Party of Peace tolerantly attacks people with Wrong Opinions

Nice slanted headline, OP. Should have titled it
"150 anarchists give international attention whore what he craves in planned riot".

>>107457
>no true scotsman

>>107457
>150 anarchists

I heard the university say this, and while I can definitely see a bunch of rando anarchists showing up and doing this I wonder how they came up with that number.

>>107458
Ahh, a /pol/ scholar. So what kind of logical fallacy should the OP headline be categorized as?

>>107465
Just plain bullshit.

Doesn't make attacking people who disagree with you anything less than the fascism they claim to combat.

>>107454

There are many people who attend Berkeley in part due to its reputation/tradition of civil disobedience. So when an inflammatory issue comes up -- like a flaming faggot fascist -- there are kids who may want to get inflammatory.

It would normally take some serious critical mass to get students to risk jail and expulsion for violent protesting (in the 60s Berkeley was one of the easiest UCs to get into, so the stakes weren't as high), so doing so over a Twitter douchebag like Milo seems a little over the top.

Then again, by flaunting his homosexuality as if it defends him from being a bigot, Milo has uniquely deeply pissed off left-wing gays, so I could see a couple students being willing to risk all. The other 145 or so would have to be from outside campus though -- groups like RCP if it's left-wing.

The other possibility is that it's a right-wing false-flag thing, the kind of troll that would not at all be uncharacteristic of Milo (probly not him telling a couple followers to "burn shit" but just "start a riot", and they took it from there).

>>107458
no tru falseflag

>>107487
>The other possibility is that it's a right-wing false-flag thing, the kind of troll that would not at all be uncharacteristic of Milo (probly not him telling a couple followers to "burn shit" but just "start a riot", and they took it from there).
the denial on the left sure runs deep.
especially when there "protests" -- where people burn shit down, damage property and attack random bypassers & people with wrong opinions -- have already happened multiple times

>>107492
>have already happened multiple times

Whitey must be scared now he's getting lynched.

Seriously, saying things like 'the denial on the left sure runs deep' when you must know /pol/ are probably or orchestrating some sort of false flag as we speak, it just sounds disingenuous.

>>107492
>the denial on the left sure runs deep.

Dude, I outlined clearly two scenarios in which this would be a leftist attack, and named RCP (Revolutionary Communist Party) as a possible group that can bring in rioters from off campus (the gay rights group at my undergrad dissolved after the organizer got seriously into the RCP -- like, it was scary -- he was later banned from campus).

>>107479
They would have attacked whoever showed up regardless of political affiliation. Stop feeding Milo's persecution complex. He never had a realistic expectation of speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyaG4oUYtaA&t=7s

>>107487
>The other possibility is that it's a right-wing false-flag thing
>"MY SIDE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG IT WAS OBVIOUSLY AN EVIL TRICK BY RETHUGLICANS AND THE KKK"
>"THOSE LITTLE BLONDE GIRLS BEING BEATEN AND MACED WAS JUST AN ELABORATE PSYOP TO MAKE YOU THINK WE AREN'T NICER AND SMARTER THAN YOU NAZIS"

o i am laffin

>>107515
>/pol/tards constantly scream false flag and psyop
>Makes fun of others when they do it

Heh

>>107517
>B-but /pol/!

Why even bother posting ITT

There's no defense for this kind of shit and it's frankly pathetic that some of you actual 12 year olds even try.

Lol right source and far right source, there is no left source these days :)

Yup, antifas and Milo. Two attentions whores made for each other.

>>107533
Hey, at least there are multiple sources.

>>107541
Who is this antifa group that has been all over this stuff anyway? Some local thing or were they bussed in?

>>107604
Berkeley/SF/Bay Area is ground zero for the anarcho/left agitator/protester and satellite fringe groups.
They demonstrate at the drop of a MAGA hat usually to divert media attention and promote their own agenda with signs and interviews. Many are not even students.
Both sides are exploiting each other for attention since the outcome is so predictable.

>>107495
Yes, how could the ideologically intollerant and judgemental modern American left possibly breed intollerant judgemental assholes?

>>107454
I look forward to being conscripted into Trumps civillian militia squad tasked with rounding up these scum and transporting them to the work camps.

>>107614
>ideologically intollerant and judgemental modern American left
>ideologically intollerant and judgemental
>ideologically intollerant
>ideologically

>>107620
Did I stutter?

>>107458
What happened is unfortunate but the vast majority of liberals are peaceful and the same dynamics of a few loud violent types while the large majority are peaceful exists among conservatives.

>>107495
Nice tinfoil hat you got there. Try using occams razor you stupid shit, its more.likely that the left is a bunch of pussies running around in large numbers burning shit and fighting people 10v1 than a false flag run by a bunch of skinheads. Fucking christ for as much as you entitled cunts borrow for college you sure don't know shit.

>>107614

Left in the US hardly means anything now that the right's become so extreme their party courts support from racial nationalists, denies science, and resents separation of church and state and basic constitutional liberties like free press.

The left has basically remained to collect everyone that's been left out, majority being centrist.
The right lost the popular vote by historic margins and otherwise only barely won because the front-runner leftist candidate refused to talk about immigration fears and middle-american jobs, which were deal-breakers.

>>107639
>Le right wingers are Xtreme maymay

Which party supports open borders? Abortions?

All right wingers want is for you to stop changing the country as fast as feasibly possible.

>>107517
Are you the guy who constantly false flags on this board? Because thats why you're constantly "being made fun of" you pussy.

>>107639
>Left in the US hardly means anything
Oh sweet summer child.

>and basic constitutional liberties like free press
Left-leaning media started the call for ending fake news by waving around a bullshit list made by a hardcore tumblrina, which unsurprisingly fingered genuine shit like Breitbart but magically ignored Huffpost and other retarded leftist rags

>The left has basically remained to collect everyone that's been left out, majority being centrist
Once upon a time. The new left is increasingly all about back-biting identity politics and toeing the party line. You disagree with safe spaces and get branded a Nazi, etc. More and more centrists are being pushed right as a result. Shit like UC Berkeley is only going to continue that trend.

>The right lost the popular vote by historic margins and otherwise only barely won because the front-runner leftist candidate refused to talk about immigration fears and middle-american jobs, which were deal-breakers.
There is so much wrong with this I almost don't know where to begin. The left managed to lose all but a handful of state legislatures and all three branches of federal government this last time around. The popular vote is such a fucking meme at this point because it's the only thing the left can cling to in the face of such a stunning loss. Even if we're talking about the presidential election alone, it wasn't just for those reasons why Hillary lost. She was probably one of the worst possible candidates for the left at this time because so many people were looking for another round of Hope and Change, something embodied far more by Sanders and Trump. Instead, Hillary was Mrs. Business As Usual, with suspicious ties to Wall Street, a history of lying through her teeth, and scandal after scandal after scandal weighing her down. It can be argued that what really fucked over the nation was the idiots running the DNC.

>>107647
>Left-leaning media started the call for ending fake news by waving around a bullshit list made by a hardcore tumblrina, which unsurprisingly fingered genuine shit like Breitbart but magically ignored Huffpost and other retarded leftist rags

Partisan leftist publications like huffpo may love to inject infuriating opinions but don't even approach that level of manufacturing of information.

Breitbart is demonstrably fake news. It's not a matter of occasional reporting error. The weather channel itself did a point-by-point debunking of a Breitbart article littered shamelessly with fraudulent data:

https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change

Hillary did fuck up and helped to fuck her party at the same time; I sitll believe people wouldn't have been as fearful of dems if right wing talk radio wasn't making Obama out to be a manchurian candidate for 8 years.

>>107653
>I sitll believe people wouldn't have been as fearful of dems if right wing talk radio wasn't making Obama out to be a manchurian candidate for 8 years.
The Right certainly did have a huge role in making Obama look bad, but not because of talk radio. It's because the Republican congress stonewalled him so hard that he looked incapable of governing effectively. He also seemed to love helping them along. First two years of a Democratic congress accomplished jack shit aside from ramming through the ACA in the most obnoxious way possible. Then he gets played by Russia like a violin. Turns Libya into a wartorn hellhole but at least has the sense to pull out before it becomes his Iraq. Then there was his personal approach. When a guy preaches bipartisanship and turns right around and insults Rightists to score brownie points with his voters ("they cling to their guns and religion"), then proceeds to give moralistic lectures from the pulpit for eight years while blaming racism for his unpopularity, all while treating people who disagreed with him like ignorant relics or misguided children? That shit alienates people like nothing else. The spreading of that snide tone throughout the Left at large played a large part in fucking them over as far as the average voter was concerned.

>>107487
>>107492
Of course there are violent leftists.
And they should be decried completely for infringing on any innocent person's rights.
But given precedent, hiring troublemakers is just not something I'd put past Milo.
And plenty of folks will send threatening messages just to get the event cancelled because it will give the left even more bad publicity.

>>107657
>The spreading of that snide tone throughout the Left at large played a large part in fucking them over as far as the average voter was concerned.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING We have a winner.

>>107657
the base itself has changed as well. In particular, the ascent of the SJW in the party. Liberalism used to seek to use government to protect the working class and catalyze development. Now it's just associated with petty bullshit issues almost nobody takes into account when voting.

>>107663
Campus and tumblr liberalism =/= mainstream liberalism. Most Democrats, especially minorities, are centrist. In the end though, it doesn't amount to much, as that wing of the party does not have a vision for the future or stand for anything (as embodied most prominently by people like Clinton).

More fake outrage from the left. Those idiots just need to find a safe space. Curl up in a corner with your teddy bear and take a nap.

It's telling that there are no far right terrorist. Just the libs. Go see how all the fascist libs behave when someone has an opposing point of view. They can't handle it. Just like idiots at UC Berkley, or ISIS and Boku Haram. Dumbass snowflakes.

I work in downtown oakland and the people who actually work in this city are fucking tired of these pussies forcing our companies to shut down early due to employee safety issues. We need to fight the fuck back. Doesn't need to be violent, just the presence of grown ass men and women who won't take this shit anymore. I'm mad as fuck and we need to Occupy the Occupy movement and these little bitch Antifa boys. Enough is enough.

>>107487
The sheer staggering amount of publicized hate crimes that have turned out to be complete fabrications has made it obvious to me a lot of how the left views the dynamic of hatred is nothing but projection. Consequently, I have no doubt there are tons of them who act like this without any need for false-flags and agent provocateurs.

Unless left wing organizers come down like a ton of bricks on these people and make it resoundingly and unequivocally clear they do not like or welcome these people into their spaces, they will continue to be conflated with them. They need to do more than just condemn.

>>107694
>It's telling that there are no far right terrorist.
...did you already forget about the /pol/lutant who shot up a mosque a just few days ago? And last I checked, the ISIS terrorists you're so afraid of would be considered far-right themselves.

>>107495
>Whitey must be scared now he's getting lynched.
You're bitching about someone making a political generalization after saying bullshit like this?

What a massive fucking hypocrite you are. Your side has a shit ton of violent retards in it. You don't get to sweep that under the rug because it's inconvenient to your projected image of peace, love, tolerance, and all that bullshit.

>>107639
The left is in no position to lecture anyone about political radicalization. Leftist professors openly teach racist viewpoints and portray ethnic cleansing as a positive if it's in their interests. The extreme right only ever gains power when the extreme left has already made its presence known and makes people desperate for a way out. It's an oft-forgotten thing, but that's exactly how fascism rose in Europe in the first place.

