Toronto Thread

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Does Memeronto really need a general?

>>1051446
ye and thx for bumping

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>>1051367

Anyone else refuse to give up their seat to obese people? I figure they could use the standing.

>>1051557
no because I'm not insecure

I love the TTC

all my normie friends complain about it constantly but I think they do a great job meeting the cities demands

>>1051557
not torontonian, but why would anyone give up his seat for some fat fuck? Being fat isn't a fucking disability.

>>1051974
the worst is when they sit beside you forcing you to get out of your seat because it is extremely uncomfortable.

>>1051962
It is quite nice really, the only thing that is complete garbage is the timing of buses. I find you have no idea when they will come because they are usually late.

>>1051367
Old thread worked for me.

Anyway so about this East Harbour transit hub, if they bring the Broadview street car down there and theres a DRL stop then do you think the 504 would reroute to East Harbour instead of Broadview station?

Or they could run a 504A and 504B on King. That would essentially make 3 different routes available off of the transit priority king street

Fucking hell. I got on the wrong bus on the Queensway. Why does the Royal York bus operate on the Queensway?

To all my vernblock mandem whagwan

GO TTC fare integration when?

What the hell, why did I just see the 510 Spadina on king?

>>1052187
That's how they get to spadina from Leslie barns

>>1052188
It was in service though?

>>1052186
Integrate the ferry terminal with a ttc fare and use presto

That alone would make the island more accessible

>>1052189
Yes they do a revenue run when they leave the barns

>>1052191
Interesting
I walk by King every morning and have never seen that before.

Also why is kind so low on the list for the new street cars? It's busier than Spadina why use them on the 510 or the meme half King 514?

>>1052193
They've been doing that for months.

I talked to the TTC during the town hall meeting at Metro Hall a couple weeks ago and they said that they need to convert to pantograph first. I didn't understand why though and they didn't give me a more clear explanation other than "muh infrastructure"
505 was suppose to get them next but they might be holding that off until cherry is fully converted

>>1052242
>pantograph first
I thought this is on the vehicles not the ohw?

>>1052252
Yes they need to change the overhead and up the voltage apparently to have them run up and down roncy and broadview. That's what I was told by them

>>1051994
Got an app for that

>>1052253
Oic.

>>1052253
My wife's son takes the king line from roncesvalles to downtown for work and he says getting home is retarded and if you try and board the king car west of Bay it's like a can of sardines. I read the other day that the king line is th3me third busiest ttc route. Equipping roncesvalles and Broadview the appropriate infrastructure should be top priority.

Why a Queen instead of King DRL?

>>1052269

cuck

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What's going on at union? They're relaying the platform level tracks

>>1052269
I come from the east end. Getting on at Jarvis to go eastbound back home is retarded. Had to wait just now for 10 mins while two packed CLRVs passed. Finally got on an ALRV with plenty of standing room to spare.

The further south you run the DRL, the more issues you run into with geology. It's harder to bore under King than Queen apparently. And also I think the water table is slightly higher

>>1052315
>CLRVs
Are these running on King because Queen is under construction?

>>1052320
No King always runs CLRV's with maybe 1 ALRV

>>1052315
>It's harder to bore under King than Queen apparently
Hell they tunneled along Queens Quay for half a km for the street car tunnel, i doubt it's a water issue

>>1052321
>ALRV
I meant to highlight this

>>1052322
It wasn't tunnelled it was cut and cover across fill and water

>>1052324
Oh

>>1052324
Do you think they're gonna extend that tunnel east bound?

>>1052322
Interestingly the Queens Quay tunnel has issues with ice forming along the ceiling due to the water table and the ACC's ice makers cooling the tunnel. I can only imagine what it would be like to build the Bremnar Blvd. line since that would require a tunnel directly under the ACC.

>>1052329
Queen's quay tunnel is technically in the lake. Anything south of front Street used to be the lake. That's why when construction projects happen south of front, they find cool shit like rekt ships

>>1052328
If east bayfront ever gets built yes it would have to

>>1052329
It probably never occurred to the engineers of either project (acc and the tunnel) so the tunnel wasn't insulated. Just 2" of Styrofoam insulation keeps the frost away from my sewage line going to my septic tank

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So when will this finally become a thing?

>>1052340
is that a second tunnel coming out going west on Bremner?

>>1052344
Yea that's the one that passes under the ACC. Apperently when the ACC was built they left room in the basement for the Bremner Streetcar. I wonder if it would be purely a tunnel or an actual station inside the ACC for game days.

>>1052340
Never. Bremner streetcar will not happen. Anything east bayfront or portlands is ded atm

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When it comes to Waterfront plans the TTC does have a lot of route ideas that will probably never come about.

>>1052357
>2007

>>1052359
So I guess it's better to say "had" plans.

>>1052361
Easy bayfront developers and residents are passed because the city promised a streetcar line.

>>1052357
the 514 plan looks pretty doable imo

>>1052357
>565 to castle frank
my dick

>>1052401
The Parliament Streetcar is probably never coming back. All the tracks north of College were torn out. What is more infuriating is that the Parliament Streetcar was canned to begin with since when the BD opened the tracks on Parliament already connected to the tracks along Bloor so all the TTC would have had to have done was install tracks around the Castle Frank bus loop, but instead chose not to.

>>1052406
The tracks on Adelaide were all torn up or paved over yet the ttc is reinstalling them

>>1052411
The Wellington tracks need some work too. Did they put the overhead back up on Richmond and Adelaide

>>1052414
Richmond is back running, the queen car used Richmond when Queen street was closed around Christmas for some concert.
Adelaide is due to be ripped up this year. They relayed the wye on Richmond and York and it looks like they left space to make a wye on Adelaide too.

They use Richmond and Adelaide for back up king and queen lines so I'm guessing church tracks will be relaid southbound too.

Wellington needs work is that why the 503 has been a bus lately?

>>1052418
>Wellington needs work is that why the 503 has been a bus lately?

