigrants,” he said.

Looks Like Donald Trump Was Right About Sweden After All
>>113376
Nice try

President Donald Trump was the subject of mockery on Sunday after delivering a speech in Florida in which he referred to an incident “last night in Sweden” — but he appears to have been referring to an actual, accurate news report, albeit one that wasn’t technically live or breaking.

As soon as the words flew from Trump’s mouth, social media began buzzing with jokes about his “fake news” story about a migrant attack in the historic Scandinavian country. The hashtag, #lastnightinSweden cropped up, warning the world that Sweden might be plotting a takeover, with its pickled herring and its cheap do-it-yourself furniture (see our related article on IKEA Israel!).

Even Chelsea Clinton, whose mother famously made up a story about being shot at by snipers as she boarded a plane in Bosnia, got in on the action.

Trump also managed to baffle Sweden itself, which responded by asking the Trump Administration for any inside information they might have about a recent attack in their country.

But Trump may not have been wrong – at least, in terms of subject matter. Friday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson interviewed documentarian Ami Horowitz about his upcoming film about violence involving migrants in Sweden. Horowitz claims that the Swedish government is downplaying an uptick in violence that followed a wave of refugee migration into the country.

During the segment, Carlson showed contemporary clips from the documentary.

Trump has said that he gets most of his information from watching television, primarily Fox News and other 24-hour cable news networks. It’s no surprise, then, that the story of Sweden to which he referred originated 0n a hugely popular prime time news program.


http://heatst.com/politics/looks-like-donald-trump-was-right-about-sweden-after-all/

Trump’s Twitter critics were just interpreting him too literally.

As for Sweden, Ami Horowitz’s film shows a country that is deep in denial about a growing problem of migrant violence – including a sharp uptick in rape over the last five years. Horowitz claims that the increase correlates directly to Sweden’s refugee acceptance program; the country has taken in more than 190,000 Muslim immigrants in the same time frame.

Sweden, Horowitz says, is hiding the truth about its situation, and the Swedish people want their country to adapt to the migrants, rather than requiring the migrants to adapt to Sweden.

>>113384
>heatst.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_Street
lol, no. Also, the article specifically rebuts Horowitz's claims. The heatst.com article just repeats the same debunked claims and then says "looks like he might be right after all!" without evidence.

>>113385
Horowitz's unsourced claims in the film is why Trump is being questioned now for repeating them. Did you even read the article?

what a maroon.
putin is gonna take half of yurop in the next 8 years

Well to get some perspective from an actual swede (actually, a bosnian who moved there while a kid) watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY

Sweden is a hellhole.

>People are actually going to pretend Sweden, the new rape capital of Europe, isn't shit just because Trump said it's shit.

This man could say you need to breathe air and people would start sucking on a car exhaust to spite him.

>>113422
>This man could say you need to breathe air and people would start sucking on a car exhaust to spite him.
This

Stockholm tonight:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Lz524/polis-avlossade-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare-i-rinkeby

It's like he breathes /pol/ memes all day

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/barcelona-police-shoot-driver-speeding-truck-full-gas-cylinders/

I doubt his name is Åke, Johann or Robert.

>>113430
>bork bork bork
I see cars burning

>trump says unclear statement which doesnt really mean anything.
>the left makes up all kinds of nonsensical interpretations
>accuses him of lying and making stuff up
>trump later states what he meant
>keep accusing him of lying
just cant stop doing this can they.

>>113643
That's a nice way of spinning the fact that Trump made up shit about Sweden based on some Fox News interview with a discredited film producer.

>>113645
meanwhile in sweden, a bunch of refugees flip over cars, set things on fire and steal things, proving they really are peaceful.

maybe you really are just ignorant but sweden's an ever-worsening clusterfuck, and it hasn't even gotten bad yet. sweden will be the first to fall.

>>113653
>sweden's an ever-worsening clusterfuck
The government of Sweden disagrees according to the OP article.

>>113656
the same government that loves to use censorship to "solve" any issue involving immigrants and refugees.

>>113645
>That's a nice way of spinning the fact that Trump made up shit
And yet Stockholm is on fire and first responders get attacked by rioters in no go zones.

How does it feel letting fake news control your life and lie to you?

>>113401
Serves them right, spending next to nothing on their own defense expecting Daddy America to do everything while vocally criticizing our "Military-Industrial Complex"

>>113665
>How does it feel letting fake news control your life and lie to you?
Feels pretty good because that isn't what fake news is. Here's a clue:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news_website

>>113672
wikipedia is indeed a good example of fake news
i dont know why you added anything past the .org though.

>>113376
trump literally gets his news from /pol/

Swedish police aren't supposed to report on perpetrators ethnicity, because that would prove there is a problem with refugees. The police officials are incredibly corrupt and speaking out as a police officer will land you in serious trouble, not to mention the pay is very low compared to many other jobs.
For people living here the situation has worsened significantly over the years, anyone claiming otherwise are either retarded, in denial or just lying.

>>113704
don't forget that 2nd generation immigrants, basically anyone who's moved there as a child, and everyone born there are in the statistics as a "native citizen", not as "immigrant" or "foreigner" or "of x decent"
just plain and simple "swedish person"
making statistics based on the color of your skin, your religion, or your culture is raycissssss

>>113704
>>113781
Got any sources other than /pol/ to back that up?

