Hierarchies

>>979081
>tfw no Claris groupset
am I a fred or something? :(

Entry-level master race here
Comfy as fuck

>>979118
You're a basic level roadie.

>>979081
Entry level here, though i don't really understand that term. Why is entry higher than basic?

>>979081
>MTB shit
You're the pleb, baggy shorts Walmart bag and knobbies pleb

>>979126

If you don't ride multiple disciplines and feel animosity towards people that do, you are literally retarded.

>>979081
XT best bang for the buck all day every day

>>979133
I usually hear this about Deore. One anon claimed SLX. All i want to know is, which one's objectively most durable?

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mid range garbon here- 2X FOR LYFE

105 is the best groupset.

>muh value
>muh 11sp
>muh good shifts

Some of this applies to Rival, but SRAM FDs suck shit. Rival 1x looks kinda cool tho.

anybody buying higher is just a Fred.

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>>979118
>>979126
>>979142
>>979147


Road plebs please consult this chart

FYI fact: Tourney > Ultegra (Official Cycling FACT #12830)

>>979081
this is only slightly wrong on the sram side

>>979154
>no eTap

graph doesn't go high enough

>>979154
>>979142
thats not a road bike you mongoloid

>>979154
I have a durache track sprocket on my fixie. We be race tier now?

>>979157
>thats not a road bike you mongoloid

FUCK
OFF
MOUNTAIN
PLEB

>>979154
I thought Tiagra was entry level.

>>979166
new Tiagra is actually pretty good.

>>979164
Stfu pleb I have an ultegra BB on my steel commuter I'll wreck your shit any day

>>979165
b-but i have lycra and a bottle cage- can't we be friends?

>>979167
Shimano in general just tens to work, the higher tiers just get lighter weight and a bit quicker response. As long as it's set up properly out will function

tfw bought a bike with mechanical ultegra to get into racing but its only in enthusiast tier

>>979222
Unless someone pays for your bike there is no need to go over ultegra/chorus/force tier. Even lower is fine if you're racing crits.

>>979081
Sora entry level here, the groupset is loud as fuck and it's pretty clonky at shifting the big cogs, I should've fallen for the 105 meme...

>>979222
Are you a pro or an enthusiast?

road fags took over a mtb thread

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Tiagra is so gud and kawaii desu

>>979228
>Unless someone pays for your bike there is no need to go over ultegra/chorus/force tier. Even lower is fine if you're racing crits.

certified non-patrician pleb officially detected

>>979081
What if I don't know?

>>979147
I have rival 1x and I love love love it.

>>979081
You know how I know that chart is a steamy pile of BS?
>Deore and alivio in the same class

kektus

>>979245
If I ever try to do a gravel build, I'm gonna go Rival 1x all the way. Also if I ever move somewhere more flat.

>>979247

why would shitmano have 4 basic tier and one entry tier of Deorgay

Hol up, why T F do deorgay have SLX in the middle before deorgay XT Why T F even do that.

Is the upgrade from Deore to SLX a similar jump to XT or is SLX serving some special purpose like Zee?

>>979244
not even pleb.
what's lower than a plebeian? oh right, a slave.

>>979247
Alivio is the minimum for actual "real offroading mtn biking"

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We suntour now

>>979154
>That feel when you have a Sora groupset on your new bike but before this you rode a 40-year old shit-tier groupset with stem shifters, so you're extremely satisfied with the upgrade and have a newfound love for the sport even if Freds on the internet tell you it's bad

>>979254
But the gap between the d and a is just 2 much senpaitachi

>>979258
Their downtube shifters were really nice

>>979262
>But the gap between the d and a is just 2 much senpaitachi
Say what? The 4000 Alivio has double chainrings, HTII cranks and features even last Deore group didn't have. If anything, Alivio and Deore is extremely close. It's nine gears vs ten.
Closer than 2x10 SLX and 1x11 XT that actually differ substantially in features and concept.

>>979261
>ride beater on commutes
>cum every chance gotten to ride the Sora road bike
>groupset gets fucked by dried sperm
>Freds laugh at me

feels bad

>>979267
Are you me?

>>979154
>puts tenspeed €400 apex at same level as €250 ninespeed sora
Just because it is the respective manufacturers entry level doesn't mean they're equal. Apex would roughly go with Tiagra in terms of weight, finish and features. SRAM doesn't have a competitor for the Sora/Claris/Tourney segment. Microshift does.
Current 105 is also firmly in Ultegra territory. It's even hard to tell them a part from a technical standpoint.
>also etap

>>979265
Well....Its seem alivio did really gain up on deore

ITs not listed on their site for some reason

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>>979275
>ITs not listed on their site for some reason

Let's take a look at the aesthetic upgrade as well...

from "holy shit"

>>979270
Only when you're not looking.

