2017 Specialized AWOL Expert

Looks like an average $1000 commuter bike with $200 worth of racks and fenders thrown on. What's the extra $1500 for?

>>990127
Lawyers are expensive.

>>990129
Doesn't every large company have lawyers?

>>990127
>What's the extra $1500 for?

Rugged utility for umm gravel? Touring? commuting? Do-it-all? umm please buy

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>>990121

This is the second mention of Shimano 9-speeds being used on new bikes

> 2017 Diamondback Haanjo EXP Carbon Touring Bike

Full carbon with 9 speed because... utilitarian :^)

I wonder if Shitmano is unloading 9-speed inventory this year to force a 10-speed standard on all levels of bikes

>>990131
Not every large company used them so frequently and frivolously, suing ex employees over the shade of colour used on they startup brand bikes, bike enthusiast coffee shops over trademarks they don't even own, mom and pop-shops with 'Epic' in their tradename, et cetera.
They are the Nasgûl of frivolous lawyer bullying.

>>990146
More like Shimano doesn't have a wide range road compatible eleven/tenspeed derailleur in its program. Sheldon-rigging a ninespeed is the best that can be done.

>>990155
>Shimano doesn't have a wide range road compatible eleven/tenspeed derailleur in its program

But the second bike is Deore cranks, and the rear on the AWOL is 135mm. That doesn't make sense

>>990157
But the cranks are irrelevant, anon. It's the shifters that have to be compatible with the rear derailleur, and Shimano doesn't have a wide range, road shifter compatible derailleur. SRAM does. They use the same wire pull ratio for both road and mountainbike, but Shimano do not.

>>990171

Oh I see. And this is a new "feature" on their 10-speed components from what I'm reading on mtbr

That sucks. another reason to stay 8/9 speed dead-end forever

I don't get Shimano. They are so focused on the european market they seem to think touring should be flatbar only. No road triple above Tiagra and even those can't take a ring below 30t. Brand new XT-T8000 touring groupset and it's flatbar only. WTF Shimano.

is dat a dynamo setup. those aint cheap

>>990217
They're all of $40 for a 3N31. Deary me...

>>990203
What are the limits for Shimano road derailers? I wonder if using a MTB triple would be a better choice, would go as low as the OP bike with a 24t granny ring and 28t in the back if a road front derailer could handle 24-44t (would easily give enough top end for a touring bike, 50t is overkill).

>>990223
It's got a usb charger on the stem, supernova front and rear lights and internal cable routing. That stuff is neat. I doubt the front hub is the rim brake model you mention either. 'Deary me' how fucking old are you faggot.

>>990223
that usb charger is $170 alone

>>990230
So buy a 3D32 instead you crybaby. I own a USB charger setup too and it cost me €50 over a plain model IIRC. No, hub dynamos are cheap. The big cost is having the wheel built unless you build yourself - or is a multinational bike manufacturer who has machines and assembly lines to do it for you.

>>990228
>using a MTB triple
Is not compatible with indexed road tripple derailleurs without some serious hacking (different chainring spacing, will not reach far enough from the frame to reach the third ring) and mountainbike front derailleurs are incompatible with road levers.
But you can of course use friction barcons like Kona does on the Sutra.

>>990203
Touring + dropbar usually means barcons or downtube. Yeah, people tour with integrated shifters, but I guess that's too small of a market for Shimano to care about, or they're just assholes.

What really disappoints me about XT-T8000 is that the RD doesn't have the Shadow+ clutch, and the dynohub doesn't support thru-axles. What's the point of it even existing? And why won't they bring Shadow+ to road bike groupsets? Why does DA-9100 only have plain old Shadow? What's Shimano's fucking problem?

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The LHT and DT have nailed it.

>26/36/48 Sora with a friction bar-end
>11/36 10-speed XT with an indexed bar-end

Touring-specific is still too niche a market for a major manufacturer like Shimano to want to cater directly to it. But it doesn't really matter, because Microshift stepped in to provide shifters to mix-and-match like this with.

>that stem/steerer

it ain't got no alibi

>>990234
Learn something new every day. I always thought chainring spacing was the same and I figured the chainline would be close enough for the derailer to handle.

