Maritime General

>>924113
Aviator with a question for you mariner types: When you come in to port, is there some sort of controlling agency, like an ATC, that you need to talk to before getting a berth?

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>>924116
There's a harbor master but I don't know much besides that

>>924116
Berths are already decided long before you get there. Typically, the company that owns the ship will contract with a ship's agent. This person is a local and arranges berth assignments with the port, port fees and tariffs, trash disposal, transportation for crew arriving and departing, basically anything the ship needs.

You're probably thinking of something more like a VTS (Vessel Traffic Service). Some ports (and congested waterways) have these, some don't. They basically keep track of who's coming an going, where their going, what they're carrying, etc. If you're in an area with VTC, you'll typically have several check-in points, though they're probably watching you visually or with radar as well. They sometimes actually do provide traffic control, such as asking a ship to slow down or speed up, or to delay getting underway to avoid bad traffic situations (like two large ships meeting in a tight turn). They may also direct a ship to pass another on a certain side, or to queue behind another waiting for a pilot, but being more hands on is fairly rare.

Most large ships are required to take a harbor pilot coming into port, and these guys typically do the very hands on stuff as far as raring passage agreements and usually have the conn in restricted waters. They are in a much better position to make calls since they're physically on most all the ships they care about, and work together daily.

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>>924113
>WANA BHUM?
top eke

>>924134
Thanks for the information!

>>924134
So, the busier the port, the more liable you are to talk to someone, and most arrivals for the big guys are chartered?

Sounds an awful lot like an airport, only without the tie-down free for all at the general aviation section.

>>924936
You could say that. It's still kind of hit or miss though.

For pleasure craft at public piers it's first-first-come first-served, but dock space is very valuable, especially at a commercial pier.

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>>924113
I support this thread.

Enjoy this fresh OC.

>>925127
You a longshoreman?

>>924113
>I'm tired of looking at the El Faro

Too bad nerd, it's back in the news.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/19/doomed-cargo-ships-second-mate-warned-captain-about-impending-storm.html

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>>925267
Sure am.

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I'm proud to contribute to one of the few non faggot threads on /n/.

This is an auto ship. I worked it yesterday. We discharged over 3000 cars. This is us standing by while the ramp gets set up.

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>>925991
>391x220

Not sure how that happened.

>>925430
What's the difference between a longshoreman and a stevedore?

>>926044
Nothing other than the fact that stevedore is gender neutral. But the females on the job call themselves longshoremen or longies. Hardly anyone here says stevedore. In yurop, "docker" is the more commonly used noun.

>>925127
>Vincent Thomas Bridge
>I drive on it EVERYDAY

Man, I can't get away from it even on 4chan.

>>926065
Hope youre not one of the faggots that thinks it's cool to go 40 in the left lane.

>>924113
My new wallpapper

Wish I could have gone to a maritime school, so I could work on a cargo ship. All I want to do is travel and work.

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Check out this bigass spider that was on a can that came off the ship. I made sure that bastard was still on it when the can got decked.

>>925992
how long did it take?

>>926479
About 6 hours, which is really good for that many moves. I've worked plenty of auto ships with less moves that took longer to finish.

>>926506
is most of it dependent on the design of the ship? or of the crew?

>>926860
It's all about the bosses and "key hold men" that "break out" the cars and set up how we exit the ship. Also, having good drivers is important. One accident/collision will jam up the process. Usually if there's an accident, we get punished by being forced to take a 30 minute break in the afternoon. The main thing is getting the cars broken out. Sometimes you'll get in a lexus and you cant figure out how to disengage the parking break cause its button hidden among dozens of other buttons. So it's important that the bosses and key hold men know how to get the cars moving.

Most of these auto ships have the same layout. They'll have two ramps, one for cars coming off and one for vans bringing drivers on.

>>926924
How common are accidents? I assume they're insured as well?

>>926932
>How common are accidents?
Hard to say. In my experience, I'd say 10% of the ships will have a car get scratched/dented. It used to be common to see people smoke clutches but hardly any cars are manuals these day.

>I assume they're insured as well?
How would I know? I just move cargo. I dont do paperwork.

>>926083
Seems like a shit way of life to me. I almost enlisted in the navy til I watched a video about life on a ship. I went in the air force instead.

>>927273
Life on a Navy ship is objectively terrible. Like plenty of other areas in the military a whole lot if is dedicated to making you miserable.

That said, merchant ships are almost nothing like navy ships from design to operation.

But life at sea certainly isn't for everyone.

>>927267
Hey, longie-anon, got any pics of the msc benjamin franklin?

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>>927288
>That said, merchant ships are almost nothing like navy ships from design to operation.

To me, in both cases youre surrounded by nothing but metal and the ocean. Theres limited internet, you mostly read books, play cards to pass the time. You live where you work for days/weeks at a time. I couldnt do it.

