/tram/ - Tram General Thread

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From the old thread...

Tatra T3D-M in Chemnitz, Germany.

>>969516
Why are the new Skodas going to be bidirectional? All lines including the new line 3 have loops. And for temporary construction works some of the Varios are bidirectional, as are all the CBC tram-trains.

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>>969646

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Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Tons of hand-me-downs because of the aftermath of the Bosnian War.

Tatra K2YU.

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>>970518
Tatra KT8D5K. 3 trams were from Košice, Slovakia.

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>>970519
Satra II. They are refurbished K2YUs. 2 trams were from Brno, Czech Republic.

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>>970520
Satra III. They are refurbished K2YUs. Note the low-floor section in the middle. 1 tram was from Brno.

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>>970521
Lohner Type E. Originally from Vienna, Austria.

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>>970523
LHB 9G. Originally from Amsterdam, Netherlands.

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>>970524
LHB 10G. Also from Amsterdam.

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>>970525
Duewag GT8. From Konya, Turkey but they were originally from Cologne, Germany.

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Warszawa, don't remember the tram type

>>970552
Konstal 4N

>>970524
They didn't repaint them? It even still has the little logo of the Amsterdam transportation authority.

>>969646
jävla stockholmare

>>970518
>bosnia

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>>970518

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>>970888
seems they're too poor to throw money at repainting. if it's not broken, don't fix it

however, from a tramfag's point of view it's amazing that their poverty has lead them to have this rather impressive collection of older tram models that are (or soon will be) scrapped in their original locations

>>969646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTwDGSeyEO4

what other cities have (or have had) trams running in subway-like tunnels?

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>>971466
Here's a list of cities with at least five underground stations:

Edmonton, Canada.
Antwerp, Brussels, Charleroi, Belgium.
Rouen, France.
Bielefeld, Bochum (and Herne), Bonn, Cologne, Dortmund, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Frankfurt, Gelsenkirchen, Hannover, Mülheim, Stuttgart, Germany.
Guadalajara, Mexico
Porto, Portugal.
Volgograd, Russia.
Alicante, Málaga, Spain.
Istanbul, Turkey.
Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine.
Buffalo, Newark, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, United States.
Valencia, Venezuela.

>>971507
You forgot Boston

>>971466
Toronto currently has 3 underground Tram stations. Union, Spadina, and Queens Quay (You could include St.Clair West as well). A bunch are under construction for the Eglinton Crosstown as well.

>>971784
I appologize.

>>971507

Also "soon" to be added: Karlsruhe.

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Oranjestad, Aruba.

Single-Decker.

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>>971972
Double-Decker.

These trams were built by TIG/m, they are powered by batteries and uses hydrogen fuel cell technology in the vehicle propulsion systems.

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>>971943
Indeed

>>969796
Don't know about this specific example, but double-end trams allow for more flexibility in the operation, you just need a switchback to allow for partial services, either regular ones, rush hour, or during breakdowns. With turning loops one fault may cause shutdown of long stretches of tram line all the way to the next turning loop. With double-ended units you can just have switchbacks every 3-4 stops without the need for lots of space for loops or loops around a whole city block to be able to maintain partial service on most of the line except that stretch of 3-4 stops.

What city has the oldest trams in regular revenue service? Melbourne with their W-class trams?

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>>972274
there should be dozens of Peter Witt's from 1929 in regular service in Milano

>>972304
B A S E D
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Milan wins the game.

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>>969646

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>>972328

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Sapporo, Japan.

Series 210. Built by various manufacturers within Hokkaido.

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>>972728
Series 220. Built by various manufacturers within Hokkaido.

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>>972729
Series 240. Built by various manufacturers within Hokkaido.

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>>972731
Series 250. Built by various manufacturers within Hokkaido.

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>>972733
Series M100.

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>>972734
Kawasaki Heavy Industries KW-57 series 8500.

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>>972736
Kawasaki Heavy Industries KW-59 series 8510.

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>>972738
Kawasaki Heavy Industries KW-59 series 8520.

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>>972739
Tokyu Car Corporation TS-309 series 3300.

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>>972741
ALNA SHARYO Aruna series A1200.

>>972273
>>969796
Hey guys, I have a great insight why they switched to balloon loops. You know, if one looks at the early 1900s systems, almost all of the were in fact bi-directional, but then they switched.

I believe the reason for that can be summed up in justa one word: "trailers". As the demand still grew in the early decades of 1900s, the trams started to customarily pull trailers. They didn't yet have the technology needed for articulated vehicles and the trailers offered other benefits at the time, when labour was cheap, so what became the "standard unit" in tramways was a motor car and one or two trailers.

Nevertheless, uncoupling and driving the motor car into another end of the "train" at the terminus proved to be a hightly bothersome operation that kept the expensive trams off from revenue service, hence loops were introduced to speed up that operation.

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Dat ass.

>>971507
vienna, has also more than 5 stations in the underground. You can find it at the gürtel. >>972249
looks nice and the train-trams are great.

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>>972736
>>972738
>>972739
>>972741
I did a bit of looking around and these are bogie models and not tram models.

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>>971466
>>971507
I guess Barcelona has five underground stations too (four on T5/T6 and Cornella Centre on T1/T2)

>>973487
That station semés a bit... spartan.

>>973487
Only three on lines T5/T6.

>>973489
In a country where usually everything is built way over the top it's a welcome change.

