Maritime General /mg/

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Pilot took these ones

What kind of propulsion do your tugs have?

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>>1057428
all three of ours are traditional twin screw

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>>1057447
took this while we were on the hip

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>previously told that I need to recertify on Blinker Light before I can be issued my license
>get an email from the NMC telling me that I had 30 days to complete one last certification or my license application would be voided
>5 days ago get an email saying my license had been approved
>and then one saying it had been issued and was in the mail
>mfw I still have not gone down to redo blinker light

Okay now I'm just confused. Do I still have to do the stupid morse code thing or not?

>>1057492
Do it, and inform them of the error. You risk them catching their error and revoking your license.

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>>1057418
>More tugboats edition

I can get into this. Seems like 90% of us are on small boats.

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>>1057497
how are those Moran tractors on the inside? comfy?

>>1057713
Never worked on one, but yeah, they're beamy and berths are late and comfy.

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"They have in Japan the biggest ships you’ve ever seen pouring cars into Los Angeles, pouring them in. I’ve never seen anything like it." - President Trump

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>>1057496
As it turns out, it was all bureaucracy shit. I did the morse code stuff, and picked up my license that day. It still feels so fucking weird to actually see

>The lawful holder of this credential,
>ANON
>as endorsed beloew, is entitled under Title 46(Shipping), U.S. Code to serve in the capacity or capacties specified (national only), subject to any limitations indicated.

>Capacity: Third Mate of Self-Propelled Vessels Not Including Auxiliary Sail of Unlimited Tonnage Upon Oceans

in my hands. I didn't think I'd actually make it this far.

>>1058151
This leads me to another question: MM&P or MEBA mates?

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Wing in Groundeffect is the future of ferry transportation.

>>1058151
Nice blog faggot.

>>1058266
Nah. Until they can operate in heavy seas, WIG are dead in the water.

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18,000 horsepower worth of boats

>>1058349
They also can't take transport cars.

>>1058450

WIG's only make sense when you get huge, like bigger than the Caspian Sea Monster huge. Ride height is dictated by wing size/geometry so you need to go big to avoid large waves in the ocean. Once they get that big though, everything is golden, as they can carry decent freight

>>1058630

The only thing is at that size you can have a conventional ferry carrying significantly more

>>1058638
Speed.

Ferrys take forever in alaska.

A WiG ferry would cut travel time down.

>>1058662

Ferry's take forever, everywhere.

Few people are actually going to ship heavy freight at premiums you would find for a WiG.

Even a big WiG would only useful for passengers and small mail packages.

>>1058748
WiG for people and their cars.

If it doesn't cost more than air travel + rental car costs. Then I would pay for it.

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random question, but do any of you play ship simulator?

>>1059370
Here's a backhand right back at you. Have you done any training in a ship simulator? The whole bridge and kit n caboodle? Those things are fun. You can actually get off balance when they simulate a beam sea on the screens, even though you're on a solid concrete floor

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How does taxation of seafarers work in the US? I am thinking about making a move there from Denmark in the future, but my current salary is tuned to danish seafarers being income tax exempt.
Will I be able to move from Europe to the land of the free without getting the shit taxed out of me?

>>1059689
It's based on the state you live in, I'm pretty sure. US ships are technically American soil for the purposes of US laws, so you don't get taxed at the rate for people working in a different country. So, where-ever you throw down roots make sure you pick a state without income-tax.

>>1057421
why is there nowhere for people to walk?

>>1059703
?
There's a catwalk down the midline of the ship, and nonskid black paths down the bulwarks.

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>>1059689
I'm not entirely sure on the exact limits because it doesn't apply to me, but a US merchant Mariner working overseas (which I assume is outside US territorial waters) is tax exempt up to $80,000.

I, along with most people in this thread I assume, work coastwise. In the US, you owe three different income taxes: Federal, State, and Town. The federal tax is bracketed, pic related. An income of $100,000 would incur about $18,000 of taxes. No escaping that. There are seven states that have no income tax: Alaska,Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, Wyoming, South Dakota, and New Hampshire. Town taxes vary. If you own land, you'll also have real estate taxes. Money is also witheld for social security and Medicare

All in, with $100,000 example for ease, you can expect a take home of $65,000-$75,000 depending on state and town. If you're working coastal.

>>1059716
Ya but why isn't it like a huge platform that you can put stuff on?

>>1059733
Because it's a tanker and you wouldn't be carrying anything heavy on that catwalk?

>>1059737
you're a tanker

>>1059701
>>1059733
I'd be staying at my company, sailing globally. I doub't i will go on one of their US-flagged ships unless I become a citizen.

>>1059733
On a tanker, you want as much of the piping on deck as possible. Easier to maintain, inspect, repair and replace. Downside is that it restricts movement on deck. Gotta work around that.

>>1059739
excellent counterpoint, sir

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Check out muh whip

>>1059722
>but a US merchant Mariner working overseas (which I assume is outside US territorial waters) is tax exempt up to $80,000
>t. Marty Kapp

You got a source for that?

>>1059873
I assume they're talking about "Foreign Income Exclusion", which if you quickly glance at the IRS website, does not cover work on International Waters. Plus you'd have to be outside the US for 330 days of the year.

There are always schemes, like trying to deduct the value of all your meals on the ship. There are threads on the terrible failure of all these schemes on gCaptain.

I count myself lucky that South Carolina hasn't tried to pursue state income taxes from me, since I *legally* moved to Florida as soon as I got a sailing job.

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>>1059758
That's not a boat, this is a boat.