That might be part of it, but I think it also has to do with Bombardier being late with the new streetcars. Some CLRV's and many ALRV's were scrapped so I don't think their is enough to cover every single route so the 502 and 503 got moved to buses since they only operate during rush hour.

>>1051557
>>1051974
be nice to people when you're not on 4chan anons

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2017/02/28/more-evidence-scarborough-subway-extension-makes-no-sense-editorial.html

>be city council
>have a $33 billion infrastructure backlog
>spend one tenth of it to win votes in scarborough for a 6km long tunnel that ends in a mall
>neglect everything else entirely

>>1052438
This so much
Fuck the SSE
Although also fuck the Vaughan subway extension like wtf

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Queen line to be shut down all summer

Sorry the link won't copy on my phone

>>1052465
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/03/01/ttc-taking-streetcars-off-queen-st-for-the-summer.html

>>1052465
Haha fucking queen street btfo

>>1052474
It's shit tho. I was hoping to ride the length of the Queen line in the spring

What's with Hamilton and West harbour GO stations? Is it just either or? They're on different lines?

>>1052553

It is either or as the line splits before entering Hamilton

>>1052474
just walk down to king u fatass

>>1052591
Thats dumb

>>1052593
Lmao I don't live on Queen or work on Queen. Queen street hipsters eternally btfo

>>1052624
The queen car travels half it's route not on Queen

>>1052625
Meh

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>>1052357
Can't imagine ever seeing a streetcar on Unwin

>>1052663
Well it did come out in 2007 so I guess it was part of the cities last attempt at redeveloping the Port Lands. I think this also coincides with the birth of Transit City.

>>1052624
they could literally just walk down to king though and take the streetcar there, plus there's greater frequency thanks to the pilot project

>>1052674
Doesnt the pilot start in September

>>1052674
gib new stret cars

>>1051367
>Discuss ideas on how to make our transit system better
Wait... you are talking about the same city that has that white elephant, the ScarbourghRT? The one with the loop at the station that sits unused?

How about you make some long term plans for a unified system that does not include the words 'Bombadeer made.' Pick your best trams, and make the whole system uniform.

>>1052730
The RT is on it's way out, the debate is whether use light rail or subway
Imo fuck the subway idea, fewer stops and too expensive

>>1052730
Bombarbier didn't make the RT vehicles, they were made by a Crown corporation that no longer exists

>>1052751
everyone informed on the issue in the city hates the subway option btw. at this point it's not even disguised as votebait for cagers or low info voters who swallowed Ford's "streetcars in scarborough" bullshit

and this is coming from someone who lives in markham/ellesmere lmao, I'm only 5 minutes from STC by bus

>>1052751
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>>1052841
>>1052674
>>1052665

Quality posting guys. Keep up the good work.

What do you think of the HSR? I find the service to be great but only if you're taking the B-line express. Everything else is pretty mediocre and confusing. There's too many shared bus stops that go anywhere. Especially by Mcmaster.

>>1052841
It's pork barrel politics at its finest. I hope the liberals get obliterated in 2018 and the Tories cancel this bullshit

>>1052846
Never taken Hamilton transit

Justify your split line go stations though. Will Hamilton station be obsolete? The province is building more go stations on the lake shore line which would proceed West Harbour

>>1052859
>thinking the tories don't hate toronto
>thinking your tory MP from Chatham realizes that we're literally the economy of the province

people from towns outside of Toronto and Ottawa literally think their section of the province has been screwed over for too long in favour of Toronto and that their taxes go solely towards funding us, even though they're like fucking logging and mining towns or some shit like that (>mfw we're literally the country's largest tax base and we're the reason these fucks get their bridge or new roads while we have to grovel just to get a new station at STC)

basic grade 9 geo class taught that canada is a service based economy and that we're in a post-industrial society so it makes sense that the higher wages are in toronto vs fucking petrolia, and therefore we get taxed more.

I wish the NDP (which were the only major party to support an LRT in scarbs over a subway) would be elected but that's wishful fucking thinking.

Rob Ford was a mistake

>>1052866
Rural and suburban retards

>>1052866
>thinking the tories don't hate toronto
They do that's why they'll cancel the subway

>>1052895
It's time to divide the province.

>>1052906
No point, just give Toronto more powers in the City of Toronto act

>>1052895

They'll either a) Cancel the subway to spite Toronto or b) Go with it anyway to court Scarborough voters, but knowing those Tory cucklefucks the absolute worse thing they will do is attempt to upload the subway to Metrolinx while leaving TTC with just buses and streetcar network

>>1052906

>Divide the province
>GTHA becomes its own province and it steals Waterloo/Kitchener + Niagara regions

How screwed would the rest of the province be?

>>1052912

It clearly didn't work since the city politicians are either too cowardly to exercise those powers or the provincal government can just go LOL NOPE

>>1052912
The problem here is that no matter how many powers you give the Toronto Act, the city is still a "Creature of the Province". imo the first thing that needs to happen is the whole creatures of the province shit needs to be changed. Lets say when a city reaches 1 Million people it should no longer be a creature of the province. That means as it stands now only Toronto would be exempt from the rule with Mississauga being the next city to hit 1 Million.

>>1052930
That would require a constitutional amendment. Good luck with that

>>1052943
no it wouldn't it's literally just provincial legislation. We're not creating a new province, just giving the cities more autonomy.

>>1052922
explain why handing over control of the subway to metrolinx would be a worst case scenario

>>1052946
Exactly. Hell even making the GTHA it's own province may not actually need a whole constitutional amendment since their is a loophole in the Canadian Constitution. To create a new province usually requires approval from 7 of 10 provinces, however the Canadian Constitution has no legal wording (or any wording at all) about dividing a per-existing province. So making the GTHA its own province may in fact require nothing more than an act of Parliament.

>>1052952

I'm actually pretty open to regular border checks along the GTHA-Canadian border given their sanctuary city policies.

>>1052930
Toronto needs to be able to manage its resources better, the rest of the province has a very different economy that is constantly overburdened by wasteful spending on behalf of the city.

