/upg/ - Urban Planning General

what kind of speed limit can you get on something like that without grade separation?

>>1067739
I think around 30mph/50kph is the fastest they can go.

Portland uses Škoda trams? wtfff

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Anyone notice how they're beginning to instill multiculti propaganda in fucking building proposal renders now? Look at all the hijabs and traditional hurkadurka clothing, holy fuck

>>1067758
The indoor track is way more concerning. What kind of idiot designed this?

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>>1067739
depends on,
in a packed pedestrian zone it's pedestrian speed, in an area with lower pedestrian traffic there may be limits between 30km/h and 50km/h, in street traffic with no pedestrians it could be up to 70km/h

>>1067751
The old ones are Skoda. The new ones are built by a local company, United Streetcar.

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first for walkability

>>1067735
>>1067808
Which comes into my mind, what a waste are TODs that aren't walkable.

>>1067758
>rendering companies work for jobs all over the world
>don't bother changing the scalies between jobs

Laziness! Many such cases.

Cycling Oriented Development is the ultimate redpill

>>1067758

>>>/pol/

>>1067773
>70 km/h running in street traffic
Where would that be?

>>1067812

TOD =/= TAD. TOD is always walkable. Nonwalkable but transit accessible is TAD, Transit Adjacent Development. And yes, it's utter shit and doesn't have the benefits of TOD, it's just a waste of money.

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>tfw living in a highly autistic city

check this shit out:

>modern part of the city is laid out in square grid with blocks 113,3 m long, while streets are exactly 20 m wide, so every three blocks adds up to exactly 400 m (except where there's a main thoroughfare which are 50 m wide)
>grid is laid out at precisely 45 degree angle to the cardinal points
>thanks to this and the geographic position of the city in the northern hemisphere, all sides of every block get sunlight at some poing during the day
>One main thoroughfare is laid out exactly on the Paris meridian which runs north-south, so this thoroughfare is exactly at a 45 degree angle toward the grid
>other thoroughfare is exactly perpendicular to it
>other diagonal thoroughfare is at a 22,5 degree angle (this is to break possible gridlock)

get on my fucking level, plebs

>>1067978
most cities in the new world have pretty efficient grids imo

>>1067758
Oh noes! We might show reality!

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I'm hyped on this new thread.

Let's see some good pics of TOD.

I'll start with this one in Seattle. It's a real inspiration for me.

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>>1067993
It reminds me a bit of an old European city but with new architecture. It replaced an old parking lot and will be right next to a new light rail station in a few years.

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If you had to build a community college for 10,000 students would you place it in a city of 50,000 or here (7 miles away)?

>>1067996
closer to the college

commuting sucks

>>1067758
I only see one hijab but still think it's one too many.

What concerns me more is the inconsistencies between the people - there's a couple that looks like they're going to prom or formal event (by far the most out of place), a girl that should be jogging outside (well I guess it kind of works since there's a track there). There's people in business suits, some dressed like it's winter and others like it's summer, and irresponsible parenting going on as well - those kids running up and playing on the stairs. For an athletic facility there's a shortage of people actually dressed athletically on the first floor.

I'm an architecture student that has done many renders in my time and do add the occasional easter egg, but I make sure there's consistency with the scalies I use.

>>1067771
Obviously not a structural engineer, I'll tell you that. I've designed fantasy-tier shit before but at least try to make it somewhat structurally believable.

>>1067758
>a sari is a hijab
I know racists are dumb but sometimes they exceed my already low expectations

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>>1068042
Ok, now you've triggered my autism. That's clearly a hijab.

>>1068048
It is but I think anon was referring to the couple near the middle, the one that looks like they're going to prom.

>>1068048
>hunting for someone in the corner who could just as well just have a blue parrot on her shoulder pecking at her scalp
Reaching a bit there aren't you m8? Fine. Life is so hard as a white christian male :( Better now that I've "told it like it is"?

>>1068040
is jogging that much of a problem?

>>1068036
Now the community is searching for ways to make their transit service better. They currently have a few shuttle buses from the city to the community college.

I just don't understand why you would build so far away from population centers. I understand cheap land but there are literally 7 miles until the nearest small city.

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>>1068059
Yes, especially if there's multiple people jogging simultaneously. When you jog/run you hit the ground with more force and your weight is moving around too quickly for the structure to properly bear the load. Even worse than a standard live load as that running is going to cause vibrations too.

When I saw that rendering, I couldn't help but be reminded of the Hyatt Regency walkway collapse back in 1981.

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>>1067993
>>1067994
Kewl.

>>1067996
Is this an agricultural research community college?

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>>1067982
This one isn't just a grid, it's also laid out strategically so that all sides get sunlight at some point during the day.

>pic related shows how the sun shines through the day
>only the northern corner doesn't get any sunlight

>luz solar = sunlight
>amanecer = sunrise
>mediodía = noon
>atardecer = sunset

>>1067982
I wish mine did. I think that it was designed by 100 years of idiots sharting onto a piece of paper

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>>1068221
That would make some sense but no it is not. A local college has a "farm campus" where they have some livestock and numerous fields within a major metropolis. They do all sorts of experiments on the land which benefit the greater part of the state.
The closest thing this one has is a program on turf management.

>>1068050
>hurr durr I think someone thought something else which is why I lashed out at them for thinking that

Jesus, you Reddit people are a special kind of retarded

>>1067978
Which city?

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>>1067758
That's fucking nothing.

>>1068350
Barcelona

>>1068354
>Toronto
Of course, one of the worst cities in North America. The leafs really outdid themselves this time. It's like they want their country to become a shithole.

>>1068354
>>1068356
Kek my proposal is in Toronto too (for Etobicoke's civic centre)

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Tokyo would have the best urban form if they removed the height restrictions

>>1068359
I like Tokyo the way it is. Narrow streets with light-moderate activity and tightly packed small buildings at the human scale is in my opinion better than buildings with enormous footprints and so tall they begin to form concrete canyons and throw the streets into perpetual shade. That's what Tokyo's Financial District is for. 2-6 story buildings with less than 50 feet of well-articulated street frontage is kino urban form. Not everyone wants Hong Kong or Manhattan.

Though I suppose the houses can be built up to 4 stories.

You'd think Japan would be more known for sprawling auto development what with their very strong car manufacturing industry.

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>>1068364
I understand that the sunlight argument is legitimate, but to be honest, "human scale" is more about the width of buildings and what they look like.

A warehouse may be one story tall, but the blank wall is very unappealing, but a small church with its ornamentations is much more appealing, even if it's a very tall church, your eyes are focused on what's in directly in front of you, not up.

People want to see vibrant colours, and human activity, not brutalist concrete monstrosities.

It's possible to be comfy even with tall buildings. Just imagine the alleys of HK without the grit or decay.

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.ca/2015/08/point-of-view-matters-scourge-of.html

>>1068384
I suppose so.

>urbankchoze
Nice, I've read a couple of his blog posts, good stuff.

>>1068369
Yeah, but then you consider the exorbitant gas prices and understand why everyone takes public transportation.

>>1068328
Was joking.

>>1068364
>comparing plains to islands and hilly coasts

>>1068359
How high? The urban form works at this height.