>>1060015

I just saw a boat that looked eerily like that half submerged.

>>1060008
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Researched it a little more, and realized I was mistaken. I think I was repeating this after having heard it from my friends that work for MSC (military sealift command, US civilian ships contracted to resupply Navy vessels). I think they're allowed to take the tax exemption.

>>1060015
a boat carries shit in a compartment that displaces water, not on top of said compartment. that's a raft

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They found the wreck in Grenada's waters

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She wasn't the cleanest before she went down 3.5weeks ago

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I had seen a photo of one of the divers holding a sack of eddos (similar to a potato) in good condition but I can't seem to locate them.

>>1060239
>emergency lights still burning

That's creepy as shit.

>>1060246
good to see the hydrostatic release worked on that liferaft

>>1060270

There's a reason why we are a flag of convenience. There will be no investigation in any shape or form. Even if someone claims negligence they'd be like "our investigators can't dive".

>>1060165
I work for MSC as well, also not the case for us.

>>1060246
What happens to the wreck? Will it be salvaged or left there?

>>1060270
What does that mean?

>>1060409

It will be left there. Most commercial wrecks like these are never salvaged or recovered even if they are right in the harbour.

The equipment required for these weights are not on hand and when teams are brought it it's really not worth it.

The ships are usually already on the brink of scrap so it's cheaper just to buy a 1st world reject and run that for another couple decades.

>>1060410

The raft is supposed to open up on submersion. I have a feeling that they deactivated it because decks in this region are often all awash but I can't say for sure.

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>>1060409
>>1060423

This is a wreck on the most popular tourist island in our archipelago. Any sail boat that passes on the Lee of the island, which is a popular choice for comfort, will happen upon this view.

If this is not ordered cleared, nothing will.

I like it desu

>>1060423
> I have a feeling that they deactivated it because decks in this region are often all awash but I can't say for sure.

that deck is just aft of the wheelhouse, I don't think it's supposed to be awash lol

>>1060489

>Supposed to be

Like I say, I can't be sure, but I can ask the guys why it didn't release.

We have been getting small craft warnings on average 2 days a week since January and some of my comrades come back in saying that it is really difficult out there

>>1060423
>>1060489

The hydrostatic release should require a significant amount of pressure, if they activated just from getting wet, they'd be no good at all.

It's really disconcerting how many failures we've been seeing of supposedly foolproof lifesaving appliances.

>he's never been pooped

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Another ore carrier went down.

http://gcaptain.com/very-large-ore-carrier-stellar-daisy-believed-sunk-in-south-atlantic/

MV Stellar Daisy, 2 survivors, 22 missing.

hoping there are some engineers on here

studying, got a class test coming up in a few days

one of the possible questions is this;
A ship's bus bars are fed by 2 identical generator sets. (Generator No.1 and Generator No. 2). The Generator No.3 is under repairs and cannot be used.
i. A duty engineer mistakenly shut the fuel to Generator No.1. Write down the sequence of events that can take place if the total load cannot be handled by No.2 Generator.

ii. A duty engineer mistakenly disconnects excitation to the Generator No.1 Rotor. Write down the sequence of events that can take place.

Please note your answer should be in chronological order. If there is more than one possibility write all of them with the end result.

googling these questions just brings up shore based answers (lots of Hydro) was hoping someone on here could either point in a good direction or throw down some dot points.

cheers.

>>1060593
i got a rough idea for i.
so, fuel gets cut;
1. prime mover starts to slow due to no fuel
2. AVR senses loss of voltage
3. boosts excitation to keep voltage steady
4. prime mover keeps slowing down
5. AVR can't keep voltage high enough as prime mover is now too slow
6. CB opens due to (i think) undervoltage trip)
7. all the load jumps onto the other generator
8. preferential trips starting opening cutting power to non essential services
9. either this sheds the load enough until that generator can handle it, or if not that generator will start to slow under the load, and trip, causing a black out.


but for ii. i got no idea. asking friends n stuff but yeah, finding a decent ship based source is proving hard.

with loss of excitation, the rotor will still be spinning at its normal RPM. what happens to the stator? is it now drawing power from the grid?

>>1060605
for ii i found;
1. excitation loss in #1
2. gen #1 runs as an induction generator
3. gen #1 draws excitation kVAr from #2 gen
4. currents in both rapidly rise
5. #2 with a lagging and #1 with a leading power factor
6. loss of excitation will trip #1 (if fitted) or overcurrent will trip causing #2 to be overloaded
7. alternatively #2 trips on overcurrent which deprives #1 of excitation and it trips on undervoltage
8 result, total power failure.

>>1058662
What about corrosion and unseen floating debris on landing/takeoff?

>>1060541
This boat (Stellar Daisy) sank yesterday, they think water got in thru a crack, liquified the ore cargo, then she split and rolled over, taking 22 of the 24 crew with her.

:/ must have been a decent fucking crack :/ christ

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I'm currently exploring historical shipping, much respect for the mighty old clippers and windjammers.

>>1061220
if others have time I would much recommend investigating the Kindly light sailed by lewis anderson
The most successful Pilot to ever work the bristol channel under sail, both before and after WW1 piloting a record 13 vessels in one week

He was forced to sell her by his competitors a few years after WW1 and join the local Pilot amalgamation working under steam.

>>1061240
http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/472/kindly-light
and her restorer
http://www.transporttrust.com/awards/award/22

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Carolina Coast inbound with barge Sugar Express

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>>1061265
AHS Hamburger outbound

>>1061243

Is your port the sugar hub of the southern states or what?