>>927299
None of my own because I've been lucky enough to avoid having to work that giant bitch, but these were posted on facebook.

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>>924787
There is a bigger ship now if I recall correctly.

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https://vimeo.com/41446533

Documentary on Merchant Marines.

>>927317
>Merchant Marines

Triggered.

It's "Merchant Mariners"

>>927310
For me there's a sense of adventure. You're going out where there's nothing except what you bring with you. I essentially have an office with an incredible view, and I personally get to direct the ship.

My favorite part is visiting new ports, seeing things that most people never will, or places you've only ever heard about in passing.

And there's something therapeutic about being away from the hustle and bustle of modern life. Truly unplugged and almost unreachable. I miss it when I'm ashore.

>>927331
>whats your job?
>rank
>how long have you been doing it
>how did you get into it

>>926951
>It used to be common to see people smoke clutches
>Can't drive a car 1 km without destroying it
>Consider them 'people'
No.

>>927415
I don't know what one needs to do to instantly wreck a manual. Usually this sort of problems really manifest only on driving school cars, where the mishaps happen repeatedly.

The only time I've smoken a clutch was when I was working as a depot driver in a bus depot and tried to take off against the parking brake. Thankfully the mechanic hear my revving up and rushed to show me the one low pressure check valve that the other models didn't have. By that time, the air was thick with the tell-tale smell of burnt rubber. The bus rolled out fine, but I must have putten exta 100000 km on the poor clutch in 30 seconds.

>>927375
Navigator

USCG licensed Second Mate, unlimited, oceans

4 years professionally, 4 as a student

Went to a Maritime College.

Thought I wanted to join the Navy out of college and fly planes. Then I met the people I'd be competing against and decided I wasn't that motivated. Didn't really even have a clue how the maritime industry worked until I went to college. It's probably the closest you can get to a technical school and still get a real degree.

>>927420
How much am I going to hate myself for starting at the bottom?

>>927273
>>927288
I dunno. I've taken research vessels to my job in the Antarctic, and it seems like a life I would enjoy.

I've always enjoyed being part of a smaller crew, traveling, fixing shit. Maybe it would suck, I don't know. I just know that I'm not happy unless I'm moving.

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OP here, currently in my STCW class

>>928538
You're at Maritime Professional Training in Fort Lauderdale. You done fucked up. I took my FRB class in the same classroom. The cover to your handout gave it away.

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Aircraft carrier.

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"Covering up"

>>924113
How hard would it be to get a job on one of these?

>>928971
Getting all the required documents and certifications is a PITA. But it's pretty easily doable if you have the drive and are reasonably intellegent.

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>>928898

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>>928975
Any port in a storm ;)

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Ben Franklin the other day

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>>929046
Ferry for scale

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>>929047
Closeup

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>>928847
How did I fuck up by going with them? Everything so far seems pretty good

>>929046
>>929047
>>929048

Timelapse video from the bridge while it docks in Seattle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoWd_I_lTgE&feature=youtu.be

>>929046
>>929048
>>929064

Sweet.

>>929064
I dig all the vehicles scurrying about the dock as the ship gets close.

>>929047
>ferry for scale
comparing it to the other freighter in the background gives an impressive idea of scale

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www.maritimesales.com

does anyone else just look around at the boats for sale and imagine what you could do with them? or am I just 5?

>>929182
I'd buy the shit out of that

Longshore job opportunity in Portland

http://jobs.oregonlive.com/jobs/longshore-opportunity-port-of-portland-portland-oregon-97208-84659948-d

>>929182
not really, the thought of boat ownership does literally nothing for me. like I talk to people who dream of boat ownership and I'm like "there is something wrong with you". I talk to people who used to work on boats and I view them in about the same way as I view war refugees. probably some interesting stories but I'm not sure if it's too traumatic so I'd rather not bring it up. I talk to people who think joining the navy sounds cool and I think "well at least it's not ISIS"

I think boats are useful and all but the idea of having some personal life dream involving boats, let alone taking pleasure in being on board a boat, is beyond me. like, it's cool that there are people willing to work on them for money but to me it sounds about as appealing as working in a cattle slaughtering factory or in the city facility that converts everyone's excrement into something that's safe enough to dump into the bay. useful to society, sure, but not my idea of pleasure or even a highly esteemed job. more like riding past a horrible car wreck and thinking "better them than me".

t. a cyclist who happened to scroll past this thread

>>929490
What a pathetic faggot you are.

>>929492
This desu.

Bicyclists are the absolute worst. It'd be a great thing if it weren't for the insufferable people.

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sup faggets

>>929531
>>929532
>>929534
Silly boat get down from there you are a boat not a mountain goat.

>>929531
>>929532
>>929534
Well the cargo is safe.

>>929532

That'll buff right out...