>>107689
Yet, the DNC can regularly invite people like Lena Dunham to speak despite her giggle-fit celebration of the idea of eliminating an entire demographic.

Candidates for the DNC chair can talk about shutting down white people just for disagreeing and nobody bats a fucking eye.

Nancy Pelosi gets caught on a hot mic telling someone to throw out their status as a Muslim to garner extra brownie points.

Bernie Sanders' ex press secretary can say on national TV "poor white people," when video evidence of Trump supporters being attack start to surface or act like what the Chicago 4 did isn't a hatecrime.

The Democratic leadership is nothing but SJW at this point. This trend (combined with the blatant corporatism exemplified by Clinton) is the reason I completely abandoned the party, even in the face of a Trump presidency.

>>107698
Islamic extremists are a weird qualifier. They're undoubtedly extremely far right, but their status as an enemy of traditional Western civilization and Christianity as well as the fact many aren't White is what endears them to the Left and vice versa. It's the identity politics that speak loudest.

It's kind of like the fact Blacks and Latinos vote for leftwing parties overwhelmingly despite those demographics being largely more socially conservative than Whites or even Asians.

>>107689
>Campus and tumblr liberalism =/= mainstream liberalism. Most Democrats, especially minorities, are centrist.
It's kind of amazing how every time we talk about the left people feel the need to associate them with every single tenured nutjob and tumblr jerkoff, but when it comes time to talk about the right, you're out of line if you associate the right with its fringe movements.

>>107704
Because there's a difference in the way they're portrayed in a lot of the prominent media. Rightwingers being portrayed as racist asshats is nothing new. It's been happening since the end of the Reagan era. The Left has always been portrayed as the side of reasonable debate, scientific accuracy, live-and-let-live tolerance, etc. Over the years that image has become less and less true and now, despite so many still believing in it, it's become a silly fantasy.

Google can openly put Yuri Kochiyama on it's front page with the artful subtitle "Equality," beneath her despite the woman being a terrorist sympathizer and an advocate of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Nobody's putting Augusto Pinochet, Chiang Kai-shek, or Oliver North on the front page of anything and pretending they're great people because of their politics.

So yes, a lot of private discussions are overcompensating for that fact, that the Left gets away with characterizing itself as the enlightened party of the educated and compassionate when that's not true anymore, not by a long shot.

>>107689
No vision for the future? We may not have ato romantic narrative, because we like to see complexity and nuance in most issues. But we have a vision for the futurte. Remove profit incentive from health insurance and public education where it produces conflicting interests. Protect our ecology and save humanity from climate change. Encorage our foreign enemies to find common ground with us. Build new infrastructure (that was a liberal thing before it became a republican thing). Reduce incarceration rates.

I'm not sure it's the government's place to make the future exciting. But it plays an essential roll in enabling that. In the Democratic worldview, government provides the population security and reliability and Elon Musk builds the rocketships.

>>107702
>The Democratic leadership is nothing but SJW at this point.
Well, they see this as where the youth is going (it largely isn't, but that's what it appears to lots of folks) and they wanna be sensitive to that. They're trying to do the right thing; they're just naive.

>>107458

That's negligible when the vast majority of the left just want to get on with their lives.

>>107641

America is way farther right than you think. It started with Barry Goldwater, who incidentally was pummeled by LBJ in the 1964 election. Goldwater's platform appealed to the ostracized south. Ironically, he lost by massive margins because LBJ cast him as an outsider extremist, which worked. This right wing regime materialized as tangible negotiator under Reagan, to the point where the Dems had to adjust their party platform to win the 1993 election after losing the presidency 3 cycles in a row.

>>107635

Oh god, it's the old Muslim rhetoric. I'd rather jump ship from the left than have to participate in any more crying about muh peaceful majority.

>>107733

Wow, you made quite a few compelling points. Never thought of it that way.

>>107708
>and they wanna be sensitive to that.

No they're not. They want to cash in on that.

>They're trying to do the right thing; they're just naive.

Bullshit they're naive, and bullshit they're just trying to do the right thing. Everything they say and they do is for votes. They foster outrage because they want people angry enough to go to the voting booths and tick the big box for them.

>>107738

Both parties are guilty of this. Emotion gets people to the polls, not logic.

Oh man. Every time something like this happens, I'm tempted to look up Milo and see what he's actually about to inspire such rage, but I've always avoided it out of stubbornness against the Streisand effect, and because I don't want to submit to creeping over to the right just because a few retarded leftists are making me embarrassed to be associated with them.

But this sorry display finally broke the camel's back, and I finally broke and looked him up. And I don't know about his politics, but after binging a few youtube clips from his talk, I have to say, this dude is goddamn hilarious and I think I kinda love him.

>>107604
It was more of a european thing. Basically its a group called anti fascists that violently opposes fascism in all forms. The problem is that, while they only fight nazis and fascists, they label anyone they disagree with as nazis and fascists.

>>107736
The phrase "a few bad apples," is usually used to keep people from seeing a few extremists as representative of the whole. What's ignored is the full phrase and its meaning. A few bad apples spoils the bunch. If your group doesn't do anything practical, realistic, and profound to exclude the radicals and extremists it's going to be conflated with them. It's often not fair, but that's how the real world works.

>>107740
You aren't fooling anyone, Milo.

>>107740
I was in your same position a few years ago. I didn't actually start taking what some of the more rightwing people were saying seriously until I saw how utterly batshit the people I called my friends got whenever they came up in conversation.

Nothing quite like having your worldview made humble or expanded by a misguided purity test from your peers.

>>107748
He doesn't have to fool anyone, the results speak for themselves. That anon even used the Streisand effect to explain it. Telling someone they can't do something only leads to people wanting to know what all the buzz is about. It's why the Just Say No campaign utterly failed and it's why the next upcoming generation is a lot more conservative than the millennials currently are.

>>107738
You may be right but for what it's worth, any pandering to big business hasn't been been nearly as overt for democrats. They fundraise like all candidates but their entire platform doesn't revolve around "corporations dont require regulation; what's good for corporations is ultimatel good for everyone"

>>107750
You're taking an attention whore twitterati like Milo (that isn't even his real name you know) and pretending like he has some kind of important, grandiose message which the streisand effect can apply to. He doesn't. It's the same 'alt-right' edgy angstful teen rebelling against his liberal parents bullshit spoken by a gay british con artist.

>>107726
reality disproves this statement

where have you been the last 8 years

the left is the party of censorship and violent suppression of free speech

why do you think that no liberal has openly denounced any attack or riot committed against conservatives?

>>107756
>the left is the party of censorship and violent suppression of free speech
This is what wingnut Breitbart victims actually believe.

>>107757
not just me

the majority of normal people believe that as well ;-)

>>107758
You wouldn't know what a majority of normal people was if they protested every weekend for the next 4 years.

>>107752
What Milo has to say isn't important. What is important is the fact his words inspire a bunch of myopic idiots to start riots, burn shit, and attack people. I disagree with Milo on a shit ton of things, but when it comes to accurately labeling what the left is turning into I find what he has to say right on the money, an observation only vindicated by how much it induces retarded behavior from Antifa scum.

Teenagers rebel against rules they don't like. Right now the people putting rules over their heads are busybody leftwingers telling people how to behave according to their own very selective political wishes. It's what largely drove me away from the left, even though my principles haven't changed.

If Milo is such an inconsequential idiot, then you should have no problem dealing with him. Fuck, even he's given speeches where he's detailed how to undermine his support and check his popularity, but instead all we get is "protestors," who couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag using brownshirt tactics while telling us all how dangerous that supposed "fascist," is.

When you make the court jester look like an intellectual in comparison, that's all on you.

>>107759
>You wouldn't know what a majority of normal people was if they protested every weekend for the next 4 years.

That's correct, because normal people have jobs, hobbies, people to see and things to do that preclude them from being professional protestors on a weekend by weekend basis.

>>107760
>When you make the court jester look like an intellectual in comparison, that's all on you.
And when you feed the egotistical court jester so much attention that he starts to think his opinion is important, and then take away his platform for performing (cough cough, twitter ban), he'll say anything to get that level of attention back. Don't feed the troll.

>people putting rules over their heads are busybody leftwingers telling people how to behave according to their own very selective political wishes
It's going to be fun to refer back to posts like yours in the archive when the conservative morality police (Jeff Sessions) start banning porn and rap songs again and prosecuting legal weed stores in Colorado and California.

>>107761
The silent majority is overwhelmingly liberal. It's simply a matter of population density.

>>107752
lolwut? Something doesn't have to be remotely grandiose for the Streisand effect to apply.

>>107768
Attention whores like Milo are immune from The Streisand effect.

>>107769

I don't think you know what the Streisand effect is.

>>107770
I don't think you understand how someone who is constantly spamming and self promoting himself isn't ever going to be censored enough for the Streisand effect to apply. The persecution complex is part of his schtick.

>>107766
Like the silent majority that approves Trump's travel ban? Like the silent majority that doesn't want refugees in America? Like the silent majority that absolutely hates the idea of sanctuary cities?

America is nowhere near as liberal as you think it is.

>>107764
I'm sorry, do you actually think starting a fucking riot because he's talking to a glorified school assembly doesn't qualify as feeding the troll? These people gave him everything he wanted and more. He couldn't be happier than a pig in shit. The people feeding this asshole the most are those reacting like fucking idiots and trying to violently shut him down. It's the real life equivalent of an internet tough guy going full Navy Seal mode because someone cracked an insensitive joke about his sacred cow.

I'm old enough to remember when the conservatives were the ones shitting all over free speech and divergent hobbies, which is why it fucking pains me so much to see our contemporary left emulate it to such a disgusting degree. I'm not making excuses for the right's busybodies, I'm telling you the leftwing analogues are empowering them.

>>107771

You're a fucking retard, dude.

>>107773
>Like the silent majority that approves Trump's travel ban?
The silent majority doesn't understand what's going on because there isn't any good news coverage and The White House is purposely trying to confuse and conflate things.
>America is nowhere near as liberal as you think it is.
That might be true, but America is certainly nowhere near as conservative as you think it is either.

>do you actually think starting a fucking riot because he's talking to a glorified school assembly doesn't qualify as feeding the troll?do you actually think starting a fucking riot because he's talking to a glorified school assembly doesn't qualify as feeding the troll?
There you go again confusing the 150 paid non-partisan anarchists with "the left". I'd hate to see the slanted coverage from whatever news outlet told you it was 'leftists' that were rioting.

>>107776
>the imbecile who has no idea how the world is run is calling me retarded
High praise indeed.

>>107777
It's cute you think this gaslighting nonsense is ever going to work. Find me some actual conservative rightwing Antifa scum and I'll trade you for a leprechaun riding a unicorn because our chances of finding either are about even. This isn't even the first time this shit has happened at a protest organized by leftwing protestors. If they want it to stop they need to do something concrete about it. Ban the wearing of masks. Make it clear that anybody starting shit will immediately get turned in to the cops. Shame them for being cowards who won't own their political message. Do something to show the world that it isn't you besides whining about provocateurs and false-flags after the fact.