>>1052990
Lets not foreget the fact that Toronto can't manage it's resources simply because the province keeps stepping in the way, and the "Creatures of the Province" rule hampers abilities to manage itself like any other large city in the World. Toronto is being held back by archaic laws that have no place in the modern world or anyplace in a global city like Toronto.

Secondly Toronto gives more to the Province in tax revenue than it gets back. It is an incredibly one sided relationship and yet somehow people outside the GTHA have the audacity to say that "Toronto receives to much" when in reality it's all the areas outside of Toronto that are essentially living off Toronto's welfare. Toronto and the GTHA alone account for 30% of Canada's annual GDP and generate upwards of $300 Billion per year. Either province needs to fuck off with its "Creatures of the Province" bull shit or Toronto and the rest of the GTHA need to and this one sided relationship. Just as you said Toronto's economy and Provinces economy are different, which they are; but then I need to ask why should Toronto and the GTHA hang around? What benefit does the region get for staying in a province that takes its fare share of the regions money than doesn't bother to reinvest anywhere near the same amount.

>>1053010
>Toronto is being held back by archaic laws that have no place in the modern world or anyplace in a global city like Toronto
It is the total opposite. Other big cities with expansive transit systems get federal/state funding. Toronto doesn't get enough federal or provincial funding compared to other metropolitan cities.

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South African immigrant here

Doesn't Montreal have a much better transit network? I'm considering moving out to Québec to get out of Toronto.

Lower costs for housing, lower electrical costs, a stronger economy, better schools for my daughter, more stuff for kids, won't really need a car as badly either.

Maybe I'm missing something, but is there any reason to stay? I work as a software engineer so there isn't much issue finding work. I will have to learn French though.

>>1053013
If you don't speak French you'll be a second class citizen

Lmao Who gets the your ward news?

>>1053205
I stopped getting it in monarch park. So sad :(

>>1053256
The gov banned the guy from sending it by Canada post

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>>1053263

>>1053266
>>1053265
>>1053205
James Sears will save our city

>>1053267
He'll build the wall on Victoria Park to make Toronto great again and make Scarborough pay for it

>>1053010
Like its our fault that Toronto continually votes in Liberal governments to run Ontario that then turn around and fuck everything up for everyone. Toronto overwhelmingly decides on the Ontario government so don't blame us when it goes tits up you dumb fuck.

>>1052048
jus badmon tings

>>1052859
hahaha the liberals are only funding this because tories use it as a wedge issue

>>1053292
>>1053334
>>1053499
>>1053267
>>1053266
>>1053265
>>1053263
>>1053205
>>1053256
>>1053263

https://youtu.be/mdWzLwNOlaA

Enjoy his debate performance.

>>1053534
fuck Israel, this guy is based.

>>1053534
Woke af

Why is there no TTC GO fare integration?
The bus is 75cents in Oakville of you transfer from the GO train

>>1054049
Because fuck you that's why. It's mostly political

>>1054055
Bureaucracy will kill Toronto

>>1054056
We have to build the wall on Victoria Park

>>1054069
Build a wall around city hall

So Executive Council pushed through the Scarborough Extension as well as an additional $184 Million dollar project to have a new underground bus terminal built at the future site of the Scarborough Centre Station.

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>>1054384
>underground bus terminal

>>1054395
>>1054384
Is the one at Don mills underground? I've been to it only once

>>1054384
What a mistake

>>1054441

Yes

>tfw Toronto desperately needs a Transit Czar who can override retarded shit like Scarborough subway

>>1054574
We need a premier who won't do this shit, but anyone like that would be framed as Mike Harris

>>1054576
Well, the PCs are doing very little to assure voters they aren't going to sell of yet another freeway to private investors to charge tolls for 99 years on.

>>1051367
You can get fined on the TTC for swearing. Why don't they enforce this?

>>1054574
All cities are hostages of NIMBYs and other idiots who don't know what's good for the city and are just mislead by buzzwords and disproportionate benefit to (or, on the other hand, not wanting to affect) their own area. For good or for worse, this will never change unless a country stops being a democracy. The way to improve transit planning is mostly getting people educated about transit, however there's little interest to either educate or be educated.

>>1054620
I was referring to more the downloading to municipalities

Like pre Harris Hurontario was still highway 10, maintained by the province but Harris downloaded that section and tons of other pieces of infrastructure to the municipalities to save provincial money. Also he canceled the Eglinton West subway which desu would have been Stubway West so whatever
But he did set back public spending on infrastructure pretty badly

>>1054698
The fine for spitting is the same as the fine for shitting too.

That swearing bylaw probably exists so they have reason to enforce it when somebody is being very unruly

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>>1053091
Wrong.
>>1053013
Hey saffie, If you move to one of the dark red neighbourhoods you can safely live in Montreal without speaking a lick of French.

The transit here is better, and the rent is far cheaper. The economy isn't better, but there are plenty of high-tech jobs available downtown, even for anglophones. If you're sending your kids to private school, montreal has the best private schools in Canada. (ECS, the study, villa maria)

If you live on a metro station you won't need a car and could rent a car using car2go or communauto for groceries and what not

That being said learning french is important, many people dont speak english here at all

A couple of days ago a Project Assessment for the DRL came out. The line is to run under Carlaw with a depth of about 18-25 meters using a "floating slab" design in the bedrock. No price estimates at the moment though.

>>1054858
What does floating slab mean? If it's in the bedrock that means they need tunnel boring machines right?

>>1054858
Link

>>1052860
hamiltonfag here. HSR is amazing. anyone that says otherwise has never lived or experienced another cities transit system. we have routes that actively move about the entire city, even dumb fuck areas like burlington/fruitland/stoneycreek mountain/west mountain.

and now our cities hipster yuppie gentrifying faggot movement is wasting a bunch of our tax dollars on streetcars when we have perfectly good buses. also the streetcar company is a private company and our cities HSR is gonna be hollowed out

>>1054911
The lrt is different than a streetcar unless you guys actually have CLRV tier street cars going in?