>>1068364
>>1068384
Moderately-articulated skyscrapers and towers with ground-level activity and community is where it is, mixed in with tong lau, tenement, (terraced) shop-house.

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>>1068354
This guy looks so goofy. Like one of those maymays where you cut out a celebrity in a weird pose and reinsert them into thousands of different contexts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5V_VzRrSBI

The end times are near

thoughts on SAYA's work on jerusalem lads? i'm sure 4chan can discuss israel palestine maturely and responsibly

>>1068505
>a subway train system that's less efficient and more expensive to operate that will also carry fewer people
Even if you ignore all of the legal, financial, engineering, and safety problems inherent with the idea of a private tunnel network that cars can drive into, that concept still doesn't make any practical sense, especially not in a world where helicopters and aircraft exist.

>>1068048
>That's clearly a hijab.
Or it could just be an old lady wearing a scarf on her head and you're assuming things... My grandma (she was 93 years old when she died in 2011) used to wear a scarf like that, and she was a Christian (Lutheran) whose parents came to the US as immigrants from Norway, and there was nothing religious about it, it was just a very old fashioned choice of head coverings.

>>1068505
First hyperhype and now this?

What is Elon trying to do?

>>1068546
keep his name in the news perpetually.

>>1067808
>無料風俗案内
a less obvious but still important benefit of walkability

It always bothers me that some pretty dense parts in LA have complete garbage walkability

>>1067994
>>1067993
these pedestrian paths look pretty nice, but I don't really see anything to walk too tho

>>1067996
Do you know how quickly you can go 7 miles in a car/bus without traffic?

>>1068364
>>1068384
Japan has a bunch of 10ish story buildings with pretty small footprints.

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>>1068728
>these pedestrian paths look pretty nice, but I don't really see anything to walk too tho
in Japan you can bet there is a train station just around the corner

>>1068505
I am literally fucking dead right now
>>1068546
Wasn't there this one millionaire who proposed car tunnels as competition to subways back when subways were a new thing? The idea was retarded 130 years ago and it still is today.

>>1068505
>>1068546
Boring Auto Metro vs Amtrak Auto Train.

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>>1068728
Yeah, it's pretty dope.

>>1068728
It probably only takes 7 minutes to get to the nearest town but imagine not having an automobile. Imagine trying to bike on the highway that far everyday. Sounds horrible.

>>1068037

If you were an ACTUAL architecture student like me you'd figure it was a mixed use building ;)

>Portland fell for the Lightfail meme
Lightrail is simply the modern day tram/streetcar
Used as such it works fine
Try to use it as a cheap substitute to proper trains and it will not work fine
Try to think a single dinky little lightrail route in the gentrified downtown will fix all of your city, suburbs, and regions transportation problems is bizarre and destined to fail

>>1069100
MAX goes all over the city, though. Yeah there are issues with it such as lack of grade separation in many places and longer headways but it's in no way limited to downtown.
Do you even know the difference between light rail and light metro?

>>1069152
not him but wouldn't mind a quick rundown

>>1069152
>>1069172
Mind you there's still a difference between light rail rapid transit and light metro, ie pre-metro vs light metro.

>>1069172
The biggest difference is probably grade separation. Think Vancouver SkyTrain

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>>1069100
What's the stop spacing like on MAX?
Minnesota's most recent light rail line is a glorified streetcar line with 1/2 mile stop spacing. Runs right down the center of the road. (separate except at intersections)

>>1065652
>>1065919
>>1066121

I don't know if you're still around, but speaking of automated prt....

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2017/05/driverless-shuttles-coming-walt-disney-world/

>>1069152
>lack of grade seperation
In using light rail as a tram/streetcar is should not do this
>do you even know the difference between lightrail and light metro

No because it is a made up term

A metro is a train that operates inside a city in a grade separated subway or elevated route for maximum performance

Subways and elevated causeways are fairly expensive to build

You should be putting in it a vehicle that carries a lot of people to justify that investment

A 6 carriage electric multiple unit train can comfortable carry 1,000 people

Putting a lightrail vehicle that holds only 100-200 people inside expensive infrastructure is a fools errand

>>1069217
Is it autism that compels Americans to make up public transit categories that don't make sense
Or is it something more deliberate as the result is a severely impeded public transit system when it attempts to follow through with these warped concepts

>>1069370
A streetcar/tram should have stops every 500m-1km

Centre of the roads okay - these aren't graven in stone rules - so long as the roads wide enough
But if its trying to cover a long distance or its low density suburbia a train would be better, trams/streetcar/lightrail are better for shorter journies in more denser areas

And you can put the trains railways in the middle of a highway or freeway if you can't find a right of way for them

>>1069401
It occupies the space between light rail and heavy rail, for medium sized cities that won't have ridership high enough to justify heavy rail.

You realize that you can run several LRVs in a train, right? In Seattle the Kinkisharyo LRVs fit around 200 riders each, but you can see up to 4-car trains at rush hour at 6 minute headways.

The infrastructure is less expensive as well, since platforms are shorter (and therefore stations cheaper to construct) than would be for a true metro.

>>1069403
Light metro is actually a European concept/term, and that's where you'll find most of the existing light metro systems, friend :^)

>>1069405
Putting train stations in freeway medians is absolutely shit for TOD, though

>>1069100
You should give Cincinnati a call. A somewhat useful bus service that needs a lot more money, they lose out on federal funds but still spend over $100 million on a street car that's useful 6 months out of the year

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>>1069415
That depends on a number of factors though. If it's an elevated highway, you can make it a viaduct with commercial uses occupying the space under the highway. But this really only works when it's smack in the middle of an urban area. Doesn't really work in a more suburban area.

If it's a highway in a trench, it's even easier as that can just be capped over and be built on top of, or simply just build out the bridges that cross over the highway. Pic related is Columbus, Ohio and if the right of way was wider they could totally put a train in the median and hook up escalators and elevators up into the buildings sitting over the highway.

The ironic thing about this, there used to be a train station and rail line where that highway now exists. When they built that cap over it, its architecture was inspired by the station that once stood there many decades ago.

>>1069428
>shopping arcade bisected by a 4-lane road
>walking through that arcade is going to be unpleasant since all of the street noise will reverberate between the two paired buildings
>no mid-block crossing in the lower right
>no street trees, no traffic calming features
>sterile, uninteresting facades
>no pedestrians anywhere in this photo
What's the fucking point? It's cool and all that there are buildings on that bridge, but ultimately it's still ultimately a bridge designed for the convenience of automobiles, human needs aren't really a priority in this space.

>>1069401
but light rail vehicles are usually coupled in multiple car consists.

my local system plans for 700-800 in a consist after majoring sporting events with 3 cars.