>>929531
Ya fucked up senpai

>>929532
poor ship bent its bow boner

What harbor jobs are out there that don't require sleeping on a boat? I want the mariner dosh without the loss of gf.

I live in Baltimore if that helps.

>>929668
Deep sea is where the real money is at. But you might look into harbor tugs.

I'm lucky in that I work for the gubmint on a ship that hardly ever moves.

>>929531
Why did you drive that ship into a cliffside?

>>929672
The Iowa?

>>929683
kek

What do you think about the MUA merger?

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>tfw chinese new year aftermath

Just fuck my checking account up senpai

>>924116
Port control/ harbor master/ pilot

Depends on the port and ship.

>>930799
Should've lowered an FEU on him.

>>928975
>>928991
why the fuck is there a harrier there

>>931470
It slid off of the containers.

>>926142
dude sweet did you catch it? looks like a huntsman of some sort!

>>931830

> I made sure that bastard was still on it when the can got decked.

In other words, the spider was still o nthe container when the container got put in a pile of other cans. I aint tryin to get bit by some chinese spider.

>>929182
I definitely waste time looking at boats, dreaming of doing my own version of the life aquatic lol.

So I have a degree in geology but there are no jerbs... Would I be retarded to say fuck it and try to become a deckhand and work my way up from there?

Don't want to do a maritime academy, I've spent plenty of money I don't have as it is.


I don't care about money too much, I prefer a simple life and desu being on a ship for long periods of time with little internet would do me a lot of good.

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The only people who ride bikes to work on the docks are losers that got their driver's license revoked for driving drunk. If some dude showed up on a bike just cause he wanted to be a bikefag, we'd all freeze him out. Bikes are for pussies, and pussies aren't welcome on the waterfront.

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All other ports get fucked

>>932769
I can't wait till Panamax is finished...

>>932739
Go to the SIU website, god speed anon.

>>932929
Panamax is a class of ship, dummy.

>>933013
You know exactly what I mean, the Panama Canal Expansion Project.

Quick question: If one wants a career as a merchant mariner, what is better, deck or engine?

I feel like I could enjoy either path.

>>933857
Engine has better shoreside opportunities, plus people know what an engineer is (but really you'll be a glorified mechanic).

Deck has a generally easier job, a little more responsibility, you can eventually be captain, and the more romantic traditional seamanship skills.

It really comes down to preference. The few people I know who have both licenses sail or have sailed a good deal of time as both, so either is obviously worthwhile.

Do you have any more specific questions?

>>934003
tfw no current openings for OS

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>>927273
>>927288
>>927310
>>927331
>>934003

Different anon here. I have an intended Plan C for when every other career path fails, to try to work on a ship. However, it seems risky to invest all that time and effort for a lifestyle that might not suit me at all. I have heard that sleep is an issue at sea? I have worked nights for the past 8 years and would prefer not to expereience the intense life-fuckery that shitty sleep causes any more.
Does it depend on the type of job you do on a ship?

>>935786
>Does it depend on the type of job you do on a ship?
I imagine that largely depends on the type of person.
I could love working deck, and you could hate it.

>>935786
It does depend on your job (which can depend on the vessel and it's operations).
If you're on watches, you'll be working two 4-hour shifts per day, eight hours apart. This means, generally speaking, no more than 7 hours unbroken sleep per night and a nap in the day. This is 7 days a week btw.
If you're on daywork only, it's not a problem.

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>>936054
Ah, shit.
As i feared. The documentary some guy posted mentioned "watch" and the 2 4 hour shifts.
Perhaps the sea is not for me then.

>>936126
>Complaining about working 8 hours a day.
Maybe success isn't for you.

>>936159
It's not about the hours. I've had enough with shit sleep. Never again. I envy you guys who don't find this a problem.

>>934003
>People know what an engineer is
It seems that they don't, as evidenced by your post.

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The only people who ride bikes to work on the docks are losers that got their license taken away for driving drunk. Also, if youre a longshoreman and you dont back your vehicle in, youre a faggot.

How bad is the mal de debarquement after you lads get off a ship after months at sea?

>>936822
I've never had it too bad. Maybe for a day or two, when i girst started sailing. Doesn't seem to happen much anymore.

I'd mostly notice it when forced to stand pretty still, like to pee.

>>936812

>get job out of dispatch hall
>have to haul ass to Hanjin
>FROM Wilmington
>ON A KEKSTER BICYCLE

How the fuck does this work?

>>924134
>Most large ships are required to take a harbor pilot coming into port, and these guys typically do the very hands on stuff as far as raring passage agreements and usually have the conn in restricted waters.
>usually have the conn in restricted waters.

This is NOT true. The pilot will never have the conn (the Suez canal being the only exception due to a local law).
While the Pilot may very well be telling your helmsman what to steer the Master (or officer or whoever) STILL has the conn and is still responsible for the safe navigation of the ship. So he is checking that every order the Pilot gives is safe to execute. And ensuring that he actually meant starboard when he said it and not port eg.

