Trump Budget

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>>1056418
Waste of money.

If Amtrak was worth something of value it wouldn't need to be supported by the government. That's a fucking fact.

>>1056418
honestly, as a libertarian, i wish trump would just cut as much as they would let him. this cut doesn't bother me. at the same time, trump is redirecting the money to other things that the government shouldn't be involved with.
so nothing's really changed.

AUSTIN PETERSEN 2020 NEGROS!

>>1056560
Regrettably this. Why can't the US have nice things?

>>1056560
This. Their funding should be cut, and they should apply those funding cuts to lines not making money. Profitable lines, like Acela, will be fine.

If we're lucky, most non-profitable lines will be gone in 8 years when Trump leaves office, and when their funding gets boosted they can invest it in areas that make money and are used.

>>1056593
Or invest in trains that go faster than 60mph for fuck sakes

>>1056560

If (the military/the wall/the interstate highway system) was worth something of value it wouldn't need to be supported by the government. That's a fucking fact.

This sucker is a puppet of oil and car industry. What did you expect?

>>1056599
>If government systems were good at government systems then why should the government pay?


but all of those things are public projects. Amtrak is a private company. The freeway is not a company. Protecting the country is not a company.

>>1056560
>>1056593
Then why would the nation build IHS

>>1056664
If the interstate highway system was owned by a private company charging tolls, then it would be a private company.

>>1056668
It was something Eisenhower could brag about as his legacy, plus he was a military man that wanted to make fast and reliable links between cities, mainly to move around the military. Highways, and vehicles with rubber wheels, by their very nature, can take on more direct, yet more challenging, steeper terrain and tighter curves than a train ever could. Not to mention that the automotive, tire, and oil barrons had a lot of influence then, and arguably still do.

In the scope of highways, if Trump just focuses on fixing the main interstates and allows tolling on all other state-owned grade-separated highways, while simultaneously cutting federal funding and subsidies, then I wouldn't mind that.

>>1056560

"/n/ - Transportation"

is there a chan that hasnt been stormfronted to fuck that one can go to

>>1056965
if someone brings up politics in relation to transportation as the OP did, then it's natural for people discuss it.
I'm>>1056563
I didn't vote for Trump, I begrudgingly voted for Johnson, imperfect libertarian as he is, but I too defend the idea of Trump cutting this stuff down (as long as he doesn't redirect money to something ELSE the government shouldn't be involved with, but he will).
Frankly, I suspect the OP was shitting on Trump for doing what he did, which is fine, because this is a transportation issue, and it's ok to talk about here. But let's be clear - OP started it.
You're just mad that someone would defend Trump, and want to blame some Stormfront boogeyman for starting some political debate in this thread. He didn't, the OP did. And supporting Trump, though not good (libertarians are who you should support, not Gary Johnson fakebertarians though more like Austin Petersen types) does not make you a member of Stormfront. Are you gonna tell me all the record breaking amount of blacks who voted Republican this last election are members of Stormfront?
Ridiculous, disingenuous comment on your part all around.

>>1056560
Call me crazy but I think there's better reasons to support a system than how profitable it is. I've always viewed public transit as a service that people should be entitled to, not a business that should be making some assholes money in order to make sense.

>>1056972
you still have to pay for public transit, it's not like it's free.
you ever notice how industries that are subject to government intervention are shitty and stagnant, whereas ones that are not as restricted by its reins (such as electronics) become far more efficient and cheaply priced?
if the government got out of public transit, the system would be far better today. or an even better system of transportation would have replaced the existing ones.
government has a way of ruining everything.
>making some assholes money
why are people who takes risks and invest capital in companies assholes? are you an asshole for earning a living?
frankly, big government has a way of misplacing funds, a lot that just end up funneling into politicians/lobbyists pockets. if you want to stop assholes from making money, start with the government, by simplifying it and drastically reducing its size, so it doesn't have the power to do that. reduce its power, reduce its reach into every facet of our lives. like transportation.
Austin Petersen 2020!

>>1056970
>muh property
Right libertarians are retarded

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>republicans pretending the government doesn't subsidize the fuck out of personal vehicle travel too

>>1057009
>Right libertarians are retarded
how can you call yourself a libertarian and NOT defend property rights? I don't think you understand what libertarianism is if you don't.
let me guess, you're probably one of those people who thinks it's about gay marriage, DUDE WEED and muh guns. it is so much bigger than that.
life, liberty and property are the key tenants of the movement.
if you don't defend property rights you cannot call yourself a libertarian. this isn't debatable. not defending private property rights puts you in line with authoritarians. money-leeching, land-grabbing, authoritarians. that's a far cry from libertarianism.
libertarianism is about small government. the thinking is that small government promotes the maximum amount of liberty. as long as you don't infringe on anyone else's rights, the government doesn't get involved. it's not about the exact social things you approve of, it's about that you can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on someone's rights. you can fuck your sister, shoot heroin, refuse to serve a nazi a wedding cake, start your own white power club, not allow gays to shop at your store etc, as long as you don't use force against anyone. the market place of ideas and money will sort this stuff out. you have the right to do whatever you want with your life and property if you don't exert force on anyone else, no matter how stupid or immoral someone else thinks it is. the government only uses force to protect those who are being unjustly targeted from their fellow citizens, or in other words, infringe on their rights to use their own life liberty and property as they see fit. goes with economics too. socialism and regulated markers are immoral because they exert force, and what's more, actually serve to strangle the economy, making the rich richer and innovation to cease. history proves this time and time again.

