Which One?

>>786165
Boeing

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Boeing

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>>786165

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>>786165
But why?

>>786165
McDonnell Douglas.

>>786165
Boeing. But in practice, it's kind of a wash. I will say that despite the A380 being an engineering marvel, it was a terribly misguided program.

>>786165
I don't know which is which but the one on the left has a cuter nose. The one on the right just looks fat.

>>786200

I miss the DC-10.

[spoiler]Bombardier[/spoiler]

They have slightly different engineering and design philosophies, but they make nearly identical products.

The market situation right now seems to be tipping in Airbus' favor as sales of A320neo is significantly outpacing 737 MAX, and 777X sales is also sluggish.

Both make fine aircraft, but both are shitty companies.

Threads that should be banned:
>steel vs carbon
>recumbent vs upright
>boeing vs airbus

The dreamliner is the sexiest airliner of now. Both companies are shit though, and survive because noone else exists

>>786200
This

>>786200
>heavy inefficient pieces of shit

>>786335
>Heavy
>MD-88 weighs less than the A318

>>786242
That's not even really correct. Based on how long each prgram has been around, the A320neo and MAX are o n about the same pace. And the 777X is fine. Nobody wants the A380 or 747 anymore and the 777 represents the largest twin fan offering.

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>>786306
I'm not even an Airbusfag, but the a350 makes the Dreamliner look like shit.

>>786418
Doesn't the Dreamliner have larger windows though? That alone makes it better because honestly, economy will always be shit no matter what airplane or airline you're in.

I've flown economy on the Emirates A380 and I was disappointed. Same as every other airline, not even the toilets were made bigger for that airplane in economy, so plus-size gentlemen like myself had a hard time finding a comfortable position to defecate.

>>786418
Airbus marketing shill detected

>>786418
Except the 787 is absolutely more advanced from a design perspective.

>>786475
and uglier.

>we will never leave the age of obscenely large engines and ugly noses.
why live

>>786200
Right on anon. Shame about that A-12.

>>786200
Nah. I'm looking forward to them being retired. The A320 and 737 series are simply superior aircraft to the MD-80, MD-90, and 717 series.

>>786414
Except apparently Emirates and that A380neo they're creaming for. Yes the 777 is a great plane. When is the 777x reaching IOC anyways, 2020?

>>786584
Emirates is literally the ONLY airline that has expressed any interest in the A380neo. There's not a single airliner in existence in the Airbus or Boeing portfolio that would have been built if only one airline was interested.

Not to mention that Airbus also need to ramp up capacity for the A330neo, which will be notably more difficult if they commit to building the A380. Oh, and there's precisely zero market for used A380s, so Emirates would take a huge hit on early retirement of their current A380 fleet.

>>786583
>3-3 seating
I'll grant you the 737 and A320 are more capable than the MD-80, and perhaps the 90, but the 717 is certainly better than the A318 and 736.

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>>786241
CS300 just had its first flight. Interesting aircraft. Pretty short takeoff and landing runs even at MTOW and MLW. Coupled with good range, it could be a game-changer for regional airports.

>>786589
Neither the A318 nor the 737-600 is used extensively.

Boeing because B747-8 is sexy as fuck and it's only plane that can fly to Helsinki because A380 needs those special jetways and a bit longer runway.

>>786596
It's probably going to be discontinued soon. Very few of the passenger models are selling and the demand for cargo aircraft hasn't bounced back. They are going to build 3 to be the new Air Force One though.

>>786479
big engines kick ass, gtfo

>>786790
if i want engines as wide as the fuselage, i'll go find a fighter jet.

>>786165
Airbus' crash themselves. Boeing's require input.

>>787275
>airbuses get shot down or 404'd
>boeings get crashed into skyscrapers

ftfy

>>787277
come come, stay modern.
>even the french can't fly their own airbus jets, stalling them into the sea.
>boeings vanish outright.

>>786582
Proof that yes, you can in fact underbid a defense contract so badly that your whole fucking company goes bankrupt.

>>787330

Better to be in the catbox then at the bottom of the Atlantic.

>>786475
Depends on what you mean by advanced, i'd say lack of advanced flight envelope protections makes it inferior still to any airbus made since the A320.

Airbus pilotfag here so I am biased, but suck it!

>>787720
>Airbus pilotfag here
ie computer monitoring assistant.

>>787724
I wonder how some people can be delusional enough to think a boeing doesn't have the same degree of flight envelope protection as an airbus.

>b-but you can make the plane bank more at lower altitudes!
real fooking useful

>>786414

The 777 pretty much fills EVERY need for long haul carriers. It's not even fair for airbus. Everything else is a wash.

>>787746
>about to hit a structure at low altitude
>lol you don't need to bank as much

>>786421
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOURE FAT

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most people here are ammerigans so of course they will say Boing

>>787849
in this situation, surely flight envelope protection is more a hindrance than a help?

It doesn't matter what the limiting angle is, when a building is you're immediate concern you probably don't want there to be a limit at all. Even if you turn 90 degrees and crash the plane into a river, at least you didn't kill everyone in the building as well.