>>1069434
Which never works
Goes under used
Or sees more demand than it can meet

What happens after the sporting event, back to one car in a subway/elevated? What if you want to expand services thanks to much greater demand but you only built a few stations to the capacity for 3 cars? What if you want to run more than 3 cars but didnt build the platorms long enough? All of these problems and more have already been encountered by people trying to halfarse a lightrail into a train

Stop trying to halfarse things

>>1069414
>It occupies the space between light rail and heavy rail, for medium sized cities that won't have ridership high enough to justify heavy rail

Just keep splitting it finer and finer creating more and categories more and more narrowly defined transit isolated and sepersted so people have to interchange between god knows how many services

A heavy rail is a train
You use a train for any number of services
Metro trains in a tunnel or elevated inside a city centre
Commuter trains typically of the surface with some grade seperation perhaps to and through suburbia from a city centre terminal
Regional trains traveling beyond the suburban terminus of the commuter to towns in the broader rural region
Interurban trains are fast express services to big towns and regional centres in said broader rural region

You can expand this as big or as small as the city and its burbs and region requires

The lightrail/tram/streetcar operates on the road, perhaps with some modest grade seperation where the roads are wide enough, in the city centre and surrounding urban area and to the edge of the innermost suburbs

Again scales to the needs

A commuter and lightrail/tram/streetcar is an ideal combo working together for medium to light density locations with no need for a metro, i.e. you get the train in and the you get around on the tram

>>1069414
>The infrastructure is less expensive as well, since platforms are shorter (and therefore stations cheaper to construct) than would be for a true metro.
And what happens when demand outstrips supply and you can't couple more LRV together because of the platform limitations?
Or how do you run these coupled in traffic?

Yes the pre-metros began in Europe - and they stopped building them years ago because of the capacity vs cost issues I am talking about
They have gone back to traditional tram networks and tram-trains

A tram-train is a tram network in a regional location that is also connected to the mainline railway so that in addition to zipping around the town it can also turn onto the railway and pop over to other nearby towns supplementing the existing regional rail services

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>>1069415
No its not stfu

Dare I say that this thread marks the return of /ourguy/ trainguy?

>>1068505
Elon Musk confirmed for insane savant cyberpunk tycoon

Are you ready to go running on a corpsec HTR team in the LA carhives? See you there, chummers

>>1069462
Seattle's system is doing just fine, thanks. 3 car trains run most of the time, and with the new Siemens order there will be 4-car trains more often.

>>1069464
>have to interchange between God knows how many services
Non argument. If I went to NYC, I'd still have transfers between commuter rail, subway, and bus. In Seattle, it's the same thing. Real metro vs light metro is almost always an either/or, I don't know any US city that has both.

>>1069465
Here's the thing: ridership will NEVER EVER get high enough to justify heavy rail. Rail's mode share in most US cities is not that high and will never get that high. We're talking a city of under a half million here with a metro area of a few million.

>>1069465
See above. Also some systems like Taipei have provisions during construction that allow for future expansion. I don't understand what you mean by running coupled in traffic, since it's grade separated

>>1069466
>highway overpass
>walkable
Please. Look at the CTA Blue Line O'Hare branch or the Red Line Dan Ryan branch.

>>1068866
Itty bitty building
Itty bitty space

>>1068866
>When your country doesn't have building regulations so a row of shacks get turned into skyscrapers

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>>1069642
Japan has a national zoning code. Municipalities set height and setback limits.

>>1068073
The fuck? Except the indoor elevated track would be designed for the forces caused by humans running on it. Are you fucking blind?

>it's a non-engineers talk about structures episode

>>1069508
You seem to think 'heavy rail' means some sort of monstrous freight train
It simply means... a train
What do you think it means?
>Id still have to transfer between commuter rail and subway
Commuter and subway being normal trains that are interoperable with the same rolling stock
They're not uniquely different the way you split hairs about a zillion different types of lightrail medium rail light metro etc
>We're talking a city of under a half million here with a metro area of a few million.
>if we insist that the counties are geographically isolated and no travel occurs between the two then the population is quite low
That'll fix the transport issues for sure
>will never ever get high
What if gas prices go up?
>so we can be confident in forever limiting the service patronage will never go up
And when it does then what? Having split rail into so many finely attuned variants that only you know about it now can't scale to meet it.

>highway overpass
Wut its on the surface
>walkable
Um...what?

>>1069433
It's a major commercial road that alternates between 4 lanes and 2 lanes with parking. Don't know about the noise and vibrations, but suppose there are sound walls and dampeners being used. Agreed about the trees though, they could have got rid of the center turn lane and made it a tree median or something, and they missed the chance for a crosswalk since there's a huge park nearby.

Anyways it was just an example. Something like this can be applied to Chicago where the metro runs in the median of the Eisenhower Expressway.

>>1067735
fuck pdx

>>1067856
The redpill being that if it's prioritized towards cycling only, it's shit.

>>1067993
This feels like I snuck into a back alley. If anyone lives on the first floor they will commit sudoku from lack of privacy. If it was meant for commerce then it still feels cut in half. See >>1067808 for example of a walkable space that is crowded as hell but still invites a human to walk through it. Your picture should jump in front of an amtrack.

>>1068073
Is that blood on the floor? Fucking kek

>>1067751

>Portland
Oregon?

>>1068505
Elon jumped his own shark. Should stick to spacex and turn tesla into a hybrid company.

>>1069666
wew Satan

I think anon's picture is an entirely residential development that is possibly control-access, probably a gate or something at the end that only residents can through. There's nothing to indicate it's commercial and everything to indicate that it's strictly residential. It's a quiet and possibly private residential street. where living on the first floor is possible.

>>1069414
But at rush hour most people need to get farther than just 1.5 miles across a downtown scape. Even then subway>above ground rail any day. If your city does not support subway then it is a mistake to build it without cars in mind.

t. Not an auto enthusiast or anything

>>1069464
Elevated full metro trains are a disaster. Just ulcer causing noise all day. That being said, I agree there is too much switching. You need an extended rail service that can run one train from 30-50 miles out all the way into the city. Once you make things that convenient though, you run into the next problem that cars don't have: hownthe fuck do you guarantee a spot on a train when fuckers are going to be riding it all the way from bfe? You'd need to add massive infrastructure as far as more trains or trains that hop stations and start picking up further in, then switch rails at every stop to pass the active trains, then the massive information job of letting passengers know what's going on/ knowing what passengers want to serve them back. If you want individual ticketing, let's say for a first class, that's an additional class of employee and almost a whole different company to run, not to mention delaying stops badly at rush hour (lol 50 people need to scan tickets in first class, sit tight).

>>1069655
I've never seen one that skinny with such a span. I'm no engineer but it does seem sketchy. The one at my old school was massive, basically was on the next floor of an atrium.

Btw who here likes atriums in split level futuristic high rises? Also who here thiught ghost in the Shell did a shit job at portraying a dehumanizing futurescape?

>>1069670
That was my first thought. In which case the first floor sucks balls. You want set back, both into your apartment for the porch and at least 5 feet from inside your gate to the sidewalk. Otherwise it's like foot traffic is in your house, even with a spite fence.

>>1068432
Woosh.

I'm pretty sure those exist though. My state college does agricultural research.

>>1069660
Commuter and subway aren't the same, you mong. Metro North, LIRR, and Metra trains aren't even similar to NYC Subway or CTA L trains

>>1069660
The station is on the highway overpass unless you want pedestrians to walk across what looks like a highway

>>1069667
Yep, that is blood. The hanging walkways in that hotel collapsed and killed 114 people and injured another 216 during a party in the lobby. To this day it remains an example of ethics and malpractice to anyone studying and practicing engineering.