>>935786
Generally engine crew work something like 8-17 where a navigator does 4 on 8 off at sea and 6 on 6 off in port.
Deck crew do maybe 6 hours of deck work and 4 hours lookout duty sometime during the night.

>>936198
Please, tell me how an engineer is not basically a glorified mechanic doing whatever scheduled maintenance is listed on his computer for that day.

>>937205
They only pick up jobs at trapac/china/yang ming

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Here's a Cape-class patrol boat because I'm drunk and this is the boat thread.

Isn't it pretty? It even has a gender-segregated brig to keep things mustahabb.

>>937334
Sexy.

>>937231
>An engineer is a practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical, societal and commercial problems. Engineers design materials, structures, and systems while considering the limitations imposed by practicality, regulation, safety, and cost.[1][2] The word engineer is derived from the Latin words ingeniare ("to contrive, devise") and ingenium ("cleverness").[3][4]

>The work of engineers forms the link between scientific discoveries and their subsequent applications to human needs and quality of life.[1]

>>937223
Get off your high horse. If he's feeding the helmsman commands and the master is on the bridge wing on his cellphone, the Pilot has the conn.

The whole "he never has the conn" is just a litigation-driven cop out.

Yes, the master technically should have the con, but de facto, he often, even primarily does not. In practice, the old man's job is to keep the pilot from screwing up, not the other way around.

>>937625
Get off YOUR high horse mister pilot. As per the law the OOW (most likely the Captain under pilotage) always has the con. Only in the suez he doesn't.

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Bored af Third Mate, this adorable piece of shits my current gig

>>937732
minesweeper?

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>>937757
>USNS Navajo (T-ATF-169) is a United States Navy Powhatan-class fleet ocean tug in service since 1980.

>On 28 July 2012 the ship was conducting training near the entrance to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii when a parted mooring line caused the ship to dump 8,000 pounds of anchor, chain, and heavy rope on the ocean floor 150 feet below. The equipment was recovered on 9 August 2012.[1]

>>937774

Technically that was the Navy's fault, not the civmars. Also losing anchor is the least of this things worries desu

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>>937779
tell me MORE

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>>937431
>i know nothing about ships, the post

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ZIM is a kike line, and Stevedoring Services of America can all fuck themselves.

>>937781
Anchor handling of storage tanker?

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>>938450
I have no idea, i collect interesting or impressive sea-related pics i find. I'm this faggot >>935786

>>937781
>>938451
is this shooped?

>>938477
No.

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>>938486

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>>938477
i,ve posted some of these a while ago in some other thread. i'll try to post some others that i find interesting

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Dank OC coming through

>>938512
I don't know if that's awesome or terrifying


I'll call it both

>>939417
>Implying awe isn't a near synonym of terror

>>939416
so cozy

>>939416
Das Alameda right?

>>939563
>Das Alameda

I have no clue what that is.

>>939788
>not knowing the mythbusters home turf
son, i am disappoint

>>939793
Is english your second language?

What does "das" mean?

Think really hard before typing this time.

Starting maritime college in September.
Any chance a shipping company will take me on for a summer job this year?

>>939823
>implying >>939793 and >>939563 are the same anons
It's ebonics for 'that's.' I'm >>939793 but not >>939563

>>939835
It's the Port of Los Angeles, not Alameda. That's the Vincent Thomas Bridge.

>>939823
Depending on the context it can be 'that' in German.

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New cranes for LB 232 inbound

>>939830
As crew? About 0%. What school are you going to? I guarantee you'll get your fill in the next three summers. That said, it's not impossible, but the time and money it's going to cost you getting entry-level credentials will kill your summer.

As an intern in the office? Maybe, doesn't hurt to ask. Especially if you have an in with the company. Unfortunately at this point, you probably wouldn't know enough to be of much use, or to understand exactly what you're seeing behind-the-scenes.

>>939955
I'll be attending Willem Barentsz maritime institute in the Netherlands. I was hoping I could spend my summer working as crew, but from what I have gathered, most shipping companies only take people on who are students.

Okay /n I'm a student at a maritime academy in the United states and I'm shipping off with a company in a few weeks, but I haven't chosen which ship i want. I have narrowed my choices between an OSV, a few tugs and maybe a tanker. I think an OSV would be fuckin awesome but since it's in the Gulf and oil prices are down I don't know if that's the best choice to get a full experience with a lot of time on the bridge at sea. I think a tug would be cool, but the ones I'm looking at are ship assist mostly and I don't know if not going deep sea is a good idea. Advice? Thanks on advance

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>>940018
Get your tankerman PIC or TOAR.

>>937732
How are the tugs? ABs have told me they're great, others have cursed their very existence.