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>>1054917
They are building the LRT on the road. It is basically a street car since it'll have to share the road. I used to take the bus to get to my university all the time and never had a problem with them. My only annoyance was the lack of service past 7 PM but even then it was still available. I see no advantage of them moving from a bus to this (((LRT))).

>>1054911
Is it really a private company? The LRT in Waterloo is owned by a different company but then that company is just owned by Grand River Transit. It might be separated for liability reasons.

>>1054767
Are there private schools which aren't so expensive? I can afford at most $6000. I've seen some private ones in Québec in the low thousands. These big ones are a bit too up there for me, also I don't want to deal with their parents.

I'm interested in learning French because I don't want to exist in a parallel society, if you live in Québec I think you should learn French.

>>1054925
>impregnated a girl as a teen
>thinks an LRT is the same as a street car

Really speaks volumes. Opinion discarded.

>>1054925
>I see no advantage of them moving from a bus to this (((LRT))).
Ontario doesn't burn fossil fuels to generate electricity

>>1054931
Electric buses are the answer then, they are pretty cost effective now and that will only increase as time goes on.

>>1054932
Lrt have higher capacity, in row moves faster and more efficiently, and are more comfortable than buses imo
Buses are still necessary for peripheral areas of the city but an lrt provides a good backbone to a medium size cities transit system

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>>1054931
That's not true.

http://www.ieso.ca/power-data/supply-overview/transmission-connected-generation

>>1054941
A lot of the capacity is extra, they try to avoid using gas though. You can check it out live if you want to here http://live.gridwatch.ca/home-page.html

He's still wrong but a lot of the time only a small portion of generation is from gas.

>>1054941
Okay at least we don't burn coal

>>1054943
Why are we exporting power if we're then importing power from Quebec?

>>1054945
Electricity doesn't travel well so it might be easier to import from New York or Michigan in parts than shuffle it around. That said, I'm not an expert on this but there's probably a reason for it.

>>1054945
>>1054951
Electrical engineer here. A lot of larger electrical grids like to have insurance and exterior electrical support which they can draw from in times of excess demand. For example, Snowy Hydro in Australia fills this role and sells power only when it is needed but at a cost to the electrical companies.

I believe this is the reason for it, but Ontario is a pretty badly run province.

>>1054953
Srs question
If nobody uses power does it just sit in the power lines or go to waste?

>>1054957
The energy that isn't used usually isn't generated in the first place, or at least added to the grid.

>>1054957
Electricity can't rest in power lines.

>>1054966
>>1054965
Okay

>>1054899
I assume the "floating slab" will be for the actual stations since from what I can gather a floating slab design is simply a building with no foundation' it just floats on the soil via concrete slabs. I don't see how this could translate to tunnel boring though. Also their is no word on whether the line would use 2 tunnel bores or a single large bore like on the Scarborough extension.

>>1054909
http://reliefline.ca/uploads/Ph%204.3%20RL%20Presentation_SAG_Mar%202%202017_Final.pdf

>>1055000
Is it funded?

>>1055000
>floating slab
It's referring to the tracks

>>1054699
>this will never change unless a country stops being a democracy.

Madrid got around this by having independent city planners who are appointed on long term basis and cannot be fired unless they did something illegal or unethical.

>>1055207
>Is it funded?

If only. We don't actually have a solid price estimate or ridership figures all we have are guesses. Currently the best guess for the DRL is around 5-8 Billion plus an extra 2-3 Billion to get it to Don Mills and Sheppard. Ridership numbers are also a bit hazy since the only number I have ever seen was 25,000 pp/h, but that was only if the line went to Don Mills. To put that number in perspective the YUS currently moves about 36,000 pp/h and the BD about 28,000 pp/h

>>1055296
>but that was only if the line went to Don Mills
Then nobody would need to use the Shepard subway

>>1055320
People don't use the Sheppard subway currently

>>1055320
Well the DRL has to go to Don Mills since ending it at Pape only gets rid of the bottle neck at Yonge, it does nothing to actually fix the overcrowding on the YUS since that starts further north. Running it up to Don Mills would allow the DRL to intercept passengers on coming from the east the Crosstown and those who use the Sheppard line to get to the YUS. The span of the Sheppard Line from Don Mills to Sheppard is effectively useless both with the DRL and without it, building the DRL to Sheppard will just exasperate the point.

However the Sheppard line won't be 100% useless since from an operations perspective it would link the YUS, and DRL together so the TTC at least would find it to be a useful means for transferring equipment between the lines.

The DRL is not conceptualized to have a link between Sheppard line and Don Mills line. DRL trains would be run out of greenwood or a newly built yard somewhere along the line

Do streetcars & buses have something that holds the light at green?
I see it a lot at sherbourne & carlton

>>1055435
nah the drivers just have good timing

>>1055412
A new yard would have to be built since Greenwood can't maintain any vehicles beyond the T1. The TTC has known this since they purchased the TR's but in typical Toronto fashion we have kicked this can down the road and with the T1 retirement starting sometime between 2022-2025 something needs to be done. This is why Wilson was expanded and renovated; however Greenwood can't be enlarged due to lack of available space, so once the TR's make their way down to the BD Greenwood will serves a purpose similar to Davisville; just storage and basic maintenance.

I can see the Queen-Pape version of the DRL having it's trains stored at Greenwood even though space will be incredibly tight but shout the DRL ever move north to Sheppard a new yard would have to be built, but the question is where?

>>1055412
>The DRL is not conceptualized to have a link between Sheppard line and Don Mills line. DRL trains would be run out of greenwood or a newly built yard somewhere along the line
Will there be a wye at pape?

>>1055710
There would have to be, but I cannot imagine how big of a bitch it will be to build it.

>>1055718
One of the many obstacles with the current if any planning happening for this line

>>1053534
while I agree with his views on Israel this guys a moron he really needs to take some basic economics classes

>>1054925
french private high schools are cheaper I reckon. try Collège de Montréal, Collège Brébeuf, Pensionnat du Saint-Nom-de-Marie (girls only).