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>>973489
>a bit... spartan
not an unusual trait for Barcelona underground

>>973502
>Only three on lines T5/T6
oh. my bad

Lads, Eisenbahn Romantik (german railway show) marathon on now!
http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=42667

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>>971466
New Jersey has 5 underground stations for light rail, but it was always streetcars, they just replaced them with LRVs.

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>>972273
The specific case of Chemnitz actually has quiet a lot of switchbacks for a network built for unidirectional Tatras. On the other hand there also exist several normally unused junctions to divert unidirectional trams around in the center (where the breakdowns and accidents are most likely to happen and would have the biggest effect)

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Cleveland, Ohio.

Breda LRV.

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Gothenburg, Ansaldobreda Sirio M32. Generally shit trams full of rust and hidden problems, also they weigh so mutch and wearing down the rail like a grinder

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>>973695
>On the other hand there also exist several normally unused junctions to divert unidirectional trams around in the center (where the breakdowns and accidents are most likely to happen and would have the biggest effect)

That's a pretty much standard in a 1st generation tram network. I could name at least 10 points that don't see a regular use in my local network, but instead I'd like you to give a few thought for the cool feature encircled.

See if you can spot the significance.

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>>974631
>>973695
Chemnitz is in some way even a 2nd generation network, with it being entirely rebuilt in standard gauge on new right of ways from 1961-1988.

As for an actual first generation network, Freiburg for example lacks a dense inner city network and so far routes everything over two lines crossing themselves in one point, only now a second line is being built.
The red area is closed for parades or protest marches a couple of times a year. For those occasions, crossovers (some even in both directions) exist before the city center, and a loop from the eastern line. Most of the fleet is bidirectional, despite most terminuses having loops.

>See if you can spot the significance.
Presorting tracks before the junction or the curve that only runs north->west?

>>975146
>Presorting tracks before the junction or the curve that only runs north->west?

Yeah...! Actually. But you see that larger junction below that, that is the sole inpassable bottleneck in the whole western town tram network. Where are the trams going to go when that junction is blocked???

Answer, the don't go, they take the whole city block sized, nay the district sized detour into west and then back north and they go where they came from.

Comprendo man, I is a drunk-stoned nao.

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Dallas, Texas.

Kinki Sharyo SLRV. The "S" stands for Super. They are retrofitted with low floor sections.

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I was, indeed out of control last night.

>>975146
Yes, the curve, I meant to say. That's a special measure so if that one intersection below it that has no alternative routes around it is blocked, south-bound trams may take a rather large detour back north.

I also meant to hask, how much Freiburg system got "rationalized" in the 50s. I've seen some tram networks that have gotten their once extensive city center parallel network torn out, but the longer out-bound routes have remained. Moscow is the best and biggest example, I think, several US-system as well, I must believe, but they all got eventually dismantled all the way.

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60 years of transit planning, is rapid transit a meme? should north american cities stuck with trams? i think yes

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>>975782
>not keeping your Streetcar system

Also map doesn't include the Cherry Street line which opened last month.

>>971507
you forgot about Bucharest

>>975782
>trams =! rapid transit
The Montreal tram network didn't go anywhere near as fast as the metro does today and couldn't carry nearly as many people too (just look at how terrible the Toronto network is in terms of speed and capacity). The bus network still follows the same routes as the tram network did anyway (and has a higher average speed than the tram network did in the 50s).
Removing all the tram lines was bad decision but at least the bus network that replaced it was competent and they actually built a solid subway network that serves the downtown very well (unlike the Toronto Boonie Rocket) which was pretty unique for a North American city in the 60s.

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>>974628

>IC4 for the Danish State Railways
>Sirio M32 for the Gothenburg Tram
>V250 for the now defunt Fyra service

Is there any first world rolling stock manufacturer out there that is more shitty than AnsaldoBreda?

>>975837

>TTC Streetcar system

I wonder what will happen first, Bombardier actually finish the delivery for the new Flexity Streetcar or screwing up with the delivery for the Flexity Freedom for the Eglinton Crosstown

>>976013
The Flexity Freedoms are already screwed considering the ones for the Waterloo ION won't be delivered on times, so the opening of the line is going to be delayed. Hell I'm not even sure if Metrolinx has received a working prototype yet. They were supposed to have it last fall I think.

>>976019
If Bombardier doesn't actually the LRVs on time (and I doubt the delays will actually be as bad as the click seeking 'journalists' in the press are speculating since production will probably ramp at some point) Metrolinx will probably just loan some from other systems.
I love how the same morons who were complaining that Harper was screwing over the industries in Ontario are now screaming for Metrolinx to buy foreign built rolling stock at the expense of killing the CanCar plant in Ontario (and also killing the Canadian aerospace industry too while they're at it because subsidies are apparently unheard of in that industry).

>>976045
What hurts most is that there is only one Canadian rail manufacturer left. Once Hawker Sidley and Montreal Car went to Bombardier along with UTDC things went downhill. So were essentially stuck with Bombardiers shit. Mississauga and Ottawa however didn't get roped into this mess and went with international manufacturers (Alstom and Siemens to be exact). This would have been a lot less painfull had there been another Canadian alternative but Bombardier for all intents and purposes made sure that didn't happen.

From a Toronto perspective with Bombardier's fuck up I believe the TTC will black list them from future bids once we get the final streetcar, but nothing has been said to this yet. With the T1 rolling stock retirement coming up in 2022 the TTC will be looking at new vehicles in the next couple of years so it will be very interesting to see how all of this plays out.

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>>972274
quite some use really old rolling stock
>>973476

>>975647
Dallas has a really underrated rail network. They just really need better urban planning near stations rather than a sea of park-n-rides.