>>113790
Does it matter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

On 20 February 2017, rioting broke out in Rinkeby, a predominantly immigrant-populated suburb of the Swedish capital Stockholm.

Rinkeby, a suburb that the Associated Press describes as a symbol of "failed integration policies," was previously the site of riots in 2010 and 2013.[1]

Rioting broke out in the evening of Monday, 20 February, provoked by a crowd of youths who assembled after a drug-related arrest near the Metro station. In four hours of unrest, cars were burnt, shops vandalised and police hit with rocks. One officer was hit by a thrown rock and citizens who attempted to calm the rioters were assaulted. A police spokesman confirmed that the police attempted to shoot a rioter but missed.[2][3][3][4] A photographer from Dagens Nyheter newspaper was assaulted by a group of around 15 people.[5]

The riots came two days after Swedish officials ridiculed the American president Donald Trump for suggesting that migration was leading to a crime wave in the country.[4]

Sweden's a fucking joke.

>>113796
Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

>>113809

That's unfortunate!

Too bad we still dunno what the president was referring to, since he's not a time traveler to my understanding.

>>113796
If you have no sources then you have no argument.
>>>/pol/

>>113812
this has been a pattern for at least half a decade, and pretending this just came out of thin air is disingenuous at best.

>>113812
Your tiny brain can't comprehend all the dimensions of this chess game, time is merely the fourth dimension

the god emperor moves through it with ease as you stumble in your three dimensional cage

>>113824
So is it about Syrian refugees or...

>>113828
"syrian refugees" are hardly syrian, but yes, it's about "syrian refugees" committing a disproportionate amount of crime, much of it violent.

see: france, germany, sweden, etc.

or are you trying to be sarcastic?

>>113387
>Heatst being less legit news source than CNN

>>113812
i know its hard, but maybe you should stop letting the media think for you.

he may not be the best at saying things clearly, but trump did explain what he meant.

>>113844
Yes, it is.

>>113656
just in: north korea officials say north korea is a democratic country

>>114388
>The Government of Sweden is the same as Government of North Korea.
Nice false equivalence.

Trump is right,
The swedish police is blackmailed

>>113376
>With Scant Evidence
>Literal riots aren't evidence.
F A K E
N E W S

>>113811
Go there and find out for yourself, fucknut. Lets cut the shit shall we?

>>114484
not him but the burden of proof rests with you and your claim, also please refrain from using that language, my uncle was a sex addict; it ruined his life, and that word triggers my anxiety

What a day to be alive, I say, What a day.
To see so many fools believing in solely what they are told, not taking stock or researching on their own, and then boldly taking action. What a day to be alive, to see fools rule the world today.

>>114481
Are you going to scream fake news in all caps in every thread you don't like?

>>114501
Honestly this applies to everyone itt

>>114481

>riots
>20 people

OHH NOOOOO IM SO SCAREDDDD.

WEW thats some spin, fuckstick.

>>114490
triggering intensifies?

>>114858
It's not just the recent riot, there have been sexual assaults, knife and machete attacks, and robberies ever since the refugees started coming here and there have been several papers leaked that told the news not to mention the attacks if they could help it and if they did, not to mention they were refugees at any cost. The police have come out and stated these people are not integrating and they are causing trouble.

>>114858
"20 people" counts as "a massive protest" on CNN.

>>115381
CNN has nothing to do with Sweden

>>115372
Source?

>>115372
There were sexual assaults, knife attacks, and robberies long before the refugees got there, The only difference is that now you can conveniently blame darkskins.

Sweden is disgusting place,rape capital of industrialized world.

>>114396
>he thinks a false equivalence is the same as hyperbole

>>115430
He doesn't know what hyperbole is and calls false equivalencies hyperbolic.

>>115372
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
>There were over 30 grenade attacks reported in the Swedish city of Malmö alone by August 2015
but this is just normal :^)

>>115533
Nice cherry picking, but anecdotal evidence doesn't represent the whole. The Government of Sweden says the claims are bullshit.

>>113376
>scant evidence
>over 1000x more rapes in last 2 years
go fuck yourself

>>115623
Grenades.

They are military hardware.

The refugees are bringing old Russian F1s with them in their backpacks.

>The Government of Sweden says the claims are bullshit.

That's because the Government of Sweden WANTS THEM THERE.

>>115640
Source?

>>115641
That guy is a peice of !@#$%

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/trump-right-swedes-are-suppressed-religious-cult-political-correctness

>>115641
>The Government of Sweden says the claims are bullshit.

That's because the Government of Sweden WANTS THEM THERE.

please do not blame everything that doesn't correspond with your worldview on conspiracy.

either provide sufficient evidence to establish conspiracy as the most likely explanation, or change your ideas or accept your views on the matter are opinion and not fact.

>>115656
>zerohedge
Not a valid news source.
>>>/pol/

>>115641
>Grenades.
According to whom? Brevik?

>>115623
>The Government of Sweden says the claims are bullshit.

>trusting a progressive government to not lie about issues caused by minorities
hahaha.
stop being so fucking delusional.

>>115686

See >>115533
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

>>113406
>from an actual swede
>a bosnian
Lol