Tons of anglophone parents send their kid to french private high schools so they learn the language.

Just the thread I was looking for. I'm going to be spending a couple of days in the GTA, more specifically around he the Queen St. area (downtown?) and I was wondering what a good way to get around would be.

>>1055927
Queen and what intersection? Where do you want to go?

>>1055927
In the downtown area street cars wil take you pretty much anywhere relevant, or within walking distance of anything relevant. The subway system is kind of sparse and mostly serves asva commuter service
Where are you from

Test

So there are tracks on Adelaide that go almost to York and there's no overhead wires along them or wye at york

But* there is a wye at Victoria, East of yonge and there are overhead wires above Victoria.

What's going on here?

>>1055957
I'll be staying in a hostel at 966 Danforth and visiting The Great Hall at 1087 Queen St. W for a concert.
>>1055960
Thunder Bay, Ontario.

>>1056058
>Thunder Bay, Ontario.
hey friend, I just got into lakehead for law school. Tell me about Thunderbay, how's the transit system there? This is important for me because I don't drive.

Also you're in the thick of Greek town. I was over there recently and it's a nice area, not sketchy or anything. Really close to Pape station on the subway line which is good. You're kind of far from the concert though, about 35min from transit. What you'l want to do is take the subway West to Ossington station and get the 63 bus south and get off at Queen street. There are lots of ways to get back to the subway once you're down there, including taking the king or queen street car back west toward University avenue. I recommend buying tokens; no point in using the Presto card because it's $5 just for the card. But pretty much your hostel is in a cool area and there's lots of transit options around where the concert hall is.

Are you flying into Pearson or Billy Bishop airport?

>>1056059
>back west toward University avenue
oops, i mean back East

>>1056059
Thunder Bay is alright. There isn't too much to do, but we've a fair share of restaurants and bars to check out, but we've yearly visit by the CLE. If you're into music there's always Bluesfest at the Marina (but I think it's kind of lame) and a really cool record store nearby, which will sometimes host its own events.
As far as public transport is concerned, I'm pretty sure we get our buses second hand from Toronto. There are two actual terminals, one by city hall, the other by the Marina. The college, mall and university also act pretty much as terminals, too. So you won't have much of an issue getting to the LU. Routes are pretty extensive, you're likely to get wherever you're going just by bus. The only thing that might be a problem is that the hospital is quite out of the way, and I'm not sure if buses go that far out.
If you want, you can get routes and schedules here: http://www.thunderbay.ca/Living/Getting_Around/Thunder_Bay_Transit/Maps___Schedules.htm

I'm getting to Toronto by car, but I'll be flying out at Pearson.

>>1056078
Thanks for the info
You ditching your car in Toronto or is somebody else driving?
UP express is top tier to get to the airport from downtown too.

How long are you in town?

>>1056080
I'm catching a ride with some friends in May, we'll be getting there on the 26th and they'll be ditching me on the 29th which is why I'm flying home on the 1st of June. So I'll be staying for a week.

>>1056083
Weather will be nice by then; good walking around weather
The CN tower is kind of expensive but if it's a nice day it's worth going up

>>1056083
http://www.citypass.com/toronto

>>1056106
This is worth it for the CN tower and aquarium alone

A car got hit by a go train on the Barrie line

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-explore-the-1930s-system-that-directs-trains-through-torontos-union-station/article34294467

>>1056311
jesus fucking christ. No wonder they're always "Waiting for a signal" and bullshit like that

>>1056178
Good.

>>1054925
If the HSR actually builds the LRT then nobody will be able to afford to take the fucking bus because they'll just jack up the price again.

>picture is 2-way LRT on a one-way street

fucking brilliant.

>>1051367
>>>1055435
>nah the drivers just have good timing
Kek
They have priority signaling

>>1052340
It still pisses me off the loop wasn't expanded when they closed Queens Quay for two years. Even today the platform is way too small for the traffic it gets.

>>1056538
iirc back when the work was being done to expand Union expanding the streetcar loop was supposed to happen as well but the city cut funding to that part of the project. I believe this is also why the 514 only goes as far as Cherry since that was also intended to travel down Queens Quay East to Union.

>>1056543
the Province owns Union Station; all the reno and expansion is paid for by metro linx

I live in Peterborough, the bust arrives every 40 minutes....HELP

On the bright side, a 1 month bus pass is only $60

>>1056590
In Oakville buses are every 30min. It's only useful for getting to the Go station too

>>1056590
>only 60$
>only

m8 it's 66€ per month for the all included card in the whole Paris region. you muricans are getting ripped off

>>1056674
Peterborough is in a semi rural part of Ontario not the US.

But yeah, our public transit isn't as subsidized as it is in Europe.

it irks me when streetcar drivers open all the doors at once if they don't have to

>>1057156
Literally autism right there

>>1057323
>>1057156

If you're browsing /n/ there's a good chance both of you have autism

Ride trains with me

>>1057414
you asked me to ride streetcars in the last thread and didn't respond

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Fuck this city
content://media/external/file/25549

>>1057457
Oops

www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/20/subway-not-old-lrt-plan-only-option-for-scarborough-colle.html

>>1057440
I wanna ride streetcars. I wanna do the college car from end to end next.

>>1057440
[email protected]

>>1057479
fuck off, I won't be fooled again

>>1057474
okey I'm bout it

>>1057482
man... just this one time

I'll take you behind the scenes at the imax downtown.. come on!

>>1057498
This is not me, fuck off

>>1057482
I never got your email

The Scarborough subway is the dumbest fucking idea

>Rob Ford "we gonna dig to Scarborough and have 4 stops.
>Province and feds set aside money for subway
>Tory omg too expensive let's get rid of all the stations
>still like $3billion but lets build it because it's the right thing to do
What a bunch of pork barrel politics. Fucking nuke Scarborough and forget about it

>>1057542
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/transit-plan-frustration-1.4034030

>>1057563
I listened to that this morning

Wtf is going on between platform 7 and 10 at Union?

From Montreal, I went there last september.