>>1061319
I wouldn't call it a hub, but they definitely move a lot of sugar through here.

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>no gangs required
aargh

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ATB Freeport

>>1060593
I had a similar thing to i happen to me on a pair of electronically injected cats. Loose connection caused the port side engine to lose the run signal, injection stopped instantly, port engine tripped on reverse power, starboard on overload.

The DM put out another article on the El Faro.

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4404148/IM-A-GONER-El-Faros-hours-ship-sails-storm.html

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#tbt to the Goodyear Blimp in 1931 transferring mail from an ocean liner to the blimp in the Port of Los Angeles. Thank you Los Angeles Department of Water & Power for this piece of history. And although we won't see the blimp for a while, Goodyear is replacing the blimp later this year with a new "blimp" named Wingfoot Two. This new aircraft will be faster, quieter, larger, easier to fly, and more more maneuverable than the blimps it introduced more than 90 years ago!

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>>1063843
blimptrain?

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Did some wakeboarding and swimming today

>>1059722
I have NEVER heard of municipality levying an income tax. You're retarded.

>>1059873
It's pretty standard shit. If you're an American that doesn't live in America you pay no income tax on the firat $80k you make. After that you pay income tax, but you can use any foreign income tax you pay to offset some of that up to an amount.

The USA is really stupid in that regard. Almost no other nation forces their citizens to pay income tax if they're not living there.

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>>1065900
no, u

https://www.thebalance.com/cities-that-levy-income-taxes-3193246

>>1065900
How many other nations will send a c130, 4 rescue swimmers and a frigate if you activate your epirb 1000 miles from shore?

>>1065897
What lake?

>>1065900
>I have NEVER heard of municipality levying an income tax.
Me neither. I live in the communist shithole known as the city of los angeles. If other cities were levying an income tax, the jews of the LA city council wouldnt hesitate to do the same.

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Is ILWU linesman the graviest gig in the maritime industry?

>>1066324
Some do. City of LA has a business income tax rather than a personal one.

>>1066335
It's gotta be Sea Pilot.
>Board ship a few miles out at the sea buoy
>Make a few turns, few easy passing arrangements
>Hand off to docking pilot once inside the harbor
>Waltz off once all the hard work is done
>Pass GO, collect $300,000

I got interested in joining the NYC Sea Pilots, but had already barely passed their age limit, I think it's 25.

>>1066503
I didnt even know that was a job. I knew about port pilots, but i didnt know about sea pilots. So they take control once the ship is in national waters or what?

>>1066606
It differs from Port to Port, state to state and country to country. Differing laws, regulations, and agreements between pilot associations.
Sometimes that Sea(aka Bar) pilot will also dock the ship. Sometimes there are multiple pilots for different areas (Sea>River>Docking).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXlRPlM-dvU
Bump

>>1066503

That's called a "racket"

Can anyone explain what a berth pocket is? Or is this just the same as a berth?

Cheers

Just listened to Gordon Lightfoot's "Edmund Fitzgerald", and I was wondering if anyone of you has ever been in a situation where you truly were afraid onboard.
I remember my first turn onboard on international waters as a Deck Cadet when I was 16.
>crossing the Bay of Biscay
>bound for Tangiers from St.Nazaire
>the weather roughens
>wind 30 knots
>9-10 m waves
>swell 30-35 degrees
>got thrown out of my bunk twice during the night
>OOW legit scared
>VHF traffic filled with panicked french fishermen

Looking back there wasn't even the slightest chance of going under, but at the time I had only sailed on smaller cargo transport ferries in the Finnish archipelago. After the storm faded, I had realised how petrifying it would be to know your ship wont handle the weather conditions.

>Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A

>>1066647
Oh, I'm well aware. And I want *in*

>>1066713

I have been in some bad weather where I thought the boat would sink but it never really affected me, probably because I had a few times before let jesus take the wheel in some other land based situations.

I guess the two times that I came close is once where I got thrown on a tour boat to operate a tour since the director's buddies were on board and I was a good helmsman. It was a run down the docks and jump on the stern as she left kind of deal. Got half an hour in and realized I had no fuel after the one engine coughed to death. I let myself get too preoccupied with the guests to check up on the important shit. Thought I would have lost the job but thankfully the boss understood the situation.

And another time where we got caught off gaurd by a major gust on a sail cruiser that put the 80ft monohull at a 70 degree heel. Clients got hurt, had to swing back for crew who fell overboard. The concerning part is that I was on the windward and thought that I was going to hit shit on the way down but I managed to hold on to the shroud.

>>1066995

But how can a pilot have an entrance age maximum so low? I would think that the pilots were to be knowledgeable seasoned old salts who know almost nothing other than their port?

>>1067043
That was for the Sandy Hook pilots, who only take ships from the sea buoy to the very mouth of the harbor. Incredible racket. They only take guys young because they have a long 'training' process.
Iirc, you spend one year as a deckhand in their pilot boat, one year as the mate, one year as the master, one year riding ships, one year as an apprentice, then they finally cut you loose as some small share pilot, and you spend the next while building up to full share pilot.

If I do make a move into piloting, the next bet would be one of the docking pilot associations. They are more in tune with your idea, the vast majority are old tug captains that spent 20-30 years on tugboats before moving up as an apprentice pilot.

>>1067256

Talking about rackets. Every fuel ship that moors up too offload in our country is required a pilot and all that is for is to take the ship from a heavily trafficked shipping channel into a totally empty massive deep water bay.