>>1069655
The track rendering appears to be vastly under-supported by simple columns intended to support the actual building and nothing to carry the lateral load of the track, especially in the back where the basketball court is and there appears to be no columns to hold it up. It's fantasy, something like that can't practically be built without adding more columns as well buttresses or possibly adding a truss frame under the track which would make that slab wider than it currently is.

east berlin sucks

>>1069762
Please explain

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thoughts on SAYA's work on jerusalem lads? quite cool stuff imo

>>1068384
Honestly I wouldn't want to be on your picture. It looks like shit. Probably smells this way too.

A bit late, but there are appropriate times where light rail can get used with significant infrastructure. Dallas for instance, has its own ROW for the entirety of its system, with many parts being elevated or underground. It being light rail works because it can run on the street downtown, saving a significant amount of money. Seattle's system has a tunnel downtown, and because it's light rail, the tunnel can be shared with buses (which it is). I've seen trains in Dallas use 9 cars before too, so clearly that isn't an issue.

>>1069845
How's DART ridership? I keep hearing it brought up as an example of how not to do light rail.

And for what it's worth, buses are getting kicked out of the Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel once the new railcar order gets here

>>1069777
Looks nice, and I'm not necessarily referring to your photo, but the SAYA is nice too.

>>1069781
Different strokes for different folks. It's kind of cool as a touristy thing but I would not want to live in a place like that.

>>1068546
He's basically hopping futuristic trends
Probably jerks off to the thought of his name in the history books next to Nikola Tesla or something.

>>1069907

As a resident, the reputation is that it's filled with mainly crazy people, poorer people who need to commute to and from the city and the suburbs, and smells like pee

As public transport, it's actually not that bad. I think gentrification will encourage more development in the future (although they are still pushing for the D2 plan, so we'll see how that pans out), but it covers a wide range of area, and (the light rail at least) is relatively quick.

Really, the only problem with DART is that there is just so much land that even though we have one of the longest light rail tracks, and a huge network of buses, the wait times and throughput are still trash (half an hour for buses -
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2016/10/doesnt-anyone-at-dart-realize-how-terrible-riding-dart-actually-is/). And, to make matters worse, DART has consistently overspent to the point where they've begun reaching 100% capacity, and are strapped for funds, yet they can't increase ridership to help offset the cost.

Yet, they're trying to fund a new subway in downtown and a new light rail system to go to more suburbs: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dart/2016/10/25/dart-votes-fund-downtown-subway-suburban-rail, partly because they got another big grant from the government.

I did a lot of research into DART's financial situation in the past, but I can't remember it all now. I'm not even sure if anyone from the board even got fired, after they started threatening to bulldoze a piece of downtown in order to put more lightrail through the area (which is now planned for a subway)

It's really just a big clusterfuck, but at least it works... kinda

>>1069668
What do you think, retard? My post was in reference to the photo in the OP which is in Portland, Oregon

>>1069968
>DART has consistently overspent to the point where they've begun reaching 100% capacity,
Are you referring to debt capacity?

>>1070211
or something like it, yeah. I remember reading something how they were nearing the max of returns they could get per train car, but would still be running a deficit.... I'm not sure if it's completely accurate though.

>>1069670
You are correct. During the day, the gate is open, but it closes at night.

>>1069907
Not from there, but if I recall correctly, 4 lines bunch up to go downtown, therefore each line only runs every 20 minutes.

>>1070685
Do they interline for 5 minute frequency in the core?

>>1070685
What's the point with headways that large?

For context what are the standard headways for other light rail systems?

Metro Transit in the Twin Cities used to do every 8 minutes until they opened a second line that interlined in downtown and could have that many trains going through the surface streets so they switched to 10 minutes

>>1070685
>>1070770
During rush hour, the frequency goes up to every 15 minutes out on single lines and about 2.5 minutes downtown, which is about the maximum possible there, at least partially due to an agreement with the city to not exceed that frequency there and fuck up auto traffic. The idea in adding a second route through downtown is that 2 lines would move to the new route so that all 4 can increase in frequency, and that if a dumbass in a car hits a train at an intersection downtown, the system isn't as crippled.

>>1070792

Keep in mind it's the largest light rail operator in the entire US, and pretty mismanaged

[Test] Bump.

>>1068505
oh my god it's so fucking stupid it makes me irrationally angry. FUCK CARS, I LIKE EFFICIENCY GODDAMNIT

>>1068505
Public transit for your private automobile. A necessity due to the congestion from private automobiles.

Makes perfect sense.

>>1071039

> efficiency
You mean you like transportation so inefficient they you have to arrange transport to and from it after spending an arm and a leg to construct it?

>>1070805
>15 minutes out on single lines and about 2.5 minutes downtown
15 / 4 != 2.5, sure it's not every 10 minutes per line?

>>1071212
Fuck off to your containment board >>>/o/

>>1071212
Sounds like the roads which are only paid 50% by user fees.

Tired of my property tax dollars going to support vehicular welfare.

>>1069660
Commuter rail and subway are deliberately kept separate so that the commuter rail is cleaner, faster, and too expensive for hood niggers to use regularly.

>>1069466
Look at all the wasted space that could be used for general purpose lanes.

hey /upg/ you got a rep voted on to the /n/ roster for the 4chan spring babby cup this week named 'Everything's Fucked'

Is this considered an acceptable name for something to represent /upg/?

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>>1071697
>Everything's Fucked

THE
PLANE
HAS
CRASHED
INTO
THE
GOD-DAMNED
MOUNTAIN!

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Is Robert Moses /ourguy/?

>>1072023
What? Fuck no. Urban expressways are a cancer.

I absolutely despise residential towers such as those in literally every single third world city

just hate them, if every building above ten floors would just explode i wouldn't even care

>>1072023
For the most part, no. Jane Jacobs is the /upg/ queen though.

>>1072023
Certainly not, but you have to respect his ability to get funding for his projects.

>>1072023
You actually ask this question...

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J. J. Leeming is /ourguy/

>>1072051
>>1072041
As that cuban guy once said, it takes a mix of jacobs and moses to get shit done the proper way

>>1072034
>>1072041
>>1072051
* demolishes your neighborhood *

Has anyone watched Citizen Jane: Battle for the City?

Sounds like a pretty /upg/ film. Any other planning related films or documentaries?

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>>1068061
I mean I drive 35 miles to my college every day no problem but maybe that's just me

>>1072313
This is about Jane Jacobs, right?

>Watching Chinese belt-and-road propaganda video
They want to standardize global railroad network to their own standard?

>>1072711
>their own standard
Lol. More absurd than their stupid HSR.

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>>1067758

Can you imagine living like this? Paranoid about every facet of life that might show some boogeyman that strangers on the Internet have convinced you is a super serious problem?

It would drive me crazy, desu.

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Why do so many American cities, especially those in the south like Atlanta (pic related), have such bad suburban sprawl. Wouldn't it make more sense for all of the people to just live inside of the city and use public transport or walk. This would be much better for the environment and we could use our resources to build large mag-lev trains between metro areas instead of trying to maintain shitty highways. I don't get it. What could be the cause for such an awful misuse of resources.