That really sucks. I can't imagine a reason why Shimano wouldn't just make some road derailers that could handle a MTB cassette, or even better just keep the damn cable pull the same.

>>990350
mtb chainrings are wider because debris on the trail from a mountain ie rocks and trees are often bigger circumferance than road detritus from the city like syringes and failed hopes and dreams.

>>990121

>le poorfag spec surfer

>>990203

What does it matter about crank spec on a touring bike? In what way is Tiagra lacking? Should shitmano make a dura-ace shopping-cart spec triple?

>>990309
I agree, love the gearing on that bike.

Touring bikes are usually best gotten from smaller niche companies like Surly, since specialized/trek/whatever bikes will try to be more versatile. but everything on that bike was made with touring in mind.

Everyone at my shop whos tried the awol and the LHT prefers the surly hands down.

>>990121
I don't understand the pic shows that they didn't do that. And if they did, it wouldn't shift because 4700 doesn't have the same cable pull as old 10 speed.

>>990830
Not if installed as intended, but it you attach the cable to the derailleur wrong you change the wire pull and can get kinda-sorta working indexing with some combinations. It'll be close enough if everything is perfectly adjusted but can be finicky as fuck and need constant readjustment. Common trick for running shimano derailleurs with campagnolo shifters. See Sheldon hubbub and shimergo.

>>990372
You want really a really tiny chainring for touring to climb mountains with a heavy load. New Tiagra triple crank has a 74 BCD for the granny which theoretically allows for as low as 24t. Unfortunately the spider had four arms instead of the standard five arms. Nobody makes four arms 74 BCD chainrings except for Shimano, and they only produce 30t ones. I assume a new duraace triple would also be four arms and useless.

>>990857
why is four arms useless?

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Buying a Specialized AWOL (2016) tomorrow.
Did I dun goof'd?
Maybe I should save an extra £1500 and get this.

>>990867
Lack of aftermarked specialised chainrings. He even said so in his post you nutsack.

>>990309
>>26/36/48 Sora with a friction bar-end
>>11/36 10-speed XT with an indexed bar-end

That's still not enough gear inches for long stretches of killer hills. You need 18"-19" low gear. 26x36 is closer to 22"

>>990874
>Buying a Specialized AWOL (2016) tomorrow.

No I think last year's was better than this goofy set up

>>990857
>You want really a really tiny chainring for touring to climb mountains with a heavy load. New Tiagra triple crank has a 74 BCD for the granny which theoretically allows for as low as 24t. Unfortunately the spider had four arms instead of the standard five arms. Nobody makes four arms 74 BCD chainrings except for Shimano, and they only produce 30t ones. I assume a new duraace triple would also be four arms and useless.

Why is four arms useless? Lots of people tour on XT

I don't like 74 BCD for touring. You can't get 18-19" gear inches with a 24t front unless you go 38t+ in the cassette

A lot of light tourers say 22" gear inches is plenty, but a fully loaded bike going up a mountain range will be pretty shitty without something lower

XT is king for that 22t granny. I'm pursuing a goofy 40t rear with a Sugino XD6000 meme crank. SLX RD. It looks stupid

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>>990874
>Specialized AWOL (2016)

Also the paint job is top-tier of any AWOL model imho

Here's the cyclingabout rundown:

The AWOL uses a Shimano Sora 3×9 drivetrain which provides the widest gear range here. It would’ve been great if this bike came with barend shifters and a Shimano Deore crankset to compete more closely with the Surly Disc Trucker, Salsa Marrakesh and Kona Sutra.

>>990891
>Why is four arms useless? Lots of people tour on XT
You're an idiot. Four arm road and four arm tour/mountainbike is completely incompatible. The two latter have the bolts equidistantly spaced. Shimano road four arm are not. That's why four arm road chainsets are not acceptable for touring use, in GPs opinion. Not because of the four arms, but because he can't find chainrings to suit his needs for that particular type of four arm arrangement.
Please understand what the topic is before replying. Thank you.

>>990900
>You're an idiot. Four arm road and four arm tour/mountainbike is completely incompatible. The two latter have the bolts equidistantly spaced. Shimano road four arm are not.