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>>972274
Boston still runs post-war air electric PCCs on it's Mattapan-Ashmont branch

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>>972274
Naumburg?

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>>972274
Volk's Electric Railway in Brighton, England is using mostly rolling stock from 1901

the oldest operational car is from 1892 but currently in repairs, It's expected to return to service next spring

the youngest car is from 1926 but also in repairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volk%27s_Electric_Railway#Rolling_Stock

>>976509
Most intredasting, but the question was about regular service, not heritage/tourist operations. They already have the record of oldest operating electric railway, leave something for the others.

>>976498
Good one, but the trams they run are from the 1950's-60's.

>>976493
Philly also has PCCs on the Girard Ave. line (with a/c and wheelchair lift, no less). Another great example, but for now Milan still has the record with their 1929 rolling stock.

>>976048
Those tiny, old-ass german tram lines are 100% pure distilled win. BUT this one, as well, uses trams from the 50's for regular service, and only has older cars for special trips. Doesn't count as regular service, otherwise you'd have to measure it with tram systems that still keep 100+ year old units in operating condition.

>>972304
I think so far Milan is a winrar with their 1929 trams.

Until recently the winner would clearly have been Buenos Aires with their 1916 subway cars, but they've been retired now.

Anyone going lower than 1929?

>>976540
Oh, I forgot, Melbourne's W-class trams started operating in 1923, any Melbournian here care to confirm if there's still W trams from the 1920's in regular service, or do they just run the "younger" units?

>>976544
W6s built in the 1950s are used for the City Circle and 78/79
Three W2s are used for the restaurant tram

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>>976550
Restaurant tram doesn't count as regular service, so Milan still stands as the tram-thread old-age champion.
W-class trams are still based af. Is there a special reason they run on lines 78/79 or is it just for shits and giggles?

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Great Orme Tramway in Wales is also extremely old. Opened in 1902 and still using original rolling stock. It's unusual because it's an funicular tram. And just like Volk's railway it always was a tourist service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Orme_Tramway

>>976556
I gues that's their "sight seeing" line. Is that even the circle line around the city center that's free to board?

>>976560
That thing is insanely cool. I've been playing with an idea if it was converted to a single funicular with four cars going up and down at the same time.

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>>976565
>I've been playing with an idea if it was converted to a single funicular with four cars going up and down at the same time.
The issue with that is that the longer a funicular gets, the more weighs the cable. A double funicular as you propose it would mean huge stresses on the upper part, which would also carry the weight of the lower part. So seeing the results, two separate systems will always make more sense.

...HOWEVER you could do this double funicular system with an aerial tramway. The kind of aerial tramway with fixed carrying cable and moving traction cable works essentially like a funicular. If the line doesn't have much gradient it's like a flat funicular, and since you don't have gravity to pull the cars down you have the traction cable as a loop that will pull the cabins either way. Thus the weight of the cable is no longer an issue and you can have a funicular with four cars.

There is an aerial funicular in Barcelona which originally worked that way, though only briefly between 1931 and 1936 when it stopped because of the civil war and was heavily damaged.

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>>976569
The funicular was later rebuilt and reopened in 1963, but only with two cabins, since the other two had been damaged beyond repair. Since then it works as a normal aerial tram with two cabins that cross each other, meeting exactly at the intermediate station (which closed some years ago because of low patronage). The middle station had to be at the exact middle of the line so that all four cabins would stop at their station: one in each terminus, two at the intermediate station.

Pic related is intermediate station.

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>>976571
Cabin #1

looks safe as fuck dunnit

>>976569
Well, together Great orme tramway would be only about 1600 m, which is not exceptionally long for a funicular. Sierre-Montana-Crans is the longest, 4 km.

I was thinking of something like two cable system and a single winding house, all cars would run in unison. There would be two pairs of cars. When other pair is in the top and the bottom ternimus, the two others meet at the midway point.

The wind out mechanism would need some extra complexities to allow two cable operation, this would include individual direction control per cable, as the other pair of the cars would need to change direction when the two others are in the midway point plus some calibration mechanism to fix minor slack differences between the drums. Also there's the slight issue of either moving the midway point 20 meters down or alternatively moving either upper or lower terminus 40 meter up. If the both sections were within few methers the same lenght, this would be totally doable.

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>>975705
>I also meant to hask, how much Freiburg system got "rationalized" in the 50s.
Have this map from 1949. Line 5 and the remains of line 6 were closed 1959 and 1961. Haslach (5 south) was reopened on a very different route 2002-2004, Herdern (5 north) is a bus line today. The area of line 6 isn't even served by buses anymore today.

In 1986 a couple of lines around the central station were closed, as they were replaced by a new elevated section, which brings significant time savings from the western suburbs and also improved the interchanges to the trains.

>>976013
>Thanks Bombardier.jpg
That seems to be the fault of the CLRV though.

>>976047

>With the T1 rolling stock retirement coming up in 2022 the TTC will be looking at new vehicles in the next couple of years so it will be very interesting to see how all of this plays out.

TTC will probably end up just crawl back to Bombardier and build more TR trains for the Bloor-Danforth Line since there is always the off-chance that the TTC will try to standardize the fleet.

>TTC Gauge is a mistake, etc.

>>976715

I know, but I couldn't think of a better filename for the clusterfuck regarding the Flexity Outlook at hand. [lolnospoiler] Let's not forget the major manufacturer of those CLRVs aka UTDC is now in the hands of Bombardier [/lolnospoiler]

>>976575
Sure it's doable, but where's the advantage over having the two systems separated? If you were building it from scratch it might make sense, but all that conversion to end up with essentially the same service.