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>>1057009
>>1057025
(cont)
disagree with that philosophy all you want, but that's libertarianism. either you agree with that philosophy and are libertarian, or you don't agree with it, and are not.

>>1056664
>Amtrak is a private company

Isn't this somewhat half true since the members of Amtrak’s board are appointed by the President and are subject to confirmation by the Senate and the federal government owns all of Amtrak’s stock?

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>>1056664
>>1057029
Amtrak was chartered by Congress and receives federal funding. Calling it a "private company" is disingenuous at best.

>>1057025
>>1057026
brainlet

You don't honestly think the American Libertarian party is the only for of libertarianism do you? Exactly which liberties constitute liberty is a matter of debate among actual libertarians, not meme weedlamos.

>>1057035
That's why I said half true since amtrak is basically half way in between private and nationalized service and is structured set up as a for profit yet government subsidized/owned service

>>1056599
Providing for the common defense (military & border controls) is a constitutionally-mandated function of the federal government. The Interstate highway system has paid for itself several times over and is worth the money.

Why continue to throw shit-tons of money into low-speed / overpriced federally-owned rail systems that cannot compete with air travel?

>>1057079
Rail travel is much less dependent on the price of foreign oil than air travel, and it's much harder to crash trains into buildings.

>>1057036
>Exactly which liberties constitute liberty is a matter of debate among actual libertarians
you don't get to pick and choose what liberties are allowed. literally as long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others to do with their own life liberty and property as they see fit, you can do whatever you want as you see fit. that's what true liberty is. and yeah, the American Libertarian Party has strayed far away from this, especially in the most recent election, with gary johnson making it about WEEEEEED and compromising Libertarian principles to pander to the authoritarians of the democrats.

>>1057124
You need to get learned about libertarian political philosophy.

>>1057152
>get learned
you need to learn english first I reckon

>>1057269
"Get learned" is a stock phrase that isn't meme level. That's like complaining when someone fagget on 4chan and say they need to learn to spell.

>>1057275
I'm the guy you were arguing with but that last response:
>>1057152
wasn't me.
to this:
>>1057152
why don't you get more specific and enlighten me?

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>>1056668
Because the IHS is fucking useful you dumb cunt. The government makes more money than they put in buy maintaining the IHS. Amtrak producing nothing in value. A moment of failure to expand and become something useful.

Amtrak is fucking slow. Barely anyone uses it. It's a waste of money.

Giving it government gibe mes doesn't help it. It just props up a useless program that very few people use.

It's a novelty and not to be taken seriously.

>>1056991
> if the government got out of public transit, the system would be far better today.

Tell that to the brits.

>>1057014
>Republicans
sigh
>>>/tumblr/

>>1057014
Cars are useful and effective.

Amtrak is neither of those things.

>>1057752
Holy fuck Northern and Southern, possibly the worst ToCs on the british isles.

>30+ year old buses
>overcrowded trains
>guards striking because companies don't want to pay for training

can we bring back BR yet

>>1057751
yes, the question is why would American government turn rail into something that cannot produce value.

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>/n/ is shitting their collective pants thinking Trump's budget cuts will mean the end of long distance Amtrak service
>mfw none of these dumb suckers realize that long distance Amtrak service is the only form of inter-city rail for for at least 23 rural states, most of them Republican, and that they're even less likely to vote in favor of this than Trumpcare and will raise all Hell until he's forced to amend it

>>1059229
>Trump's inept flailing is totally a calculated plan, guys

>>1059418

trump is playing 3d ticket to ride

I see you have all forgotten Obama's porkulus bills that were supposed to fund infrastructure years ago. I don't know where it went, but it wasn't into transportation. Stop blaming trump for every damn thing, we had Obama for nearly a decade and T for what, two months tops?

...and in this short time Russian puppet Trump made America a joke.

>>1059498
>actually using the word "porkulus" outside Breitbart
Leave.

>>1056560
/thread

>>1056668
>Then why would the nation build IHS
Because the need to mobilize to kill commies.
We have more than just an airforce and navy.

>>1059502
>>1059502
>he fell for the russian meme
nigga Kucinich himself said it's a shadow government ploy to dupe dummies, playing on their hatred of Trump.

>>1057984
better to not profit than lose profits