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>>979275

to "pretty fuggen cool"

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>>979283
>>979281
man,its seems like yesterday their RD wa a blastig:DD pos with weak return springs

>>979081
My first bikes had alivio and tiagra a few years back. Now after 5 years i have upgraded to shimano 105 on the race bike and xt 785 on the mtb.

I would say the greatest difference is weight and precision in changing gears. Not worth it unless you are weight wheenie.

Alivio was a really nice groupset, never missed a gear and worked well in -20C. XT 785 is much lighter and an extra gear but really i am not faster either on xt 785 on the mtb or 105 on the race bike.

So physical fitness is really the key. A fit person on alivio will beat a not fit guy on xt 985 any day.

>>979290
I care only about the annoyance factor. I want my bike to be a pleasure to ride and low maintenance.
What's your experience with the groups from this point of view.

>>979137
I know that for cranksets it's Alivio (steel rings) and for cassettes and hubs (steel freewheel) Deore.

>>979164
>>979170
fkn scrubs ima rek you with my Super Record headset

>>979302
But steel rusts.

i got rid of sram force 22 a while ago for new ultegra 11 speed


i jizzed in my fucking pants first ride

shimano actually shifts
you can change from the small ring to big ring with one finger instead of having to muscle the fucker over

ive put about 500 miles on it and I've only adjusted the RD tension once

I used to have to fuck with the sram garbage at least once a ride

also dropped the chain with sram probably at least once a ride with sram, haven't dropped it once with ultegra

My assessment of srams well deserved unreliability reputation

1. The tolerances for range of correct operation with Sram stuff is way way too tight. Theres more play allowed in the system with Shimano. If tension isn't extremely precise with Sram, you'll get shitty RD and FD shifting and you'll be dropping the chain because of the 'yaw' capability in the FD which can override the stops if you push the lever too much, which you inevitably wind up doing when cable tension lessens over time. Theres play in cable systems no matter what, even just the cable housing moving against the cable stops, cables wearing in the lining of the housing a small amount or cables moving a tiny tiny bit in the ferrules. It might be a super small amount, but it's in excess of Srams tolerances
2. They build shit too wimpy in chasing weight weenie marketing, it winds up breaking, they use shitty springs in their stuff that also loses tension, you can't service the parts either.

Even though the Force group was 2x the price of the Ultegra group, the ultegra group just looks so much higher quality, the components look so much nicer up close and in detail and have an appearance of higher manufacturing standards and higher cost in production.

>>979275
>>979283
yesss, I have a build of Alivio/Deore stuff and those exact cranks, really solid groupset tbhfam

>>979327
You have no idea what you're talking about and it sounds like your SRAM was just poorly set up.

I'm not saying SRAM shifts as smoothly or as easily as Shimano, because it doesn't. I'm saying that your explanations are bullshit.

>>979147
this. I love my 11sp 105.

>>979081
>Lists only MTB grouppes
Yeah sure go play in the dirt little boy, the adults will be over here on the based pavement.

>>979361
why not road for commuting, mtb for recreation?
don't tell me you enjoy biking on flat boring roads all day

>>979081
Fixed SRAM mtb group tiers

Pro
>XX1 Eagle
>XX

Race
>X01
>X1

Enthusiast
>X0
>GX

Midrange
>X9
>X7

Entry
>X5

Basic
>X4
>X3

Ebike Tier
>EX1

>>979239
Well, this is a thread about sucking marketing department cock, and who's better at that than road cyclists?

>>979081
Di2 is shit-tier though.

>>979424
MTB-ers

>>979081
> that Fucking nomenclature
Wtf sram

>>979154
Claris master race
>implying I need 11 speeds

>>979416

BULSHIT

>>979374
>why not road for commuting, mtb for recreation?
>don't tell me you enjoy biking on flat boring roads all day

I am touring clan and I resent that remark.

Touring and bikepacking are the druids of cycling. Best forever. Long distance endurance / 24 hour / RAAM / Tour Divide riders also welcome

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>tfw Dura-Ace 7400
Chain rubs in stupid gear combinations and only 2x8 gears but god damn if it doesn't look better than all that newfangled tacticool carbon shit.

>>979336
not an argument

>>979154
Campy Centaur and Athena EPS are gone, and Athena is being replaced by Potenza, which is more expensive than Ultegra because Campy is dumb as shit.

>>979776
>pokeball shifters

>>979809
Athena was also more expensive than Ultegra. I think they just wanted to move away from the feminine sounding Athena to a more masculine name.

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>tfw patrician mtb components

>tfw full rival on my garbon road bike

>tfw not technically patrician for road racing

that said, my rival rear derailleur has been durable as fuck. It's a real nigga 2bh