There is nothing to hit, nothing to avoid, nothing to co-ordinate. Apparently they just go on board and sit silently in the chair and hop off when everything is done. Even the ship's crew is the ones who communicate with the mooring team because the pilot is a cuck who probably doesn't know how to use a radio.

Interesting video about Northwest Passage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDwtO4RWmo

>>1067256
>small share pilot, and you spend the next while building up to full share pilot.
I've never heard "full share" used outside of fishing. Is it just an old term, or are they actually splitting money?

>>1067288

Maybe in reference to their level of piracy?

>>1067288
I can't speak to all pilot associations, but around here they pool their income and split it. New guys start around 1/8 share, then move to 1/4, 1/2, and full share once they've or proved themselves/gained seniority.

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>>1067279
Yeah, I've run into that bullshit, too. Anchored outside of Wilmington, Delaware and heading to the oil berth in there. I have recency up and down the Delaware, but need to bring a Christina River pilot on board to get to the oil berth, which is at the very mouth of the river, less than a mile away from where we're anchored. Grade A absurdity, pic related.

Eh, fuck it. I'll see if Holland-America is hiring.

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Champion III
really strange looking thing
That wheelhouse must get really hot during the summer

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>>1068556

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>>1068557

>>1068495
K, man. You uh, do you.

>>1068558
Looks rad.

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>>1068556

>Must get really hot

Open the windows

Pic: We might only be going 9 miles on a calm day but anything larger than a pickup needs chaining. These old round belly Fjord boats go 35 degrees even on calm days and water comes through that port side door next to the truck.

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>>1068954

Observe the patchwork

They're pretty old.

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>>1060015
Sup

>>1066713
Small container vessel in a quartering sea about two days out from our next port. We were rolling up to 40 degrees at worst. I was alone on watch in the ER and out of the corner of my eye I saw the domestic hydrophore move. The thing held about 800 kg of water at 7 bar, and was mostly supported by two turnbuckles from the deckhead. One had broken, and it was just sitting on the edge of the three feet underneath. That had me really nervous until we got in

>>1060015
Theyre both boats and personally I'd rather own his.

>>1069144
>IMG_20160416

I'm guessing there hasnt been much progress since.

This shit is fucking up my program. Anyone else affected?

https://www.porttechnology.org/news/drewry_examines_chinas_port_congestion_chaos

>>1069547

What do you do on the docks? I am asking out of curiosity.

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Early morning arrival of the NYK Meteor. Photo by Port of Los Angeles employee Capt. Joe Mayer, Los Angeles Pilot Service.

>>1069549
>I am asking out of curiosity.
Why did you feel the need to add this? Now I'm not gonna answer.

>>1069558

Because I am trying to spy on you.

But for real, English is not my first language and I am not accustomed to American culture so I tend to say odd things.

>>1069558
>>1069583

Nevermind. I see you started a truckerfag thread, so I will just assume you drive a yard mule.

>>1069585
Weirdo.

>>1068955
I am so fond of mid century ship aesthetics. Today's commercial ships are...well, curves are expensive

>>1069558
still on your high horse, eh?

>>1069558
Post your pay stub.

lol the samefagging loser is back

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>>1069546
Since you asked so nicely...
Interior is mostly finished save for a couple of snagging bits.

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the two girls tied up at the port waiting on a ship

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>>1070511

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>>1070514
Before we tied up we assisted Kirby's ATB Teresa, then had an hour and a half before the pilot boarded a Spliethoff cargo ship

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On the helideck of a pipelay vsl

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M/V Cape Rise, just deactivated after an ROS-5 Turbo Activation.

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>>1071579
Her two sister ships, the Cape Race...

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>>1071581
...and the Cape Ray, that ship that handled the Syrian chemical weapons disposal a few years back.

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>when the tug wants to fuck off earlier than you do

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Gonna buy a boat. Probably a planing dinghy just to blast around on lakes, but I'm fat and a standard Laser wouldn't be enough to transport my lard around at speed.

What would be a good choice? MegaByte looks good, as does the Laser 2 but a trapeze and 3 sails is a big step up, even though it's ballertime.

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>tfw brand new second hand ferry

>>1072298
2000 is a lot of sail for one person to handle, especially if you're relatively inexperienced. Just get a Laser, they're everywhere and you can get a Rooster 8.1 rig if you need more speed for your fat ass. All that hiking you'll have to do will probably help you lose weight anyway.

>>1072310
new to you, at least!

>>1059637
i'm not that guy but i never considered ship simulators must exist... i'm on the ones in the sky

>>1072946
ship simulator is very autistic fun

>>1072967
He means the actual full-bridge simulators you see at training schools.

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some photos from the past week or so

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>>1073534

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I didn't realise this was a thread. I've got a few pictures from my last time on board. I'm qualified, but I decided the life wasn't for me, so I went back to university.

Looking to become a shipbroker now. If any of them ever get back to me.

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This was a tanker, off the west coast of Africa. Going from Nigeria to Rotterdam usually.

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Crazy squall from off the coast of Senegal. It went from force 2 to force 10 in about thirty seconds.

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And this isn't really a ship picture, but I thought it was interesting.

Triple 18s.

>>1074402
oil I assume?

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>>1074467
Yep. Though I did my cadetship on bulkers, panamax and some capesize. Basically something like >>1060541

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>#cheeky

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I dont know what this is called but apparently it captures the exhaust from the ship if it can't plug in to shore power.

>>1060239
Wait is that red light still on from when it sank?