And I wasn't saying American is anywhere as conservative as you think I was suggesting. I was saying repeated protests around the country for the next four years full of people wearing pussy hats and featuring sermons from convicted murderers would get really fucking old for normal people really fucking fast.

>>107780
>actual conservative rightwing Antifa scum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice

>>107781
>Beyond the opposition to racism, there is no official SHARP political ideology.

You're not mistaking all skinheads for rightwingers now are you? That would be as silly as attributing a political ideology to punk or jazz.

>>107782
Beat me to it.

The skinhead movement wasnt a political movement anyways. It was just a bunch of white kids rebelling against the current culture, dressing wierd and listening to black music when it started out. Im not sure when it became attributed to fascism but thats really just a vocal minority, most skinheads are just white people who really like ska and reggae

>>107777
Quads have failed us.

I've never seen a more obvious use of 'No True Scottsman' in my life.

>>107740
yeah i looked him up like a month ago as well, when stories about protests against him started popping up.
basically he's just a comedian with a touch of political talk masked behind, making fun of feminists, "the tolerant left", and "crybaby democrats"

>>107783
I think skinhead fascists and the skinhead movement are hardly related. The first did it to resemble the military, and the other did it for kicks. Just an unfortunate coincidence I guess.

>>107747
Then every party is totally fucking rotten. Congrats, what now?

>>107784
It isn't a logical fallacy if it's true.

>>107773
Trump lost the popular vote. The majority literally does not approve of what he is doing and never has.

>>107764
>And when you feed the egotistical court jester so much attention that he starts to think his opinion is important
it clearly is important when you get hundreds of people protesting his speeches.
tolerating different ideologies seems to be extremely hard for most colleges, and the "tolerant" left.

>>107792
The majority didnt vote. This is why the popular vote does not matter in this election or any other.
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
63 mil for Trump, 66 mil for Hilary, 190 mil choose neither. Any other candidate (non-memes, bernouts fuck off) would have blown this out of the water, but the choice was so bad to most Americans that more than half the country didnt vote.

>>107792
That's irrelevant to the fact some of his positions and policies are indeed what the majority want.

>>107790
I didn't mean that on a national party level. It's literally impossible to exclude every extremist on that level. I was referring more to a local size like a city protest like this where it is possible to exclude the violent extremists. They need to be turned on though. The organizers need to make it known the moderates there to protest won't stand behind extremists causing violence or will actually work against them. Nothing checks the hand of a radical faster than knowing they won't be able to hide behind the mass of moderates they share politics with.

>>107635
Beautiful parody of the Muslim Defense.

>>107653
>Defending HuffPost.
>seriously, guyz Huffpost isn't as bad as other publications

Yes, HuffPost is that bad and I really hope you know this.

>>107657
That was a beautiful take down of the establishment over the past 8 years.

>>107698
Canada is not the same country as America. We are discussing Democrats. Cite American terrorists: like Dylan Roof

>>107704
Tenured nutjobs are paid for partly by public dollars and our children's tuition. and Tumbr jerkoffs are mass produced by academia. So yes it is valid to attack and associate them with the leftists who fund them with the public purse.

>>107819
What exactly makes the tenured professors "nutjobs"?

>>107796
Not really disputing you, but how much of that remaining 190 million were eligible?

>>107777
I'd argue that Americans are usually more socially conservative and economically liberal then our elites. Majority of Americans want shit like higher taxes on the rich, closing tax loopholes, support medicaid/care/SS/, and like the idea of a public health option. On the other hand, they dislike the idea of hiring quotas, unisex locker rooms, and see most identity politics as non issues when stacked against the other problems we have right now.

>>107826
>Majority of Americans want shit like higher taxes on the rich, closing tax loopholes
No.

>>107740
I remember I used to be neutral on the guy because I really hadn't heard him speak much. Then I saw him on The Drunken Peasants and realized he's a total nutjob conman. The guy was saying shit like how 30 year olds and 14 year olds should be free to have sex if the kid thinks they're mature enough. He said it's beneficial to young boys to date grown ass men. He thinks that gays should have stayed in the closet and kept making babies because he thinks gays are genetically more evolved.

>>107825
As of 2013 236 mil were 18+ without felonies.so there are still around 100 mil who vould have voted for one of them but didnt

>>107855
He's a nutter but he's still pretty funny t.b.h

>>107823
>constant race baiting.
>encouraging victimhood
>using entire classes (mandatory courses) to push an ideology when the class itself is supposed to be about something else. My own example: an English professor who was suppose to be teaching how to write a literary research paper instead spent the entire semester pushing that "race is a social construct"
>Telling students that marching in the streets and stopping older adults from reaching their jobs will somehow make the world a better place.

Nutjobs.

>>107756

>why do you think that no liberal has openly denounced any attack or riot committed against conservatives

How confined to your bubble do you have to be to think this?

>>107728
America has always been a right leaning country, you simpleton, because it was founded based on limited government, and skepticism toward centralized powers.

>>107639
This is hilariously delusional, and whoever agrees with it should wake up to reality sometime in the near future.

>>107855
You are so very heteronormative, you whitecisheterochristian supremacist. Don't you know you can't judge the gay community by the oppressive culture of the western world? 14 year old gays should be allowed to explore their sexuality with whomever they please.

I can't wait for the DNC to shut you down with your heteronormative hate speech. I'm going to find your place of employment and get you fired for daring to support heterosexual supremacy.

>>107740
Yeah, he's just an amusing, interesting guy.

People just melt down over him because of [REASONS]

>>107826
I want less government, not more government.

>>107657
>When a guy preaches bipartisanship and turns right around and insults Rightists to score brownie points with his voters ("they cling to their guns and religion"), then proceeds to give moralistic lectures from the pulpit for eight years while blaming racism for his unpopularity, all while treating people who disagreed with him like ignorant relics or misguided children? That shit alienates people like nothing else. The spreading of that snide tone throughout the Left at large played a large part in fucking them over as far as the average voter was concerned.

I'd just like to say that this is a really good summation; portraying yourself as holier-than-thou is a great way to piss people off.

>>107875
>amusing
Yes.
>interesting
Not even a little. Maybe if you are new to Jews.

>>107859
It goes beyond even that now. You have professors actually advocating for genocide and celebrating terrorist attacks.

>>107757
Do you really think that you can just spread your denial of reality like a virus?

You people have no awareness of the consequences of your actions. Every time you fucks do this you create anti-liberals.

Because al lot of us in the Trump camp arent even right or left. We're just sick of your insanity, plan and simple.

>>107495
>m-muh evil /pol/ behind it all

Get a fucking grip you faggot

>>107657
Don't forget all the tranny shit and the glorification of illegal aliens.

Earlier this week, Trump's propaganda minister, Sean Spicer, was furious that the press was making such a big deal out of the Muslim ban. He claimed that it only temporarily affected 109 people. Today, a government lawyer, defending the ban, admitted that over 100,000 visas were revoked by the Executive Order, permanently not temporarily. Nazis filthy trolling on my facebook fail at debate

>>107939
Make me care about the Muhammadans then.

>>107939
the 109 people cited as temporarily affected were people affected that were not meant to be affected. the other 100k you mention were supposed to be affected

>>107757
did you see any news coverage about trump rallies where the participants got attacked by leftists?
let me answer that for you - no, you didn't.
instead you got coverage about faked attacks on leftists by trump supporters, stated as the truth.
the same trend continues with the attacks on milo and every other "conservative", "nazi", "bigot" speaker any place DARES to invite for to speak their mind.

https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/827418352645709824
go to 2:15 for a good example.
here's a short example what has actually been happening in the recent year VS the overage by the american media.

>>107862

>america has always been a right leaning country

No shit. It's been amplified since Goldwater. I'm referring to the notion that people's view of "left" and "right" is skewed heavily to the right in contrast to other developed nations, such as Europe.

>>107963
It's skewed because Europeans are socialists and communists.

>>107819
>Tenured nutjobs are paid for partly by public dollars and our children's tuition.
The vast, vast majority of public funding for universities comes from title IV programs, aka tuition money. That means that they only get federal money if a consumer chooses them.

In other words, it's a free fucking market. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Christ, I thought conservatives loved the free market and privatized education. Yet in every thread it's the same shit.

>>107860
Seriously. Get outside your fucking info bubble. This is why only reading "alternative news" is as bad if not worse than reading the MSM

>>107797
>That's irrelevant to the fact some of his positions and policies are indeed what the majority want.
Why do you insist on lying? Are you trying to emulate Trump and just keep denying it til people forget? Or is this all just wishful thinking? The majority of people objectively disapprove of Trump's actions.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317845-trump-has-lowest-approval-ratings-of-any-new-president-ever

There are people ITT who unironically defend Breitbart and Huffington Post. Let that sink in for a moment.

>>107967
How is that a free market when the only reason said market exists is because of federal dollars being handed to people?

Do you think if there was no federal loans to trick naive children into spending tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars on degrees of increasingly dubious value, this market would not be drastically different?

The internet alone makes college as a concept an increasingly dated education model, that as years drag on will be more and more of a means to propagate themselves, and not the education of the consumer.

>>107992
Educating the masses for profit is just as much a mistake as a for-profit healthcare system.

>>107997
Both are fine as long as there's competition to improve prices and quality. You're paying for it all anyway in some form, so you might as well pay for a system that actively allows for improvements, instead of the current culture of degradation and/or status quo.

Health care, by the way, could easily be solved if caps were placed on lawsuits, so that healthcare providers weren't paying 50% of their revenue towards insurance.

There are many people who attend Berkeley in part due to its reputation/tradition of civil disobedience. So when an inflammatory issue comes up -- like a flaming faggot fascist -- there are kids who may want to get inflammatory.

The loving tolerant people......

Because the best way to get people to see you way is to beat the up and destroy their property.

>>107999
Remember when people used to go to university to learn and prepare themselves to enter work force?

>>107992
>How is that a free market when the only reason said market exists is because of federal dollars being handed to people?
Universities existed before federal funding for them. Also, are you serious? Are you trying to tell me you think government money being allocated through consumer choice means less consumer choice?

>Do you think if there was no federal loans to trick naive children into spending tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars on degrees of increasingly dubious value, this market would not be drastically different?
Bachelors degree holders still make 65% more than high school graduates (https://research.stlouisfed.org/pageone-economics/uploads/newsletter/2009/200908.pdf). Even liberal arts degrees earn significantly more (http://fortune.com/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/) despite being a punchline. A bad degree is probably not a great investment, but at no point have I ever seen someone with a liberal arts degree claiming to take it for career related reasons; people who take those know what they're getting.

>The internet alone makes college as a concept an increasingly dated education model, that as years drag on will be more and more of a means to propagate themselves, and not the education of the consumer.
Perverse economic incintives for educational institutions are a real problem, but have nothing to do with the conversation up til this point.

Nowhere in this post do you at all address the point that whatever professor you're bitching about is mostly funded through consumer choice.

>>107998
>Health care, by the way, could easily be solved if caps were placed on lawsuits, so that healthcare providers weren't paying 50% of their revenue towards insurance.
That would not at all solve healthcare. One of the primary problems with healthcare is that drug companies and insurance companies are constantly trying to fleece each other. Insurance companies negotiate absurdly low, pennies on the dollar costs for medication, and drug companies respond by cranking up the price. Uninsured consumers get buttfucked by this.