>>926062
Longshoreman is generally used in the States. Here in Europe stevedore is the term.

>>929490
as a 19-year old european who has been working offshore (support level, currently studying for operational level officer degree) since i was 15, that sounds like the stupidest fucking thing i ever heard.

srsly, war refugees? how fucked is being an american merchant sailor if that is the first thing that comes in your mind when you think about seamanship.

this aint like moby dick. its like aviation, but with dull work and long working periods.

>>927420
Out of high school, I was accepted to one of the Maritime Colleges, but backed out at the last minute to attend a different college. Many days I kick myself and think about how much I fucked up.

I will probably end up shipping out (right word?) as just a nobody just to see what it is like at the bottom end. I want to go out into the ocean, I always have, and I have no idea why I didn't go to the university.

>>937334
That may literally be the sexiest boat I've ever seen in my life. No kidding. I want to see it in real life, I want to touch it.

>>940735
Wrong. Do you even know the origin of the word stevedore? Look it up and get back to me.

>>941108
ive only ever heard people use the word "stevedore". are you british by any chance?
also
>The word stevedore originated in Portugal or Spain, and entered the English language through its use by sailors. It started as a phonetic spelling of estivador (Portuguese) or estibador (Catalan and Spanish), meaning a man who loads ships and stows cargo

>>927331
3rd/2nd officer? What company? UK cadet about to pass as either.

Nautical bump

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This is called a niggerhead.

>>942922
le edgy teenager found a fun fact

It's called a bollard.

>>942922
in french it's called a "bitte" which pronounce exactly like "bite" which means dick. But i'm still not seeing your point.

Though there is no etymological link between these two french words.

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>>942944
In the English-speaking world, these are bitts. Construction is somewhat different, but the main differentiator being that bitts are on the vessel, bollards are on the pier.

in Colombo right now, back to ship in an hour

Some cheeky cunt waiter tried to double my bill because I payed in usd

>>943093
Question: Is there a legitimate reason to use the bitts in this way, or is this as big a fuck-up as I think it is?

>>943414
It's shitty and half-assed but it happens. We call it "stove piping". Useful for us because you can adjust lines individually. We've had three lines on the same set of bitts (also poor practice), and trying to adjust that shit is a real pain.

It works as is, those lines will part before they slip significantly. And honestly I'd rather they slip, they have very little stretch and will shock load if given the chance.

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OP here, applied at Tropical.
Lets see where it goes.

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Why no sexy Norwegian ship designs?

X-bow by Ulstein

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VS485 mk3 by Wärtsilä, former Vik Sandvik.

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Salt 301 by Salt, new company by founders of Vik Sandvik.

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STX OSV AH 12 CD, by STX, think STX is Vard Fincantieri now.

397t Bollard pull.

VS4204 by Vik Sandvik

308t bollard pull on pure diesel-electric.
2x4,5MW on each two main propulsions in tandem configuration.

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>>943560
Fuck, the picture.

>>943544
i've never really understood the idea behind this hull design.
is it so waves can come over the hull and just kinda fall off or what?

>>943572
I'm no designer, so I really don't know, but from talking to captains on this type and other vessels, the x-bow takes waves head on really well, but they're awful when the weather is coming from the side. I've been to seatrials with both Polarcus Selma and Polarcus Samur, seismic vessels with x-bow-design, but not in bad weather so can't say I noticed anything special about it.

>>943573
it seems to be surging in popularity with OSV's, so it must be pretty good at something

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Juanita, salt 100 design.

Very interesting vessel, with Scana Volda contra-rotating propeller, shaft-in-shaft solution and permanent magnet motors, allowing the elimination of a reduction gearbox.

>>943576
http://gcaptain.com/j-j-uglands-new-psv-unique-propulsion-system/

>>943577
That does sound interesting. I'd be interested to see how efficient that that is compared to a slow speed diesel.

Why have a "shaft" if it doesn't spin? Can't you just integrate the trust bearing into the hull?

>>943576
I assume that having the two shafts be independent is to avoid the complexity of physically linking them together, and not because there is some benefit to spinning contra-rotating props at different speeds?

>>943593
A slow turning diesel will not be efficient on a psv, with its highly varying load. For a tanker or similar ships where 95% of its sailing is done at nominal power on the engines, a diesel-mechanic solution is optimal. A PSV needs several smaller engines, and run as many as is needed at all time, to keep load up. A diesel at low load is an unhappy diesel. Of course, within the 500m zone of rigs most vessels run all engines, with split bustie.

The contra rotating propellers run at identical speeds, but are different sized. Big one was 3 or 3.5MW I think, the smaller one 2.4MW. All based on memory. I'm no fluid mechanics engineer, but I think a contra rotating propeller is more efficient compared to a normal propeller. Also "torque steer" is further eliminated, though this effect is eliminated almost completely I think by having main propellers always turn opposite each other. By using slow turning PM motors the need for a gearbox reduction is gone, and some loss is saved there.