>>1060605
Your rough idea for number 1 is actually more correct for 2. Synchronous motors rely on the rotating speed to determine frequency and excitation of the windings to regulate voltage. What's interesting is that because the current is oscillating, all generators connected together electrically are actually coupled to the same frequency by the generators (regardless of what the prime movers do). Long story short, reverse power trip and the second generator will likely trip on overload.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GRk_qJxaxh8

>>1075336
Probably an emergency lantern, they run off a separate 12v battery

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high winds yesterday had us towing a vessel out of its berth

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From this morning

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>>1077138

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New cranes being delivered.

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Busy day at "The Green"

>>1066713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf_8Sttzcds

I'm always inspired by the bravery and camaraderie of the Arthur Anderson crew to head back out into that storm in an older and inferior vessel to the one that was sunk before even managing a distress call.

The lakes are not a joke.

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So, any salt water /sail/ action here?

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Anyone with merchant marine experience? College isn't for me. I live inland in CA and have no ship experience whatsoever. Is it possible to get a job without academy or experience? Any advice on joining? I've watched films and read up on it and the solitude and hard work out at sea appeals to me. I just don't really know where to start. Any info helps, thanks a bunch in advance.

>>1079163
Start getting seatime right now.

>>1079193
Not him but what's the rush?

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>>1078828

>Salt water

Ain't no lakes around here big enough to even put an RC boat in.

>>1079198
Sooner you start making your way towards a 3 year unlimited AB the better. Preferably he'd start near coastal/open water on the ocean or Great Lakes, but if I were looking to break into the industry I would not turn down barge jobs on the Columbia or Mississippi system.

>>1079260
Is there any downsides to barge? I'm the guy u responded to and am also looking to start. Should I go for blue water if I can? Also how the fuck can I get in the engine room without taking classes

>>1079276
well to get in an engine room you can get hired as a deckhand and in your downtime (there will be plenty) go bother the wipers and engineer. As a deckhand, even if you dont have your STCW (aka firefighting), you're expected to know every hold of the vessel in case of an emergency. just get a TWIC and you'll be on your way.

barges are hard work, but you'll become extremely proficient at a lot of the basics and get used to the liveaboard lifestyle. also, they'll hire fucking anyone, which is both good and bad. some of the world's best ship handlers are on the inland waterways of the USA, so if you think there's a future for yourself behind the wheel that's a great place to start.

>>1079283
Already got my TWIC, getting my MMC after vacation. Should I bother with the gulf or is that completely dead right now. Also, why is ur opinion on tugs?

>>1079276
For what it's worth, I landed a job with no experience at a small tug and barge outfit and they threw me on a boat with basically no training. I was throwing lines, making up to barges, cooking, doing basic engine room stuff, and more from day one. Our full crews are four guys: two deckhands, one mate, and one master. I found the learning curve steep but I survived and 18 months later I'm in good standing.

Waiting for my AB Special with lifeboatman and VPDSD to show up in the mail and then looking for work somewhere else. I'd really like to try non-permanent work (5 month hitches via SIU? Work seasonally on a tall ship? Something with research vessels?) but we'll see, I don't have the best sense of the job market. My original dream was to get on a container ship as an AB but I don't know if that's realistic.

To echo >>1079283, working in tug and barge could be a good way for you to learn the basics, get some seatime, and decide if you want to go farther.

I heard you can go pretty fast when traveling via inflatable boats with engines, but what's average speed on calm waters when going by oar?
I want to do some calculations on google maps.

>>1079252
you'd be surprised at the amount of sailing on the great lakes, but the seas is where it's at.

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>>1079432
>research vessels

Is this just a meme? I've heard people talk about it like its the best job in the industry but nobody ever seems to land it. I wouldn't want to work on a government boat, are there private RV's out there that hire crew with a strictly marine background?

>>1080039
>Is this just a meme
Maybe? I don't know anyone that's done it, I just hear about it online. Have only heard of work through NOAA. Might be interesting, I don't know. It's not at the top of my list of things to do.

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Any of you put in on the LA/Long Beach casual draw?

http://apps.pmanet.org/pubs/casuallist/Casual_Lottery_Disclaimer_and_Sequence_List-Los_Angeles_Long_Beach_6-2-2017.pdf

>tfw my boy got a 3xxx sequence number

>>1080056
I looked into getting on a NOAA vessel. To be an officer, you need to join the NOAA corps and have a science education or get one while training. Pretty frustrating. Don't remember all the specifics though.

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>>1080099

https://youtu.be/ByKJ8pJnabc

Ahhhh, the glory days

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>>1080323

>>1080323
I love that documentary.

I wish I could have been a longie before affirmative action and the Golden decree ruined the job.

>>1080102
Only deck officers

Anybody here know or been to SUNY maritime?? I'm seriously considering it for a deck license.

>>1081378
Just hawsepipe nigga

>>1081378
What do you want the deck license for? Big ships, or tugboats/small vessels? If it's the latter, Maine Maritime has the GOAT small vessel program in the country. If you're looking to get and use a 3/m unlimited, meh, doesn't really matter where you go.
>>1081459
Ignore this. For every hawsepiper that makes it off the deck, there are tens that got discouraged, lazy, or life got in the way.
I can't tell you a cost/benefit analysis, but hawsepiping is definitely a slower road, and you've got to pay and schedule all classes, certifications , and tests on your own. The coast guard does not make it easy, either, purposefully. They want to see Maritime graduates at every level in the industry. Going to an academy is certainly an expense and time investment, but the schools have a great support network helping you out, basically picking up your license on the way out the door after 4 years. Maine Maritimes small boat program has you work summers in the industry, letting you recoup some costs to the tune of $10-15k per summer

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>>1079260
>>1079276
+1 to tug and barge stuff, you'll learn a lot very quickly if you've got the right attitude about it. There's also money to be made in the industry running big offshore tugs or tractors

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>>1082072

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>>1082073

so how does a 700 foot container ship and an american destroy collide in the middle of the open ocean?

