John McCain's Historic Speech

>>113047
Are you sure he's attacking Trump with this speech? Just from reading those quotes, it sounds far more like he's attacking globalists, or maybe SJW leftists.

>>113049
The link is just for the video of the speech. You can ignore the article.

>>113049
Although it is 100% about NATO. He gave it at the Munich Security Conference and the topic was about whether the West can survive into the future.

>>113049
globalists =/= SJW lefties

>>113072
Im sure he was talking about his illegitimate black daughter.
Love,
Karl Rove

>>113047
>John McCain is now the new media hero against oppression

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THE MAN IS SO DEEP IN THE POCKET OF THE DEEP STATE THERE'S LITERALLY FUCKING PICTURES OF HIM ACTING AS A LIASON BETWEEN THE IC AND "MODERATE REBELS" WHO WENT ON TO FORM ISIS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE THE ARMS PIPELINE THEY WERE RUNNING TO THE REBELS(ISIS) WAS STILL BEING WELL RECEIVED.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-revealed-mccains-moderate-rebels-in-syria-are-isis/5426535
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762680/Feeding-frenzy-debunks-Rand-Paul-claim-John-McCain-met-ISIS-linked-jihadists-Syria.html
http://anonhq.com/john-mccain-admits-hes-intimate-with-isis/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/
http://www.infowars.com/video-isis-leader-was-armed-funded-by-obama-white-house/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzV9bjMg2ZU

>>113050
>ignore the article

I assume this is threatening to you?

It is what it is, its a speech. And it links to the speech. What more do you want?

>>113113
>infowars

>>113135
>5 other sources
>Muh info wars

Pravda plz go.

>>113141
>infowars

john mccain is an idiot. this whole speech seems like that comic

"DON'T YOU GET IT GUYS, ISIS WANTS YOU TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!!! GOD!!"

taking reasonable security cautions /=/ trump is a dictator american 4th reich on the horizon

>>113141
>5 other sources

Most of which are as shit as Infowars.

What's your point?

>>113147
>>113152
>What's your point?
That it's far more easy & comforting to dig in your heels and attack the source without ever actually address what it presents.

Nonetheless, I accept your resignation from the conversation and don't hold it against you personally for not being able to keep up with the argument. There's always next time :^)

>>113161
>infowars
>gay frogs

>>113151
>john mccain is an idiot. this whole speech seems like that comic

Obviously you have no knowledge of history.

>>113072
They are exactly the same thing!! Wtf are you thinking?

>>113113
>globalresearch
>dailymail"
>theatlantic
>infowars
>youtube
>anonhq

Trumptards are incapable of understanding the necessity for multifaceted, complex foreign policy.

If a panel of experts is placed in charge of designing nuanced policy initiative with some long-term strategic vision, trumptards default to suspicion of conspiracy from inability or unwillingness to understand the complexities of the provisions therein.

Why the US sometimes picks and chooses is battles is lost on them. In this sort of worldview, anyone that isn't our friend is necessarily at war with us.

Oh well. Maybe one of those intelligent countries with an understanding of the need for meritocracy and intellectualism, like China, will take up the mantle and lead human civilization next.

>>113194
If the next world order is led by China, I probably wouldn't have too many problems with that.

The reason that the Soviet Union was such a shit-tier world power is that Russians just suck (no offense). Meanwhile, China will eventually be like 10 Japans, except not cucked by the West.

>This is not just a material struggle
Sure it's not...

>>113178
Many of the furthest left lefties have been hating globalists long before Trump made it cool. But I guess you prefer your alternative reality where he invented the very idea.

>>113194
>Trumptards

dropped.jpg

>>113194
>if I greentext everything that upsets me, that will legitimize my arguments !
>Let me start by calling everyone I don't like a "retard"
o-ok

I'm not an american, but you sound very bitter, don't be an asshole to the people whose minds you want to change, ok?

>>113207
>lefties have been hating globalists long before Trump made it cool.
>NO ME

This is sad bro. Really fucking sad.

Communism IS globalism, you fucking retard.

>>113214
what, the retard likes being exposed for what he is?

>>113226
Are you retarded?

>>113214
>Trumptards dropped
Always a good decision

>>113226
Your comment just shows that the lefties who fought globalists all along really aren't communists. Good post.

>>113226
no

>>113207
Just to be clear, I'm a lefty that disagrees with globalism for its own sake.

But sometimes there's a coincidence between national interest and global interest. I'd consider myself a national-globalist.