>>976756
Sure. I'm just endlessly fascinated by things of this nature. I'm thinking, world has a bunch of funiculars, how come there seems not to be a single example of a funicular like this, what is the unovercomeable engineering problem with it?

>>976964
>what is the unovercomeable engineering problem with it?
I think the issue is that you add up lots of forces unnecessarily, while two separate systems much simplify the whole setup, or one long funicular with longer trains and an intermediate station.

>>976979
I still refuse to believe that "forces" are a main problem, but I can see a bunch problems caused by four cables running, possibly between a single pair of tracks. Simply too busy and error prone for cape or metre gauge. Another thing would be differences in cable slack so the cabins would not meet properly in passing tracks.

I think there are one or two funiculars where there are two funiculars parallel, four cabins total. Ikoma cableway in Japan at least.

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One problem I see with your 4-car funicular are the switches. A normal funicular uses Abt switches that always make each car run on one side of the halfway passing loop. That way, the cables will always stay seperated

Your 4-car funicular will have three passing loops.
In the webm, car 1+2 (red) and 3+4 (yellow) would be connected by one cable respecitvly. The central loop will always see either two red or two yellow cars (like the loop on a normal funicular). The other loops will always have a red and yellow car passing each other. Which car passed on which side is noted by the numbers next to the loops.
Because of this each car will always run on one side on two loops and on the other side on the remaining third and there is no way around that.

And as I see it, this will require the cables to cross each other at some point.

(If anyone wants to know, the webm was made with JBSS Bahn, a sandbox streetcar and railway network simulation)

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Cagliari, Italy.

Škoda 06 T.

>>977278
Not so but almost quite. I did managed to find a cable configuration that does work a full cycle without crossing, but that would make switching a nightmare plus would need one tiple passing track at the bottom loop.

If you insist, I may provide a full diagram later. Initially I worked it out on pen and paper on an old student almanac that has been left to rain at some point.

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>>977504
Indeed it would work with a triple passing track, I put it in the middle, with the yellow cable pair being below (image-below) the red pair, but there are probably other solutions as well.

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>>977610
Yeap, I worked it out like 1 plus 4 and consecutively 2 plus 3 were on the same side, if you get what I mean. Here, have a look at my scribbles, maybe that makes it clear.

That way I got all the way to "step 8" (16 steps total, but steps 9-16 would be mirrored) before running into a illegal configuration.

Does JBSS have an option like don't let the lines cross or something?

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>Old KTM-5 tram as passenger vanship from Last Exile.

>>977675
>KTM-5
Worst design ever.

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>>977647
Through a forum post I read about this peoplemover in Laon in France, the Poma 2000, which looks like a funicular but isn't.
It consists of two sections, the lower flat section with one car and the steep upper section, which normally runs two cars that meet in a middle passing loop, similar to a funicular. Unlike funiculars, the cables on both sections are continuous loops; at the station between the sections the cars grab from one cable to the other and can run the entire line that way. Also the cars always run on the left side of the passing tracks, as they switch cables and don't tangle them up.

It will also shut down and be replaced by a bus this September.

Instead of our four-car-funicular in most cases a cable car would be an easier solution.

>Does JBSS have an option like don't let the lines cross or something?
It's a sandbox simulation of railway networks in general, not funiculars, so it doesn't consider cables at all. You just can make it look like a funicular by letting the cars depart simultaneously and making the segments the same lenght.

>>977964
I seriously doubt you can even call it design anymore. It's more like a simple metal box hastily put together that is able to run on rails

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Oslo, Norway.

Ansaldo/Firema SL95.

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>>979717

Duewag/Strommens SL79.

>>977675
Why is Last Exile so good?

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The youngest of these will turn 30 next year, the oldest is 41.

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We have a bunch (exactly 30) of ones without low floor middle section too. (With middle section: 52.)

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>>979938
All are above 40 years olf and being phased out from the regular service, but the transit authority still staches them outside the network in a "dry, safe space for 3-7 years" in case extra cars are needed after some extensions.

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The oldest, number 31, being transferred.

This is not the retirement, just a job alternation leave.

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It's amazing none has been destroyed. Some have been on fire, they have crached with vehicles and derailed multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br-u3Ab_VO8
(they certainly don't seem hurry with the extinguisher, apparently patiently waiting that not just the electricity being switched off, but also that the contact line is properly emergency earthed)

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Might be these (>>979938) are being stached in case these pic related cars are being discarded in the next year (when a maintenance contract with Bombardier expires), the youngest being just above 15. They were supposed to last 30.

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One of them did
>multi-track drifting
>and a parallel park

And got totaled. Seems it's not going to be restored.

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A shameful display!

>>979943
So you're telling us that all of them are in use? Well, this is something.
But it isn't the only example. In Budapest, the famous Ganz ICS fleet (from number 1301 to 1481) had 42 years without scrapping. (Well, in this version we don't count the slightly older two prototypes in, which were never parts of the entire 1300-series.)

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Seeing anything weird, guess why?

>>979952
Well "in use". The first batch of ten is in process of being sent into storage outside the network. (Will be a fenced and covered but not heated tarpaulin shelter.)

Also I think one unit has been unofficially selected for preservation and has not been used in several years.