Honestly the kensington market is really nice, tons of good spots to eat, good cafes, etc.

I walked a lot on College, Dundas and Queen west of Spadina and it was pretty nice, theres a lot of things to do there.

If you like record shopping its the best city as well.
Overall it was pretty cool. The only retarded thing tho is that the metro is fucking far from everything relevant...
So you'll have to walk or take the trams which is fine I guess.

>>1057704
>The only retarded thing tho is that the metro is fucking far from everything relevant..
The metro/subway is literally just a commuter service to get into and out of downtown. Streetcars or buses are necessary to get to most attractions.

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TTC produced a concept map for bus route changes should the Scarborough Subway be built.

>>1057828
Nuke the subway build the lrt!

What other metropolitan cities have light rail.

There should be a Go station at Ford Drive or Winston Churchill on the lakeshore West line. Then redevelop half the massive parking lot at Oakville station into retail and residential. That would become a super dense transit focused neighbourhood 40min by Go train from downtown

>>1057474
Do queen(501) more interesting. I live pretty much at Dundas and college intersection, College more "scenic", and Dundas is faster

>>1058102
Queen car is under construction for most of it. Plus I've done most of Queen before, never end to end though. I wanna do College end to end, maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

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really makes you think eh
I fucking hate tory and those doorknob councilors

>>1058412
It's because "it's the right thing to do"
I honestly don't think the subway will get dug.

>>1058421
especially once it inevitably passes $4 billion

>>1058412

Crawl back to /r/toronto you ... joking aside, would this whole Scarborough transit brewhaha be prevented IFF the Bloor-Danforth subway extended to Scarborough Town Centre in the 80s instead of having the Scarborough RT forced onto us by Premier Davis?

>ICTS Mark I was a mistake

>>1058451
how much did the subway cost at the time?

not the poster of the map but I wonder many of us /r/toronto here

>>1058451
It probably would have been avoided had the subway gone to STC at the time, but its a bad idea today even with all the new development up their so doing it back then when it was nothing by fields would have been even worse. Sure you could argue it would have spurred development back then which may be true but at the same time Scarborough has always been anti-gentrification preferring to stay a "sleepy" suburb, you can see this by the total lack of density around Kennedy which is now the 3rd most used station in the system and will be the terminus point of 3 lines in 2021.

North York really is the only suburb that took advantage of its Subway lines and densified. If the subway was built in the 80's than I wonder if the Etobicoke RT would have been built as well since it was the Province and Scarborough that killed it.

>>1058451
It would be avoided if sheppard went to stc

That satisfies Scarborough and north York

>>1058457
There's even more high density housing going up around Leslie Station on the sheppard line too.

Imho and we've have this discussion in other threads; the Finch LRT should be carried down Allen Road then east along Sheppard, then INTO the subway tunnel; replace the subway with LRT, then carry the LRT along the surface east of Don Mills over to STC.

That way there would be a single transit line crossing pretty much the entire north end of the city and it would give Scarberians another access point to Yonge street while better utilizing the Sheppard tunnels

>>1058457

Fair point, maybe I should go to the City of Toronto Archives at some point to look up on how Scarborough "developed" throughout the times

>>1058463

>Replace the Sheppard Subway with LRT

Would that be technically and financially feasible at this point? You would have to convert way a lot of things (power delivery, platforms, re-gauge the tracks, etc.) just to make it match the LRT specs, and that's if the tunnel can fit the overhead catenaries

>>1058472
You can't convert the Sheppard subway for LRT. What a damn shame

>>1058472
I don't think it could be done on a financial bases alone. The Sheppard Line is effectively a trap where it is to expensive to extend it, but also to expensive to shut it down (or in this case convert it).

>>1051367
has anyone here biked the stretch of victoria park between like Lawrence/Danforth? the gatineau trail ends over there and whenever I get downtown I'll probably need to ride it. Is it very busy with traffic or cycle friendly at all? Are there any alternate ways so I could avoid it altogether? I'm fine with smaller roads.

>>1058519
Not cycle friendly but maybe doable outside rush hour. There is slightly less traffic on Pharmacy and you can take Dawes between St Clair and Danforth but cycling on the road in the suburbs is pretty much always hellish

>>1058520
are there any trails that can get me to taylor massey creek or dawes though? pharmacy still has buses, to my knowledge, but does it have them at that stretch?

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Why does this exist?

>>1058583
People live in York region

>>1052484
Did this last year, pretty nice ride desu

>>1058453 used to be /r/toronto but the place was modded to oblivion and it's a hugbox now.

When does the 504 get the new streetcars?

>>1058944
Whenever they decide to send an unscheduled run. It's very rare but I've seen it once last Sunday

>>1058952
I've yet to see one on roncesvalles

>>1058646


"""people"""

Anyone outside of the downtown core sucks.

>>1058962
No one cares about roncy. East side for life holmes

>>1058453
>>1058660

I post there but you get downvoted for any comment. I got downvoted for saying the vast majority of police do a good job and we shouldn't fall for the BLM + media scam that they are bad people.

I got -15 karma for that.

Here is word for word what I said: The police do a good job in Canada, why does the media have to hop on the BLM police suck train?

>>1059132
lmao you must not have been there when BLM crashed Pride and demanded no more police floats in the parade. Every poster and article submitted was vehemently anti-BLM and calling them out for being idiots, and I saw Star articles condemning BLM upboated to the 100s.

Personally from what I've seen on /r/toronto most posters there are pro BLM's message but hate the group for being retarded radicals who can't moderate their positions or calls for shit.

Have you niggers heard of "Lower Bay station"? Apparently there's an unused station under bay station and it's on a line that connects the Spadina/university section to Wellesley station

>>1058474
What about high-floor LRT like they have in Calgary? There would still be a platform height difference in the existing stations, but less than a low-floor LRT. Then they could extend the line east and west with no transfer if they used high level platforms for street running. Is that such a crazy idea?

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>>1059171
Here was the old map

>>1059171
you're in /n/. of course we have

>niggers
how's 11th grade and that failed summative treating you?