Volvo Penta duoprop is also contra rotating, for daycruisers etc.
http://www.volvopenta.com/volvopenta/na/en-us/marine_leisure_engines/drives/dph_duoprop/the_benefits_of_duoprop/Pages/the_benefits_of_duoprop.aspx

I'll post another interesting vessel next.

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Viking Queen, a true hybrid psv. Equipped with battery packs that can deliver power faster than diesels can respond safely, and reducing the variation of loads on the diesels.
This vessel is also LNG powered with dualfuel engines.

http://www.eidesvik.no/news-archive/viking-queen-installation-of-energy-storage-system-article645-299.html

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No subs yet?
We need subs, desu

>>943657
oh ok so T B H is replaced with desu

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>>943657
Subs are a /k/ thing and to be honest has been word filtered for like a month now.

This is the Ever Leading.

>>944171
Evergreen ran out of good names long ago. I knew that when I saw the Ever Diadem.

>>944190
Yup. Not only is there an Ever Leading, but there's also an Ever Leader.

>>944447
What happened to naming ships after girls?

Fuck this gay corporate earth.

>>944494
The only female ships I see are named after the women of the Maersk family: Emma Maersk, Gerda Maersk... that's all I can think of.

Then again sometimes I'll work a china shipping ship called the xie yu zin or some shit. For all I know thats a lady's name.

>>944494
Because men are easier to work with ;^)

>>944532
They used to all be like that, or at least a much larger percentage.

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Worked this bitch last night

how good is customs and immigration control at ports compared to airports?

you can buy passage on cargo ships. so what keeps people from just entering a country on a oil tanker or container ship and avoiding immigration?

>>931470
During the Falklands war, a bunch of British merchant ships were requisitioned as makeshift aircraft carriers for helicopters and harriers.

http://sometimes-interesting.com/2013/07/24/largest-ship-graveyard-in-the-world-nouadhibou-mauritania/

>>945433
YOU CANNOT BUY "JUST BUY PASSAGE" ON A CARGO SHIP.

Are you the guy from /trv/?

I challenge you, just walk up to a ship and ask them how much it would cost to carry you somewhere.

Once you realize ports are secure areas, and they won't let you in, then you might begin to grasp what you're saying.

Yes, you can go to a website and book a cruise on specific cargo ships, but there is a lot going on behind the scenes, and it's a complex process, not something you're going to do same-day.

Ships clear customs each time they stop in a new country. The ship will provide a crew list to the agent before the ship ever arrives, so they know who's coming. If a crewmember is departing the ship in a particular port, they'll be taken by the ship’s agent to immigration, where they'll be stamped into the country.

Mariners typically are given shore passes or some sort of special permission to leave the port by the host gevernment. This may come with a restriction to stay within a certain radius of the port. This is a very special thing just for mariners.

>>938512
I love this

>>945523
>yfw robits are going to take yer jerbs

>>945538
Good thing I'm an "engineer".

>>945481
This is true, but that particular ship wasn't one of them.

Harrier had a rookie pilot who went low on fuel and couldn't find his way back home....he almost had the landing, too, but I think one of his gears collapsed. The ship's captain claimed it as salvage and sold it back to the RAF for a significant fee, cheeky bugger

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I don't like when this thread falls passed page 5.

Daily reminder that bikes are for homos.

>>929182

If I am correct that used to be a supply boat on an island called bequai in StVincent and the grenadines.

I have stood on that and I am currently 10 miles from it. I would love to buy it but it is up in the hundreds of thousands. Got no business plan to make back that money so loans are out of the question

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Would you fine maritime gents ever set sail on the good ship Boaty McBoatface?

>>946812
They should add a big exclamation point si it can be "SCIENCE!"

>>927420
deadass thread but I hate school, love boats, is getting into MM a good idea? Like the 6 months away kinda thing on a cargo ship? Worst case scenerio i lose 6 months of my life and make $$$

>>926070
39 homo

>>946812
Fuck yeah I would. I became a geophysicist cause I wanted to go out on research ships and do science!

>tfw should have been an oceanographer or ocean engineer

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"Replace hatch clerks with computers" they said. "It'll be better" they said.

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On the ferry to Bremerton right now. I missed Puget Sound so much living in corn country.

>>948449
The PacNW looks so comfy.

PSA: El Faro's data recorder has been found
http://m.wokv.com/news/news/local/el-faro-voyage-data-recorder-has-been-found/nrCHX/

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I wish these bike losers would keep their faggot bike discussion to one thread

>>948815
its full of hipsters f@m

>>948994
Are there going to be any videos of the crew drowning? I like it when shipfags die, because they keep shitting up /n/ with their threads.