>>970518
Do you have any pictures of K2YUs having the pantograph on the second module? It was rather unique (and if I know it right, it was some inheritance of the old PCCs/"Amerikankas").
>>970519
No, it's a regular Tatra Tatra KT8D5CS. The only KT8D5K was the 300 (serial number: 178708). And from Kosice/Kassa not 3, but 4 trams arrived: 510 > 301, 506 > 302, 502 > 303, 511 > 304

>>979719
what crazyass had the imagination to combine a tram junction with a fucking fountain? just why?

>>980266
It's a cool idea. It looks nice and people won't run around in the shallow water and get hit by a tram.

>>980547
It could be in a better place, it almost gets wasted as it seems it is in a middle of a traffic circle or something.

Still better, my town doesn't have any nice features like that in its tram network. Few hundred meters of that "grass stone" thing, you know, those stones with holes in where grass is supposed to grow, but in practice not very well. Even vignol rails with sleepers would be better. That's because the ROW just absolutely must be navigable for emergency vehicles everywhere, did it make sense or not.

>>980552
>the ROW just absolutely must be navigable for emergency vehicles everywhere, did it make sense or not
Interesting concept. Where is that?

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>>980557
Helsinki. To be fair, much of the tram network is on major streets that may even become quite congested. Most of it is now on concrete slab, but some areas remain where it is just laid on the ballast in the old school way, but even then the track bed is covered with sand. I guess that makes easy cleaning too. I wouldn't mind about the east German style railroad track but it would be a trash magnet.

But yes, the emergency vehicle argument is getting ridiculous. Like this Bridge we may have, the foamers have spotted from the project plans that it too would have the track bed in concrete and with grooved rails. It makes no sense (or at least, there would be like one fire truck or ambulance for every 100 joyriders) and may inflict unnecessary speed limits to the bridge, as you can't have guard rails.

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>>979956
I found this.

http://urban-trans.net/cz/photo/3163

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>>980771

>>980771

what is that car there?
inb4 >>/o/

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Nice tram.

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Gold Coast, Australia.

Bombardier Flexity 2.

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MTV-82 in Moscow, Russia.

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>>972274
Well these snow-sweepers (4 in toatal remaining) are based on cars delivered in 1928-29.

Heavily modified of course, and the may have their motors, controllers and resistor banks taken from cars from the 40-50s.

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Mount Adams Incline. Cincinnati, Ohio.

>>979717
I herd you have a lot of problema with this tram, we have the same manufacurer of trams in Gothenburg Sweden and they are rusting like shit and falling apart

>>982453
Gothenburg Sweden signed a contract with Bombardier but the shitfucks at Skoda appealed agains this because Europe has a law that allow this stuff to happen. Now we have to wait a year because of a shit law from a shit union made a shit company delaying the delivery 2 fucking years!

>>976047
Mississauga is a metrolinx line therefore more than likely it's using flexitys

>>986843
You know the first contract was thanks to the EU to begin with, right?

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Krakow, Poland.

Pope Tram. (Pesa Krakowiak)

>>987053
The last time I visited Kraków about 4 years ago, they only had a bunch of really old trams moving around. This must be a fairly new addition to the rolling stock, correct?

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Helsinki, Funland

Swedish built ASEA electric tram from 1909 with Hietalahden telakka 1919 open air trailer

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>>988220

>>988203
Are you sure? I visited Krakow in 2010 and they already got lots of Bombardiers back then. I think it was one of the best maintained tram systems in Poland back then (and still is).

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>>988203
Yes, the Pesa Krakowiaks entered service in 2015. They are the longest trams in Poland, at 43 meters.

Here's one in the typical blue livery on the Estakada Lipska-Wielicka.

>>988270
>>988409
To be fair, I didn't ride any of them because I was terrified of public transit back then, especially in foreign countries. But the ones I saw driving around looked to be at least fifteen years old.

>>988719
Omg lol

>>988740
what

>>988719
>15 years
>old

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>>988844
Nice full house.
The only reference I have were pic related from my hometown, the M8D from 1994. The trams in Kraków looked like they were older than those.

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>>989172
Kraków indeed has N-type lightrail cars.

old london double decker tram

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>>989566
forgot pic

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>>989566
modern london tram , only runs in certain parts of east london

>>989568
>Croydon
>East London

You were close?

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Miskolc, Hungary here.

FVV CSM4, a not-so-popular tram made in Hungary, compatible for two-way traffic. Was the main tram type under the Socialist era, not in service since 2004, but the tram on pic is preserved for heritage service.

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FVV CSM2, same manufactury as the previous one, but only one-way traffic compatible, and a bit older. This beauty was stopped in 1988/89, since then it's a heritage tram.

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Tatra KT8D5. Half of the original stock was from Kosice, half from Most(CZ) if I'm correct. Came here in 1989-90, and was the main tram type here for two decades. Last one retired in 2015, some of them kept for future maintenance work/if there isn't enough new tram. But there were some that were sold to Prague, to a museum.

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SGP E1. Originally from Vienna, they came in 2004 to finally switch the FVV CSM4s. Only compatible for one-way traffic, therefore it was used only on the 2nd line. Stopped around 2014 or 15, now they're sold as scrap metal or like a statue.

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And our current beauty, the Skoda 26T. The first one arrived here in 2013, now they're operating the whole system. Convenient, quiet and good-looking.

>>989635
>>989636

That "trumpet" connector... Did these trams also pull old two axle trailers by any chance?

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>>989670
I don't think so.

Something I forgot: this tram had a wooden chassis until the '950-s, when it was renovated with this steel chassis. It came to Miskolc from Budapest, and did the maintenance work until around ten years ago. Sadly, it is stopped now, and as far as I know, she is not in a good condition anymore.