>>787724
Ouch that hurts man... Still I am in the air and you are most likely stuck on fsx.

All planes since the wright flier are shit - is that what you're saying? If you fly the 737 it is just monitoring computers too... In older aircraft you'd have an engineer monitoring everything so that means a pilot has even less concerns.

>>787746
Not quite i understand your point. A boeing has the same degree of flight envelope protections as an airbus? That is just plain wrong. In normal law you cant stall an airbus, you can stall a boeing at any time. In normal law you cant pull more G than the maximum design limit, in a boeing you can throw it about to the point where the tail snaps off. Why would you ever need more than 67 degrees AoB?

>>788260
>Still I am in the air and you are most likely stuck on fsx.
presumptuous francophone.

>>788260
>Can't stall an airbus
>inb4 Air France 447. Stalled.
What next, mista maximum g design the limit airbus no need to think let alone fly the fuckin aircraft

>>788260
I dont want to fly an a/c that can override me as a pilot

There was that incident in an airbus not too long ago where the alpha vane got stuck in a "nose high" position, computers freaked out, thought it was a nose high position (it was the alpha vane that has frozen) and the computers inputted full nose down pitch around 10,000ft. Crew had to disconnect the associated computers just to fly the damn a/c
No thanks, don't want to fly that deathtrap (i'm not american before you ask)

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Embraer master race

>>789521
It's disgusting. Just like Brazil. It disgusts me. I hate it, I hate it so badly. I don't care aboutany races as such, but brazilians, vietnamese, thai, americans and somalians disgust me. I hate it. I hate them all. Everybody else are cool guys, but I just hate those people. Can't tell you why, maybe because they're huge self centered faggots. I hate them, and I want to nuke the fuck out of them. Jesus Christ I hate them.

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>>789535
K

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>>789535

>>789521
And then there's this guy.

if you have to ask, you've already lost

also Cessna master race

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>>786590
>CS300... could be a game-changer for regional airports
Absolutely. Of all the different companies trying to bust into the regional jet market, Bombardier is really the only one that has managed to develop a decent plane.

Westerners won't fly on the Comac C919 (because everything made in China is garbage and likely to fall apart or explode at any moment). Likewise the Sukhoi Superjet 100 just doesn't have the confidence of the airlines since their prototype accidentally a mountain in clear weather.

Bombardier/Embraer are going to end up owning the entire regional jet market between then, same as Boeing/Airbus own the entire large aircraft market.

>>789970
>Westerners won't fly on the Comac C919 (because everything made in China is garbage and likely to fall apart or explode at any moment).
Passengers are ignorant. That's not a likely reason for failure.

It won't succeed though, because like you say, it won't get the confidence of airlines.

>>789973
I think he means it's questionable as to whether it will ever get FAA certification.

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>>789970
The MRJ is on the table (to a lesser extent) as well. It has 223 firm orders and 184 options. Of that, 100 firm and 100 options are just for SkyWest, which is a big player in regional US airports.

>>789974
Well, you'll never see one at a US airport. You don't even see Tupolevs at US airports, and they've been around a long time.

>>789486
'In normal law you cant stall an airbus' - nothing wrong with that statement. You have to be seriously unlucky to leave normal law. Recently 2 boeings have stalled in completely normal conditions with fatal concequences (Asiana and Turkish in AMS). In AMS there was a very MINOR technical downgrade which lead to these obviously 'superior' stick and rudder pilots (all three of them) not to notice that their aircraft was slowing down. In an Airbus, would never happen.

Protections based on design limits make the aircraft much more manouverable. In a boeing, because you have no protection at the limit the pilot won't know where that limit lies so will either pull far too little G during an escape manovure (like if he is heading towards terrain or about to hit another aircraft) or he will pull far too much G and overstress the aircraft perhaps leading to a structural failure. At all times the pilot flying the airbus can just smash the controls wherever he wants and the plane will go to the very MAXIMUM it can safely provide. If you try to argue that this is not a sensible design then you are wrong, an idiot and have no place discussing aviation and should stick to the bike threads.

>>786165
Airbus because I'm Euro, and I love the technology.

Boeing for flying on flightsims, since fly by wire makes things boring.

>>786165

Both are great and keeping the competition up we will get the best airplanes :D.

>>790087
but anon the best airplanes are all retired.

>>789983
I'd love to see Mitsubishi become a big player in the market, as things seem a little stagnant at the moment. And you are correct, the Skywest orders will definitely bring it into the spotlight for other airlines to consider.

Since I make Airbus A-350 frames, I guess I kinda have to pick Airbus.

>>786418
I help make the A-350. Personally, I fond the 787 more aesthetically pleasing.

>>786207
how so?

>>790109

last time mitsubishi made planes, war broke out

>>789995
Airlines don't care.

>>790126
The A380 was created at a time when demand for super-jumbos was in decline. Airlines mostly prefer twin fan mini-jumbos these days. And airports need special facilities to handle the A380.

It's telling that the ONLY airline that has expressed any interest in an A380neo is Emirates and that there is no market for used airframes from the current A380 fleet.