>>1073123
The "American dream" involves owning your own home and living in the city center doesn't allow for that.

>>1073124
>The "American dream" involves a swimming pool, a three-cage carage, a lawn you never use, a private driveway, and a minimum 50-foot setback from property lines, and living in the city center doesn't allow for that unless you are incredibly wealthy, and people would rather sacrifice quality of life in order to have these pointless tokens of success

FTFY

>>1068340
>I'm a special person because membership in an secret internet shitposting society is key to my personal identity
I guess this is how millennials give their lives meaning since I'm told they can't get decent jobs anymore (more likely they just wasted their youth playing video games)

>>1073126
What's up with lawns anyways, who thought of that?

>let's put grass at the front, and make the entire lot bigger
>or just make the house smaller
>oh? you want a bigger house, well fuck you

>>1073124
So when did the American Dream kick in? Right around when desegregation happened right. 60s-70s.

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>>1073140
They were associated with royal estates in ye olden tymes, basically a sign that you not only have more land than you know what to do with, but you also have so much money that you amuse yourself paying peasants to cut plant vegetation in arbitrary lengths and patterns for reasons completely unrelated to farming.

When industrialization happened, the new middle class wanted to be like royalty, so they put lawns on their little squares of land to show off that they don't need the soil to grow food.

what is the name of those associations that make americans have to have their lawns? Aren't they an affront to the right of property!?

>>1073123

As the other anon said, it's a societal-cultural thing. People like owning a house with a large property, and for understandable reasons.

Also cities have a sometimes justifiably bad rep as being dirty, polluted, cesspools of degeneracy. This is true for large swaths of inner cities, but gentrification and new urbanism, for better or for worse, focuses on making cities quite enjoyable for those with higher incomes. Unfortunately it's a message and communication problem and most news you hear coming out of a city is the crime rate.

As a person who enjoys living deep in a city, I confess that I have a difficult time seeing one comfortably raise a family here.

>>1073147
It mostly accelerated post WWII, so the late 40s and early 50s.

>>1073190
Homeowner associations?
I think it's more the fault of single family residential zoning and maximum lot coverage ratios

>>1073123
you've seriously never heard of white flight?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

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>>1072128
Was actually close to happening to my grandpa's land in rural nw Connecticut. He said his land was surveyed to be part of a highway for rt 72, although I suspect that it was actually for rt 4. On this map you can see both 4 and 72 planned to head west past Bristol, although from what I gather, the proposed route for 72 would have been somewhat south of my grandpa's land.

A bit of history on routes 72 and 4
http://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/ct72.html
http://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/ct4.html

>>1073317
Sidenote: holy shit the amount of freeways that were planned and not built.

>>1073318
Such a wasted opportunity. Land prices are so high now-a-days that it would be too expensive to build the system properly as it should have been.

>>1073126
As much of an urbanist I am who totally agrees with everything you said, I think there's no way you can convince the people that live in suburban sprawl that what they live in is utter shit. These people just have the feeling that they NEED to be living in an oversized house just because, and they'll get what they want because our local governments and real estate developers cater to their demands

>>1073367
put tolls on freeways

>>1073190
>>1073255
Homeowner associations exist mostly to maintain property values of a development. Basically a hitleresque group of people that tell you to mow your lawn every 1-2 weeks, or make you pay for a landscaping company to do it, some don't allow you to park on the street or even your own damn driveway (some have the gall to fine you), have to ask for permission to paint or modify the exterior in any way - modifications are usually forbidden and painting is limited to an approved set of colors. Basically all the houses and lawns look more or less the same to maintain that cookie cutter look and property values up. The leadership of HOAs attract the most petty control-freak people.

Even though I have a strong preference for a single-family detached house, I would never move into a subdivision with an HOA, and avoid new houses in general. I would rather find a fixer-upper close to the city to work on.

>>1073485
I already pay taxes for roads. There is no reason I should have to pay double on my 50 mile commute into the city.

>>1074207
Is this b8?

>>1072089
Lrn2ought is

>>1068354
GTA needs to be nuked

>>1068505
dahir insaat tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsNktD9zW4&

Thoughts on Lexus Lanes? They are starting to appear more often in my region. I like that they can be used to improve transit efficiency but not a super big fan of enabling rich people to avoid the things the rest of us can't avoid.

>>1074501
>watch this guy's other videos
wtf is he smoking?

>>1074501
O boi i am laffin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9UufzGgYQ

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Corbusier tier

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>>1074508
why doesn't the US airforce put their entire fleet of F-16s unto one runway for easy destruction?

>>1074501
if the customer drives in, and their car already has heat/ac climate control, and the check-out employees are in a self-contained kiosk attached to the above supply level… why the hell are they blowing all that dough on enclosing the shopping area, pumping out the exhaust, and heating/cooling that massive space? just have that level open-air like every restaurant drive-thru in the world, that's an ungodly waste of resources.

I mean, it's a gay idea for people who enjoy being cagefags in the first place, but christ almighty, at least be smart about it.

>>1074511
No pilotis
No ribbon windows
No roof gardens
No aircraft runways
No poetic/allegorical/geometric relationship between layout, neighborhood and human body
No boxer

Corb dissaproves

>>1074501
>>1074507

The absolute madman:

>in b4 is that a blimp train?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1j2TJCoQU

>>1067793
>RIP United Streetcar

>>1074502
You mean toll lanes?
We need more of them.

>>1074759
Not accurate because when I ride public transportation I avoid sitting next to people at all costs. Talking to them is worse than death.

>>1074759
That's one of the most retarded transportation ideas I have ever seen. A simple elevated train would have done all of that presented in the video, that hovercraft thing looks like a massive waste of resources, won't be any faster than a conventional train, and is unnecessarily complex for what it is. That whole youtube channel is full of keks.

>>1074511
HATE this

>>1068354
>the white guy with the stroller giving the disgusted look to the sandnigger

>>1074759
what's his fucking problem

http://www.amny.com/news/subway-upgrade-contest-from-cuomo-to-pay-3m-to-anyone-who-can-fix-signal-issues-1.13658588

Any "geniuses" here?

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>>1075441
>http://www.amny.com/news/subway-upgrade-contest-from-cuomo-to-pay-3m-to-anyone-who-can-fix-signal-issues-1.13658588

Sorry, but the shit needs to be replaced.

>>1075441
It doesn't take geniuses and there's no shortcut.

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The Diverging Diamond Interchange is fucking retarded. Creating a mess to solve a mess. Someone actually thought this was a good idea?

>>1075659
fuck I hate these things

I constantly feel like I'm going in the wrong direction at all times

>>1075659
It doesn't create a mess. The two signals would be there anyway with a regular diamond. The major disadvantage is that it's terrible if the road has significant thru traffic, because both directions can't proceed at the same time. If the majority of traffic is joining or leaving the freeway, it's much faster than a regular diamond as there's only a single light and both directions can join OR leave at the same time. Also it allows u-turns on the freeway without any lights.