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Yesterday, a chartered tram in Düsseldorf made a three-hour excursion trip for Pokemon Go players.

Additional info: the 77 guests each paid 8 EUR.

>>989906
jesus fuck

>>989906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1qSvY2ex5A

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Mendoza, Argentina.

Siemens–Duewag U2 originally from San Diego, California.

>>974610
Seriously?

I thought you guys were still in the dark ages with Flint.

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Bremen, Germany.

AEG GT8N.

>>994595
What is living in Bremen like?
How is the tram system when compared to a Stadtbahn?

>>994595
fuck the tiny bit of ground clearance on that thing is sexy

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New Orleans, Louisiana.

Perley A. Thomas Car Works 900 Series.

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Santos, Brazil.

TTrans/Vossloh Tramlink.

>>998086
Looks like eastern Germany

>>996776
kawaii desu~

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>>976493
>>976540

I'm gonna keep shilling for my hometown here >>996776 and point out that you don't get older cars in revenue service (in the US) than the St. Charles streetcar line. The 900 series were built from 1917 to 1922.

In addition, car #29 was built sometime between 1896 and 1911, though it was retired from passenger service in the 1960s and today is used for track maintenance.

>>998147
You betcha.

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Budapest, Hungary.

>>989635
>>989636
>>989895
Very cool, thanks for sharing.

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CLRVs in Boston.

The sign on the windshield says "All Stops Except Kenmore". The CLRV can't serve island platforms, hence the sign.

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Dunno anything about trams really,but heres the workhorse of The Hague,Netherlands.

Its probably,almost certainly nostalgia but I like these a lot more than the newer ones.

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San Francisco's Municipal Railway has assembled one of the most diverse collections of vintage streetcars, trolleys, and trams in transit service anywhere. Up to 20 of these vintage vehicles carry passengers along Market Street and The Embarcadero every day. Click on a streecar image to learn about that car.

Pic related No 130 was built in 1914, still operational today.

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Pittsburgh's underutilized and unloved tram lines including underground stations.

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>>999192

>>999148
When I was in San Francisco I only saw PCCs and Milan Peter Witts running, none of the other cars. PCCs are based af tho

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>In the tunnel

>CKD T6A2SF #2054 and Skoda 27Tr troleybus in the tunnel under the National Palace of Culture in Sofia.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rivo23/24380118083/

>>1000873
nice

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Prototype LRV for the Eglinton Crosstown and Waterloo ION.

Literally over a year late.

>>989637
>>1000873
I love these CKD trams.

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>>989637
Kosmodisk :D

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LM-99AV multi-track drifting in Moscow.

*LM-99AE/ЛM-99AЭ

>>1002269
absolute madman

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i love the old livery on the warsaw trams

>>1004052
>>1004049
>>1004047
Warsaw livery always looked like some service tram livery to me.

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The Cincinnati Streetcar, now called the Cincinnati Bell Connector began operations today.

CAF Urbos 3s are used.

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>>969646
the MAX

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>>1004185
new model

>>1004132
Why is it called the bellend connector?

>>1004185
>bigass LRT through the middle of downtown
I'm quite ok with this.

>>1004426
Cincinnati Bell bought the naming rights for 10 years.

>>1004132
Is it actually useful or just another of the US meme streetcars? (See Washington d.c. for the reference)

>>1004505
The route is laid out like a figure 8 and is 3.6 miles long (about 1.8 miles in one direction). Furthermore, it doesn't have its own right-of-way.

I'd say it's a "streetcuck".

>>1004549
So it's as useful as a rollercoaster in Disneyland. Just it's not a rollercoaster and it's not in Disneyland.

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This piece of shit is more than 40 years old and still runs.

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>>1004902
This piece of shit is 87 years old and still runs.

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Picture of tram of route 16 in melbourne at the terminus in kew. It has a track which connects to tracks on Whitehorse Rd and route 109

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>>972274
Lisbon, Portugal

>>972304
I've been to Milan a few times and I see a few of these beauties every time. And I regret not riding them then, as I always took the subway.

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The first streetcar for Detroit's QLINE (formerly M-1 Rail) has been delivered.

The rolling stock is built by Brookville Equipment Corporation. The line is expected to open in 2017.

>>1004911
D I A M O N D S
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>>1006197
Is the realization of the light rail lines that were supposed to radiate from the downtown Detroit people mover?

>>1006197
It looks so bulky. Like a 1990 fisherprice toy

>>1005111
what's the name of that yellow beast on the right?

>>1006197
Teacucks in Michigan have been getting assblasted about this project for years now. Glad to see it actually got done without being cancelled.

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In the state of Florida, there is one historic (pre-1960) streetcar that still runs, and it's on the TECO line in Tampa. Here it is taking a nap with its blanket.

The line mainly uses historic Birney replica streetcars and the line is not very long, but it's better than nothing.

>>998706
>St. Charles streetcar line
That line is also the oldest operating tram line in the world (1835).

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>>1007364
Here's the TECO Line's typical rolling stock rolling through the historic part of the city, where the cigar industry was king way back when.

Another fun fact, that gated courtyard on the right is owned by the government of Cuba (I'm pretty sure they've owned it before Castro took power).

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San Diego getting a 17.6km light rail extension
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/n-america/single-view/view/san-diego-light-rail-extension-receives-1bn-of-federal-funding.html

>>992807
The Frankfurt U-Bahn used to operate those babies from 1968 untill a few years ago.