Calm down faggot. Two people made the same mistake reading your fagpost.

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>>990951
I'm not even him. It wasn't even my post. I even said so in the post you're quoting. You didn't manage to read that either. Perhaps your reading problem is with you and your education, hm?

>>990951
>whitespace inbetween post and quote
>uses double feeds instead of punctuation
Why am I not surprised that you can't read, anon?

>>990849
You don't know what you're talking about and neither does the person that did the review.

>>990957
You're the only one on this board not putting a CRLF after a quote and getting triggered by everyone else doing it, autist.

>>991335
i think he does though m8
it's a well known hack

>>991364
>i think he does though m8
No he(you) doesn't.

>it's a well known hack
No it's not, hubub has nothing to do with 4700 Tiagra 10-speed shifters or derailers, and a 9-speed rear derailer does not need hubub to work with older 10-speed road. You know nothing.

Hubub is a thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with this setup and you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

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>>991649
>hubub has nothing to do with 4700 Tiagra 10-speed shifters or derailers
But this isn't a Tiagra derailleur.
>a 9-speed rear derailer does not need hubub to work with older 10-speed road
But it does to work with a 4700.
>Hubub is a thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with this setup
Please look at the shift wire in the picture. Fel ashamed. Very ashamed. Now kill yourself. Thank you.

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>>991652
>But this isn't a Tiagra derailleur.
Yes it is.

>But it does to work with a 4700.
No it doesn't.

>Please look at the shift wire in the picture. Fel ashamed. Very ashamed. Now kill yourself. Thank you.
Are you talking to yourself?

Can we all get back to the point that this $2,500 Spec ill-ized bike runs on a goofy ass 9 sperg RD and that's ridiculous

The bike should have bar-ends, XT. It's that. fuggen. simple.

Braking? Either tekbro long bulls or some kind of road dicks

>>991675
It doesn't though. It runs on a matching 10-speed Tiagra RD that matches the shifters. The only mismatch is the use of a MTB cassette. Bar ends are shit and a meme.

>>990892
that paintjob is seriously sexy

>>991676
>roadie shitbird

>>991676
>Bar ends are shit and a meme.
you're a fucking meme m8

>>990234
This thread made me understand why my Salsa Fargo has barend shifters. I wondered why not just use Tiagra triple shifters that one of my buddies is using. I thought it's some hipster real adventure thing.

And since I don't see real mountains here, just shitty roads and variety of trails, I'm running it with 26/36/bashring * 12-27 setup. Nicely tight gearing for roads and improved clearance for off road.

>>993964

Barends are also pretty reliable when you're on tour.

>>990203


You can use the di2 drop bar levers with MTB di2 derailleurs .

though
>di2 for touring

Shimano would solve so many fucking problems if they made their MTB and road groupsets more compatable with each other

>>990121
if Shimano would just put the damn Shadow+ clutch on 9-speed derailleurs then everything would be fine.

>>994651
I just built a lht with a disk fork, tiagra 4700 brifters, a 7700 dura ace rd, and a 1x10 set up with two crank rings for rest and recoup days and light traveling.

Considering upgrading my brifter to dura ace. Just one hood.

The lht is amazing when loaded with weight. Strap shit to it and watch its center of gravity drop

>>994651
Shadow+ needs to be fucking everywhere and I really hope that it's not the fucking 50g of weight it adds that's keeping them from doing it because fucking christ it's the best damn thing to happen to RDs in forever.

>>994651

9 speed is pretty much dead, 10 speed is on it's way out. Don't count on it.

>>990121
idgaf about that bike, but i'll remind you that it's completely acceptable to run a 9sp mtb derailer with 10sp road shifters.

nothing wrong about it at all.

it's the preferred method of putting big (34+t+) 10sp cassettes on road bikes for climbing.

not really a kludge imo.

>>990234
indexed front derailers aren't a good choice for touring

>>995074
For aerofagging, or for applications that require ruggedness? Surely the larger tolerances would allow easier running repairs which would be an advantage for touring.

>>997188

9 and 10 speed have pretty much the same chain size and are chainring compatible.

While I've never really had a problem with my 9-speed bikes, I think that 8-speed was the best compromise between ruggedness and utility.