Like with respect to EPA; something that's going to require substantial trans-national cooperation because ecosystems do not obey political boundaries.
And trade. Sometimes we have to bite the bullet and sacrifice some jobs in one industry if it can be done cheaper elsewhere and focus on investing where we can make a bigger impact in international economy, because if the default is protectionism, then our competition can be more protectionist as well.
And foreign policy. Right now, moreso than any other country, we live in an American world order. Not just because we're the largest economy, but because we helped to rebuild the post-WW2 Eurasia in our strategic interest. We want to maintain the balance of power in every region of the world because if China curbstomps its neighbors into submission or Russia becomes a major hegemon once again, that threatens a world order that in many ways institutionally preferences our country's interests.
Even development aid also has some national interest. When more countries feature a middle class, we have more folks to buy and sell from.

So the dichotomy between globalism and nationalism might be tempting but it's often wrong or at least a serious oversimplification with respect to long-term national interest.

To this effect, many of Trump's policies, though billed as nationalism, just strike me as short-sighted-national-interest-ism, because there is generally no apparent thought given to opportunity cost.

>>113072
you're a fucking idiot

>>113047
Nice propagandist title there, fucktard.

>>113275

you are a socialfag that needs to have a life

but it's fags like you I have to thank for thinking and researching geopolitical trends on my behalf because i give less of a fuck than you

so thank you and i love you

After reading that the only thing I can think of is that the global elites got caught with their panties down, and now are trying to recover control by playing on the publics emotions and paranoia.

They could see the rise of nationalism and contain it. But brexit and Trump were curve balls they couldn't see coming. That has spurred on national/cultural pride in the west and has forced the globalist elites back. When did pride in ones nation or culture become a four letter word?

>>113226
You are missing the point bud, globalism is global co-operation of all people.

>>113283
Please look up the Battle of Seattle, you underage piece of nothing.

>>113297
Sometime around WWII.

Nationalism got really crazy in the 19th century and the world wars were the result. So that's why.

Much as I have issues w/ McCain's politics, he's not wrong here, & he's speaking of terrorist tactics straight out of "Management of Savagery" (whether he realizes it or not)

">Maybe one of those intelligent countries with an understanding of the need for meritocracy and intellectualism, like China"

you forgot the "/s" at the end of that, bub.

FTFY

>>113203

The USSR failed b/c Marxism is a failed, naive ideology that appeals to slackers & thieves, & does not survive contact w/ reality, taking millions of innocents in the process.

China has been only getting by b/c they Frankensteined it to some measure of competitive market ventures to avoid economic stagnation, but their bubble will only hold for so long (the whole 1-child policy is also poised to bite them in the ass once their nation turns into a geriatric sausage-fest). Meanwhile, their government is *still* desperately clinging to Communist authoritarianism like a drowning rat to a piece of driftwood (Great Firewall of China, etc), b/c they *know* if they didn't, their control over the people would collapse.

China *used* to have a great civilization, & now you can't even *see* Bejing b/c of the smog that makes LA look like a pristine alpine meadow. = "progress!"

I'm from the USSR, & I was there when it fell. Now all I want for Xmas is for the rest of Marxism to die completely & irrevocably, like the failed experiment that it is.

(P.S. Free Tibet!)

People, if it weren't obvious already, this is a simulation and it's run by a single entity who's job it is to fool itself into thinking it's a bunch of individuals...us. The only thing that makes me mention this here and now, contrary to proper theater "etiquette", is the fact I seriously think we are under attack by a rouge intelligence which uses inverse logic/anti-trust processes to replicate itself across various consciousnesses. It spreads by us being lazy fucks and not educating our own egos on the TRUTH of what is going on. Stop listening to other people just to parrot what you think sounds good. Actually take a walk and think about the things you believe. If you want a little hard on, try sitting quietly for a moment and noting all the BS that your brain barfs up for you to deal with. That shit isn't normal, and technology is making it worse. Stop letting others speak for you or your aggregate, take action by not repeating illogical comments where the can be caught and spread by others.

Unless that's your thing, of course. If it is though, know I'm coming for you.

>>113307
Who... are you?

>>113047
>washingtonpost.com
dropped

>>113304
>The USSR failed

rolf. how exactly? the whole fucking world had shocked it death by boycoting and oposing it for fucking 70 years.

>>113309
What does that have to do with a speech McCain gave? It's just a link to the speech. The speech wouldn't be any different if Fox News posted a link to it.

>>113314
>rolf. how exactly?

It no longer exists. It failed to survive.

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>>113314
after nearly a hundred years of mass death, systematic famine, genocide, shortages of basic goods, political repression, military expansionism, slavery, etc. etc. it finally collapsed under it's own weight.

by the way, if you think that the soviet union was just some "poor, persecuted little state :(" you're an idiot. half the world was feeding their people, because the soviet itself was so fucking incompetent as to fail to run BASIC AGRICULTURE TO FEED IT'S OWN CITIZENS.

imagine a system so terrible that it can't do what fucking feudalism could do by the year 500. that's soviet socialism.

no joke, communism is such a bad system that the people would be better off under a monarchy.