>>1075659
>>1075698
My city has three DD's now, more on the way, and they really do work well in my experience - more traffic goes through with fewer opportunities for conflict than with the paired stoplights they replaced. And as a bonus, the new DD's in my city have bike lanes that make those intersections much more pleasant for the cyclist to navigate.

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>>1075659
Now add a LRT line down the center.

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>>1075777
Could have gone full meme and cross the tracks as well :^)

>>1069462
Hey idiot. I'm from New Jersey. We have our LRVs (they were literally the last streetcars, we used the streetcars for 40? or so years before we upgraded them to LRVs and now Super LRVs). This works, it does all of this, and unlike your borderline autistic rants, it is practical and cheap.

The LRV to SLRV model is proven, scales well, and cheap to set up. Please stop pushing the metro meme, even Knki Sharyo makes a metro that can also be a LRV that can also be a streetcar, Bombardier does, hell, Alstom does, spoiler alert unless its super narrow like the first generation midwestern systems the sheer weight of a dedicated 700VDC or greater makes it useless for all but the larger cities. Please stop being autistic and someone who has clearly never dealt with planning or America.

Your posts are a damn cancer and you need to stop and get the hell out.

>>1069660
PATH is a typical heavy rail train. PATH is the smallest US heavy rail system, and the power PATH uses alone was almost something (and hell it DID go bankrupt the rail system that built it, and if you don't think the US abandons rail, the PA train cars that became the core of the New England rail system say hi. Heavy rail cars simply do not make sense for 90% of applications, and mind you, PATH was in hyper dense New Jersey/New York. I could in theory see Seattle upgrading to dedicated heavy cars by 2030 or so, and MAX cars are so damn huge and heavy they might as well be heavy rail, they are bizarre little DMUs

>>1075793
Also I was wrong, PR has a smaller heavy rail system, and THAT is why heavy rail makes no damn sense for start ups unless they were going to start with the airport. If you aren't building an Airport to Downtown link (which will get hits just from tourists alone) then you could have saved a LOT of money and effort by building lighter rail cars.

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>>1075659
>>1075698
>>1075700
>>1075702
>>1075777
Single Point Urban Interchange is still superior.

>>1069508
Jersey City/Hoboken/NewarkPATH, Hudson Bergen Light Rail/Newark Light Rail, Boston, Red/Orange/Blue line vs green Line, Los Angeles, Red and purple vs all the other light rail and Philadelphia, city subway vs trolleys, are I want to say the 5 US systems that have all 5 major forms of public transit (metro, light rail, heavy rail, ferry)

>>1075826
Right, but in a lot of those cities (Boston, LA at least off the top of my head) the light rail and heavy rail lines are all part of the same system (the T/Metro Rail), with unified fare structure, so the inconvenience of transferring between the different modes is no more than you'd have normally. On the other hand, streetcar systems frequently exist in addition to light/heavy rail as separate systems, but no one really has a serious heavily used streetcar system because they're all memes running in mixed traffic

>>1075883
Again, as Donald trump would say, Wrong, the T is literally a old school street sharing streetcar that's hyper heavily used, the DART is a hyper heavily used streetcar, and the HBLR is heavily used. Hell, Path fare medium is nothing like NJtransits unifed fare medium for example, yet a common transfer is NJT to PATH for the final ride to New York City.


Again, are you an idiot, or have you never ever looked at the data, and are mad that the US is avoiding heavy rail boondoggles

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>>1075804
even better

>>1075964
Whose idea was this

>>1075967
This thing is actually safer than a conventional intersection would be.

>>1075951
Light Rail and streetcars aren't the same thing. Modern streetcars are complete wastes of federal matching funds and are more often than not political vanity projects. In Seattle, Link (LR) is great and has high ridership, but the two streetcar lines are slow and get stuck in traffic. Often slower than walking.

You also have me confused with another anon. I'm light metro guy.

>>1072023
No way! He's the archetypical villain of the urban planning world! Jane Jacobs and Ian McHarg our /ourguys/

>>1075967
1970's traffic planners.

>>1076014
Jane Jacobs is dead breh

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>>1068356

To be fair Toronto already is a multikulti dystopian shit-hole so if anything that image is just being realistic.

>>1076014
He's just misunderstood. Repeat after me:

Moses
Did
Nothing
Wrong

>>1075951
>>1075970
Semantics time - /n/ edition.

>>1072023
No, the urban planners of Hong Kong are.

>>1076322
3rd generation new town planners fucked up hard.
Current ones too, because CPC.

>>1076322
>not building moar LRT
SHIT PLANNING IS SHIT
ANY PLANNING WITHOUT LRT IS SHIT

FUCK ALL Y'ALL

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>>1076465
The CPC regime fucked up a left alone old town center on traffic with roads untouched and decides LRT not cars are to be blamed.
Some clueless Legislative Councilor (happens to be former chairman of KCR...) proposed goddamn elevated sections. My my light rail rapid transit is so hard a supposedly well-vested lawmaker can't look elsewhere and learn from Stadtbahn and pre-metro. Out of all things one could do he thought ruining the main street and avenue is a good thing to do. Bus got cucked out hard so no bus lanes too. The whole area is approach peak walkability hell.
New developments are tending towards trams. That's not the whole story, possibly related to the new operator of HK Island tram being Veolia RATP (changed the half a century old logo few days ago). Western foreign influences that kind of bullshit. Paris and France aren't that hostile to PRC anyway.
PRC influence makes shitty battery electric buses on the table. Screw BYD BEVs.
Kai Tak redevelopment got flipped to monorail, killing perhaps the only chance for trams on Kowloon and the former airport. A runway and coastline getting destroyed. The monorail requires a bridge so not even parts of the bay between the runway and mainland (typhoon shelter) and inner city are left alone.

Fuck their shit.

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>>1076735
Go to taipei, the monorail and elevated highways actually work

>>1076819
1. It's not like we don't have the perfect terrain for monorails like Chongqing.
2. Our underground rail works fine.
3. HK's elevated road network and urban highways speak for themsleves in limited space.
Taipei's metro and density are different.

>>1075969
Why, because it's so confusing everyone slows down to make sure they're getting off on the right place?

>>1076989
Similar things frequently happen when you reduce lane sizes which goes against conventional wisdom. Narrower lane sizes can be safer because drivers are more attentive and careful due not wanting to hit anyone.

>>1076989
>>1077545
At the very minimal capacity and safety are prized over speed in urban roads.
Never understand lane widths in North American highways and expressways.

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/pol/ here
why in gods name would something like pic related ever happen

of interest
>>>/pol/127929725

>>1077620

All dipshits defending suburbia because that's where they grew up, unfortunately.

>>1077620
feel free to take my areal shots and repost them if you want.

>>1077622
>implying its not shariablue shills
stick around for a few weeks, the shilling is real. To the point where mods have had to make stickeys about it sometimes.

>>1077620
Nothing on that board is ever of any interest to be honest

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>>1077620
don't worry, just passing through.

>>1076083
They're all dead breh. All of them. All.
>>1076264
>Wanted superhighways running through major urban areas
>did nothing wrong
Sure sure

>>1077619
This looks like SF. It's for the purposes of high density neighborhoods and walkability. They failed to incorporate enough open community space like parks though which would make that look much depressing

>>1068505
>Americans will now spend the next 20 years saying they don't need new highways because of this

>>1077744
We don't need new highways.