So basically, they put all this time, effort, and all those resources into a clean sheet design for something that hasn't even sold at the level they want and probably never will. They have to decide this year whether or not to build the -neo, all while simultaneously trying to ramp up A320(neo), A330neo, and A350 production.

TL;DR: The A380 has too little appeal and was badly timed.

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>>790136
Wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_MU-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_400

Both developed after the war and both sold in the hundreds.

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Gone too soon ;_;

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Only tangentially related questions here:

Tristan de Cunha is like the most remote permanently settled place in the world. IT is just under 1800 miles from Cape Town, South Africa. It has no airstrip.

The US-2 has a range of ~2900 miles. How hard would it be to build a (semi)protected water landing strip on the island's coast?

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>>790267

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>>790269

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>>790271

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>>790234
Nigga, that thing was ancient by the time the accident happened. Be happy the accident wasn't any worse than it already was, or ruined the Concorde name forever. An update was long needed, but never happened.

>>790277
>Be happy the accident wasn't any worse than it already was
Short of hitting a bigger building, it couldn't have been much worse aircraft wise. It was (nearly?) full of passengers at the time.

i've always recalled 100 as the standard config but i know it could go up into the high 120s at times.

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>>789521
I like you

>>786241
Cash poor firm with poor leadership that has bet the farm on a overweight late to market platform.
(ex Bombardier marketing guy here)

AirBus puts too much emphasis on technology and automation. Then when something goes wrong the autopilot disconnects and expects the pilots to figure it out.

>>792309
That's what the pilots are there for
The whole point of them existing at all

>>786165
Number of aircraft deliberately flown into mountains this year:
Airbus 1
Boeing 0

Do the math.

Do Airbuses still have that problem with the angle of attack sensor which causes them to dive spontaneously?

>>792045

I find its a shame honestly , my uncle worked there for a long time and said in the last 10 years , a lot of managers were replaced with people who didn't even care about aerospace/airplanes , they were just in it for the money.

>>789562
its hard for us americans to be humble when we're so obviously superior

one man's self-confidence is arrogance to the beta fag.

>>789984
I see Tupolevs all the time at BDL

>>793678
>its hard for us americans to be humble when we're so obviously superior
>brazilians, vietnamese, thai, americans and somalians disgust me

You need to start reading the posts leading up the one you're replying to.

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Ilyushin wins!!!!

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>>786421
Lose some weight fatty

>>786421
Get a bike porky pig

>>797282
>>797293
I can't I have a slow metabolism. I eat just as much as a friend of mine from college and I keep getting fat and he doesn't even though we're the same height.

>>790141
>and that there is no market for used airframes from the current A380 fleet
I'm pretty sure that's mostly because:
- an used a380 is still outside the reach of those who would be interested in buying it used;
- those who would buy it used don't have the leverage to make more airports support the A380... or the traffic to justify an A380.

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>>786306
You mean Noone has engineered this worldwide duopoly for his own means? It seems everyday there are more shocking revelations regarding this duplicitous mastermind.

>>786479
>Huge fuselages with tiny engines
No thanks

>>787858
>Boing
When I was ~14 I did a fairly large project (4x A1 sheets) on WWII combat aircraft. I realised long after that every instance of 'Boeing' was misspelled.
mfw

>>787860
How about if the flight envelope protection prevents pilots from crashing into a building in an attempt to avoid a tree, huh? What then?

>>790195
>Those windshield wipers
Very nice.

>>797295
>I eat just as much as a friend of mine from college
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTr1JUvEiUU&hd=1
Eat less and/or do more.

>>797310
>those who would buy it used don't have… the traffic to justify an A380.
Why would the buy one then.

>>797326
>Why would the buy one then.
Air traffic numbers are on the rise, and as much as you point your finger towards low cost carriers and point to point connections, a lot of people are still going to fly low cost to a major hub and then jump on a transcontinental flight, because cramming more people into the same flight means reduced ticket prices. It's as simple as that. New long-range aircraft are eating away at the need for using very large aircraft between major hubs and being routed through another flight to your final destination, but that doesn't mean very high volume routes will stop existing. And the more passengers there are, the more high volume routes there will be. For now this means only Emirates wants the A380, but in the future, there will be more interested parties.

>>797310
Right. So that just creates even less incentive for the A380neo to move forward.

>>797331
They'll look to the 747 first. Without substantial infrastructure improvements, the A380 will remain a niche aircraft.

>>797350
The 747 production line is only going to last a few more years unless they get new orders. Same goes for the A380; they need multiple commitments to buy it and Emirates is literally the only airline interested in the neo.

>>797351
they will be selling freight 747s until the end of time

>>797352
Not if they don't get a lot more orders in the next couple of years. The 747-8F is what they were relying on to financially carry the -8 series. But the global cargo aircraft market has never fully recovered from the downturn and orders aren't even close to where they thought they would be.

>>797295
-_- the point is not that you can't lose weight, it's that you can't make the additional effort to lose weight
>life ain't fair son