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Utsunomiya, a city around 100 km north of Tokyo has just finalized its plans to build a LRT line after much debate and planning. The first phase will be 14.6 km long with 19 stations starting from JR Utsunomiya Station and ending at Honda Japan's R&D Proving Ground east of the city with a service frequency of 6 min during peak periods and 10 min during off-peak periods. Construction will cost at around 46 billion Yen and begin by the end of this year, the projected completion date at around December 2019.

>>1010914
Is that a Düwag?

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Bohumín interurban+urban narrow gauge system, dismantled in 1973. The car on the left was produced in 1909 in Kopřivnice and served to the very end.

>>1010914
I love how the lamp coincides with where the trolleypole meets the wire. It looks as if it were sparking.

>>970527
Has that red car hit the tram? If not, it looks like it's about to

>>1012208
It obviously has

>>1012067
Yes, it's a Düwag-GT6 880.

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A rendering of the new CAF Urbos 100s for Amsterdam. The first one is expected to arrive sometime in 2019.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/europe/single-view/view/caf-selected-for-amsterdam-tram-order.html

(In Dutch.)
http://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/zo-gaan-de-nieuwe-trams-van-gvb-er-uitzien~a4386823/

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>>971507
Seattle also

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>>1014643

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>>1014670

>>979952
Some of those trams experienced the atomic bomb in Hiroshima are still in use today.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/被爆電車

>>971507
Does this count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keihan_Keishin_Line

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It's official, Gothenurg will get new trams delivered by Bombardier & Vossloh Kiepe, they are fucking beatiful

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Metro running on streetcar line

>>1017264
>now you can get physically assaulted by västtrafik ticket inspector hooligans in a slightly more luxurious setting
Lucky us.

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>>976540
Nagasaki Tram #168. Made in 1911. In recent years it's providing regular passenger service for around 3 days per years.

>>1017264
>delivered by Bombardier
have fun getting them next century

New Bombardier Flexity trams for Vienna.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juig8Z_tq30

>>1017264
>Ordering your rolling stock from a meme company

Apperently Toronto, New York and London have taught the world nothing about Bombardier

>>1017264
High five, it is official we got also new trams from Bombardier at the end of 2018 there will be new Trams on the streets of vienna.

>>1015724
I like the pattern of the rails in this picture.
>>1017295
This pleases my autism
>>1017264
>>1017382
My city's trams are mostly made by Vossloh & Kiepe, and they're pretty good.

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I am synesthetic to a certain degree. Is there any tram or metro network in the world with a number/color scheme like this or similar to this?

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The "Dead Line" at Russel Carhouse here in Toronto. Slowly but surely our CLRV and ALRV fleet are going to be scraped. I suspect these ones fell victim to "Part Cannibalizing" for the other active CLRV's.

>>1018661
On the NYC subways, the 3 line is red and the 5 line is green. Unfortunately the rest don't line up.

>>1018694
I didn't even know the NYC subway had numbers. I thought it was letters

>>1018718
It's both.

>>1018661
All three metro lines in Prague have the same colors as the first three lines in your picture in the same order. And the planned fourth line is supposed to be blue as well.

>>1019332
Awesome, thanks

>>1019332
B-but... those are indicated by letters. Letters have different colors!

>>1018689
They'd be perfect for buying a small piece of land in the city and opening a Toronto themed diner

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Saint-Étienne, France.

A proposal to extend line 3 north from its terminus at Gare de Châteaucreux to Terrasse.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/urban/single-view/view/public-inquiry-for-line-3-extension-in-saint-etienne.html

>>1021407
>all the new stops called Nouvelle

that will be very confusing for passangers

>>1021412
:^)

>>1018689
Any chance of preserving these or the city selling them to private interests? How much would something like that go for per unit?

>>1021412
top kek

>>1021416
Apparently some CLRV's will be auctioned off to museums and collections but the majority will be sent to the scrap yard. I would assume the TTC will hold on to one for heritage runs like the PCC and Witt but they haven't said anything on that. The ALRV's however to my knowledge will be scrapped entirely with no preservation. The CLRV's are expected to hang around until 2024 thanks to Bombardier Canada being trash.

Timelapse from one of the Prague's tram junctions. Not really well done but at least you can see how busy it is even after rush hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bOw3iimsOU

>>1021899
that is fucking impressive
here in texas we can't even synchronize stop lights

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An article about the streetcar in Brooklyn and Queens:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/nyregion/city-unveils-possible-routes-for-streetcar-in-brooklyn-and-queens.html?_r=0

Here's a PDF about the streetcar (including proposed alignments):

https://www.nycedc.com/sites/default/files/filemanager/11.01.16_BQX_Outreach_Deck.pdf

>Berry Street in Williamsburg, for example, could become a “transitway” used primarily by streetcars and pedestrians, [...] The road would be closed to most vehicles with some street parking allowed, [...]

>[...] city officials are considering moving the line farther from the waterfront than originally imagined in some locations.

>>1023361
I think NYC would benefit from more pedestrian malls, but this plan seems like a bad idea. Improving the BRT and trains should take priority over creating something designed to attract wealthy people to live near the Queens waterfront. Extending the 6 to Co-op City and expanding the F to Nassau are just two of the things de Blasio would do better focusing on. Also, it will be unnecessarily expensive since it will require two bridges.

>>1023398
>BRT

That works only in 3rd world countries

>>1023408
How will Tokyo BRT plan turn out?

>>1023398
There is a pedestrian mall on 165 Street in Jamaica where the Macy's used to be. It's kind of ghettoey but it's a huge retail draw.