>>1077747
>It begins

>>1077773
But not because of Musk's retarded car tunnels.
More highways won't solve congestion.

>>1077619
>>1077734
Feels like too much road space compared to housing.

You'd think you want larger mixed use buildings rather than all of those cramped small structures.

>>1069433
>no traffic calming features
how about you go fuck yourself

>>1077619
>/pol/ here

Post nigs or gtfo

>>1077734
>This looks like SF.
>completely flat

I'll cop to having only visited once, but whatever grid they were trying for was broken up by the terrain in all the places I was.

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What does a neighborhood need to have in order to be livable for your standards?

>>1077828
If you look close, it's definitely not flat, but not SF tier hilly.

>>1077838
>wide sidewalks
>low speed limits
>grocery stores, restaurants, and bars
>narrow storefronts
>good transit connections to the rest of the city
>some greenery and easy access to parks
>low vagrant population
Basically describing my NE Seattle neighborhood here, although there is one stroad that always ends up killing a few pedestrians a year. And transit connections are adequate, but will vastly improve after the light rail extension opens in 2021.

>>1077838

The area that I live in where I go to school is deep in a city and I rather enjoy it.

Things I like:
>mass transit to and from downtown and school available within 7 minute intervals (really big one, effectively don't need a car because of this)
>lots of food, drink, hang out areas within 3 minute walking distance
>pedestrian friendly even with two major one way thoroughfares going through the area
>hospital close by
>park is a 5 minute walk
>bike trail that is at separate grade from rest of neighborhood
>24/7 restaurant
>trees lining the streets
Possibly controversial opinions inbound:
>street is "active" with pedestrian life and not dead
>mix of old and new architecture that meet the street wall
>a few high rises close by (i just like my cities with skyscrapers, don't ask me why)

Stuff I wish it had:
>an affordable grocery store within a 5 minute walk or by a thoroughfare with frequent mass transit
We have a Whole Foods and that's a 2 minute walk. I tried it for a month but it's fucking expensive as all hell and not worth it.
>a Walgreens/CVS general store set up within walking distance
Got two that are a 3 minute bus ride but I think the area could support one at the base of an apartment complex that would make it a 2 minute walk.
>an "urban" Best Buy, movie theater or bookstore
I do miss just browsing a single store for electronics or other goodies. Not even necessarily a suburban box store, but a scaled down version where I don't have to take a 25 minute bus ride to a massive store.

>>1077838
Natural lighting
Enough public use area
24-7 catering, shops and long opening hohrs of some other services
24-7-365 transportation services to majpr nearby area
Close to major international airport woth sufficient trans continental service amd also close to ports
Electricity water and internet supply
In a growing economy
Have to have excessively low crime rate
A familiar language is dominant in the neighbor
Culture

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>>1077838
If your street doesn't have vintage looking street lights you're basically living in a third world country.

>>1078416
What if they're not vintage looking but actually old as shit?

>>1077861
Being careful here. This Anon is also a NE Seattle resident.

>density causes traffic congestion
how can people be this retarded

>>1077838
Wide roads
Plenty of parking
No annoying neighbours
No streets noise
A big box store withing 20 min driving distance

>>1079049
>posting horrifyingly terrible cager-based urban planning on /n/

you've got the wrong board senpai

>>1077838
Here's what I currently have.
>cheap housing
>quick access to university and workplace
>good access to public transport
>quick connections to the city center and central station
>green areas and quick access to a nature reserve
>biking and walking infrastructure
>fast food
>doctors and a pharmacy
Here's what it currently lacks:
>A supermarket or grocery store with acceptable prices and choices within walking distance
>night life
>biking infrastructure that makes sense

>>1079076
>>1079049
> wide roads
For pedestrians, wide streets. Wide roads elevated/underground or just behind the shores after a park or at least a promenade with cycling paths.
>Plenty of parking
In a multi-storey car park. Plenty of bike parking.
> No annoying neighbours
Living in a flat
> No streets noise
Upstairs in an apartment of tower or a house in a quiet neighborhood village/town.
> A big box store withing 20 min driving distance
Outlet sure. Shops at ground-level in 0-min walking distance.

>>1079109
> Wide roads elevated/underground
Sunken and covered counts.
> shores
Substitute for whatever nature and landscape at the place. Green and blues.

>>1077592
Low
Quality
Bait

lurker here. anyone recommend some interesting books about infrastructure, cities, or other /upg/ books?

>>1067758
Lol ive read an article on that in architzer a couple of weeks ago, i keked hard

>>1079238
Why would you even reply to that?

>>1079333
That Jane Jacobs book
Jarrett Walker's book

>>1079333
https://www.amazon.com/Gridlock-Were-Stuck-Traffic-About/dp/1935308238
Gridlock: Why We're Stuck in Traffic and What to Do About It

The author's blog is pretty good too. http://ti.org/antiplanner/

Thanks guys.

>>1079333
Portion of an email I got from my urban planning program.

A note from from the MURP faculty
We often get the question, "What should I read to get ready for graduate school?" Urban planning is a diverse field, so no two planning faculty will give you the same answer for that question. That said, here is a list of the 10 books that focus on urban planning that you can read to help get you started in the fall. Most if not all of these books should be available at a public library. We promise, no tests on these, but check them out if you are interested and have the time.

Campanella, Thomas J. 2012. The Concrete Dragon: China’s Urban Revolution and What it Means for the World. Princeton, NJ: Princeton Architectural Press.

Desmond, Matthew. 2016. Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City. New York: Crown.

Hall, Peter. 2001. Cities of Tomorrow: An Intellectual History of Urban Planning and Design in the Twentieth Century. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing.

Hirt, Sonja. 2014. Zoned in the USA: The Origins and Implications of American Land-Use Regulation. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.

Jacobs, Jane. 1961. The Death and Life of Great American Cities. New York: Random House.

Kahn, Matthew E. 2006. Green Cities: Urban Growth and the Environment. Washington, DC: Brookings Institution Press.

Lynch, Kevin. 1960. The Image of the City. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

Mumford, Lewis. 1961. The City in History: Its Origins, Its Transformations, and Its Prospects. New York: Harcourt, Brace & World.

Sandercock, Leonie. 2003. Cosmopolis II: Mongrel Cities in the 21st Century. New York: Continuum.

Thomas, June Manning. 1997. Redevelopment and Race: Planning a Finer City in Postwar Detroit. Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press.

book request anon here. something to throw back at you from /g/

Networks of New York: An Illustrated Field Guide to Urban Internet Infrastructure

>>1075441
I guess I don't understand the problem. If you just need to know a trains position relative to other trains then why wouldn't some simple radio communication be usable. Presumably you could use the information from the current fixed block signaling to know when two trains are within a few of these blocks of each other then get their current rate of travel to determine where they are at in their block and an appropriate course of action...

>>1078946
Well that's just gravy.

whp's gonna get the last seat?

For whomever who have read about it, what do you guys thibk about the transport report released by Hong Kong government a few days ago?