>>1059175
They've already ordered the vehicles

>>1058474
You can it would just be a total retrofit at each station.

How deep is don mills station? It seems pretty fucking deep when down there, like 2 long escalators up to the surface

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>>1059171
ya a lot of movies and stuff are filmed in there

>>1056311
holy shit thats so dope. I really hope this winds up in a museum somewhere. I would love to see it up close

Metrolinx should have executive authority over transit across the province
Hamilton is now voting against the lrt

>>1059333
>Metrolinx should have executive authority over transit across the province

The problem here is Metrolinx has proven to not exactly be the smartest group of people; not to mention they have shown they have literally no concept of "local transit".

>>1059338
they're also extremely secretive in their planning/methadology and have rolled out two disasters with UPX and Presto

anyone watching the exec council meeting on the subway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TyvDiiHoc

>>1059338
We need an Ontario transit Tzar

>>1059341
Presto isnt a disaster

>>1059341
Their most recent reports on SmartTrack and GO RER are no different. They do all the standard government agency things like leaving out key information, purposely vague information, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they fudge the numbers in places.

>>1051367
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scarborough-subway-city-council-debate-1.4043821

wew

>tfw I'll be able to get downtown faster by public transit than many parts of scarberia with the subway extension only

When are we going to build the wall along Victoria Park avenue to keep Scarborough out of Toronto?

>>1059415
Never. The Conservatives made sure of that in 98.

>>1059414
GO train is elite

>>1059414
haha I don't even take the GO train or bus. I live in Markham/Ellesmere, which means subway or LRT I'm not screwed either way except for if I need to do stuff in Scarborough, which rarely happens since my family are Asians and therefore by default cagers I can hitch a ride off of. I see what you mean though

>>1059427
>>1059432
meant to reply to (you)

here's your (you)

>>1059415
I'll happily sell this idea to my all neighbours if you can guarantee me a place in the Annex, if not Leslieville's a fine compromise

What's the oldest piece of rolling stock still used by the TTC?

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>>1059414

>>1059440
Prob the clrvs

>>1059441
I VOTED FOR THIS MAN FUCK I WANT TO GO BACK TO 2014 AND KICK MY OWN ASS

>>1059452
I think many of us did, myself included. The threat of 4 more years of Ford was just to much.

>tfw David Socknaki will never be mayor

>>1059452
Le smart track meme

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You know the plan is shit when the village idiot Mammoliti votes against it.

>>1059555
Village idiot's plan is to extend the Sheppard subway to STC

>>1059589
Convert it to LRT! Just excavate the station platforms and get longer escalators and elevators
Maybe couple a hundo million to convert the 4 stations
Another half billion to bring the tunnel to the surface at don mills

>>1059442
No heritage pre-WWII rolling stock, then?

>>1059619
Well we do still have a PCC and a Peter Witt car but the PCC is only used in the summer and the Witt car is only used during parades.

>>1059619
not in service I don't think. I think there are some 1950's screet car on display somewhere

>>1059621
are the PCCs in service? I don't remember ever seeing them downtown

>>1059625
We only have 1 and iirc it only runs on Sunday's on the 510 Spadina from the end of May to Labour Day.

Also to add onto what >>1059442 said; the CLRV's are the oldest rolling stock you can still ride daily however our H4 Subway trains are older since they were introduced in 1974 but you can't ride them since they are maintenance trains now.

Why is TTC gauge different than 4'8.5"?

>>1059670
Because a million years ago when the first lines were built the city voted on a different gauge because they didn't want freight trains driving down main streets.

Remember streetcars are older than automobile

Guys we can charter a streetcar for $1600 for 3 hours

That could easily cross the city, who's in with me?

>>1059709
yes

>>1059710
If i can get at least 10 people I'd be willing to spend $160 to do it. Ironically we'd prob find more people on Reddit

I think we can plan our own route too

Without Queen street thought there's no length of track connecting much forget east than the Don river though.

It would be cool to start at a western or eastern terminus and plan our trip from there

>>1059713
sounds cool. >>1059709
>>1059710

>>1059709
I'd kick in $200, but not with a bunch of randomers off the internet.

>>1060073
I'm normal

>>1060073
I'll get a little sloshed so I won't be autisically quiet

>>1060189
Same

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ITT: people who love Toronto

Anyone else avoid using GO even if it is superior to local transit agencies? Like I live in Oakville but if I'm going to Toronto I prefer taking the bus to Mississauga and then from Mississauga I go with MiWay route 1/101 to Islington and then the subway from there to wherever I need to go. It's 2x slower than taking the GO train but it's also a 2x cheaper journey. And either way I need to take a bus to get to the GO station so might as well use that one bus fare just to get to Islington

>>1060286
I graduated from Iroquois in 2009.

Also that's super autistic and GO is top tier

>>1060291
Oh I know it's autistic but it's not totally impractical. I read about some guys from Hamilton doing the same thing which is an entire 4 hour journey just one way so I'm not that bad

I graduated from WOSS in 2014

>>1060293
Oakville subsizes the bus if you take GO anyway

The bus is only 70 cents if you change from GO and the train is like $2 cheaper if transfering from a bus

>>1060286
You're a fucking retard

>>1060286
I fucking hate the bus. I live next to a commuter train station, and a bus terminus, and there are two bus lines that come every 5 minutest that take me to the metro or the train that takes me directly downtown. The train is far superior, if more expensive

>>1057542

Outsider from New England here: Don't make the mistakes we Americans have, catering to these faggoty suburbs. They will never provide the ridership and density necessary for transit to succeed, fuck 'em. Ram a streetcar down Scarborough's throat if you must, but LRT or subway are both memes, because as far as I can tell Scarborough is a low-density suburb that will NOT provide the necessary ridership for a subway, or if it does it will cost so much to make that it will strangle future expansion in any form for other parts of the network. Boston learned this the hard way catering to the Quincy assholes in the 80's with the red line extension.

