Best Public Transit Vehicle

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I really like the way that the GM Old Look bus and the PCC streetcar compliment each other, and I have an extremely autistic fantasy about operating a fleet of both in a small 1940s city.

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E233. Mirrored hardware and spare pantographs so the train can continue after major hardware failure, very powerful air conditioning, 16 LCDs per car, configurable for subway, suburban and interurban and contains less soul than a Singaporean.

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>>986727
PCC

>>986735
>bus from the 1950s copying a streetcar designed in the 1930s
pigdisgusting

>>986853
PCCs rocked. Remember them trundling down Germantown Avenue.

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>>986857
We got some PCCs in Barcelona second hand from Washington DC, although the cunt mayor of the times didn't like their design and ordered twin headlights installed and bogies covered. Still looks sexay tho.

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Tatra T3, very reliable.
14,113 trams were produced and used in nearly all of eastern Europe.

We had the largest fleet of PCCs in the world for a time, at almost 800 cars. We now use 196 CLRVs and 51 ALRVs, and are replacing them with 208 Bombardier Flexity Outlooks (ugh).

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>>986727

>They still make up most of Toronto's streetcar fleet.

That's only because Bombardier are being a bunch of cocks and not delivering enough of the new streetcars.

>>986835

>Implying Singaporeans have soul in the first place

Is there any lines in JR East that you can really call "interurban" due to its definition? Most of the lines that the E233 series serve are basically either commuter trains, subway, or suburban.

JNR 103 Series, they started building it from 1963 until 1984 with a total of 3447 cars were built and it is still in service today. This is the most cars of the same model built in Japan and it still hasn't been eclipsed yet

103 Series EMU: 3447
0 Series Shinkansen: 3216
E233 Series EMU: 3197 (This is the most built after the privatization, after additional Green Cars are built for the E233-0 Series it will surpass the 0 Series Shinkansen in total numbers built)
E231 Series EMU: 2736 (107 6-door trailer car has been scrapped already and 1 was transplanted into the E235 pre-production set)

>They still make up most of Toronto's streetcar fleet.

Better for us CLRV fans though.

>>986918
>used to have 800 cars
>now 250
>then 200
why

>>986923
>tfw Bombardier is also 21 months late delivering of a working prototype Flexity Freedom for the Crosstown and Waterloo ION.

>>986937
Mostly because the system really isnt as big as it used to be. Also 800 vehicles was actually to many for the system. The opening of the subway lines also took a big chunk out of the streetcar ridership and closed the cities busiest routes at the time.

>>987001
>Mostly because the system really isnt as big as it used to be. Also 800 vehicles was actually to many for the system. The opening of the subway lines also took a big chunk out of the streetcar ridership and closed the cities busiest routes at the time.
I didnt know Toronto had closed lines. Which ones?

>>987004
Well Yonge, church, bloor-danforth as well as harbord, and coxwell. The city almost tore up the entire streetcar network in the 60s or 70s, as they wanted to convert everything to busses

>>987004
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4100.shtml

Here you can see all the open and closed lines.

>>986937

The reason for the jump from 248 to 208 is the fact that the new streetcars we're ordering are much larger than the current models.

>>987101
With an option for 60 more, whether that option gets exercised or not is a completely different story

>>987103
After the current shitshow with Bombardier I doubt it will be exercised.

>>987111

Shoulda went with Siemens or Alstom. They're probably more competent with orders.

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>>986727
best train sydney train. <3

>>987160
Well when Siemens bid is 2 times higher and Bombardier purposely underbids its clear who's going to win.... that and muh buy Canadian. Siemens bid so high beacuse of Toronto's special requirements (i.e. Toronto's unique track gauge and tight turning specs). Siemens would have to build custom parts for the TTC instead of just using their standard off the shelf stuff. I think they would have also needed to set up a plant in Ontario (which they are doing anyways thanks to Ottawa).

>>987169
The thing about trains in Sydney is that they're never really perfect though. There's always that little bit wrong with them. Though I will agree the Millenniums are my favourite purely due to the 80kW of aircon which has a tendency to cool too much rather than too little.

The S sets of course lack aircon (unless you happen to be part of a privileged few in which case the aircon is *really* good because it's intended for half a carriage but piped entirely into a cab).
The K sets have pissy aircon.
The C sets have pissy aircon and that stupid fixed seating.
The Tangaras have minds of their own, still used choppers, most have fixed seating and tend to be top heavy. Points for being fucking beautiful though.
The Millenniums run Windows 3.1. Enough said.
The OSCars have rock hard seat padding and are really fitted out for suburban rather than Intercity.
The Waratahs had their teething issues. Also, wheelslip continues to be more substantial than other train types.

Did I forget about the V sets? Those things are comfy as fuck but have a tendency to just die.
>service delayed due to a train requiring "mechanical repairs"

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This is litterally tram porn.
These trams are made by ASEA
>type 28
>4 axles
>built 1965-1967
>total 176kW
>16,8 tonnes (metric)
>60 km/h
>70 build about 68 left

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Triply articulated Düwag Gt12.