>>1075441
>>1079592
>The Challenge will pay $1 million each to any three experts from around the world who can pitch ways to more quickly update MTA track signals; repair or replace aging train cars; and expedite the rollout of more modern amenities to the subway system.

Surely they can replace aging train cars more quickly ..... it is just money issue... If they have extra moneys to hold such challenge then why don't they use the money to buy train cars?

>>1080110
Train cars cost more than 3 mil

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>>1078416
>>1078946
Get on my level. This is from 1878

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>>1080165
1889

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>>1080166
1906.

These were already designed for electric light (as you can tell from the design: The lamp hangs down, with gas that wouldn't be possible).

>>1080165
>>1080166
ugly

>>1080168
nice

>>1080108
Trash. Perpetuating hegemony of MTRCL, minibus and taxi. Preparing HK for 689 CPC's vision in HK2030+ and East Lantau Metropolis.
Source: Hong Konger.

>>1080108
>>1080870
And don't make me start on the plan to single-track and make Yuen Long main street (Castle Peak Road) a loop for the NWNT LRT.

>>1077838
>/comfy/ housing
>train station
>shops 15 minute walk away

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>>1077838
>good internet
>urban public transport, preferably rail one, high frequency
>quiet street, at least some green in the area, clean air
>easy access to shops
>affordable
These are must-haves. Anything else I can bear, I think.
The only thing I am lacking right now is good internet.

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>>1077838
Density (height limits need not apply)
Cheap housing
Nearby access to goods
Liveliness
Low crime
High-speed internet
Clean water and basic needs
Lots of public transit

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http://twistedsifter.com/2017/05/subway-maps-compared-to-their-actual-geography/

Subway maps being transformed from their actual distance/shapes to the appearance on maps. Pretty cool.

>>1082284
You are like a month late.

>>1067758
>babbies first foot outside of middle of nowhere, flyover statia

>>1067993
>>1067994
come to cities in northern europe, i've seen these exact strees in trondheim and amsterdam

>>1075964
its like a fixed whirlwind, where traffic intersects by desorientation.

>>1077619
murica, fuck yeah

>>1082335
???

>>1075789
is this not a france to england border crossing??

>>1082701
Doesn't look like a sea bottom to me.

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>>1082701
Actually French trains outside Alsace-Lorraine run on the left track.

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>tfw the only reason this isn't up already is because the chinese are unwilling to approve it
fuck

>>1071695
This guy gets it

>>1071695
Weak bait, must try harder.

>>1082863
Screw this and screw the PRC.
You know something's up when it's down to the CPC to reject it.

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>>1082284

>nearly 30 Chinese metropolitan areas virtually jumpstarted their public transport systems in the span of 2 decades, eclipsing nearly all major US cities in the civilization equivalent of a short afternoon nap

GOD DAMN IT FUCKING USA STEP THE FUCK UP WE'RE GETTING LEFT IN THE DUST

>>1069660

Responding to an old post here, but posting for my own future copypasta. Feel free to critique/call me a faggot.

The "lightest" rails are streetcars, essentially a bus on rails.

>at grade and run on the city grid
>typically no right of ways and conform to traffic laws like a car does
>comparatively low capacity
>bus-like frequency comparative to a bus in the area
>station architecture at every stop and is basically a high quality bus station
>used less for transport benefit and more so for permanent rail line benefits
(Shops and high density residential units are more apt to invest in an area with a permanent rail line versus a bus)

Light-rails are a step up.

>usually still at grade
>usually have right of ways, don't have to worry about traffic, significantly faster
>larger stock with a higher capacity
>bus-like frequency
>large station platforms
>generally reliable transportation option, higher quality stock can be enticing to middle class users
I see most US cities stopping here in the next 50 years.

Commuter rail

>sometimes at grade, sometimes separate grade in denser urban areas
>strict right of ways
>very high capacity, high quality stock (comfortable seats, cleaner)
>usually VERY low frequency (Chicago Metra averages every ~40 minutes morning/evenings, once or twice throughout the day)
>massive station platforms often with dedicated buildings to wait in
>reliable strict transportation benefits
Commuter rail is usually left over from existing rail laid in earlier to mid 20th century

Heavy rail, the whole ball of wax

>vast majority is at separate grade
>strict right of ways
>ultra high capacity (large stock w/ high frequency, usually aging stock though)
>ultra high frequency (New York subways in midtown average every ~2 minutes @rush hour)
>station platforms also at separate grade
>generally reliable
Confined to major US cities, with only the densest cities having expansive, integrated systems.

>>1082863
for once i agree with the CPC, that thing would be a fucking eyesore wherever you build it

>>1082985
as if cagers would allow it.

>>1082985
The automotive industry is like 20% of America's GDP. You start doing things like 'public infrastructure' and the automotive firms will go out of business, and since they own 20% of the US government, it's no surprise why public transit in the US is shit. Not to mention that they actually gutted what public transport existed and invented suburbs just to sell cars.

>>1082863
>>1083002
Podium development on a rail station complex is the real deal.
Still an eyesore when implemented poorly, as I look at those approved and built up already.

>>1082985
>>1083004
>>1083025
>> nearly 30 Chinese metropolitan areas virtually jumpstarted their population (density) in the span of 2 decades, eclipsing nearly all major US cities in the civilization equivalent of a short afternoon nap
> GOD DAMN IT FUCKING USA STEP THE FUCK UP WE'RE GETTING LEFT IN THE DUST
Meanwhile: Immigrants.

>>1082995
Heavy rail =/= metro =/= rapid transit
The term light rail is confusing enough. Calling something heavy rail in lieu of the proper name worse still.
These day I just call light rail (transit) LRT to be done with the semantics.
Commuter rail is one (conventional) way to implement suburban rail - on mainline rail. The rapid transit version is S-Bahn or Japanese metro-train through service.
When I see US LRT and commuter rail it makes me think about interurbans and European/Japnese rural railcars or short DMU/EMUs. Different approaches.

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>>1083051
>>1082979
They even got to digging the foundations, only to be delayed construction and have it turned into a fish farm

>>1082979
- This is fking Changsha not Shanghai
- Look at the proposal, lowest floors are school and nurseries? Top 40 fliirs are all restaurants? Doesn't sound good
>>1083051
But this is not on rail station?

>>1082284
It is not actual distance/shape. See Hong Kong as example

>>1083100
Picture and link are unrelated.

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>>1083099
Here's the proposal

>>1082979
Checked some online reports....
It seems like the design haven't gone though firesafety approval before they start digging the hole to construct it...
Also commentaries on Xinhua make it seems like they don't want developers to compete for the title of first in the world in term of building height...
But apparently a mini concept proof version have been made, they used the proposed method to constructed a 57 floors height building in 19 days...

>>1083099
Well it can be.
Was talking about ones in my city.

>>1083258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veNf-bz99cI

Even the 57 floor one was delayed for a while to get approvals, and was cut down from 97 floors because of a nearby airport. The 19 days only includes the actual erection time from ground level to topping out. It does not include the time for foundations, or for finishing the cladding and interior fit out.

New thread edition ideas?

>>1083811
idea: make a new one

>>1081377
just go to the asia brother

New thread: >>1083852

>>1082995
railbus?