>>1060395
Our city politics is really corrupt and any decision about transit is based on re-election not logic.
The issue with Scarborough is there is a low capacity rapid transit line through the area now that operates close to capacity, except it will soon be past it's service life. The whole debate is whether to rebuild the transit line with an LRT or instead, connect one of our main subway lines to Scarborough and make it a transit hub with lots of bus service.
The subway idea has fewer stops than the current transit line and it will cost like 4billion but all the politicians are set on it because "it's the right thing to do"

>>1060395
LRT isn't actually as much of a meme though because Scarborough has enough bus/RT riders to actually justify that (population of Scarborough is 632,000+ at this point and the density of Scarborough is actually higher than some American cities that have rapid transit networks, like Baltimore), and if we build an LRT over the subway we'd still have money left over to create one component of an LRT network in Scarborough with the Eglinton East extension (and possibly the Sheppard East LRT as well if we can slot budgeting for it), and there's still a stipulation that guarantees the province might fund a lot of said LRT. A lot of ground in Scarberia (which is gentrifying and denser in parts such as near STC or areas near where the RT/Eglinton Crosstown LRT is in the future) would actually be covered by this as opposed to the stub of a subway that only goes into STC (where most buses take an eternity to get to already)

But Ford already brainwashed the cagers and we're basically the Staten Island of the city, amalgation was a mistake desu. Even in the densest part of Scarberia where there are highrises and skyscrapers, there isn't close to enough density to justify a subway

Scarberia's also too big an unsuited for streetcars too.

>t. scarberian who hates this place

>>1060404
also you should point out the tunnel is 6km to get to one single stop. no other city in the world would willingly do this, the only other cities that have done it were impeded by something like a forest that needed preservation or a bay underneath. It'd shave off like 5-6 minutes off the travel time at most and to actually get to the line might actually take longer due to the elimination of some stops on the old RT and the fact that routes that used to go elsewhere will now be routed into STC, making the trip lengths longer in duration and length and potentially clogging up roads that go into STC

it is as mind bogglingly retarded as it sounds, especially when you consider the DRL should have first priority and we have a $31 billion infrastructure backlog

>>1060441
Is there a cost estimate for the drl?

>>1060445
tooooooooo much
look at the pdf posted here >>1055000

>>1060446
Ironically the province and feds will put more money into the Scarborough extension.

Why can't they just run the subway on the surface?

>>1060490
What would the point be of having an above ground tunnel? Sure you'd be able to operate in all sorts of weather, but you generally already can with most forms of LRT's.

>>1060522
I mean run it on the surfaces along the route of the RT
Surface the subway north of Kennedy

>>1060526
Why bother?

>>1060542
To save billions of dollars by not tunneling it

>>1060526
They really can't since it would interfere with the GO RER plans.

>>1060581
Rer is expanding the line over the SRT?

>>1060404

>politicians are just set on it

I'm 100% convinced that elected officials purposefully fuck up transit projects just as a way to prevent future opponents from creating pork barrel spending. Public transit was a mistake, bring back the private companies. If the TTC were still private but receiving subsidies, they'd have told these idiots to shove it ages ago.

>>1051367
I went to Toronto once! really liked it. If I ever have to leave murrika I think id head there

>>1060667
Why'd you come here? Just to visit?

>>1060650
Yea Metrolinx is planning on double tracking the Stouville corridor for all day local/express service so they need the space. Currently the plan is to double track the corridor but to run an express service I assume they will want to add a third track at some point as well.

>>1060669
I came to Toronto to drink legally there since the age is 19, it was a weird place. Spent an hour looking for a liquor store and finally found it in a fucking underground city.

>>1060730
Are you me? I literally did the exact same thing when I was 19, including the running around and finding the LCBO in the underground city.

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>>1060730
The Path is wicked if you know your way around. I can think of 3 liquor stores within a 10min walk of Union Station down there. There are some condominium buildings that connect to it so you could quite literally never go outside and still have access to groceries booze and entertainment

>>1060556
You're not really saving any money if you have to rebuild the entire guide way and regauge the tracks and rebuild the platforms (if not entire stations)

>>1060763
Yes, on the surface. Tunneling is what is so expensive>>1060763

>>1060769
The cost is going to be the same whether you go under or above grade with heavy rail. I'd just scrap it and go with the LRT, you'd still have to probably tunnel under the Stouffville corridor as they'd want to triple track that shit

>>1060770
>The cost is going to be the same whether you go under or above grade with heavy rail
No it won't be you idiotn tunneling is the most expensive part of a fucking subway, the track work is peanuts

>>1060775
Sure aboveground is far cheaper but I think your missing the point that the building in the current RT corridor still wouldn't be cheap since a new subway platform would need to be built at Kennedy and GO RER plans make it near impossible for the two lines to co-exist above ground in the corridor.

>>1060781
Why not just nuke Scarborough

>>1060790
That would be too easy

>>1060775
You're the idiot, the entire above grade guide way would need to be rebuilt to accommodate subway cars

>>1060806
>the entire above grade guide way would need to be rebuilt to accommodate subway cars
Yes and the whole point is the space is there and it wouldn't need to be tunneled

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>>1060808

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Vision for Pearson transit hub. Very costly.

>>1061002
Current
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Toronto+Pearson+International+Airport/@43.6977576,-79.6180448,715a,35y,154.88h,67.61t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb41d5de9c4030ec5!8m2!3d43.6777176!4d-79.6248197

>>1061002
At least the feds would pay for most of it

>>1061011
Not if they sell it off

>>1061002
will a pearson transit hub include trains other than the UP express?

>>1061071
The Eglinton Crosstown would stop there and maybe the Finch West LRT as well.

>>1061078
but not via or anything relevant like that

>>1061094
No the only other potential line beyond the EC, FW, and UP would be a proposed High-Speed line from Union to Kitchener.

>>1061095
>High-Speed line from Union to Kitchener.
why would this exist?

Do we need a new thread?

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>>1061485
here's your op

>>1061179
it was promised during the 2014 provincial election

NEW THREAD:

>>1062078
>>1062078
>>1062078