>>107969
>http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317845-trump-has-lowest-approval-ratings-of-any-new-president-ever
oh wow its another poll by cnn, the most unbiased source on planet earth
>sample size is 1002
into the trashcan it goes.

>>107969
Trump's numbers are low because he's an idiot and is terrible at implementing his ideas.

However, I never said support for him was high. I was talking about some of his positions. Here.

>>107773
>Like the silent majority that absolutely hates the idea of sanctuary cities?
http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/09/04/igs-poll-californians-oppose-sanctuary-city-flexibility/

If an overwhelming majority of Californians hate the idea, what does that mean for the rest of the country?

>Like the silent majority that approves of Trump's travel ban?
http://www.businessinsider.com/49-of-americans-agree-with-trumps-immigration-ban-2017-1

Using the word majority was wrong as America seems split on this issue. Depending on polls nothing ever seems to break past a plurality.

>Like the silent majority that doesn't want refugees in America?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/israel_the_middle_east/most_still_favor_refugee_freeze

Even Obama was forced to stay his hand on this issue given his stance of accepting more was considerably unpopular.

>>107956
>The violence against us didn't start at UC Berkeley with Milo.

>It has been going on for two years.

>That ends soon. Ruthlessly if need be.

This right here is why fascism must win if the white race is to persevere.

>>108084
I think the silent majority are waking up to the fact that multiethnic societies do not work. It is the natural urge of the different races to destroy one another until only one exist to rule over all.

>>108095

Can the 12 year old's please leave?

>>108097
That's the thing. Those edgy kids grew up. They aren't 12 anymore, they can vote.

I'm just glad that the current political climate is about to become inhospitable to these lying SJW twats

>>108098
>Those edgy kids grew up. They aren't 12 anymore, they can vote.

When I was 12 I was a Communist. At 13 I was a Plato-ist. At 14 I was a Randroid. At 15 I invented my own mathematical tiered model based on Rousseau.

But by 16 I was a normal human being who at least on a basic level understood that society was more complex than a single crystal-ball idealistic abstract philosophy.

>>108104
>I was

What goes for you doesn't go for everyone, you know that.

>>108104
So you got old and lost your passions.

You think this is enlightening? Its just sad. Lol.

>>108104
>edgy

>>108095
>Russia
>China
>India
>Iran
>Brazil
>Canada

>>108305
Russia is a homogeneous ethnostate. They even call themselves an ethnostate, and have propaganda about the genetic superiority of the Russian race.

As for the others, only Brazil is really a multiethnic society, but they're all united by trolling.

>>108310

You don't know jack shit, John Snow.

>>108318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEaw6ktxg-8&ab_channel=RussiaInsider

>>108310
In order to be homogeneous you need to be at least >=95% which Russia isn't. It also doesn't matter if a state actually is homogeneous since having fuck loads of minorities still counts as a multi ethnic society which Russia has.

>Only Brazil
https://web.archive.org/web/20120618165336/http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3454.htm

>India has more than two thousand ethnic groups, and every major religion is represented, as are four major families of languages (Indo-European, Dravidian, Austroasiatic and Sino-Tibetan languages) as well as two language isolates (the Nihali language spoken in parts of Maharashtra and the Burushaski language spoken in parts of Jammu and Kashmir).

http://www.indexmundi.com/china/demographics_profile.html

>Han Chinese 91.6%, Zhuang 1.3%, other (includes Hui, Manchu, Uighur, Miao, Yi, Tujia, Tibetan, Mongol, Dong, Buyei, Yao, Bai, Korean, Hani, Li, Kazakh, Dai and other nationalities) 7.1% note: the Chinese Government officially recognizes 56 ethnic groups (2010 est.)

http://www.indexmundi.com/canada/demographics_profile.html
>Canadian 32.2%, English 19.8%, French 15.5%, Scottish 14.4%, Irish 13.8%, German 9.8%, Italian 4.5%, Chinese 4.5%, North American Indian 4.2%, other 50.9%
note: percentages add up to more than 100% because respondents were able to identify more than one ethnic origin (2011 est.)

http://www.wow.com/wiki/Demography_of_Iran

>The CIA World Factbook (which is based on 2013 statistics) gives the following numbers for the languages spoken in Iran today: Persian, Luri, Gilaki and Mazandarani 66%; Azerbaijani and other Turkic languages 18%; Kurdish 10%; Arabic 2%; Baloch 2%; others 1% (Armenian, Georgian, Circassian, Assyrian, etc.).[21]

>>107458
>implying anarchists are Democrats

>>107518
>you can't point out my hypocrisy, that's cheating MOMMY PLEASE HELP ME

>>107641
>Which party supports open borders? Abortions?
The left doesn't support ``open borders", and abortions are not considered ``extreme" unless you live in the Bible Belt.

>>107647
>Left-leaning media started the call for ending fake news by waving around a bullshit list made by a hardcore tumblrina, which unsurprisingly fingered genuine shit like Breitbart but magically ignored Huffpost and other retarded leftist rags
This isn't even about muh fake news. It's about the literal fucking President thinking we're turning into the Third Reich because the media is allowed to criticise him. That's literally what he said. Because the Nazis were only able to kill millions of Jews because the media was critical of their government, right?

>>107694
>there are no far right terrorists
>mentions ISIS and Boko Haram in the same post
Please swallow a toaster.

>>107747
The "spoils the bunch" rhetoric is retarded though, because usually the normies DON'T actually support the radicals in any meaningful way, and there isn't really anything they could do to fight against them either. In the case of radical Islam, the normies are actually generally the VICTIMS of the radicals, so they don't have the power to control them in the first place.

>>107773
The silent majority doesn't approve of what Trump is doing, because if they did Trump's approval rating wouldn't be in the gutter. You guys accuse the left of letting dead people vote, but then turn around and start inventing armies of imaginary friends so you can claim Trump has popular support.

>>107803
HuffPost would be the epitome of badness, if BreitBart didn't exist.

>>107952
Why should anyone care about you?

>>108008
No one should be going to university "so they can get a job".

>>108093
>>108095
>>108099
This right here is why fascism must be smashed.

>>107740
Check this 'dangerous faggot's' bio.
Also, he exclusively sucks black dick, mucho!
WTF
Fetish Queen.

>>108328
>The left doesn't support ``open borders"
Yes they do. Kinda open borders is open borders. You're like an athiest that calls himself agnostic.

>>108328

>abortions are not considered ``extreme" unless my feelings

They're extreme. It is the most extreme policy your party supports.

>>108336
>the most extreme policy

Country wide, it is the most "extreme" thing we do. Nothing, beyond drone strikes, can compare.

>>108336
Liberalism values more open borders.
Just like conservatism values less EPA.
Not all liberals take an extreme stance on every issue. Not all liberals want fully open borders any more than conservatives want no EPA law.
Left / right isn't like a religion, where you have this scripture and you have to believe all of it or you're a sinner.
It's just a (weak imo) descriptor of your general stance on most issues. You tend to want reform or you tend to want to preserve. Individual liberals and conservatives fall all over the spectrum place with respect to any issue.
Trump's position immigration in general tends conservative, but his platform on illegals living in the US in particular is relatively liberal. For most he is advocating to find a path for legalization rather than deportation. So it's mostly a liberal position.

>>108305
Russia has large minorities, but the culture of European Russians is so overwhelmingly dominant that it doesn't matter. It's also a little hard to form ethnic enclaves and proto-ethnic secession movements in a state that's very centralized, has had numerous waves of unapologetic Russian colonialism, and is currently governed by people who would have no problem putting a whiff of sedition six feet under.

China is not a multiethnic state at all. 90+% of it is Han Chinese and anyone who steps out can look forward to a slightly more discreet version of the Russian crackdown. India is also not multiethnic, but more divided along religious and societal class/caste lines. Iran isn't multiethnic to an extent it would matter and the dominant culture is strong enough to suppress any fault lines that do occur. Again, it's divisions are more religious.

Canada is currently having massive problems with the sheer concentration of numbers and wealth with Asians on its western coast while Brazil probably shouldn't be held up as a great example of anything at the moment. Even stuff they're usually good at, like football and trolling, has been slipping through their fingers lately.

>>108329
I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I said some of Trump's positions are very popular with the majority of Americans. Someone who abhors the idea of sanctuary cities (which a majority of Californians do) can still think Trump as a person is a fucking idiot.

Don't confuse Trump's personal approval numbers with those of his stated goals and positions.

>>108342
>Liberalism values more open borders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0&ab_channel=Vox

>>108381
He was aberrant and running against a massive establishment that values open borders. The reasons for that support are also the two reasons I refuse to ever vote Democratic ever again.

1. The corporatism: permanent castes of cheap foreign labor are a dream for them when it comes to undermining the very wages they claim to fight for.

2. Identity politics: expanding a demographic of poor, often desperate, uneducated, numerically outnumbered, and easily radicalized people is a great way to build voting blocs that will never break away from you.

>>108385
>1. The corporatism: permanent castes of cheap foreign labor are a dream for them when it comes to undermining the very wages they claim to fight for.

>2. Identity politics: expanding a demographic of poor, often desperate, uneducated, numerically outnumbered, and easily radicalized people is a great way to build voting blocs that will never break away from you.

I think both parties are guilty of these, for the reasons you outlined.

>>108386
Liberals have been destroying civilization since they overthrew the monarchies three hundred years ago.

>>108385 #
You're making a mistake; economics isn't a zero sum game. A global hiring pool in the short run hurts hiring prospects for donestic workers but in the long term means much more competitive industries and thus better job prospects for all.

The reason for wage stagnation is rather largely obsolesence of human labor. The working class won't be seeing their wages go up, closed or open borders.

Democrats aren't the enemy here; they're the only ones with a tangible solution on offer, whther or not you agree with it. They advocate for improved access to healthcare and social programs funded by higher corporate taxes in turn funded by allowing our businesses access to globalhealth talent pools. Because that is the only long-term solution for the working class. The days of their necessity to the economy are numbered. So you make businesses more productive however feasible, and then you take a larger share from that productivity to redistribute. On the other hand you can offer free training and college to hope they get retrained. But not all of them do have the capacity to succeed in high-demand fields.

>>107454
I fucking hate universities. Overpriced commie mills run by """them""" is what they are. The government should not be subsidizing them, and states should take their land back from them. Destroy the institution of college once and for all. No more colleges in America.

>>108430
What kind of bait is this?

>>108392
>Democrats aren't the enemy here; they're the only ones with a tangible solution on offer, whether or not you agree with it.
Except people disagree with it because it's not as tangible as you like to pretend it is. For the most part it's an exponentially expensive pipe dream enforced at gun point.

>They advocate for improved access to healthcare and social programs funded by higher corporate taxes in turn funded by allowing our businesses access to global health talent pools. Because that is the only long-term solution for the working class.
That's nice. And yet, instead of higher taxes- that are always passed on to the "working classes"- people will continue to choose and vote differently, and they will do so in their own best interest, and it will pay off.

>The days of their necessity to the economy are numbered. So you make businesses more productive however feasible, and then you take a larger share from that productivity to redistribute. On the other hand you can offer free training and college to hope they get retrained. But not all of them do have the capacity to succeed in high-demand fields.