Plus those Gt-series always have that poker face expression of "don't mind me, just carrying passengers and shit."

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MAX Type 1

So Torontobros, is the A/C in the new trams finally working?

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>>986852
>>986862
>>986857
also on board the PCC bandwagon.

Boston still runs (mostly) unmodified ones on it's Mattapan-Ashmont line.

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Since we're all posting PCC's heres the last one from Toronto. We still use it during the Summer. We also have a working Peter Witt as well but that thing is never let our except for parades.

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>>987354
Also have (or had) one of these suckers from the 1920's, still fully operational. It sits is a museum now.

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>>987356
Well sitting in museum is so relative.

At least most of our "static display" vehicles sneak out at night every now and then.

This one: never fully overhauled.

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>>987364
And to make it clear, it pulled the heritage train for all summer while the limited liability company (run by the Tramway society) was busy restoring the motor that was intended for the job.

We also have a Brill in good paint. It has gone through a single-directionalization which was retained I guess mostly because there was no suitable second controller available.

>>987319
Yes. It's the T1 subway cars that have borked AC

>>987375
I remember some discussion that they couldn't run the A/C while using trolleypoles, something about a small contact area and the A/C pulling too much current. So it was all bs after all. Does that means that the new trams will likely keep using poles for many years?

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>>987354
>We still use it during the Summer.
Is there some sort of regular heritage service? 10/10 would ride all day while hiding my hardon.
>We also have a working Peter Witt as well but that thing is never let our except for parades.
I'd love to ride a true american peter witt once. The italian ventottos are nice, but the american units were noticeable larger and generally more based.

>>986727
climate is shit for streetcars. tracks get replaced, or should be replaced too often.
subways >LRT

>>987414
>Does that means that the new trams will likely keep using poles for many years?

For many years maybe, but the TTC will be changing the new Streetcars over to Pantographs once they are done re-wiring the system. Its trolley polls until then.

>>987415
>Is there some sort of regular heritage service?
I guess you could say so. It runs every Sunday on the 509 from June to August I believe.

>>987452
This work to convert to panto is happening right now on St. Clair if I'm not mistaken

>>987507
St.Clair is currently having its platforms retrofitted to be compatible with the new streetcars (they had to do this with Spadina as well). According to the TTC site St.Clair station is getting its overhead wires upgraded but that's it.

>>987425
LRT takes more maintenance because it's on the surface. Climate has little to do with it. Subway's problem is its high cost of not being on the surface.

If anything, streetcars are the best equipped transport vehicles to deal with extreme weather conditions simply because they are heavy, electric and run on rails. All you need is a little plowing and you will never be stopped.

>>987425
>maintaining streetcar infrastructure is expensive, let's build a subway where you have to maintain tunnels which is even more expensive
A
FUCKING
LEAF
(I assume)

>>987425
>What is the Edmonton LRT
>What is the Calgary C-Train
>What is the Vancouver Sky Train
>What is the Toronto Streetcar system

Also you seem to forget a lot of Subway systems do have outdoor stretches

>>986852
I would have to say for lrv/streetrail/interurban PCC. They STILL have soviet clones being made in Current Year, they still run with rebuilds in Current Year, hell, the only other modern LRV that comes close I'd argue is the late 90s early 00s Kinki Sharo LRV because its boring, reliable, low floor and no problems.

>>987425
Hell Newark City Subway (is a Streetcar that runs in a LONG abandoned sewer.water canal)) is another example.

>>987896
I don't considered skytrain as light rail

>>986914
i called them "spaceship trams" when i was a child for their voice and their fast acceleration

too bad they weren't used in Hungary

New York City subway system.
>anything else is second best, at best

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>>990460
Tokyo is better.

>>987347
Why does it have the old MTA livery?

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>>990659
for shits and giggles basically

CAF Urbos 3, Siemens Combino Supra

>>990460
Good system, it has good coverage, express services are based, and frequency isn't too bad either but
>it's totally decrepit, dirty and run down
>almost no escalators at the stations
>important stations in downtown manhattan are the same tiny size from the 1930's
>important transfers in Manhattan seem improvised, often requiring very long walks between lines
>Manhattan in general is a clusterfuck but w/e that's an inheritance of the private systems gotta give you that
>if there's no express service the lines are painfully slow for long journeys like that POS L-train

It's got potential, but being stuck in the 1950's is definitely a drawback. If NY were up to date it could surely be the best subway in the world.

>>992385
>express services are based,
I don't speak twitter slang, but doesn't "based" mean "good"? Express trains haven't been good in 20 years, you can take any express line that has a local service and see about five local trains pass you before you get to the next station. It's impossible to have good express service because knuckle dragging blue collar union mouth breathers keep hurling themselves in front of trains so the unions threatened to shut down NYC if they didn't make a rule that said train operators must never exceed 10mph at all times