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Krakow, Poland

>>1023757
Why do the tracks do that

>>1023957
Narrow bridges

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Tampere, Finland has approved to build their tram line. Construction will begin next year.

The trams will be supplied by Transtech, a subsidiary of Škoda.

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Transtech has also been chosen to supply vehicles for the Raide-Jokeri line in Helsinki and Espoo, Finland.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/light-rail/transtech-lrvs-chosen-for-helsinki-espoo-lrt.html?channel=526

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oh sweet lord jesus

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Can someone please explain to me why almost all tram drivers and conductors in Ukraine are female?

>>1024942
It's a common thing in the ex-USSR. Long ago, it was part of the propaganda (women are capable to do everything, so they even can drive tractors, harvesters, trolleybuses, trams, etc.) Now this remained with trolleybuses and trams.

>>1024942
I'd be more interested why tram systems in Ukraine and Russia are almost always in such terrible condition. I've seen worse only in Egypt and India and DPRK

>>1024942
The same in Czech Republic...I guess that aprox. half of the drivers are female.

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>>1024988
Took this picture two years ago in Kiev. Drove slower than I could walk, had the ride comfort of a rodeo bull and smelled of boiled cabbage. Was still quite an experience though

>>1024964
>>1024999
Explains it. I guess. thanks!

>>1025011
Keep in mind that Kiev is still top-notch for UA standards. Also Tatra trams (as the one in your picture) produced in Czechoslovakia are pretty well made and can survive for decades without much care. In the USSR, mainly in the smaller systems, there were also these Latvian RVZ and Russian KTM cars which were all ancient and rusty the day they came out of the factory.

>>1025032
I have only been to Lviv and Kiev in the UA.
In contrast to Kiev, the Tatras of Lviv were all beautifully restored with shiny chrome and wooden details and everything. Quite a treat.
Lviv also runs some boring newer trams. Wiki tells me they are Electron T5L64.

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>>1025043
Kiev runs Electrons too now. Lviv just got more of them delivered like last week. Until then there had been only one Electron. Lviv system is pretty atmospheric and comfy, still poor, though.
I've heard that the best functioning tram system in Ukraine is in Vinnytsa. It's not a very large system for the city of its size but supposedly they got trams and tracks in rather OK condition.

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>>1025045
Cute, those are ex-zurich Mirage trams, even retaining their old livery. They're like 40 or 50 years old but seem to be in great shape.

>>1025056
Yep, exactly. 50 year old trams that were good serviced are still a great improvement compared to 20 year old scraps that never ever seen just a new livery.

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>>1024941
So this is really becoming reality, then?

t. Finland.

Three big tramway projects approved this year, can't be but happy.

This is Tampere tram. As reported in this thread already, it got yeasterday approved by the city council, so the building will start and rolling stock will be ordered in 2017. Lenght in total is 21 km and it will need 30ish 35 m long (modular, so extendable) vehicles.

If we are fully precise, only the portion in the east, where the blue line ends got approved yesterday. The western strech will be approved in the future due budget and routing disputes, but the goal is that the wester portion will be built right after the works start to be done on the eastern portin.

As said, the precise routing in the western portion has been debated for the whole lenght of the project. It's really murky, I don't want to comment any further. Another issue was that the absolutely final price of 250 m€ was deemed simply too little. This was few months before the decision. Also for this summer Helsinki metro delays and budget overruns have been a hot topic. Meaning critics have had topics and sources.

In this environment, getting the eastern sections approved and decide later on the western part (already dubbed "west tram" after Helsinki's "west metro") later was a big win; 41 - 25, 1 empty.

>>1024909
>>1024941
This is gettting me really excited. Finally some more good tram systems for the Nordic bros.
>>1024942
I live in Germany and roughly half the Stadtbahn drivers of my city are female. They are from many different age groups too. I think bus drivers and train drivers are mostly male, but there are women among those, too.
>>1025011
Looks like the traditional Stalinist/planned economy approach to building stuff. Make it as ugly and unpleasant as possible, but make it last and work with no real care for a century.

>>1025078
There is always a huge amount of dispute going on with large transport projects. We had a public vote a few years back that failed by only a few percent. If it had been succesful, my city would have gotten a full new tram line in addition to the existing four, connecting to two boroughs of the city that are currently only accessible by bus.
So I'm really happy for you that it looks like there's things getting done.

>>1025264
>Make it as ugly and unpleasant as possible
That approach kinda came later in like 80's. Until then commies and stalinists had a special boner for kitschy and pompous things.

>make it last and work for a century
That's why few decades old systems in Russia are falling apart. Nah, when the technology is shit, it won't work not even for half a century.

>>972789
Yep, you are pretty much 100% right. Loops became standard when trailers became standard.

NEW THREAD

>>1025319
>>1025319
>>1025319

NEW THREAD

y

>>1025265
>We had a public vote a few years back that failed by only a few percent. If it had been succesful, my city would have gotten a full new tram line in addition to the existing four, connecting to two boroughs of the city that are currently only accessible by bus.
City please?

>>1025264
Bus drivers (and cab drivers) are black males. About the only job the somalis can keep, it seems.

In trams you get nice caucasion drivers because the driver courses get like hundred times more applications as there are opening. This is because the only formal qualification is an European B class driver's license.

Trains is the vehicle of choise because there the demographics are strongly older white males. This is because when the locomotives switched to single man operation, no new drivers were trained for a decade.

t. Finland

>>1025269
>Nah, when the technology is shit, it won't work not even for half a century.

Twenty years is about the time a tram system can accumulate maintenace debt when the budget is tightened to only essential repairs. Depends a little.