Pop quiz, who do you think is ultimately more valuable in the long run to the economy- a working class individual with average/above average trade skills, or some middling Democratic political parasite with no trade skills, who spends their days lost in marxist falsehoods while bravely advocating economically illiterate protectionism?

>economics isn't a zero sum game
>we can offset the impending losses of the lower classes by taking more from the higher classes via taxation and redistributing it via welfare programs

>>108432
One that recognizes, albeit poorly, that colleges/universities are money sucking dinosaurs that serve as de-facto indoctrination centers and highly tenured professors in the age of the internet are the equivalent of telegraph operators in in the age of cordless telephones.

>>108336
>They're extreme. It is the most extreme policy your party supports.
More extreme than saying there's 63 genders and advocating bashing the fash?

>>108430
Why don't you move to Mongolia if you like being a third worlder so much?

>>108440
The price-tag of college usually keeps out the riffraff and destroys the people with hobby degrees, so in a roundabout way, I support high tuition.

>>108440
>For the most part it's an exponentially expensive pipe dream enforced at gun point.
sorry, but liberitarianism is untested and theoretically untenable at any rate; I don't buy any economic philosophies that either don't prioritize collective well-being or model the average citizen as a perfectly responsible actor by himself.

>And yet, instead of higher taxes- that are always passed on to the "working classes"-
The taxrate is progressive; Those that have enjoyed more success from the society we've all been member to should be expected to contribute proportionately more to those that have not yet seen as much success. You like to make me out a communist or somesuch but I have no problem with capitalism; I just don't believe people have an inalienable right to every penny in their paycheck. I believe in taxes and social programs and engineering a better society.

>Pop quiz, who do you think is ultimately more valuable in the long run to the economy- a working class individual with average/above average trade skills, or some middling Democratic political parasite with no trade skills, who spends their days lost in marxist falsehoods while bravely advocating economically illiterate protectionism?
If something can suffer, it deserves consideration.

>middling Democratic political parasite with no trade skills
who, me? I'm a mechanical engineer.
Let's take a look at the states with the highest dependence on welfare programs:
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/non-payers-by-state.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg
Hm... not a blue state among them. That's interesting!

How about states ranked by highest net contribution to federal budget?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/
Again, blue states give the most, red states receive the most.

It seems that while democratic states pull more than their fair share of the weight in struggling to support the social programs that red states disproportionately depend upon, the billionaires and pundits have done a spectactular job to get the very same working class whites to think that we are their enemy. That by some mental gymnastics, a federal government that regulates financial industries in their interest is unamerican.
The right wing truly has a propaganda machine that would make goebbels blush in this country.

The reason why most Americans hate scientists and other academics is because they're a bunch of arrogant assholes:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/scientists-partly-blame-skepticism-evidence-policymaking-says-aaas-ceo

Europe and China can have em.

>>108469
>If something can suffer, it deserves consideration.
No creature suffers more than man.

>>108469
>mechanical engineer.
Majoring in physics right now. I thought you engineers tended more towards the libertarian/conservative side of things.

>>108488
I do have a couple of liberitarian friends and one voted Trump, most of my coworkers democrats, but I'm in a blue state so maybe it's different in most of the country.

>>108470
No different than the leftwing propaganda that's mislead an entire generation into de-facto communist subversion, tells women they're still oppressed and need to vote with their feelings, helps demographic shifts that will lead to balkanization, or champions a religion that is everything that's wrong with Christianity but more.

>>108518
There is literally nothing wrong with communism.

>>108519
Altruism is a blight upon the human race, and communism exemplifies the worst of that impulse.

>>108470
>>108469
Democratic/blue states contribute more because larger affluent companies HQ in them due to the density of population, which also contributes to the tax flow. It has nothing to do with the state politics or the grand multicultural dreams of ideologues that makes blue states net contributors.

If the tech firms and entertainment industry packed up and left California its net contribution would drop into the Pacific Ocean and never come back.

>>108521
Our blue state policies attract the intelligentsia. We have the highest concentration of universities. Wanna look up a map of college grads by state?
We were the first to have a healthcare public option, and we also have the highest concentration of biotech companies. We have the nations' software industries.
It's mostly middle class liberals supporting and disproportionately funding policy platforms that provide the social programs that red state working class populations depend upon.

>>108518
I don't agree with the victim culture pushing SJW either but we can address that with debate; we can come to a consensus that recognizes everyone's' grievances. You're afraid of being a racial minority; you're afraid for the future of your community. These are all grievances we can debate and come to consensus for a mutually agreeable solution. But the only voices in the public sphere giving them voice is folks like Richard Spencer and neo-Nazis, that's a bit of a non-starter. Does that grievance has to come with a load of other economic and humanitarian baggage like ethnic cleansing and inadvertent support for corporatist policies up the ass of everyone in the working class?

>>108525
The problem is you can't talk about that without people painting you with the same brush as Spencer. It can never happen because the people who oppose having that dialogue will do their hardest to make sure everyone trying looks just like the white nationalists they hate. Hell, you have people throwing the term "white supremacy," at any society with a white majority that doesn't work to undermine that now. It's fucking insane.

And here's another ticker. I wouldn't be afraid of becoming a minority if it weren't for those same identity politics on the left making it abundantly clear the post-racial and harmonious rhetoric was all just a smokescreen for their own hatred and racial bias. I didn't care about declining numbers in my demographic until the left started gloating about it, until I started hearing people unironically advocate for reparative social policies that would punish innocent people, until I saw the blatant double standard these same people have for others based on skin color.

>>108522
None of those things exist in your states because of your ideas. It exists because of the population density and the money that represents. Just a few decades ago you could still find diversity of thought in big cities in big states. It's that environment that built the powerful economies. It's not the demographic warfare you've waged, because as that becomes more and more prevalent, your cities are going to go the way of Chicago. Those shiny software companies, those biotech firms, those middle class liberals will all pack up and leave.

Your states being net contributors is a persisting relic from the past, it's a bubble the corporatist system has inflated. It's not indicative of your current ideas or policies and you will learn this in the very near future.

>>108535
>muh coming collapse
This meme is over 30 years old now.

>>108535
If you have evidence of such a coming collapse, feel free to provide. I see lots of arguments from Trump supporters about "THE COMING COLLAPSE". The issue is always that it's impossible to argue about something that hasn't happened yet, and is apparently a totally obvious to some folks but the rest of us are wondering if you're privy to some hidden truth none other can see. It's an unfalsifiable arguement in the same vein as "it's a conspiracy; and if there's evidence to the contrary, it's a deep conspiracy". There will be a collaps, if you force one.

>None of those things exist in your states because of your ideas.
We're more attractive to entrepreneurial foreigners and we're more adapted to encouraging our grad students, which are almost uniformly international students in the STEM majors, to stay and contribute to the local economy.

>>108536
The wealth of cities has always been transient. The United States was built on agrarianism; small towns in the country with honest, true, loyal Americans are the basis of this nation, not the liberal cities that whore themselves out to the globalist.

>>108520
>Altruism is a blight upon the human race, and communism exemplifies the worst of that impulse.
if you believe this, then don't just get rid of social programs; open up the borders for our employers.
No point in letting talent abroad languish unleveraged if it can be used more efficiently elsewhere.

>>108539
>>108539
wealth rises and falls with the ebb and flow of history, but some cities in asia have been continuously inhabited for thousands of years

>>108540
>No point in letting talent abroad languish unleveraged if it can be used more efficiently elsewhere.

Talent can't be leveraged properly when the talent pool is full of people who want to destroy your nation smattered throughout it.

>>108533
>The problem is you can't talk about that without people painting you with the same brush as Spencer.
You're doing the exact same thing you're complaining about by dismissing all liberals as crazy SJWs, you hypocrite. Try actually talking to people instead of looking for crap to be outraged by on the internet.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I consider myself to be a liberal and I don't give a shit what color your skin is as long as you're not using it as a reason to discriminate against others, that includes discriminating against white people. I think that lil' Cleetus living in a trailer park and lil' Jamal living in a ghetto have both been dealt a shitty hand in life and I'm in favor of both of them receiving the same help in life they need in order to be successful instead of blaming eachother for their problems.
The way you're so quick to strawman opposing viewpoints just helps to further polarize political discussion and encourage a ridiculous "us vs them" mentality that does nothing but distract people from actually solving their problems.
>>108520
>Altruism is a blight upon the human race
How the hell is being nice to people a bad thing?

>>108469
>sorry, but liberitarianism is untested and theoretically untenable at any rate;
Sorry, but baseless opinions are baseless

>I don't buy any economic philosophies that either don't prioritize collective well-being or model the average citizen as a perfectly responsible actor by himself.
The latter is what libertarianism is. The former you'd be free to do in a libertarian society, you just wouldn't be able to force everyone else to do what you want at gun point. I know that's hard for you to give up, but it's for the best. You monster.

>The taxrate is theft
FTFY

>Those that have enjoyed more success from the society we've all been member to should be expected to contribute proportionately more to those that have not yet seen as much success
"Economics is not zero sum game"

>I believe in taxes and social programs and engineering a better society.
And I believe in not enforcing those things at gun point. You want to donate? Go right ahead. no one is stopping you.

>You like to make me out a communist or somesuch but I have no problem with capitalism; I just don't believe people have an inalienable right to every penny in their paycheck.
Yeah, you're neither a communist nor a capitalist in that regard. You're more of a collectivist fascist.

>If something can suffer, it deserves consideration.
This board suffers every time you post and you don't seem to have any consideration for it at all.
Also, way to dodge the question. Guess we know what you skill set is.

>who, me? I'm a mechanical engineer.
And I'm a pediatric oncologist, on the internet, where no one can verify my claims, as well!

>Those links
You dug up 4+ year old articles, both of which are using data/memes from... 2008?

This board is fucking wild man. How about some actual, academic sources from a time when a Bush wasn't still in office? At the very least, at or under five years ago?

>>108664
>How the hell is being nice to people a bad thing?

That's one of the tenets of libertarianism/objectivism:

>Applying our theory to parents and children, this means that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.2 The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive.

-Murray N. Rothbard, "The Ethics of Liberty"

>>108665
>Sorry, but baseless opinions are baseless
We shouldn't consider libertarianism a valid political system until it's been put to the test. Even Communism managed to create a semi-functional society for 74 years. Libertarianism hasn't even done that much.

>>108684
That's pretty ridiculous IMO. Because there is no logical connection where "being forced to support children entitles you to aggress against them". And what it will lead to is a bunch of starving and dead children.

>>107641
>Leftists want open borders
No. We just think refugees should be let in, and that immigration reform is a better solution than building the stupid fucking wall
>all the right wants is for you stop changing the country
Change is necessary for progress. All the right really wants is for brown people to be kept out, gays and women oppressed, and for wall street to be able to run wild again

>>108684
And here I thought all those AnCap memes were an exaggeration, Jesus Christ

>>108716
>We just think refugees should be let in
Refugees aren't the problem. The terrorists that hide among them, are not. If you can find a way that 100% guarantees none of the people coming in are terrorists, you'll find Republicans (actual republicans, not /pol/) won't give a shit, which brings us to

>immigration reform is a better solution than building the stupid fucking wall

Immigration reform would be fantastic, but even if you have the most beneficial, well planned immigration system it doesn't mean jack if anybody can just swim across the Rio and get in anyway.