>>1082292
very carefully

>>1082292
Won't know for sure until results of an investigation come out. As is usually the case with a Navy/Merchant collision, Into betting on poor communication/leadership on the Fitz. Too many heads in the wheelhouse and nobody willing to deviate from SOP.

Remember, kids, when meeting, crossing, or overtaking naval vessels: "If It's Gray, Stay Away"

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offshore stuff north sea

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Vestbase kristiansund norway

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Mother base

>>1082307
how do you like working in the oil industry?
how much trouble do you have finding work? especially in this market

also are those big underwater construction vessels or the big OSV's 1600 gross ton registered or are they unlimited? once I get my AB i wanna switch to the oil fields to build time on unlimited tonnage vessels, and i really like the scheduling the oil industry boats have

>>1057418
are there any good sources for someone considering boat ownership in the future?

mostly looking for information on things to avoid or seek out in particular like certain engines or models, general maintenance, cost of ownership, etc.

would it even be worth looking into buying a boat i could potentially live on (by myself) if my budget for purchase is under $20k?

Has anyone worked for NOAA? How was it?

>>1082737

Small private boat ownership is in a totally different category than everything in this thread.

If you are looking at purchasing a 40ft shrimp trawler for whatever reason $20,000 US is going to get you something decades older than you that needs repair or replacement on every single mechanical part and a bunch of fab work.

All the big and medium name engine marine manufacturers have good engines once the maintenance has been done. You are looking more for condition and care rather than brand name, unless you have easier parts supply from a particular manufacturer.

"Hiring AB only"
>need seatime to get AB
>complain that there is a shortage of seafarers
Why do they do this?

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Any Dinghy sailors here? I'm getting back into dinghy sailing (mostly 420 and Laser) at college and want to pick up a few books that go into the more performance/technical aspects of dinghy racing and sail trim. Has anyone read high performance Sailing by Bethwaite, and is it applicable to non-skiff boats? Any other recommendations?

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>>1083011
smaller tug companies are more likely to hire you as an OS than bigger companies

Last I checked Moran had an opening for an OS in Miami but don't quote me on that

>>1083011
You don't have to be an AB to get seatime, ya dingus.

My gripe is when they don't specify what tier of AB they want. I usually assume special is ok

I heard that nowadays aorcraft engines are common with some ship engines? How true is that?

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So, what is the opinion on the Fitzgerald incident?

>>1083754
fucking japs probably couldn't see the navy stealth ship through their squinty fucking slit eyes

>>1082737
Start checking craigslist near your area. If you are trying to get a llivabord that never leavs dock get nosail. If you are trying to livabord at sea get a motorsailer/cat/trimaran if you can afford something decent. Dont get something to large tho you dont want to get fucked too hard by repairs. If i where you i would put 10k into the boat and save the rest for repairs and upgrades. Also go over 30ft min

>>1083654
Aircraft engines? Posibly becuse they are designed to hold a constant rpm for ages but most of them are aircooled which would be a problem

>>1066202
This

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A lovely yacht I spotted in Wilmington, NC, on the Cape Fear River.

>>1083825
They were flips u silly willy

>>1083754
Like 95% of Maritime casualties, it's going to be down to human error. Most likely communication errors amongst the wheelhouse crew of the fitz (ex, 30 right being heard by the helmsman as 13 right) and/or bridge to bridge with the container ship.
Could also take the form of misuse of navigational equipment (inappropriate radar range, wrong predictor lines, silenced alarms) or wrong interpretation of information.
It's almost assuredly majority the fault of the Fitz. She struck the container ship on her port side, end of story. US Navy ships are notorious for being pricks and not following COLREGS.

>>1084032

>Struck the container ship on her portside.

What is wrong with those fucking people?

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Who can tell me what this symbol means

>>1084067
The container ship hit the Fitz, not the other way around.

That's what you get for naming your ship the Fitzgerald

>>1084110

I have been googling, but I am getting nothing to actually state what happened

Anyone got some dank links?

>>1084104
probs there to warn small craft of the bulbous bow.

>>1084169
I'd reckon there's gonna be an NTSB investigation and/or navy internal investigation, so information will become available over the enxt few weeks.

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>>1084182
lewd

Latest. On the Fitzgerald.

The autopilot on the container ship did it.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/freighter-autopilot-hit-us-destroyer/

>>1084490
Le all ships will be automated meme

>>1084503
An autopilot is not an automated, self-navigating ship. It is a preprogrammed course holder and cruise control. It is, as it turns out, unable to autonomously take evasive action in an emergency. They still need a pilot/captain - who apparently wasn't at his post. Criminal proceedings will follow.

Ships will be automated though. This is just not an example of that.

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>>1083539
Yea but they won't hire you unless you have AB

>>1082996
>Has anyone worked for NOAA? How was it?
Also interested in this
What kind of work are you referring to anon?
NOAA research vessels are manned by NOAA corps

>>1084526

>Criminal proceedings will follow.

Both captains should get hit with negligence.

