Was BART a mistake?

>>981099
Closing the key system was.

>>981099
The BART is weird. IMO only SF peninsula should have had rapid transit, and commuter lines to the rest of the bay area.

>>981099
yes

>>981106
This

BART was not a mistake; BART is needed to do the job the Key System left behind. The Bay Area's freeways get congested enough already.

>>981099
Why can't SF build more subway?

The property tax take-in must be insane since a detached house in SF costs $3M minimum.

>>981106
>>981181
What was the benefit of building BART from scratch rather than taking over the Key System, getting it out of the streets and modernizing it?

>>981264
The question is what could have been if the key system hadn't closed.
>Keep key system as light-rail/local rapid transit
>build true commuter train system
>???
>profit

>>981106
first post best post

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>>981185

Because SF is hella NIMBY and corrupt as fuck. It's taking them like ten fucking years just to put in one new line going through downtown.

All we have going to the western part of the city are shitty buses that take for-goddamn-ever.

If that wasn't enough, it all stops at midnight so you have to pay a shit ton for an Uber or something if you wanna stay out late.

>Was BART a mistake?
Yes, it was a waste of money. They should have used that money to widen the freeways and create more parking downtown.

>>981185
Google Prop 13.

>>981185
>>981337
BART's problem is that they never got the buy-in from the outlying municipalities that they needed to make the system what it should have been. Not that they didn't try, but the city of San Fransisco itself is not the problem.

>It's taking them like ten fucking years just to put in one new line going through downtown.

10 years is what it takes to do the job right. Look at Seattle's proposed 25-year/$50 billion expansion of its light rail system.

>If that wasn't enough, it all stops at midnight

That's a good thing. If you want a good idea of what happens when you don't leave time for maintenance, just look at the DC metro.

>>981343
spotted the Trump voter

Weirdest looking interurbans I've seen. Who made them?

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>>981337
>Dat STANAG

>>981337
>ten fucking years just to put in one new line

Subways take normally 10 to 15 years to build, this after 5 or more years of planning.

>>984364
They're called "Bridge Units" because they were designed to run service over the Oakland Bay Bridge. The original units were built by the Key System themselves (recycled out of their old cars) and eventually they had Bethlehem Steel produce more (out of a mixture of old cars and new parts).

>>981099
OP was a mistake.