>>108736
>terrorists hide among refugees
If this was as big of a problem as you think it is, it would have caused some more deaths wouldn't it?
https://wisqars.cdc.gov:8443/cdcMapFramework/mapModuleInterface.jsp
https://wisqars.cdc.gov:8443/cdcMapFramework/mapModuleInterface.jsp
>immigration
They can just tunnel under, or climb over the wall. Also, the wall will be expensive as fuck, and there's no way mexico will pay for it

>>108768
The links ine my post may not have worked. I went to the cdc website, and looked up statistics on terrorism deaths

>>108716
>We just think refugees should be let in
So open borders for "refugees"
>stupid fucking wall
And a literally open border

Also
>we just want progress!
You dont like America. You want to change it. Because you're a communist.

>>108768
Death by Muslim is pretty low on the things I expect to kill me (at least in the United States).

>>108778
So, we agree that his Muslim ban is stupid?
>>108771
>letting refugees in means having no screening process
Incorrect. They'll still be screened. I don't think you understand how this process works
>no wall means open border on southern border
Border patrol agents can patrol the border. It's almost like that's what they're meant to do
>change means destroying America
Change means bettering America. I guess by your logic, we should all wear powdered wigs and only travel via horse-drawn carriage

>>108788
You want an open border BECAUSE it will change America.

You're a hateful rat, out to destroy.

>>108793
I don't want an open border. I want tolerance and reform. I believe that immigrants should enter our country legally, and be properly screened. All the right seems to want, however, is to keep as many people that aren't white or christians out of the country. We're a country of immigrants. We should welcome them, not turn them away. The hateful rat here seems to be you, not me

>>108822
>BANNON: You saw these guest workers. You saw the CIS report yesterday. You saw that, what is it, 61 million? Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, is not illegal immigration? As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem, we’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem? You were with Jeff Sessions for many, many years. Is that not the beating heart of this problem?

It's not illegal immigration that's the problem, it's immigration period.

>>108834
In what way is immigration a problem? Your ancestors were most likely immigrants

>>108822
>I want tolerance
>implying I dont
>implying this isn't a hateful opinion
>implying your entire ideology isn't based on hate like this

Fuck your commie shit

>>108835
You're the problem. You're trying yo destroy America.

>>108834
You guys seem not to understand, not everyone has a racial and cultural ancestry preference as you do.
You have an opinion, as does Bannon, and it is a fine opinion as any, but it's an opinion.
Most Americans are OK with immigration as long as the people are economically solvent, of good character, and willing to integrate.

>>108822
No, what you want is radical and rapid demographic shift because it benefits your political agendas. If the dominant demographic continues to shrink while immigrants increase the US will balkanize and lose the Western European culture that made it attractive to immigrants in the first place. Immigration should not be something taken for granted to the point other facets of your society suffer for it. You need to balance it with a need for long-term stability and that's not happening right now.

>>108849
Integrate into what? Answer for me that question. What are immigrants integrating and assimilating into if not the very Western European culture the US has had for the majority of its life, something that is undoubtedly going to disappear if immigrants start forming major majorities to the point assimilation is no longer required. Hell, there are already parts of the country where that's a reality.

>>108871
These are interesting questions. Of those immigrants that do become citizens, what sort of culture and ideas do they embrace? What about their children? Do they all turn into SJW or Islamists? How many convert to Christianity? How many become agnostic? Is agnosticism compatible with Western European culture? Do they share more culture in common with all others of their ethnicity or whites of the same economic class? We should definitely investigate all these questions; these are important considerations for many folks and we should be able to juggle concrete facts than abstract principles and generalizations.

>>108880
Yes, yes, yes, no. Cool?

what if the migrants integrate into native american culture

>>108891
Then they become a bunch if impoverished drunks with an oxy habit
?

>>108278
Yeah, it's a shame he didn't follow that 12 year old communist dream

>>108908
It's really sad you don't understand how dreams work.

>>108771
>So open borders for "refugees"
>And a literally open border
Yes, because every country that doesn't have a wall on its border and is willing to accept refugees is "open borders".

>You dont like America. You want to change it. Because you're a communist.
Change is what made America great in the first place, dumbass. If you hate change so much, why don't you fuck off and go live in a cave?

>>108834
So it's a problem because some fucking retard calls it a problem? I guess if I call the color green ``problematic", that means wearing green shirts is a threat to the future of humanity now?

>>108842
There is nothing hateful in wanting tolerance and equal rights for all people. Peddling fascism, on the other hand, is both hateful and intolerant.

>>108845
You're wishing painful death on everyone who is not a white, cisgender, heterosexual, allosexual, able-bodied, gender-conforming, male.

See, I can make up bullshit too.

>>108937
See this shit is fucking retarded. You people worship the idea of change and progress as if they're abstract positives no matter what. Change is not always good. What you label progress does not always qualify, especially since humanity is not moving along a linear time frame from one point to another.

The Roman Empire collapsing in on itself is change. Han China's stability being consumed by the bloodiest civil war in ancient history is change. The sacking of Baghdad and extinguishing of the Islamic enlightenment is change.

People who base their entire political spectrum around "change is good," are as blind, stupid, and exploitable as people clinging to tradition for its own sake.

>>108938
Green shirts don't lead to rapid demographic replacement, ethnic strife, cultural genocide, balkanization, or civil war when they're left unchecked.

Your tolerance is a mask you wear to make you feel like your political positions are a moral zenith. It imbues you with a religious like devotion to a political stance. Stop. Look at everything, even things you like with a detached and critical eye.

Not being allowed in the US does not condemn anyone to death except a minority of cases. The US does not have an obligation to be the world's refuge. Americans do not deserve to have the culture they like eroded away because you want to play social engineer with demographics.

>>108940
>See this shit is fucking retarded. You people worship the idea of change and progress as if they're abstract positives no matter what. Change is not always good. What you label progress does not always qualify, especially since humanity is not moving along a linear time frame from one point to another.
If I think change is always good, why didn't I vote for Trump?

>demographic replacement
Which is only happening because of the inevitable demographic transition to a post-industrial society. If you reject immigration, you will be rewarded with declining population and economic decay.

>>108940
But you miss the point. Change can be good or bad, true, but it is also INEVITABLE. It happens all the time in the natural world heedless of our petty politics; our very species is imperceptibly evolving to live on a dynamic planet. Remember that when you wonder where the new generation's pinky toes have gone.

To get back on track, America flourished because it was a pioneer in an era of change, producing a stable democracy that invited talent from around the world and was infinitely more competitive than any autocracy could ever be.

And guess what? Autocracies fail precisely because they fail to CHANGE. Chinese dynasties fell because of their inevitable instability as dictated by the Mandate of Heaven. The Western Roman empire collapsed under the weight of the poor decisions of its later emperors. A group of democratically appointed leaders is far more flexible, perceptive and stable than an idiosyncratic, stubborn dictator.

Reject change, and you reject the very laws of the Universe itself. No order lasts forever.

>>108937
So you ADMIT you want to change America. Traitorous piece of shit.

>>108938
You care nothing for tolerance or people.

You want immigrants because they make America less white (you are a racist) and they vote left (quicker destruction of America aka progress)

>>108944
>If I think change is always good, why didn't I vote for Trump?
You did not vote Trump because you hate America and probably Europeans generally.

All that shit about change and tolerance is bullshit. You're just a revolutionary.

>>108940
>The Roman Empire collapsing in on itself is change. Han China's stability being consumed by the bloodiest civil war in ancient history is change.
Both of those were extremely conservative empires that refused to change. Their inability to adapt led them to stagnation and collapse. The tumultuous last century of these two empires could be equated to the spasms of a man at death's door. China actually stepped back from becoming a global power and having an industrial revolution more then a hundred years before the Euros ever did just because their new emperor was such a huge inward looking conservative.

>The sacking of Baghdad and extinguishing of the Islamic enlightenment is change.
They were a flourishing civilization that was attacked by Genghis fucking Khan.

While I disagree with your examples, I do agree that change for the sake of change is not good. However, refusing to change is refusing to adapt, and that leads to collapse.

>>108989
white people immigrate to America all the time though. I think you're threatened by the idea of others looking for a better life coming here and taking advantages of the privileges you forsake.

>>108990
I didn't vote for Trump because I love America.
(I kinda hate Europeans tho)

>>109000
>privileges you forsake
Americans didn't forsake shit. People like YOU want to take Americas wealth and give it to your cherry picked immigrants.

That's how you buy votes and oppress Europeans, because you're a fucking racist.

>>108871
>you only want to let immigrants in because they help your agenda
Wrong. I believe immigrants should all be given a fair shot at becoming American citizens. Christian, or not. Again, your ancestors were likely immigrants. It makes no sense to turn these refugees away

>>109044
it makes perfect sense to turn them away, considering it causes grievous harm to american culture, american safety and american cultural cohesiveness to invite in a horde of new arrivals that will progressively ghettoize, bringing an enormous calamity of social problems 30 years on.

muslims do not get less radical over time, they get more radical; even assuming we could know 100% of the time if these muslims are "good muslims" there is no telling what sort of damage their children could do.

if we could detect the "good muslims" from the "bad muslims" every war we've ever been involved in in the middle east would have been over in <6 months. but since there is no actual way to do that, regardless of the resources dedicated to it, it is an extremely foolish mistake to even contemplate bringing any middle-eastern-derived foreigner into the country. save perhaps, at most, the guys who went to bat for us during gulf war II, risking life and limb and at risk of being beheaded for being 'collaborators'

>>108987
So you think America should never change? Why don't you grab a single-shot musket, fuck off back to the 1770s, and go shit in an outhouse?

>>108989
I am opposed to discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, race, or religion. I'm okay with white people immigrating to America to. And I vote left because they are the ones who support equality of all people, not just those who belong to the "right" demographic group.

>>108990
Most Americans are opposed to Trump. To me, America means the people of America, not its government, and not some abstract ideals held by a small minority of people.

>>109033
If whites are oppressed, they're oppressed by nature, not leftists. No one is saying we should ban white people from the country, or deport the white people already here. What we are saying is that we should not give people special privileges based on their race.

>>109044
You know that immigration harms Americans. What else could it possibly do to a host country?

You don't care about Americans losing their jobs. You don't even care about foreigners, because immigration doesnt help them.

Anti American peice of shit.

>>109058
>muh popular vote
You don't understand America.

>muh EQUALITY (meaning fuck white people)
You don't like America.

>we should not give people special privileges based on their race
You advocate special privileges for all non-Americans your lying sack of shit.

Why should anybody listen to your views on America? You cleary do not have our best interests at heart.

>>109054
He doesn't give a fuck about good muslims or bad.

They're anti American revolutionaries, so they suit his communist agenda.

>>107703
ISIS philosophy is literally /pol/shit but with Islamic theology instead of Christian.

Prove me wrong.

>>109080
You're a fucking retard.

>>109081
t.abdul

I wish for another great depression that last for centuries so that you hippiefags can die out while the rest of humanity become strong through endless strife to the point that they become gods.

>>108684
>a philosophy that constantly sucks Ayn Rand's edgy futa cock
>when Rand died on welfare and social security
hmm...

>>109082
See>>109081

>>109087
/pol/ is a board of peace

>>109088
Yeah that's good. Pretend you were just trying to be funny.

>>109092
Not an argument

>>109093
Good job. Random memes. It's somewhat convincing.