>>113047
>we cannot allow ourselves to question the rightness and goodness of the West

Fuck you old chicken hawk

>>113396
>old chicken hawk

McCain's a regular ol' classical interventionist cold-war-style hawk, but definitely not a chicken hawk -- he and many of his kids are/were all front-line military.

Classical interventionism ignores real-world history and data. Offshore balancing is data-driven and was the general policy guiding much of the Obama administration, though that's hard to do when other countries have their own agendas in Libya and Syria, and when the drone program proved to be a political shitstorm both home and abroad.

>>113047
McCain needs to figure out what side he is on. He clearly tries to fuck Trump ever chance he gets. Either figure things out or get out of the way. His past leadership was ineffective, and he has constantly failed to step up for what was right.

Trump is the president and no matter who's feelings that hurts we all need to either be quiet and give the dude some time to work on things or actively seek positive influence on the process.....

Words, are meaningless without works. See Obama, the truth was not in him.....i have been continually dismayed by McCains' eccentric nature.....

>>113264
>>113269
>>113270
>>113298
Communist idiots need to gtfo

>>113396
You have no clue what that term means. Hillary was a chicken hawk, McCain is a hawk hawk.

>>113409
>McCain needs to figure out what side he is on.
are you sure he's changing, and it's not the definition of the "side"s that is constantly in flux?

>>113194
>Oh well. Maybe one of those intelligent countries with an understanding of the need for meritocracy and intellectualism, like China, will take up the mantle and lead human civilization next.

Good. Let them have our global responsibilities.

>>113454
He's a chicken hawk because Trump (of all people) said so.

>>113412
Make me

>>113194
I honestly don't give a shit about what happens to foreigners. Let Russia have Europe and the Arabs, and let China have Asia. Why should we spend money helping other states? If they can't defend themselves, then they deserve to be taken over.

>>113472
>Let them have our global responsibilities.
That's what isolationists said before WWII. World events always have a way of knocking on our door any time we try to isolate ourselves from them. It didn't work then, it won't work now, and it will never ever work.

If you really want things to go your way (and believe me, we do) you need to lead if you have the ability to do so, even if it's more work in the end. It's our choice to make.

>all these retards wanting to willingly give up global control because ?????

Ignorant morons or commie shills, either way you Trumpgoys can fuck off.

>>113519
>Let Russia have ... the Arabs
I don't think you know what you're saying. Your own standard of living heavily depends on America's longstanding partnership with Arab countries. It's just a good thing that people like McCain are in charge, and not people who think like you. There is a good reason for that, too.

>>113297
Nationalism was a tool used by elites to convince the peasants to go off and die/murder in the millions for a new beachfront for their summer palaces. It was one of the huge contributors to the World Wars, and was used throughout the Cold War to whip people up into a frenzy for war. Nationalism is not the answer if you want to wrest power from the elites because it is just another tool for them. What's worse is that it incentives them to try to fuck each other over through wars of conquest, which would be apocalyptic in a post-nuclear world. Guys like Putin are who use and benefit from nationalism.

Not saying that globalism is good either; it's a completely separate sack of dogshit, but at least it incentives major powers not to nuke major population centers.

>>113523
Why is that a bad thing?

Fascism states that peace is a lie and should only be used to prepare for the next war. War makes a nation strong and spoils from conquest are the best fuel for growth.

>>113526
>Nuclear war
>Why is that a bad thing?

You didn't read that entire post, did you?

>>113526
"Three cheers for the war. Three cheers for Italy's war and three cheers for war in general. Peace is hence absurd or rather a pause in war."

"Above all, Fascism, in so far as it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism — born of a renunciation of struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the people who have the courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put a man in front of himself in the alternative of life and death."

"War is to man what motherhood is to a woman. From a philosophical and doctrinal viewpoint, I do not believe in peace."

"For Fascism, the growth of Empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; any renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But Empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice."

"We declare war against socialism, not because it is socialism, but because it has opposed nationalism.... We intend to be an active minority, attract the proletariat away from the official Socialist party. But if the middle class thinks that we are going to be their lightning rods, they are mistaken."

"War is the normal state of the people."

“It is absurd to believe in the possibility of peace...Fascist education must be education for battle. Fascism believes in sanctity and heroism.”

>>113530
Does /pol/ actually believe this shit?

>>113532
Problem libtard?

>>113527
>Muh nuclear war

>>113534
>The Truth is standing in the way of what I want to be true.

>I know I'll put "muh" in front of it. That will instantly make it go away.

>MUH sun rising in the east

The sun rises in the west, libtard