Even a hold course vessel is required to take evasive action if the give way vessel appears that it is not giving way. That would have been apparent if the crew of the Fitzgerald actually had their eyes open, which they are required to.

>>1084753
They're lead by NOAA corps, but they hire wage mariners in deck ratings, all the engine, and some shit like fishermen

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>>1082623

Subsea construction vessel (7000 ton)

Been lucky and kept my job during down turn but i now a ton of guys who had to go

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>>1085012

Correction DW 6500 tons

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Engine fags report in

>>1083654
Really the only ones I can think of are turbine engines for things like warships and passenger liners. Often those share a common core with turbofan engines used in a variety of jet aircraft. In most other types of vessel power to size and weight ratios isn't such a concern, so industrial engines are more common.

So now the captain of the ACX Crystal claims the Destroyer turned to hit them.

>>1085015
I need to get on one of those once i get my AB.
>>1085035
looked up the specs for that small tug, 1400 HP, similar HP to our smallest boat but that thing looks so much nicer than ours.

>>1085052

Don't forget marine engines are primarily diesels and you don't have many aero diesels in existence.

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On the subject of the Pacific bump:

Has anyone read the subject on /k/?

It's fucking hilarious seeing all the clueless chime in with their opinions. I've given up correcting them for the sake of my mental health.

>>1085567
the /k/ threads are 10/10 purely for the autism

>>1084562
? I'm saying there are jobs for OS/deckhands. They might not be as common, but they exist

>>1085567
My favourite part was when they kept talking about 'ALS tracks'

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Posting a few.

Dredger in India

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Panama canal

>hanjin

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Weird container ship in Japan.
Anime af.

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FPSO in Indonesia

>>1086480
Natori a cute! Cute!

>>1086480
Holy shit it is anime as fuck.

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>>1086480
Looks kinda like this roro ship
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:461962/mmsi:372002000/imo:9473468/vessel:CITY_OF_ROTTERDAM

Here's a few from this morning

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>>1087506

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>>1087507

>>1087508
How many ships a day do you work with tugfag?

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>>1087530
Palm Beach is a very small port, and a good majority of the ships that dock here don't require a tug.
But we usually dock anywhere from six to 15 ships a week, and between 1-2 a day.
We do have slow weeks and busy weeks where that number can change

>>1087905
Jesus. What do you do all day if you're only docking 2 ships a day?

>>1087926
c h i p a n d p a i n t

its kinda shitty, but i'm building time towards my AB then I'm gonna get a real job

>>1087989
Will I get fired if I can't cook for shit?

>>1087926

Kek imagine docking 1 ship every two months.

The tug here runs a barge and recovery "service" in between those days of glory.

They are known for being scoundrels. You agree on a rate before hand and then after the deed is done they bring up "salvage rights" and try to claim your ship/boat and then you are in court with these cunts.

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>>1088004
Well we don't live on the boats, we work an 8 hour day then go home and are on call for anything outside of our normal schedule, so you don't have to worry about cooking.

https://youtu.be/XHNM2t10wVc

>>1057418

sorry man but Im totaly seeing a dick lying by the seaside everytime I scroll pastthis.

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>>1088534

Are you talking about the cylinder in the lower center of the image? It took me a minute to even figure out what you could even be talking about.

I think you need to stop fapping to femenine benis and breathe some fresh air bruh.

>>1087989
Gonna still work on tugs? I ask because I'm in a pretty similar situation; tugboater with an AB on the way and a thirst for something new

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/o/ here, posted this thread that's getting shit up by cyclist faggots that I cant delete anymore now that I found this thread: >>1089381

Does anyone know if the coast guard will take an online CPR/First aid certification when applying for an original merchant mariner credential? Would rather not have to sit through another class.

In general, all certificates can only be issued by approved training centres. I'm not american tho.

Would fuel cells be practical as an alternative source of energy aboard merchant vessels?

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>>1089387
Ideally, yes. I want to get on a big AHTS in the gulf.
Kind of considering applying at Moran and getting an OS position on one of their harbor tugs to finish out getting time for my AB.

>>1089396
Cyclists a shit
As far as I know they only accept a STCW approved first aid/CPR class

>>1058748
>Ferry's take forever, everywhere.
Puget Sound is basically the one exception to this.
>hundreds of miles of coastline
>channels too wide and deep to bridge with two exceptions, one of which is a floating bridge, since even the smaller ones are enough for fucking CVN and SSBN shipyards
>a short ferry ride cuts multiple hours off a drive

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>>1089387
Also, are you waiting on AB special, limited, or unlimited?

Do you know the difference between the three? It seems all of them require RFPNW and lifeboatman, other that that the only difference seems to be the seatime required to qualify for whichever one.
Is there any advantage to having one over the other?

>>1088534
You faggot I cant unsee

>>1080385
Container shipping ruined that job.

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>>1090400
>>1090653
I'm waiting on an AB Special; it's all I qualify for with my sea time and tonnage. Unfortunately, I don't really know how the "tiers" of AB differ other than sea service requirements.

I *have* seen companies/unions say things like "limited or unlimited preferred," which sucks, but I'm hoping that for most companies an AB is an AB, whether it's special, limited, or unlimited.

I believe lifeboatman is required for any AB. I think, for that reason, schools often offer their lifeboatman and AB courses back-to-back to make it easier to knock them both out. As for RFPNW... I don't think it's required to get an AB (I mean, I don't have it), but it does seem to be important at some companies. Thing is, I think you have to have documented watchstanding experience to take the course. I'd like to get my RFPNW but I'm not sure if my experience is valid or not.