But the best way for retards to not look retarded is to stay silent.

>>109094
Not an argument

an

argument

>>109054
>immigrants cause harm to American people
Statistics show foreign terrorists haven't killed any Americans in several years
>immigrants will form ghettos and destroy cultural cohesiveness
The Pakistani family that lives in my town seems to be doing the opposite. I realize that's only one example, but I hope it makes you rethink your worldview
>muslims get more radical over time
Where do you get this idea? Radicalism is not hereditary
>some muslims are bad. Therefore, they should all stay away
I guess I should just lock myself in my room since there are some bad people in this country, right?
>>109069
>advocating equality=fuck white people
Yeah. Cuz fuck logic, right?

>>109106
You are advocating for something which will harm an already struggling America.

Because you WANT white America to fail.

Fuck you.

>>109106
Yah gone full nigga.

>>109108
Since when does giving equal opportunities for everyone mean fucking for white people? Explain.

>>109131
You want to give ISIS equal opportunities?

And you don't understand how this is fucked up?

Thats because you're a fucking RACIST and don't care about white lives.

>>109131
It means purging the white bloodlines and destroying the white establishment that our forefathers built. It means allowing niggas and welfare hippies to come to our doorsteps and shoot us down. It means the death of Christianity and the white race. IT'S US VS. THEM.

>>109136
>calls me a racist when he's stereotyping all muslims as being ISIS

>>109137
Again, explain. How exactly is giving right minded immigrants an opportunity fucking over whites?

>>109138
Bloodline and ideological pollution.

We cannot allow globalization and integration to exist, for they bring about the genocide of the white race.

>>109138
You don't give a shit sbout immigrants minds. This isn't fooling people anymore.

You want immigrants long as they are non-white and/or anti western values.

Go find another country to destroy you commie shit.

>>109140
Then allow more whites from Europe to come in and make it harder for non whites to come in temporarily to the point where the U.S. can become homogenous again. Just don't screw over the ones that are already living here. And you do realize that the biggest threat demographics wise are Asians, not blacks right? Also, Ideological pollution isn't possible since it goes against what assimilation means.

>>109141
No, I don't. Why do you guys fling these baseless assumptions?

>>109143
It doesn't matter if you actually hate whites or accidentally support anti American policies. America gets fucked either way.

So what are you, a revolutionary or a useful idiot?

>>109157
Neither, I already explained why that isn't the case. Liberty, equality and fraternity were the values this country were built on. Why are you then accusing me of being anti-American when the U.S. always exhibited those virtues?

lol go debate him nigga

>>109161
Nice buzzwords, you really sound like a patriot. Not.

People that are pro-America don't want it destroyed.

>hey America you're cool but can you become totally different? Lol

Fuck you.

>>109170
>buzzwords
Not an arguement.

>People that are Pro-American don't want it to be destroyed
And what is "Pro-American"? Alienating society by encouraging discrimination?

Espousing basic principals this country was founded on isn't being different you dense fuck.

>>109179
>And what is "Pro-American"?
Of course you would need to ask. It's not letting millions of possible jihadists.

...Into your country.

Especially when there is a shitload of land closer to them, with people like them.

Not an argument

>>108329
Trump wasn't voted to be popular, he was voted to do his job, which he is doing just fine.

>>109069
>You don't understand America.
You don't speak for America. The American people do. And they have clearly announced that they don't care for Trump.

>You don't like America.
I like America, but to me America does not mean "a racist state full of white supremacists." It means the land of opportunity, for all races, for all ethnicity, for all genders, for everyone.

>You advocate special privileges for all non-Americans your lying sack of shit.
All I advocate is EQUAL privileges for all Americans. That does mean I am opposed to giving white people special privileges, but that only means they must compete fairly; I do not advocate giving them, or any other group, any kind of artificial handicap.

>>109140
Globalization is inevitable. If the entire white population rejects globalization, their best hope is that they will end up as, essentially, domesticated pets of the other races. They simply won't be able to compete or support themselves in the world of the future if they don't accept globalization. The only people encouraging white genocide are people like you, who are denying whites the opportunity to advance and remain ahead, and instead giving them a choice between regressing to subsistence farmers, or slavery followed by death.

>>109210
Most Americans right now don't approve of the job he's doing.

>>109213
Yes they do
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb7

>>109211
>You don't speak for America. The American people do.
Hence Trump winning both the popular vote and the Electoral College. Gotcha.

>I like America, but to me America does not mean "a racist state full of white supremacists." It means the land of opportunity, for all races, for all ethnicity, for all genders, for everyone.
So nothing absolutely changes. Gotcha.

>Globalization is inevitable. If the entire white population rejects globalization, their best hope is that they will end up as, essentially, domesticated pets of the other races.
Nice display of racism against whites.
>They simply won't be able to compete or support themselves in the world of the future if they don't accept globalization.
Right, because it's not like we didn't create the greatest civilization on Earth in human history.
>The only people encouraging white genocide are people like you, who are denying whites the opportunity to advance and remain ahead, and instead giving them a choice between regressing to subsistence farmers, or slavery followed by death.
You are projecting onto us what regressives have been doing this whole time.

>>109211
Its nothing but strawmen with communist garbage like yourself

>>109213
You shills don't understand

You told me nobody stood with me when he campaigned. I stood alone in my support

You told me nobody stood with me when voting for trump. I stood alone when I voted

You tell me now I stand alone in supporting our new president. I stand alone

>>109228
It's the way they try to suppress us, with that TV-advertising bandwagon bullshit. Don't let them get you down, anon.

>>107487

conspiracy theorist.

>>109213
Call this "Most Americans" on the phone and tell him I don't care about his opinions.

>>108946
There's a distinction here I think you're missing in that instituting a policy and then labeling it "change," to make it above reproach is an all too often tactic used.

American demographics heading towards a minority-majority is not inevitable change, it's the result of fairly recent political policies.

Europe having its native populations demographically replaced is not inevitable change, it's the result of subversion and suicidal policies.

You can't enact a social policy with profound implications down the line and then just shrug your shoulders and tell every critic they just need to "accept change is inevitable." You're conflating your stances with the very dynamic of change the same way others do the same with the concept of progress. It's no different than tying your political stance to tradition in an effort to give it extra legitimacy over any opposition.

It turns politics into blatant dogma.

>>108995
Again, refusing change is one thing. Not wanting to partake in cultural suicide is another. The very recent demographic shifts in the West are exactly that, very recent and very rapid. That's not inevitable change, that's the result of misguided policies leading to rapid demographic shift which is never healthy for any society.

Coincidentally, the fall of Western Rome and Han China both came with massive waves of human migration. The complete and total collapse of Meso-America coincided with it. We've seen how this story ends countless times, and yet for some reason western leftists have the hubris and arrogance to think their civilization is somehow exempt from the same dynamics that have governed every civilization from the beginning, that their increasingly shallow and amorphous culture will be the one example to stand against others.

>>109211
Explain how allowing demographic replacement to happen in the US/Europe helps white people exactly. You're saying if they reject globalization they'll end up in a position your policies are already driving them towards.

>>107454
Sign the petition to get anti fa recognized as terrorist.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/president-trump-declare-antifa-domestic-terror-organization

>>109524
signed

>>109338
What I don't understand is, why doesn't the alt-right or far-right or whatever it's called just focus on that

Why does legitimate concerns about the culture of their society have to be couched with all sorts of other baggage like removing banking regulations and climate change. Even for hard core neo nazis, how does this help white people. Many of the foreigners you do have along with a sizeable chunk of whites remaining financially insolvent and without food / medical security doesn't make for a more robust society that's willing to settle for slower economic growth that comes with more gradual, or what you might consider manageable, rate of globalization.

>>109555
There is no Alt-Right. Stop spouting retarded regressive bullshit and wake the fuck up.

>>109565
There isn't much of a "right" at all.

>>109555
Here's the deal. Their is no alt-right, just rational people who are waking up to the fact that modern society is an aberration against human nature, and that it is in human nature to live in ethnostates that compete within themselves and against others in a Darwinist manner to survive. When one ethnostate, through the purity of internal competition, grows strong and powerful enough, it launches wars against weaker ethnostates to wipe their people out to the last woman and child and take their resources. This is how empires are built, and only in empires can human civilization reach the heights it could.

>>109630
/pol/tards don't talk like this. It's much more /b/tier.

>>109634
>b-but m-my /pol/ boogeyman!

>>109634
>>109636
Well, if /pol/tards talked like they usually do on /pol/ outside of /pol/, they'd get banned for trolling.

>>109216
>Hence Trump winning both the popular vote and the Electoral College. Gotcha.
He only won one of those though. And the one he one is not the one that gives proportional representation to the American people.

>Nice display of racism against whites.
It's not racism, it's just an uncomfortable truth.

>Right, because it's not like we didn't create the greatest civilization on Earth in human history.
And that means you can just say no to globalization and continue on like nothing happened? Globalization gives companies access to cheap third-world unskilled labor. Developed countries simply cannot compete in the unskilled labor market unless they impose harsh tariffs. If you ignore globalization, your companies will fail, and with them, your economy, and with that, your civilization.

>>109220
Not an argument.

>>109337
So then you don't care about what the American people think. You only care about yourself and your small in-group.

>>109340
If they reject globalization, their civilization will fail, or fade into obscurity. If white people want to help themselves, they should work to end dictatorships and violence in the third world, and help those countries industrialize. That will eliminate much of the migration pressures, as well as allowing white people to compete in the labor market.

>>109565
Plenty of people identify themselves as alt-right. You may not consider yourself part of the movement, but the movement nonetheless exists, and it doesn't care whether you consider it legitimate or not. They already think most of the right is "cuckservative", so it's not like your opinion of them means anything.

>>109720
You're saying that policies that put America first will hurt America?

Globalization helps us? That is absurd.

You just don't care what happens yo Americans.

Traitorous peice of communist trash. No loyalty to anyone.

>>109720
Go to Hell commie hippie nigger faggot!

Your kind is a threat to the white race; to bring about the white genocide that will erase our culture and establishment. You advocate the slaughtering of babies, sissification of men, scientific heresy, and destruction of the economy. You have no right to live, no voice in this world; for Trump and Putin will bring a new world order that will spread throughout the cosmos and last til the end of the universe.

Kill yourself, you weak scum.

>>109751
False flagging retard alert

>>109630
And I'm one of those "master race".

Enjoy your welfare checks while you still can; cause the new world order will put all of your asses into place.

Who let all these /pol/tards in here?

>>109770
They're invited by the same Identity Politics that brought us Trump.

>>109720
>He only won one of those though.
If you consider the votes of dead people and illegal aliens as valid, then yes, he lost the popular vote. But that's not what happened because those votes are null.

>It's not racism, it's just an uncomfortable truth.
But it is racism because you're selectively targeting whites to accuse them of negative thoughts and actions which are natural when they are being attacked as a race.

>And that means you can just say no to globalization and continue on like nothing happened?
People lived just fine without it. Even when it came to exchange of goods and services with other countries.

>If white people want to help themselves, they should work to end dictatorships and violence in the third world, and help those countries industrialize.
Why don't the people of those nations have to do anything to improve their lives? It's not our problem.

>>109779
>>>/leftypol/

>>109795
Go protect your own kind.

>>109770
You keep shitting up /pol/, we'll come in and shit up /news/.