>>950673
fuck off cyclefag

>>932763
Even if he lived under a mile away?

The engine wouldn't even get hot by that distance.

>>950864
>implying there are homes within 1 mile of major industrial hubs.

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>>950874
>implying there aren't

>>948815
It is. There's a reason it was a company from Seattle (Starbucks) that took over the coffee shop industry.

>>950672
In Washington those are mostly concentrated in and around King County. West of the Sound there are nowhere near as many.

>>947680
>XP

FUCK TWIC!!!!

I could have made $500 today but instead I'm making 0 because I lost my TWIC card. Fucking bullshit.

>>953718
tfw still don't have a job that requires me to use my twic

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Cones

>>955207
Bonus points if somebody else knows what the container their in is called.

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So, here's what I don't get. The difference between a ship and a boat is that you can fit a boat on a ship, but your can't fit a ship on a boat, right? Well, bigass car ferries and naval submarines haven't got lifeboats most of the time, making them boats, but they're generally enormous, while you can hoist a small rubber dingy onto your 20-foot motorboat and voila, it's a ship, now. Also, in the aviation world we frequently refer to aircraft as -ships based on what their job is, and a flight can be counted by the number of ships in it, especially when talking to a tower. So, why is "ship" such a fucky concept? Why is it so hard to nail down what a "ship" is?

>>955496
It's called a "container"

>>955498

>The difference between a ship and a boat is that you can fit a boat on a ship, but your can't fit a ship on a boat, right?

This is just a pleb term for people who don't know how to count.

Above and below 500 tonnes is the true definition.

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>>955496
We call them cone baskets.

>>955572
why do they spraypaint the tires on the trailer white like that

>>955565
GOOGLE! YOU LIED TO ME!

>>955496
Gear boxes?

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>>955579
Anything bigger than a pickup truck has white triangles painted on the tires for increased visibility.

>>955607
Ding ding ding ding.

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Why isn't this common practice?

Free fucking energy when you can use it. Saving penny pinching shipping companies money on fuel.

Less particulate emissions ending up on glaciers and ice pack. Making them melt faster

>>955980
Because it's gay and I might get beaten up by my fellow neanderthals if I'm seen on a vehicle that doesn't destroy the environment
t. Average shipfag

>>955980

>Why isn't this common practice?

It is.

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OP here, currently trying to get hired by the local tug company.

>>957338

Keep us up to date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obAXTS93ck

>>957338
Is it an IBU outfit?

>>957799
>IBU
not familiar with that acronym

>>957932
Inland Boatmen's Union. Most of the more respectable tow boat companies in LA/LB employ IBU labor. Not sure where their jurisdiction extends to.

>>958056
ah, according to the IBU site, they don't have jurisdiction in FL

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Fresh OC comin through

>>958056
>Unions
>Respectable
Compared to what? The actual mafia? Yeah, semi literate goons waving union signs as they scream for more unreasonable concessions is slightly less distasteful to the public compared to shootouts and kidnappings.

>>958160
Did I say the union was respectable or did I say the companies wer respectable? You might wanna brush up on your reading comprehension before you go around accusing others of being "semi literate," dumb little bitch.

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>>943640
>No space between the number and the unit symbol
Please re-read the SI Brochure.

>>944171
>like a month now.
Try seven.

>>945561
Probably a good thing you put 'engineer' in scare quotes too.

>>955498
>bigass car ferries … haven't got lifeboats most of the time
What gave you that impression?

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>>944494
>>944532

Saw this woman-named ship tonight.

>>957338
Update: got a call from them today, waiting on one of the owners to get back off vacation then hopefully they'll bring me in for an interview.

>>958713
>What gave you that impression?

A general lack of knowledge on my part, and possibly a mistyped thought

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bump

Can somebody more easily explain the difference between transloading and transhipment?

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Working this whore today. Over 600 moves and they only hired two cranes. Dock Boss trying to tell us to pump during the safety talk. He must think I'm scared of two hours of OT.

Will be joining as a deck cadet soon

Should be fun

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>>929490
>it sounds about as appealing as working in ... the city facility that converts everyone's excrement into something that's safe enough to dump into the bay.

Former marine engineer here. This is actually part of the job, since people still have to poo at sea, so all ships have on-board sewage treatment plants.
Photo is of a US EPA vessel, checking sewage effluent from cruise ships in Alaska.

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Shit pic but whatever. Little Hamburg Sud vessel

>>966315

>all ships

Maybe in the US, skipper

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OP here
Got an interview with the local fuggboat company tomorrow morning

Wish me luck /n/

>>969173

Good luck man.

I myself am looking into setting up an offshore installation so while it is a small cost to the business compared to the other parts I am looking to acquire a 60' harvest boat and a 30' maintenance boat to start.

Shits gonna be pricey

>>969332
did the interview, and it went well. they said i should expect to hear from them in about a week.