*http://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/checklists/mcp_fm_nmc5_53_web.pdf?ver=2017-05-31-143631-387

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>>1091727
Who do you work for now? The color of that boat kind of looks like a Dann Ocean Towing boat

Fag here who knows nothing about boats and such but I'm just curious as to how the hell do you guys deal with rust and corrosion? Hoping for some insight so I can apply it to other things.

>>1091761
I don't want to say the name because it's a tiny company. But I'm in the Southeast, Atlantic coast.

>>1091763

Sacrificial anodes and a lot of fuggin paint

>>1083243
For college, CofC has some good tuning guides online somewhere for 420 and FJ. Note that some places will be a bit different, for example Navy makes their own sails and lets you adjust rake on the 420s while most other places do not. Then there's places like Tufts that sail boats no one else has.

Laser has a ton of stuff you can read. If you want to race laser in college be prepared to get your ass kicked by Olympians (depending on your conference).

I haven't heard of the book you speak of, but skiffs and other fast boats are pretty different from what you'll sail in college. Especially the FJ. However I know the time I've spent in skiffs/fast cats has been beneficial in a lot of ways, even if the sailing itself is very different.

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>>1092219
cont.

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>>1092220
and fin.

>>1092223
>>1092220
>>1092219
is there supposed to be something funny here that i'm missing?

>>1092263
No, it's just the crew and mechanical spaces, which most people don't know much about.

So what's the deal with Hanjin now? Were they restructured or have they ceased to exist? Who took over their assets?

>>1092335
I saw a former Hanjin ship the other day that had been repainted and was now the Maersk Esmereldas. But you could see the outline of the old Hanjin logo on the side.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/235096793

>>1092785

Is Maersk as ridiculously powerful as I think they are?

I met the daughter of the Maersk director, or board member or something, a couple years ago at a wedding reception and we went walk about their Hamburg operations but feel like I hadn't fully realised what I standing in the middle of.

>>1092786
>Is Maersk as ridiculously powerful as I think they are?
Yes.

>With a fleet of more than 600 container vessels, Maersk is the world's biggest shipping company with a market share of around 16 percent. The company handles around 25 percent of all containers shipped on the key Asia-Europe route.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-attack-maersk-idUSKBN19I1NO

They also have a shitload of offshore oil rigs.

Their terminal here in LA is the one the Port of LA bigwigs always bring VIPs to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWIQAx1Cnc

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Hi can y'all post your pay stubs? Thanks.

>>1094879
it's about 69

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ship delivery

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Nearly finished.
Varnishing, outfit hardware, finish off electrics, put on trailer and rigging.

any advice for how to get into the field of naval architecture?

I am gonna graduate with a degree in mechanical engineering soon

>>1096469

I got no idea myself but in your position I would start investigating ship and boat builders and fire off a few questions.

If there is any piece of advice I can give is not to limit yourself to too many specifics, talk to everyone. Even if you feel like you only want to design supertankers now (example not an assumption) you may get into a smaller company that designs or builds pleasure boats, it could be a stepping stone onto industrial ships later on. Your desires may change. You will gain more overall experience in a smaller company as you will be required to do more than what your basic role is.

Smaller businesses are more likely to entertain your questions and even be interested in hiring individuals with zero years in the related field.

It will help if you live and socialise near the industry as well. For instance the other day I hit up a bar in the harbour with some friends and after a few hours I left with the number of someone who sells tugs built in Istanbul and someone who sells irrigation. Both were just passing through the port and happened to end up at the bar, the irrigation guy wants me to buy his stuff for my projects and I want to be tug man's contact in my region.

The Port of LA turned their livestream cam around and now faces the other way. You can see the federal prison on the left side of the screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XidNlFNtpW8

>>1096469
>>1096469
at least in my country that is a totally different university. my brother finished naval installations design and he worked in a shipbuilding shipyard but he could not design any ship structures only installations, like pipework, cranes etc. the ship's hull design was made by other people who finished a different university

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>>1098117
kinda considered working for that company, ultimately decided against it because it seems like it's a mess based off what i read about them.

in other news, I landed a sort of unofficial internship with the local pilots. get to ride with a few of them a few times a month, pretty cool stuff.

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>>1098563
on board the cruise ship

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>>1098564
on board a small container ship, MV Caribe Legend.

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>>1098565
aboard MV Tropic Jade

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backing into the berth

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>>1098561
>considered working for that company
Smith Marine, is it? All I know is that those two green boats are contracted by SpaceX for rocket recovery. Sounds like a cool job.

That unofficial internship sounds awesome. Is it just for fun?

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>>1098693
Yeah that company is Smith Maritime.
I kinda got a funky vibe for the company after reading this article:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/04/19/towheads

Tradewinds Towing was formed by his kids and seems to run a much more uniformed operation.

>>1098693
> Is it just for fun?
yes and no, I'm waiting on my AB from the coastguard then I'm gonna try and get a job on OSV's in the gulf and work towards my 1600 ton master which is the minimum required license to sit for a pilots exam in Florida

Do you work up in Canaveral?

>>1098561
Shit, man! Good for you! Press that unofficial internship as hard as possible. Not everyone gets that opportunity.

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Good luck with the gulf. I guess things have picked up a little bit down there?

>>1098849
That was a great read. Amazing the adventures that family had. Makes me want to start seeing some new places.

I'm the guy from a few months ago waiting on his AB special. We're just down in Canaveral for a few weeks assisting a dredge.

NEW

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