>>109720
>So then you don't care about what the American people think. You only care about yourself and your small in-group.

I think for myself. Something that's gotten a little too rare around here.

>b-but everyone is doing this!
>everyone is doing that!
>everyone disagrees with you!

I literally could not care less.

>>109836
Nobody's even from this board you reddit refugee

>>109742
>Globalization helps us? That is absurd.
No. But refusing to accept the inevitability of globalism will hurt our nation. It's denial of reality at this point. Saying that America can compete with the third world in unskilled labor is like saying that out of control jumbo jet headed straight for your house is going to veer away at the last minute.

>>109795
>If you consider the votes of dead people and illegal aliens
Proof?

>you're selectively targeting whites to accuse them of negative thoughts and actions which are natural when they are being attacked as a race.
Show me where I did that.

>People lived just fine without it. Even when it came to exchange of goods and services with other countries.
"Lived" is past tense.

>>Why don't the people of those nations have to do anything to improve their lives? It's not our problem.
If the problem isn't fixed, it will become our problem. It would be great if they can fix it on their own, but if they can't or won't, then it's our duty to step in and fix it, unless we want it to become a problem for us.

>>109869
>No. But yes.


You are a joke lmao

>>109897
>can't refute anything I say
>reduces it into a meaningless three words and calls me a joke

>>109903
You have nothing to say we haven't heard before.

>>107454


>swats at hornet nest
>doesnt expect a reaction

What did Milo expect?

milo did nothing wrong.

>>109991
>words from a jew faggot warrant violence
want to know how I found out your a liberal?

>>110194
Liberals think violence is always wrong though.

>>110251
According to whom?

>>110251
Oh fuck, this is the end, i can feel it!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHZHSHAHHAJAHAJAJSJJSJSJSJSJ...

*dies*

*ghostly laughing*

>>109720
You're conflating globalization with wholesale demographic replacement. China is embracing globalization, but it's not careening itself off a cliff of cultural suicide. There's a difference that you're either ignorant of or even worse, purposefully conflating because you're every bit the subverting influence other hyperbolic anons suggest you are. Explain to me how allowing a tidal wave of immigration while native birth rates are crashing does anything to help white people? You're saying if Europe/US doesn't embrace this, they will be destroyed and yet embracing this is only hastening their destruction in the first place. You're saying people need to self-immolate to avoid getting blown up. It makes absolutely no sense.

In case you haven't noticed the past 30 years or so, every time the West topples a dictator and tries to spread industrialized democracy it ends up in bloody civil wars, sectarian strife, and new waves of terrorist violence. The people who live in those countries do not want the West's help and I think it's become exceedingly obvious the West's help doesn't accomplish anything but to make the situation worse. It wasn't dictators that made this refugee crisis, it was the very act you're saying should be done that lit it off. The West can't solve the world's problems no matter how much people with white savior complexes like yourself try to advocate for it.

These are problems no outsiders can fix and they take more than a generation to enact meaning while you're sitting on your hands hoping against hope that this exercise in insanity will someone go differently than the past half-dozen times it was attempted, the West is quickly being destroyed to the point it won't be able to help itself let alone foreigners.

>>110286
Russia is the only power with the right idea when it comes to global politics.

>>109770
You're gonna have to deal with the fact that you're going to run into opinions and positions that you disagree with, and yes, a lot of those are going to be a lot more rightwing than you're use to. Whining about /pol/tards when a lot of the people espousing these ideas have never been there does nothing to fix it, it just makes it obvious you have no rhetoric recourse but to stomp your feet and complain about people believing contrary things to you.

Furthermore, what did you expect this thread to be exactly? The topic at hand is a rightwing provocateur being handed the moral high-ground by violent leftwing thugs on a public university campus renowned for supporting the concept of free speech. If you were expecting a leftwing circlejerk you came to the wrong thread on the wrong board on the wrong website.

>>110252
Liberals.

>>110286
The only way to prevent """demographic replacement""" is to encourage development in the third world so that THEIR population growth rates fall. Falling population growth in the developed world is an inherent consequence of such development, the only way to reverse that trend is to intentionally undo that development and go back to being subsistence farmers.

>>110295
Firstly, it's happening even if your silly quotes make it obvious you don't think it is.


Secondly, nobody is allowing that solution to present itself. If the West barred immigration from these countries with runaway demographic explosions they would quickly learn, whether through diminishing resources or through hard lessons, that you can't keep a nation exploding at the seams like that with any sort of sustainability. A major part of industrialization and becoming a developed society entails getting a handle on this problem, yet you are content to let the West subsidize their demographic diaspora therefore dragging the problem out and keeping it from being resolved by the people in their own nations. They have no reason to fix their problems if bleeding hearts and white saviors like yourself are there to catch them on every misstep and take in every bit of excess population. And in the process of doing so you've condemned your own society to a downward spiral that will make the eventual solution all the more ugly because lessons were not learned and the "band-aid" solutions you came up with only allowed the problem to balloon even larger.

Replacing native Europeans with African and Asian diaspora does nothing to help the nations they come from or Europe itself. It does nothing to help Nigeria fix its demographic problems and only makes more for the host nations involved.

The West cannot fix the problems of the world. They must be done by the people who live in those places with their own organic solutions.

>>110299
Surely Golden Dawn needs more racially awake ubermensch like yourself who are just gullible and full of confirmation bias enough to believe every racebait canard on the white race dying out you see in the allegedly liberal press.

>>108305
>>Russia

Successful?

>>China

Successful?


>>India

Successful?

>>Iran

>>Brazil

Successful?
>>Canada

>>108822
>All the right seems to want, however, is to keep as many people that aren't white or christians out of the country

This country was founded by white CHRISTIANS and was much better off for nearly everyone when White Christians ran things.

And I'm saying this as a Black man.

>>108946
>To get back on track, America flourished because it was a pioneer in an era of change, producing a stable democracy that invited talent from around the world and was infinitely more competitive than any autocracy could ever be.

And how does inviting millions of uneducated people who hate the majority and believe that they are entitled to send American tax money back to their own countries while demanding special privileges help America.

>>110405
Yes the salem witch trials were surely a great thing. So was the civil war, jim crow, etc.

>dumb nigger has dumb nigger opinions

>>110407
Another black man here.

How stupid are you to suggest that is white Christian's fault?

Are you so small-minded that you reduce American history down to its worst moments?

Most likely you are simply too ignorant of any real history to make judgements.

All of that evil shit you mention was done by democrats. They were always the nastiest racists and terrorists.

>>dumb nigger
And they never did handle dissenting blacks well. This need to control drives their movement.

Praise President Trump. Saving us from all the democrats.

>>110433
Black man here. I think blacks would be happier back in Africa and if the government offers the opportunity to go back to the homeland, we should accept it.

>>110299
>The West cannot fix the problems of the world. They must be done by the people who live in those places with their own organic solutions.
This has nothing to do with "muh self responsibility". It's recognizing that EVERYONE's actions have consequences, even if it's hypothetically "someone else's problem". Sure, we want everyone to fix their own problems, but if they don't, others will end up paying for them. So it's in EVERYONE's best interest to ensure these problems are fixed, by SOMEONE.

>>110405
>This country was founded by white CHRISTIANS and was much better off for nearly everyone when White Christians ran things.
A lot of other things have changed since then, too. Want to go back to shitting in the outhouse and dying of smallpox? Be my guest.

>>110453
What kind of uncle tom nigger are you? Fuck off, I'm and African-AMERICAN.

>>110459
Where we shit has changed, but our value system is perfect. Too much change will ruin that.

>>110433
>How stupid are you to suggest that is white Christian's fault?
You claimed that the good parts of American history were due to White Christians. You can't have the good without the bad. Either the White Christians bear responsibility for both the good and bad things in American history, or they bear responsibility for neither.

>All of that evil shit you mention was done by democrats. They were always the nastiest racists and terrorists.
The Democrats back then didn't even pretend to support black people and other minorities, at the time they were open supporters of the wealthy white southerners. But there was a major change of constituencies, and the Democratic Party of 2017 is not the Democratic Party of 1857 or 1927.

Can you give me one reason for a minority to support the modern right, that doesn't rest on xenophobia or anti-intellectualism?

>>110453
You're welcome to accept it. But I'd say it's immoral to say that you can make that decision for the entire black community in America, unless they literally elect you as their spokesperson or something.

>>110462
>our value system is perfect
What even IS our value system? America is not one person, it has numerous subcultures with their own values. So which values are you referring to?

>>110464

Liberty.

>>110463
>But there was a major change of constituencies
YEAH DUD DEMOCRATS USED TO BE RACIST BUT THEN THEY ALL SWITCHED PARTIES

YES I'M SERIOUS LOL

>>110463
>Can you give me one reason for a minority to support the modern right, that doesn't rest on xenophobia or anti-intellectualism?

I support the right because I want less government.

Can you give me one reason for a minority to support the modern left, that doesn't rest on racism or wishful-thinking?

>>110472
LET ME REPEAT: Can you give me one reason for a minority to support the modern left, that DOESN'T REST ON RACISM or WISHFUL-THINKING?

I'm rooting for you. Do you best and don't fuck up.

>>110474
because the left has taken up the banner of EPA, banking regulation, abortion and greater access to healthcare. Those are good reasons for anyone to support the left. They may sometimes have some retarded ideas regarding immigration and culture. But for the most part, the rest of the left's platform is a least arguably respectable.

>>110499
You fucked up.

>EPA, banking regulation, and greater access to healthcare
Wishful thinking. You think giving money to the government can solve problems like this.

>abortion
This is as racist a policy as it gets.

The industry started by a racist eugenicist who hated blacks. You realize you can donate money specifically for black abortions?

You were supposed to give a reason why a minority should support the left. Why would I support genocide of my race?

>>110463
I don't doubt that much of it was due to white Christians. But if non-whites weren't categorically disallowed business ownership or patronage or forced into menial labor, one might expect more contributions to society from those demographics

>>108378
There are ethnicities that are defined by their religious name alone (Arab, Jew, Hindu). It also doesn't matter if the dominant culture over shadows the others as those groups still exist without assmilating properly.

>>110536
>non-whites weren't categorically disallowed
When was that a thing? It's just a liberal fantasy? oh.

>>110543
>the trail of tears and slavery are liberal fantasies
seems /pol/ is getting a little ambitious with its propaganda

>>110594
How dare you. Slavery was a targeted black genocide, not a "non-white disallowment" or whatever the fuck.

How dare you.

>>109991
I imagine he did expect a reaction. That's kind of his entire thing.

>>110605
Your ironic moral outrage is a sumptuous feast.

>>110470
Typing in all caps like a drooling retard isn't an argument.

>>110472
Could you explain more what you mean by "wishful thinking"?

>>110505
>Wishful thinking. You think giving money to the government can solve problems like this.
Oh I get it, you're one of those kooky lolbertarian types who thinks for some incomprehensible magical reason the government cannot ever solve any problem through expenditure of money.

>The industry started by a racist eugenicist who hated blacks. You realize you can donate money specifically for black abortions?
>You were supposed to give a reason why a minority should support the left. Why would I support genocide of my race?
Abortions are 100% voluntary. No one is saying "if you're black, you have to kill your fetus". It's an option. The fact that black people CHOOSE to take that option isn't genocide.