>>969481

Awesome. Soon you will be screaming at tankers and freighters asking them if they are crazy or stupid

Man, I would have gone to a maritime academy, but didn't get enough scholarships so it was too fucking expensive. And I'd heard enough about the SIU school to stay away from it.

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>>969481
got the job on the fuggboat, I start on the 5th!

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Bumping this thread from page 9 with this dank OC

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Ay yah yah yah yah
I keep on hopin we'll eat cake by the ocean

>>969947
Got your TWIC card ready? I just got a new one. What fucking scam that shit it. I have to p ay for mine. Some of the tug operations here (Foss, Crowley) pay for their employees' TWIC fees.

>>972489
what phone do you use?

>>972490
yeah i've already got my TWIC, even though I have it, I still need to get a secondary ID badge for the facility they dock the tug at anyway

the TWIC is basically useless

got accepted to maritime school last week m'boys, really hyped

>>972509
>what phone do you use?
Moto X.

>the TWIC is basically useless
Aint that the truth.

>>972586
i'm convinced TWIC only exists because some politician somewhere is benefiting from it

>page 9

wew

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Maritime animal life

>>934003
Another anon with the maritime industry as Plan B. Are the engine departments moving towards day shifts only and computer monitored/alarmed overnight? Is that seeing a reduction in engineering officers? How dose the pay for the engine department work. Is it per day at sea, per hour worked, or just a yearly salary? I guess the contract periods and varies between company, 3-6 months at sea and then some months off ya?

My local technical collage, BCIT, has a Marine Engineering Diploma Co-op Program, a typical school/sea time/school/sea time program I guess. Is it common to get hired by the shipping companies I would co-op with?

In the off chance that someone has or is in that program how is it?

Thanks for any and all answers.

>>974658
i assume they hopped up there while the ship was lower in the water?

>>974857
Nope. In fact we were watching one try to jump up and fail for a while. Then I looked a while later and both were on there. The ship was surging a little so maybe they were able to time their jump just right. I thought maybe we loaded enough cans to push the ship lower, but all the cans we loaded were empties.

>>972490
>His employer doesn't pay for his TWIC or other professional credentials.
That's some bullshit. It was like $125 when I got mine a few years ago. Thank god I didn't have to pay for it.

>>974866
>>972596
TWIC was one of many post 9/11 money grabs made under the guise of national security. Not only did Raytheon get a get billion dollar contract, they charge employers/workers $125 a pop. And now, Raytheon just subcontracts and licenses out the work to other private party vendors. Not only is it a money grab that fucks us, it doesnt work.

https://www.ilwu.org/twic-flunks-latest-test/

https://fcw.com/articles/2014/06/05/twic-troubles.aspx

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Even though it was an embarrassing failure, the Pacificat still looks pretty stylish in my eyes.

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Does anybody likes sailboats?

>>975178
I ain't got nothin' against 'em.

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>>975198
I really really really like sailboats

>>975178
fuck yes

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OP here with some dank oc from my first day

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>>976107

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>>976109

>>975178
Better than big dumb cargo ships full of televisions and Chinese dildos

>>929064
N I C E
thanks man.

>>974913
It sure feels like it. I have one because I work on a railroad along the river and the chemical plants require it.

Never mind that they'll never install the stupid scanners or anything. You know, the whole purpose behind the stupid fucking card.

>>976174
The facility we dock our boats at has their own ID badge system and doesnt even use the twic

>>976107
>>976109
>>976110
Good shit lad. Be safe out there.

>>976174
Some (like 15%) of the docks here have the terminals to slide in your card, but theyre not turned on. We just show it to a human, just like we did with our company/union IDs before. So yeah it's a joke. We pay $100+ for a high tech card with RFID and other shit that never get used.

>>976207
Except now the government has your finger prints.

Something I'm not a fan of at all.

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Sup, /n/. Tomorrow I have skype interview arranged for the 4th Off position on some handy-size Bulk, and I've been told that my interviewer is some former navy 60+ old Capt, who likes asking a lot of questions from celestial navigation and some terrestrial position fix&observation techniques from the 50-60's aka no satellite or electronic devices. I've graduated a year ago and I literally have just slightly above zero knowledge on those topics and can do that shit only with book or manual, but not describe the process in a conversation.
So how fucked am I? It seems my 79% on Seagul CES and 84% on SETS 2.0 wasn't any good for them.

>>976107
>Spliethoff
Did you sign on for their fabled bonus, that is assuming you work for them?

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>>977205
No, I work on the tug

>>977127
Pretty fucked senpai
If they need you urgently they can look the other way and hire you.
Depends how many others applied for that job
Depends how good your talking skills are
And lastly luck
Most prob they liked something about you seeing that at least they scheduled an interview

>>977267
Nice pic.

>>977847
>>977847
>>977847

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